Ren'Py Completed Long Live the Princess [v1.0.1] [Belle]

[His Bastardlyness]

I think the Crone is actually either the real Princess Selena, or is the sister and has been cursed, or is hiding her identity by using the shapeshifting magic.

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The serious issue with that persists in regards to the conversation with Thaddeus about that topic. The body was found and funeral rites performed after it fell into the moat. While possible it was Selena that fell into the moat and was actually Lilith that took her place, you still have the body found by personal guards. The behaviors, however, would be difficult to explain when it came to the outbursts and actions after the death. While possible a body switch was done, I doubt it was to the level that you suspect. If anything The Crone's memory may have been a fragment of something else. The largest flaw to that suspicion comes in the body being recovered.

Remove recovery of the body and you have a greater chance. Or possibly a case for Lilith being alive and posing as the sister. Though the prophecies and visions still indicate to something greater afoot.

 

[Belle]

*Eats popcorn*

 

[Evangelion-01]

Thus someone we don't know about, and have yet to have any building toward, is also active inside the realm of this little game. Either someone who managed to go back in time and find the MC to perform the alterations... or someone else that knew what was transpiring and attempted to create a way out.

I think you forget Marek had a vission of the future Events before and apparently prepared the player for what is to come (based on the vission we have of him after getting stabed by the Faery King)... considering his own failing mind he however forgot it himself... or maybe he created that illusion of a failing mind by useing magic to force himself to forget.

The serious issue with that persists in regards to the conversation with Thaddeus about that topic. The body was found and funeral rites performed after it fell into the moat. While possible it was Selena that fell into the moat and was actually Lilith that took her place, you still have the body found by personal guards. The behaviors, however, would be difficult to explain when it came to the outbursts and actions after the death. While possible a body switch was done, I doubt it was to the level that you suspect. If anything The Crone's memory may have been a fragment of something else. The largest flaw to that suspicion comes in the body being recovered.

Remove recovery of the body and you have a greater chance. Or possibly a case for Lilith being alive and posing as the sister. Though the prophecies and visions still indicate to something greater afoot.

But did they find her body? It took days to find something... enough time for the princess to recover a bit and casteing an illusion spell on either a random corpse or object... magic is frowned upon in human society so there probably is no mage at court who could discover such a plot.
And it would certainly help princess Lilith who has to go into hiding to plot the salvation of her sister or the rescue of her people.
A court is a place of sheming... that control spell could have probably been the strongest weapon for anyone attempting to gain political power.

 

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Man i got scared off playing this game for a while now. From all the "NTR not avoidable or not easy to avoid" comments. Is there any weight behind them or am i being jebaited? i really want to try this game but at the same time if its just one big "GET CUCKED" i may just pass on this.

 

[His Bastardlyness]

*Eats popcorn*

Back to work, you!

I think you forget Marek had a vission of the future Events before and apparently prepared the player for what is to come (based on the vission we have of him after getting stabed by the Faery King)... considering his own failing mind he however forgot it himself... or maybe he created that illusion of a failing mind by useing magic to force himself to forget.

But did they find her body? It took days to find something... enough time for the princess to recover a bit and casteing an illusion spell on either a random corpse or object... magic is frowned upon in human society so there probably is no mage at court who could discover such a plot.
And it would certainly help princess Lilith who has to go into hiding to plot the salvation of her sister or the rescue of her people.
A court is a place of sheming... that control spell could have probably been the strongest weapon for anyone attempting to gain political power.

Possibly, but then you'd have to contend with him actually not having a mental lapse in the middle of casting. At the same time, why not create the mental construct and begin instruction once it was complete? It seems a rather foolish gambit to play when one has already invested. I suspect the vision may be a bit of death (MC got better) and speaking via that means. Things Marek has learned. Or in a near death state the construct of Marek's image by another force, which would quite possibly be Lilith, to communicate to the MC. A random woman appearing may not be the best thing to have occur, you know.

As for the body... illusions would be required to be kept up for a prolonged level of time. Plus you'd most likely have Lilith, in that scenario, preparing other things in an attempt to remove said sister from a position of power. Mage-on-mage violence does tend to get messy. Unless you're gunning for a grand conspiracy that involves Marek, his death, and Lilith. But you'd have the crux of explaining away why, in all this time, Lilith did not obtain the book from Marek and utilize a grander plot via illusion to oust the sister.

While such things are possible, I would denote a bit of pragmatism and storytelling flaw from that; the overuse of magic to make scenario's fit. Even the invade mind spell has limits and natural resistances. Thus things like illusions would also have limits. At this point it is all speculation... and our dear Dev may be using it to help further flesh out the story.

Man i got scared off playing this game for a while now. From all the "NTR not avoidable or not easy to avoid" comments. Is there any weight behind them or am i being jebaited? i really want to try this game but at the same time if its just one big "GET CUCKED" i may just pass on this.

As I recall, the scenario of possible NTR always begins with a rather tame situation in which the character is able to interfere and quickly end. Each progressive step allows for the player to continually intervene. While it is honestly outside the structure of the character created by the dev, I have wished I could use that for more leverage against one or both of the other characters. But then again... I am rather Machiavellian in such situations. Why I had a large interest in The Tyrant when I first came across it. But the lack of actual execution on retaliation or utilizing it to one's advantage was never implemented.

 

[Evangelion-01]

As for the body... illusions would be required to be kept up for a prolonged level of time. Plus you'd most likely have Lilith, in that scenario, preparing other things in an attempt to remove said sister from a position of power. Mage-on-mage violence does tend to get messy. Unless you're gunning for a grand conspiracy that involves Marek, his death, and Lilith. But you'd have the crux of explaining away why, in all this time, Lilith did not obtain the book from Marek and utilize a grander plot via illusion to oust the sister.

That would be true if the death was to be investigated... but Thadeus stated that everyone at court was shocked and saddened with those Events... add the future Queens "grieve" they probably hurried to burry the body and as Thadeus said never speak of those Events again... so the illusion didn't have to hold up that long... maybe a day or two.
Mareck is secretly researching magic as we know... Lilith might have contacted him in the past after she learned about that, in order to aquire more skills... most of all that book, but Mareck distrusted her as she would abuse that power, hence refused her.
Maybe Lilith turned to demons in an attempt to gain power... which worked at the start, until she summoned one to gain even more, the Demon posessed the future Queen and in an attempt to silence Lilith made her realise her mistakes... now she is running to the only person she knows who could save her from her blunders... only to learn Mareck died before she could make it... however for some reason she learns about the player and redifines her goals in order to undo what she did.
...this is actually also why I always see parralels to the Warcraft universe... as Medival did something similiar.... or maybe it's the otherway around and I project that story on this one^^

 

[Belle]

At this point it is all speculation... and our dear Dev may be using it to help further flesh out the story.

Nope. I know, in detail, everything that happened in this story already.

Additionally, let me assure you that every motivation among the characters in this game is human. Magic is a tool here, not a goal in itself. In other words, there is no villain shouting "ultimate power!" for no good reason. There is no evil for evil's sake. Any villain(s) in this story will have motivations that should resonate in disturbing ways with a modern audience. Of course, inhuman characters might be different, but I always reach for human motivations in my storyteller's toolbox before anything else.

 

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Back to work, you!



Possibly, but then you'd have to contend with him actually not having a mental lapse in the middle of casting. At the same time, why not create the mental construct and begin instruction once it was complete? It seems a rather foolish gambit to play when one has already invested. I suspect the vision may be a bit of death (MC got better) and speaking via that means. Things Marek has learned. Or in a near death state the construct of Marek's image by another force, which would quite possibly be Lilith, to communicate to the MC. A random woman appearing may not be the best thing to have occur, you know.

As for the body... illusions would be required to be kept up for a prolonged level of time. Plus you'd most likely have Lilith, in that scenario, preparing other things in an attempt to remove said sister from a position of power. Mage-on-mage violence does tend to get messy. Unless you're gunning for a grand conspiracy that involves Marek, his death, and Lilith. But you'd have the crux of explaining away why, in all this time, Lilith did not obtain the book from Marek and utilize a grander plot via illusion to oust the sister.

While such things are possible, I would denote a bit of pragmatism and storytelling flaw from that; the overuse of magic to make scenario's fit. Even the invade mind spell has limits and natural resistances. Thus things like illusions would also have limits. At this point it is all speculation... and our dear Dev may be using it to help further flesh out the story.



As I recall, the scenario of possible NTR always begins with a rather tame situation in which the character is able to interfere and quickly end. Each progressive step allows for the player to continually intervene. While it is honestly outside the structure of the character created by the dev, I have wished I could use that for more leverage against one or both of the other characters. But then again... I am rather Machiavellian in such situations. Why I had a large interest in The Tyrant when I first came across it. But the lack of actual execution on retaliation or utilizing it to one's advantage was never implemented.

Thank you that gives me some courage to play. though i may consult a walkthrough, just so i dont die internally. (NTR is very bad for my mind)

 

[TheDevian]

Yes, I think you are correct. I thought she also mentioned ex lovers at one point too, but I could be wrong.

If you save her, she is still a virgin, if that says anything.

Man i got scared off playing this game for a while now. From all the "NTR not avoidable or not easy to avoid" comments. Is there any weight behind them or am i being jebaited? i really want to try this game but at the same time if its just one big "GET CUCKED" i may just pass on this.

The only 'NTR' is easily avoidable (even if it's not technically NTR at that point). Just step in and say stop.

 

[RustyV]

*Eats popcorn*

Hey you have a cast of characters waiting for their director.

 

[M>A>M]

A strange observation. Thaddeus, river lady, and Evelyn are the only natives of this human nation who don't have celtic complexions. When you factor in that even the MC has a lighter complexion then they do. Then add into it that men are normaly1to2 shades darker then there female siblings.

On a different subject I tested on my date Evelyn save file. Outside gaining courage and asking about the other princess I never visited Thaddeus. Now I can't visit him unless Evelyn is home. I am also still getting paid every friday from there continued relationship. LOL! My MC in that save file is being cucked, and does not even know it. He can't catch them in the act.

 

[Belle]

On a different subject I tested on my date Evelyn save file. Outside gaining courage and asking about the other princess I never visited Thaddeus. Now I can't visit him unless Evelyn is home. I am also still getting paid every friday from there continued relationship. LOL! My MC in that save file is being cucked, and does not even know it. He can't catch them in the act.

That's not how it works. The game works under the assumption that, unless you observe them, nothing at all happens between them. In other words, if you never even encounter their first scene together, they don't even go that far.

 

[M>A>M]

That's not how it works. The game works under the assumption that, unless you observe them, nothing at all happens between them. In other words, if you never even encounter their first scene together, they don't even go that far.

If that was the case you would not be getting paid, the only time the MC stops being paid is when you catch them in the act, and threaten him. I guess you could say I found a loophole.

 

[Belle]

If that was the case you would not be getting paid, the only time the MC stops being paid is when you catch them in the act, and threaten him. I guess you could say I found a loophole.

No, you didn't. Evelyn is just negotiating, and not in a sexual way.

 

[M>A>M]

No, you didn't. Evelyn is just negotiating, and not in a sexual way.

I can't really argue with the story teller, I just find it funny. Just know I mean no offense.

 

[Frue]

Evelyn go to thaddeus about negotiation only, but thaddeus always one step more ahead. "If you want negotiation is end with good, allow me to have a sex with you first"

well done thaddeus.

 

[McWoodz]

Evelyn go to thaddeus about negotiation only, but thaddeus always one step more ahead. "If you want negotiation is end with good, allow me to have a sex with you first"

well done thaddeus.

And if you actually allowed Thaddeus to get any from Evelyn for the sake of a few extra copper coins a week you are officially a cuck, a pimp and a shitty brother. I honestly have no idea why anyone would take that option but to each their own. I guess the pimp part sounds kinda cool.

 

[DestructoBrat]

I think you forget Marek had a vission of the future Events before and apparently prepared the player for what is to come (based on the vission we have of him after getting stabed by the Faery King)... considering his own failing mind he however forgot it himself... or maybe he created that illusion of a failing mind by useing magic to force himself to forget.

But did they find her body? It took days to find something... enough time for the princess to recover a bit and casteing an illusion spell on either a random corpse or object... magic is frowned upon in human society so there probably is no mage at court who could discover such a plot.
And it would certainly help princess Lilith who has to go into hiding to plot the salvation of her sister or the rescue of her people.
A court is a place of sheming... that control spell could have probably been the strongest weapon for anyone attempting to gain political power.

Think your clutching at shadows with that one...
It may well be that Lillith took Selenas place after she died.
If so i think Thadeus is involved. That SHE maybe the "special someone" Back home.
Not sure where you get the Idea Magic is frowned upon. Did you forget Nell. Who came FROM the Kingdom with Samara. It's true she may not be a witch. But she is a truthsayer. And part Fey. That makes her Magical.

 

[DestructoBrat]

Man i got scared off playing this game for a while now. From all the "NTR not avoidable or not easy to avoid" comments. Is there any weight behind them or am i being jebaited? i really want to try this game but at the same time if its just one big "GET CUCKED" i may just pass on this.

Nah.
I'm playing V-21 atm and iv'e restarted maybe 7 times trying plot twists and trying to cut down the completion time.
It well worth it.
Currently down to 43 days with Max stats. And dating My sister. Primrose. Nell And the Fairy Queen.
And in a 3-some with Sis and Callie. And lets Never forget Belle. Who had every whole filled. LOL
Very Much worth playing.
I'd even dare. Unless anyone can tell me Diff. Best game around in terms of Graphics, animations, characters, and storyline.

 

[His Bastardlyness]

Think your clutching at shadows with that one...
It may well be that Lillith took Selenas place after she died.
If so i think Thadeus is involved. That SHE maybe the "special someone" Back home.
Not sure where you get the Idea Magic is frowned upon. Did you forget Nell. Who came FROM the Kingdom with Samara. It's true she may not be a witch. But she is a truthsayer. And part Fey. That makes her Magical.

True. The issue isn't her Truthsaying. It is her heritage. At the same time, there isn't much issue seen in regards to things like Truthsaying. Hell, they seem to use it as a tool in the preparation for the crowning. Fey are strange critters that tend to keep to themselves from my understanding.