Gregorian24

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Jul 24, 2020
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Something's broke, ALT+ENTER does not makes it full screen, but i do enjoy the improvements done to the HUD.
Nevermind, i just recalled that F11 can do the trick.
Using tools like lossless scaling will help quite a lot if you can't stand with these pixelated art.
 
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Eterai

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Feb 26, 2020
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So I'm doing something wrong because after 3 attempts I didn't get past day 33 in fantasy :c
Is day 33 the one where you have to promote the guild's business and get Farmer's Ending if you fail? If so, then you have to get the cooking skill and don't cook dinner, make your imouto cook. A new scene should occur, meaning you've successfully triggered the event.
 

ーはかせ

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Sep 25, 2021
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It's being published by Kagura, who are known for localizing games. Don't worry, they aren't going to steal your scuffed MTL.
Don't talk to me about stealing on a website that is essentially a bunch of pirated games.
Even if they do steal fan translations, I'd wager that they still have standards, and a full on MTL just ain't it, chief.
You seem very misinformed. People who mod games typically have zero rights, and the idea that Shade is considering to add DRM to his pirated game with an MTL mod baked in is peak asinine.
I'm usually not the type to keep unearthing past discussions but I've had very limited time to keep track of these threads lately, so I'll speak my mind.

What is wrong with you froggybob12? I'm gonna keep it a buck, it is simply lovely for someone to come in this thread of all places to accuse F95 of being "essentially" all piracy, completely ignoring the hundreds of pages of people discussing and working to translate, mod and add to the original. Especially coming from someone who actively uploaded versions of the original game in the thread and has posted himself using Shades translation. Seems interesting to me how it just looks like you upload the game here seemingly so someone, for free, out of their own will, will provide you, a "scuffed MTL" to play. You don't need a translation to play the game? Then wtf are you doing here besides being a troll?

Judging people's contributions like that without really contributing much, a complete lack of awareness of what this community actually is while coming across as this forum being just a piracy source for you instead, but more importantly, causing the discussion to derail from the steam release to simply a morals discussion... I'd rather see double the amount of askers in this thread during release time. Please stop this troll act before moderation comes.


Also, sending love to Shades who sacrificed too much for such ungratefulness. Maybe I'll launch the translator++ here and make a "full on scuffed MTL" version for his dumb ass to revel in.

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Daseson

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I'm usually not the type to keep unearthing past discussions but I've had very limited time to keep track of these threads lately, so I'll speak my mind.

What is wrong with you froggybob12? I'm gonna keep it a buck, it is simply lovely for someone to come in this thread of all places to accuse F95 of being "essentially" all piracy, completely ignoring the hundreds of pages of people discussing and working to translate, mod and add to the original. Especially coming from someone who actively uploaded versions of the original game in the thread and has posted himself using Shades translation. Seems interesting to me how it just looks like you upload the game here seemingly so someone, for free, out of their own will, will provide you, a "scuffed MTL" to play. You don't need a translation to play the game? Then wtf are you doing here besides being a troll?

Judging people's contributions like that without really contributing much, a complete lack of awareness of what this community actually is while coming across as this forum being just a piracy source for you instead, but more importantly, causing the discussion to derail from the steam release to simply a morals discussion... I'd rather see double the amount of askers in this thread during release time. Please stop this troll act before moderation comes.


Also, sending love to Shades who sacrificed too much for such ungratefulness. Maybe I'll launch the translator++ here and make a "full on scuffed MTL" version for his dumb ass to revel in.

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I see that this does not only happen to me, how sad it is to see this type of comments like those of froggybob12.

How right there is in your words ーはかせ, I imagine that Froggy does not know the amount of time Shade has had to invest to translate this game that to top it off has RNG parts which is terrifying for everyone who has worked on things like this, I lived it from first hand when I wanted to color the cowgirl position in my mod, you have to try and try until you get what you want.

Regarding piracy, I am sure that 80% of the people who found out about this game was because they downloaded it from a "pirate" page and of that 80% at least 40% - 60% bought the game on dlsite and will also buy on steam just to support the creator, piracy is not only a method to get free games but also a method of advertising for it.

I will never be able to understand why the goal of some people is simply to detract from the work of others :confused: .
 

solarboy2011

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Mar 16, 2019
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nice to see the game got updated some new stuff love it, one of the high quality game I ever played. Gonna do full replay again, hope decensor + color mod get updated (if any) ;) also if there some other mods for this game plz recommend to me
 

BlueFireNick

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Apr 14, 2019
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nice to see the game got updated some new stuff love it, one of the high quality game I ever played. Gonna do full replay again, hope decensor + color mod get updated (if any) ;) also if there some other mods for this game plz recommend to me
There's my FFFox mod. Currently, it adds several scenes, improves a bit of the sex scene translations, and adds a bit of QoL features. Still planning to add more as well. The mod page for it is over here: https://f95zone.to/threads/imouto-life-fantasy-fffox-mod.164340/
 

Icetea-Lemon18

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Feb 16, 2022
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The mere fact that we download games from this website means we're all guilty of piracy. So if they decides to steal and upgrade ones work in here then I guess we should just be grateful since im pretty sure they wont just copy paste it, they would add some effort into it hence another thing to be grateful for.
 

Bonbon7778

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How enter new game plus? I just done with main story they say and continue? Is there more story here or something?

And I can't find hot springs where?
 

n3k0f4n

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Oct 26, 2017
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I see that this does not only happen to me, how sad it is to see this type of comments like those of froggybob12.

How right there is in your words ーはかせ, I imagine that Froggy does not know the amount of time Shade has had to invest to translate this game that to top it off has RNG parts which is terrifying for everyone who has worked on things like this, I lived it from first hand when I wanted to color the cowgirl position in my mod, you have to try and try until you get what you want.

Regarding piracy, I am sure that 80% of the people who found out about this game was because they downloaded it from a "pirate" page and of that 80% at least 40% - 60% bought the game on dlsite and will also buy on steam just to support the creator, piracy is not only a method to get free games but also a method of advertising for it.

I will never be able to understand why the goal of some people is simply to detract from the work of others :confused: .
There is no question that froggy chose his words poorly and i can understand your frustration about such behaviour, but unfortunately he isn't that wrong. While Shades put a lot of work into this project and i respect him for doing that, it's still an edited MTL and Kagura Games doesn't use these for their works.

And regarding piracy. Of course it would be nice if your estimation was correct, but the truth seems different. At least if the source is to be believed. Because according to the developer of Goodbye Eternity, who recently published a devlog, stated that 93% of the copies of his game were obtained illegally. So only 7% of the people legally support his game. (source: ) That probably applies to other works as well, for the most part.
 

torresm

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There is no question that froggy chose his words poorly and i can understand your frustration about such behaviour, but unfortunately he isn't that wrong. While Shades put a lot of work into this project and i respect him for doing that, it's still an edited MTL and Kagura Games doesn't use these for their works.

And regarding piracy. Of course it would be nice if your estimation was correct, but the truth seems different. At least if the source is to be believed. Because according to the developer of Goodbye Eternity, who recently published a devlog, stated that 93% of the copies of his game were obtained illegally. So only 7% of the people legally support his game. (source: ) That probably applies to other works as well, for the most part.
I wonder where those numbers came from, though... If they're collecting data from every copy ever ran and comparing it to sales numbers, wouldn't people who download it from places like F95, play for a bit then delete it afterwards, end up inflating those numbers?

I also find it a bit weird that they're reconsidering the future of their game because of piracy, while their Patreon seems to be raking in some nice dollar, but that's beside the point...

EDIT: this image is misleading, it's actually around $13k USD, which is still quite good!

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ーはかせ

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I wonder where those numbers came from, though... If they're collecting data from every copy ever ran and comparing it to sales numbers, wouldn't people who download it from places like F95, play for a bit then delete it afterwards, end up inflating those numbers?

I also find it a bit weird that they're reconsidering the future of their game because of piracy, while their Patreon seems to be raking in some nice dollar, but that's beside the point...

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Is it that common for devs to include that kind of analytics in the game code? Seems to me a bit strange/intrusive for an early access indie vn. I also very much doubt that even half the people who downloaded this game from somewhere other tham itch.io even knew it existed before.


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n3k0f4n

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I wonder where those numbers came from, though... If they're collecting data from every copy ever ran and comparing it to sales numbers, wouldn't people who download it from places like F95, play for a bit then delete it afterwards, end up inflating those numbers?

I also find it a bit weird that they're reconsidering the future of their game because of piracy, while their Patreon seems to be raking in some nice dollar, but that's beside the point...

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Honestly, I'm wondering that too, but that was the only thing that came to my mind related to piracy in adult gaming, which is why I wanted to mention it.
 

DoodlesTheBob

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Is it that common for devs to include that kind of analytics in the game code? Seems to me a bit strange/intrusive for an early access indie vn. I also very much doubt that even half the people who downloaded this game from somewhere other tham itch.io even knew it existed before.


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Speaking as someone that started and left game dev between 2010 and 2020. Yes. Very heavy analytics are common in any sort of title because there are now 3rd party plugins made for unity and unreal which will trivialize the implementation of such and it is childs play to link it up to a microsoft azure or cloudfront AWS backend. Since most modern windows PCs are already making call-outs to AWS or azure, the end user wont even see anything unusual about it in their network traffic.

Unity just came up with an in-house solution, even.

You can learn a lot of things that are useful to making games better through these tools. Change your UI/UX for the inventory system? You can literally get hard data on if players are spending more or less time in your game menus instead of playing the game. Wanna see how long people are staring at the tool-tip for a core ability because you are worried that your wording isn't clear or intuitive? It can tell you that too.

As far as the fact that piracy helps spread awareness. I'm over 40. I'd agree with that sentiment in 1990. Even in the 00s and 10s. Now it is the internet age. You can watch anime girls playing all the indie games you've never seen before. You have dozens of review channels on youtube, lets-play videos, let's break the game videos, let's be the world best hardcore players on twitch, etc. There is even hentai game reviews on the porn sites.

Saying pirates pay game developers with attention, when it is never been easier to get said attention, is a bit like telling an artist that they should be happy to work for free because it'll give them lots of exposure. If you would think someone is an entitled ass for saying "I'll spread the word about you, so give it to me free." the logic is only 1 step removed from "I'll spread the word, by the way, I'm not giving you an option."

I'm cool with piracy as I said before, however, I'm not going to convince myself it's a moral gray or that it stands to benefit the original creator to a large degree. It's offering them the artist no pay exposure deal without the right to refuse that an artist has.
 

ーはかせ

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Speaking as someone that started and left game dev between 2010 and 2020. Yes. Very heavy analytics are common in any sort of title because there are now 3rd party plugins made for unity and unreal which will trivialize the implementation of such and it is childs play to link it up to a microsoft azure or cloudfront AWS backend. Since most modern windows PCs are already making call-outs to AWS or azure, the end user wont even see anything unusual about it in their network traffic.

Unity just came up with an in-house solution, even.

You can learn a lot of things that are useful to making games better through these tools. Change your UI/UX for the inventory system? You can literally get hard data on if players are spending more or less time in your game menus instead of playing the game. Wanna see how long people are staring at the tool-tip for a core ability because you are worried that your wording isn't clear or intuitive? It can tell you that too.

As far as the fact that piracy helps spread awareness. I'm over 40. I'd agree with that sentiment in 1990. Even in the 00s and 10s. Now it is the internet age. You can watch anime girls playing all the indie games you've never seen before. You have dozens of review channels on youtube, lets-play videos, let's break the game videos, let's be the world best hardcore players on twitch, etc. There is even hentai game reviews on the porn sites.

Saying pirates pay game developers with attention, when it is never been easier to get said attention, is a bit like telling an artist that they should be happy to work for free because it'll give them lots of exposure. If you would think someone is an entitled ass for saying "I'll spread the word about you, so give it to me free." the logic is only 1 step removed from "I'll spread the word, by the way, I'm not giving you an option."

I'm cool with piracy as I said before, however, I'm not going to convince myself it's a moral gray or that it stands to benefit the original creator to a large degree. It's offering them the artist no pay exposure deal without the right to refuse that an artist has.
That's very interesting! Thanks for sharing (y)

About the awareness, I'm pretty much of the same opinion as you 100%. My line of thought was more about the game's "reach" i guess. It's difficult to explain, but I imagine that in terms of "potential buyers", people who found the game in 3rd party sites and downloaded for free most likely wouldn't ever buy the game if buying was the only option. And in the same way, I imagine that most people who found the game on itch.io didn't go out of their way to play the game without paying. For that reason it's quite sad the dev wasn't able to get the game greenlit on Steam, specially since the game seems very high quality actually. If it was me, I would try arranging a japanese translation of the game (easier said than done, i know) and try reaching a bigger audience selling on DLsite and hbox.
 

DoodlesTheBob

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That's very interesting! Thanks for sharing (y)

About the awareness, I'm pretty much of the same opinion as you 100%. My line of thought was more about the game's "reach" i guess. It's difficult to explain, but I imagine that in terms of "potential buyers", people who found the game in 3rd party sites and downloaded for free most likely wouldn't ever buy the game if buying was the only option. And in the same way, I imagine that most people who found the game on itch.io didn't go out of their way to play the game without paying. For that reason it's quite sad the dev wasn't able to get the game greenlit on Steam, specially since the game seems very high quality actually. If it was me, I would try arranging a japanese translation of the game (easier said than done, i know) and try reaching a bigger audience selling on DLsite and hbox.
Well, I agree with that point too. A lot of big companies will complain about "missed sales."

If piracy was made impossible tomorrow, I'm not going to start buying these games. There's some level of plausible deniability that comes with downloading a game. You can say your wifi was hacked. It was a guest band on your network. A visitor must have done it. Maybe someone hacked amazon sidewalk and used your doorbell to piggyback on your network.

There's no getting around having DLsite charges on your credit card every month. No saving yourself from the bad PR if your steam credentials get exposed in a dataleak and it shows you had 20 or 30 very questionable hentai games. I'm not a missed sale. I'm not going to leave a paper trail of furry vore games behind me.
 
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