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as long as ttrick gives me Jenny and Chris or anyone else as ntr for Jenny i will always support this game. and if he's down for custom scenes I will gladly pledge Huge Supporter tier again, or Vannessa master tier.
not long ago i would have agreed, but consumers in general have gotten stupid. idiots will sleep in a parking lot for the chance to be the first dumbfuck with a new i phone, which is just like the last 1 "but bro, smaller bezel, and new case color!" lol.I don't agree in that once a person's reputation is ruined, it's difficult to come back from that. So the incentive is to keep existing and bring in more subscribers by providing new content. Of course, not all subscribers actively monitor who they are subbing to. But I do. As soon as I feel uncomfortable by the level of communication or lack of content, I'll unsub. I wish more people would approach Patreon, SubStar, etc. with that mindset.
as i said before, the patrion model is a big issue with avn's. getting paid for completed work removes the milker cries from unreasonable consumers, and the "but im only a part timer" rebuttle from devs who want full time pay for part time work. both sides of the same bullshit coin. the best thing for reasonable/honest consumers/devs, is to pay for completed work.A lot of that gets lost in the crowd that thinks everyone is milking and shit. There are milkers out there definitely. But not every dev that can't deliver on shorter intervals because they have families and jobs/careers is a milker.
I do agree that consumers, in general, have become pretty stupid. I also acknowledge what you're referring to in terms of "dropping a few good renders". I'm sure we can both think of a few names of devs who are notorious for that and the simps keep simpin'.not long ago i would have agreed, but consumers in general have gotten stupid. idiots will sleep in a parking lot for the chance to be the first dumbfuck with a new i phone, which is just like the last 1 "but bro, smaller bezel, and new case color!" lol.
while i wish what you said was true, unfortunately, (especially in the avn community) it doesnt seem to matter how bad your rep gets, just drop a couple good renders and the simps come running back. if you look at it objectivly, your own assessment of who deserves support would put our boy ttrick in the crosshairs, due to extreme dev cycles, and lack of communication. (just being honest, ttrick rarely gives info beyond "check out these tits")
The thing about the subscription model is... anyone can choose to stop supporting when they're unhappy. They can also choose to adjust how much they support. You mention full-time pay for part-time work... how do you determine that? If they work at least 40 hours a week on their job that pays the bills... and then use their free-time to work on games, while also spending time with their families as not to neglect them... I mean, how much time a day do you expect a part-time/hobby dev to spend on a game? Do you think a few hundred dollars a month that some devs get will allow them to buy groceries and pay their rent, among other expenses? Even devs that get a couple thousand dollars a month... Apartments where I live can be low-end $1,400/mo to over $5,000/mo, depending on number of rooms, location, etc.as i said before, the patrion model is a big issue with avn's. getting paid for completed work removes the milker cries from unreasonable consumers, and the "but im only a part timer" rebuttle from devs who want full time pay for part time work. both sides of the same bullshit coin. the best thing for reasonable/honest consumers/devs, is to pay for completed work.
i only brought up the communication because it was 1 of the reasons you gave to remove support from a dev. i think info other than what the girls tits look like today is rare from him, maybe im just nosy, its also possible that you having a lot of access to info on game development is making you bias on the matter in this case. hes your friend, this is surely an agree to disagree situation.I do agree that consumers, in general, have become pretty stupid. I also acknowledge what you're referring to in terms of "dropping a few good renders". I'm sure we can both think of a few names of devs who are notorious for that and the simps keep simpin'.
As for TTrick, I understand how it can look for some. I talk with him quite frequently.. I know things that are going on in his personal life, and he knows what's going on in mine. Though, I don't think people can fault him for lack of communication. He does post when he has things worthy of posting. And he also pauses payments when he's unable to work on an update due to life commitments. Unlike those milky devs, he doesn't accept payment when he's not working on the game.
The thing about the subscription model is... anyone can choose to stop supporting when they're unhappy. They can also choose to adjust how much they support. You mention full-time pay for part-time work... how do you determine that? If they work at least 40 hours a week on their job that pays the bills... and then use their free-time to work on games, while also spending time with their families as not to neglect them... I mean, how much time a day do you expect a part-time/hobby dev to spend on a game? Do you think a few hundred dollars a month that some devs get will allow them to buy groceries and pay their rent, among other expenses? Even devs that get a couple thousand dollars a month... Apartments where I live can be low-end $1,400/mo to over $5,000/mo, depending on number of rooms, location, etc.
That is true, and I agree on how the sub model promotes milking. But the other model, delivering only finished games for sale, would also mean there would be way way way less games out there. I mean, with that model, every single game that is still a work in progress would not be available until it was finished and was sellable. Now consider all the games you follow, and imagine that each one of them that's still a wip was not available. Including this one. How many games would you be left with?we do agree that a part time dev CHOOSES to spend their free time making a game. the upside is that when they complete work, they can sell it for profit, its a smart way for someone interested in game development to spend spare time imo, the amount is subject to success as is anything in entertainment. this all just circles back to the start where i said the current patrion model is an issue. if devs, especially part timers sold completed work, even by chapter, they wouldnt need to feel pressure to work x amount of hours, communicate status, or neglect family (not that i recall saying they should).
I always felt like using the word hobby is inappropriate in any context where someone is getting paid for something. No, the states aren't mutually exclusive, but as chuck detailed above far too many devs use this as a folksy fallback.The thing about the subscription model is... anyone can choose to stop supporting when they're unhappy. They can also choose to adjust how much they support. You mention full-time pay for part-time work... how do you determine that? If they work at least 40 hours a week on their job that pays the bills... and then use their free-time to work on games, while also spending time with their families as not to neglect them... I mean, how much time a day do you expect a part-time/hobby dev to spend on a game?
This conversations a bit complicated for me Johnny so, let's talk about more sexy thinks like hoping Chris ruins Ann's pussy so she can't feel me for a week.I always felt like using the word hobby is inappropriate in any context where someone is getting paid for something. No, the states aren't mutually exclusive, but as chuck detailed above far too many devs use this as a folksy fallback.
The issue with treating this as a purely liberatarian contract (customer chooses how much to pay, dev chooses how much to work) - is the information gap between the two parties often exploited on the dev end. It's often in their interests to misrepresent the state of development, and indeed we often see this in practice - teaser posts trying to keep attention in lieu of real game content.
To go back on topic for this game, while I certainly wouldn't put ttrick in the same category as such famous milkers as the big bro/bad bobby/and all their remakes, I think he does a disservice by treating it as a casual project yet simultaneously acting very proprietous.
Damn, now that's some life goals right there!This conversations a bit complicated for me Johnny so, let's talk about more sexy thinks like hoping Chris ruins Ann's pussy so she can't feel me for a week.
Yeah, it didn't feel right to be honest.Damn, now that's some life goals right there!
Edited to add: Oh, you got your old avatar back, Joshy92 ?
When I use the term "hobby", I use that more for devs who are mostly doing it for fun. The subscription model supports both hobbyists and those who are trying to start a serious business. Patreon, for example, will list what benefits you receive at each tier. Things like a role on discord, access to monthly renders, status updates, etc. That is what you get for your money. Each person that subscribes should understand fully well that it's no guarantee for a completed project.I always felt like using the word hobby is inappropriate in any context where someone is getting paid for something. No, the states aren't mutually exclusive, but as chuck detailed above far too many devs use this as a folksy fallback.
The issue with treating this as a purely liberatarian contract (customer chooses how much to pay, dev chooses how much to work) - is the information gap between the two parties often exploited on the dev end. It's often in their interests to misrepresent the state of development, and indeed we often see this in practice - teaser posts trying to keep attention in lieu of real game content.
To go back on topic for this game, while I certainly wouldn't put ttrick in the same category as such famous milkers as the big bro/bad bobby/and all their remakes, I think he does a disservice by treating it as a casual project yet simultaneously acting very proprietous.
But wouldn't it be more interesting if Mc/Chris ruined Ann's vagina with continuous double vaginal and if we add Joe they could also name themselves after the three musketeers who ruin vaginas, true brotherhood?Yeah, it didn't feel right to be honest.
And I forgot to say too I want Chris to ruin all the pussy not just Ann's.
I'm saying the very act of accepting money for anything carries an implication of production or service, regardless of how one disclaims it.When I use the term "hobby", I use that more for devs who are mostly doing it for fun. The subscription model supports both hobbyists and those who are trying to start a serious business. Patreon, for example, will list what benefits you receive at each tier. Things like a role on discord, access to monthly renders, status updates, etc. That is what you get for your money. Each person that subscribes should understand fully well that it's no guarantee for a completed project.
I also wouldn't say TTrick treats it as a casual project.
lol fair enoughI'm saying the very act of accepting money for anything carries an implication of production or service, regardless of how one disclaims it.
Anyways ttrick is hardly the most egregious, so I'll go back to talking about how I want an Alex event where she fucks and sucks MC until he's chafed for a full weekend.
Oh boy if Ann lets me, I'll be all over Alex.I'm saying the very act of accepting money for anything carries an implication of production or service, regardless of how one disclaims it.
Anyways ttrick is hardly the most egregious, so I'll go back to talking about how I want an Alex event where she fucks and sucks MC until he's chafed for a full weekend.
Stay in your lane, Joshy. Alex is a goddess to be savored, not shared.Oh boy if Ann lets me, I'll be all over Alex.
Joshy, Alex wants your dick in AND around her mouth. Who are you to refuse such a warm-hearted girl?Oh boy if Ann lets me, I'll be all over Alex.
Don't worry bro if I fall in love with her, I'll bang her.Joshy, Alex wants your dick in AND around her mouth. Who are you to refuse such a warm-hearted girl?
I think Chris is way better than the usual idiots you see in sharing games. Most of them are just so awful.Sharing Alex is caring. Sadly that dumbass Chris don't deserves her.