Best girl?

  • Ann

    Votes: 4,147 26.3%
  • Vanessa

    Votes: 3,907 24.8%
  • Alex

    Votes: 2,231 14.2%
  • Emily

    Votes: 1,950 12.4%
  • Jenny

    Votes: 444 2.8%
  • Amber

    Votes: 141 0.9%
  • Merry

    Votes: 37 0.2%
  • Vanessa's Mom

    Votes: 1,359 8.6%
  • Fat Joe

    Votes: 1,538 9.8%

  • Total voters
    15,754

pantil

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Incest fans have been suffering for a long time due to Patreon and its rules, the cool thing about incest was taboo, the wrong thing is to see them fall into desire and then regret it and feel guilty, now it's all superficial, MC and Emily's relationship is very superficial. I prefer a roommate.

It's good to see vanilla NTR where the bull threatens his wife with a piece of paper that he's going to publish and end the marriage unless she has oral sex in the bathroom (but it was just a list of the bull's market), but now he has the video and it starts by corrupting the wife who at first feels all guilty because she loves her husband and in the end she just wants to fuck him until her ass is pouting.

Harem I love some, but most of them are rubbish, there are a bunch of identical girls that the MC will only meet twice in the game, once when he meets them and once at the end of the game.
 

chuck69

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I don't agree in that once a person's reputation is ruined, it's difficult to come back from that. So the incentive is to keep existing and bring in more subscribers by providing new content. Of course, not all subscribers actively monitor who they are subbing to. But I do. As soon as I feel uncomfortable by the level of communication or lack of content, I'll unsub. I wish more people would approach Patreon, SubStar, etc. with that mindset.
not long ago i would have agreed, but consumers in general have gotten stupid. idiots will sleep in a parking lot for the chance to be the first dumbfuck with a new i phone, which is just like the last 1 "but bro, smaller bezel, and new case color!" lol.

while i wish what you said was true, unfortunately, (especially in the avn community) it doesnt seem to matter how bad your rep gets, just drop a couple good renders and the simps come running back. if you look at it objectivly, your own assessment of who deserves support would put our boy ttrick in the crosshairs, due to extreme dev cycles, and lack of communication. (just being honest, ttrick rarely gives info beyond "check out these tits")


A lot of that gets lost in the crowd that thinks everyone is milking and shit. There are milkers out there definitely. But not every dev that can't deliver on shorter intervals because they have families and jobs/careers is a milker.
as i said before, the patrion model is a big issue with avn's. getting paid for completed work removes the milker cries from unreasonable consumers, and the "but im only a part timer" rebuttle from devs who want full time pay for part time work. both sides of the same bullshit coin. the best thing for reasonable/honest consumers/devs, is to pay for completed work.
 

GetOutOfMyLab

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not long ago i would have agreed, but consumers in general have gotten stupid. idiots will sleep in a parking lot for the chance to be the first dumbfuck with a new i phone, which is just like the last 1 "but bro, smaller bezel, and new case color!" lol.

while i wish what you said was true, unfortunately, (especially in the avn community) it doesnt seem to matter how bad your rep gets, just drop a couple good renders and the simps come running back. if you look at it objectivly, your own assessment of who deserves support would put our boy ttrick in the crosshairs, due to extreme dev cycles, and lack of communication. (just being honest, ttrick rarely gives info beyond "check out these tits")
I do agree that consumers, in general, have become pretty stupid. I also acknowledge what you're referring to in terms of "dropping a few good renders". I'm sure we can both think of a few names of devs who are notorious for that and the simps keep simpin'.

As for TTrick, I understand how it can look for some. I talk with him quite frequently.. I know things that are going on in his personal life, and he knows what's going on in mine. Though, I don't think people can fault him for lack of communication. He does post when he has things worthy of posting. And he also pauses payments when he's unable to work on an update due to life commitments. Unlike those milky devs, he doesn't accept payment when he's not working on the game.

as i said before, the patrion model is a big issue with avn's. getting paid for completed work removes the milker cries from unreasonable consumers, and the "but im only a part timer" rebuttle from devs who want full time pay for part time work. both sides of the same bullshit coin. the best thing for reasonable/honest consumers/devs, is to pay for completed work.
The thing about the subscription model is... anyone can choose to stop supporting when they're unhappy. They can also choose to adjust how much they support. You mention full-time pay for part-time work... how do you determine that? If they work at least 40 hours a week on their job that pays the bills... and then use their free-time to work on games, while also spending time with their families as not to neglect them... I mean, how much time a day do you expect a part-time/hobby dev to spend on a game? Do you think a few hundred dollars a month that some devs get will allow them to buy groceries and pay their rent, among other expenses? Even devs that get a couple thousand dollars a month... Apartments where I live can be low-end $1,400/mo to over $5,000/mo, depending on number of rooms, location, etc.
 

chuck69

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I do agree that consumers, in general, have become pretty stupid. I also acknowledge what you're referring to in terms of "dropping a few good renders". I'm sure we can both think of a few names of devs who are notorious for that and the simps keep simpin'.

As for TTrick, I understand how it can look for some. I talk with him quite frequently.. I know things that are going on in his personal life, and he knows what's going on in mine. Though, I don't think people can fault him for lack of communication. He does post when he has things worthy of posting. And he also pauses payments when he's unable to work on an update due to life commitments. Unlike those milky devs, he doesn't accept payment when he's not working on the game.


The thing about the subscription model is... anyone can choose to stop supporting when they're unhappy. They can also choose to adjust how much they support. You mention full-time pay for part-time work... how do you determine that? If they work at least 40 hours a week on their job that pays the bills... and then use their free-time to work on games, while also spending time with their families as not to neglect them... I mean, how much time a day do you expect a part-time/hobby dev to spend on a game? Do you think a few hundred dollars a month that some devs get will allow them to buy groceries and pay their rent, among other expenses? Even devs that get a couple thousand dollars a month... Apartments where I live can be low-end $1,400/mo to over $5,000/mo, depending on number of rooms, location, etc.
i only brought up the communication because it was 1 of the reasons you gave to remove support from a dev. i think info other than what the girls tits look like today is rare from him, maybe im just nosy, its also possible that you having a lot of access to info on game development is making you bias on the matter in this case. hes your friend, this is surely an agree to disagree situation.

yes, im aware that people can unsub anytime. theres too much to unpack on the subject so ill just advise you to look into things like why big business is such a big fan of sub platforms. the short version is that many people are too stupid to do the math/ keep track, and it leads to paying more, much more. if a aaa game asked you to pay thousands for a copy, youd tell them to get fucked, but not if its an indy on patrion?

we do agree that a part time dev CHOOSES to spend their free time making a game. the upside is that when they complete work, they can sell it for profit, its a smart way for someone interested in game development to spend spare time imo, the amount is subject to success as is anything in entertainment. this all just circles back to the start where i said the current patrion model is an issue. if devs, especially part timers sold completed work, even by chapter, they wouldnt need to feel pressure to work x amount of hours, communicate status, or neglect family (not that i recall saying they should). anyways, we probably shouldnt keep the convo going here, respond in pm if you wish. and thank you for the wealth of knowelege you freely give here often. cheers, lab
 

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we do agree that a part time dev CHOOSES to spend their free time making a game. the upside is that when they complete work, they can sell it for profit, its a smart way for someone interested in game development to spend spare time imo, the amount is subject to success as is anything in entertainment. this all just circles back to the start where i said the current patrion model is an issue. if devs, especially part timers sold completed work, even by chapter, they wouldnt need to feel pressure to work x amount of hours, communicate status, or neglect family (not that i recall saying they should).
That is true, and I agree on how the sub model promotes milking. But the other model, delivering only finished games for sale, would also mean there would be way way way less games out there. I mean, with that model, every single game that is still a work in progress would not be available until it was finished and was sellable. Now consider all the games you follow, and imagine that each one of them that's still a wip was not available. Including this one. How many games would you be left with?

Not meaning to antagonize here, just trying to look at the pros and cons. Because I hate subscription models on principle, but I also acknowledge that Patreon, SubscribeStar and similar have allowed lots of people to create games, who wouldn't have otherwise.
 

Pr0GamerJohnny

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The thing about the subscription model is... anyone can choose to stop supporting when they're unhappy. They can also choose to adjust how much they support. You mention full-time pay for part-time work... how do you determine that? If they work at least 40 hours a week on their job that pays the bills... and then use their free-time to work on games, while also spending time with their families as not to neglect them... I mean, how much time a day do you expect a part-time/hobby dev to spend on a game?
I always felt like using the word hobby is inappropriate in any context where someone is getting paid for something. No, the states aren't mutually exclusive, but as chuck detailed above far too many devs use this as a folksy fallback.

The issue with treating this as a purely liberatarian contract (customer chooses how much to pay, dev chooses how much to work) - is the information gap between the two parties often exploited on the dev end. It's often in their interests to misrepresent the state of development, and indeed we often see this in practice - teaser posts trying to keep attention in lieu of real game content.

To go back on topic for this game, while I certainly wouldn't put ttrick in the same category as such famous milkers as the big bro/bad bobby/and all their remakes, I think he does a disservice by treating it as a casual project yet simultaneously acting very proprietous.
 
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Joshy92

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I always felt like using the word hobby is inappropriate in any context where someone is getting paid for something. No, the states aren't mutually exclusive, but as chuck detailed above far too many devs use this as a folksy fallback.

The issue with treating this as a purely liberatarian contract (customer chooses how much to pay, dev chooses how much to work) - is the information gap between the two parties often exploited on the dev end. It's often in their interests to misrepresent the state of development, and indeed we often see this in practice - teaser posts trying to keep attention in lieu of real game content.

To go back on topic for this game, while I certainly wouldn't put ttrick in the same category as such famous milkers as the big bro/bad bobby/and all their remakes, I think he does a disservice by treating it as a casual project yet simultaneously acting very proprietous.
This conversations a bit complicated for me Johnny so, let's talk about more sexy thinks like hoping Chris ruins Ann's pussy so she can't feel me for a week.
 

Finuee

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This conversations a bit complicated for me Johnny so, let's talk about more sexy thinks like hoping Chris ruins Ann's pussy so she can't feel me for a week.
Damn, now that's some life goals right there! :LUL:

Edited to add: Oh, you got your old avatar back, Joshy92 ?
 
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GetOutOfMyLab

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I always felt like using the word hobby is inappropriate in any context where someone is getting paid for something. No, the states aren't mutually exclusive, but as chuck detailed above far too many devs use this as a folksy fallback.

The issue with treating this as a purely liberatarian contract (customer chooses how much to pay, dev chooses how much to work) - is the information gap between the two parties often exploited on the dev end. It's often in their interests to misrepresent the state of development, and indeed we often see this in practice - teaser posts trying to keep attention in lieu of real game content.

To go back on topic for this game, while I certainly wouldn't put ttrick in the same category as such famous milkers as the big bro/bad bobby/and all their remakes, I think he does a disservice by treating it as a casual project yet simultaneously acting very proprietous.
When I use the term "hobby", I use that more for devs who are mostly doing it for fun. The subscription model supports both hobbyists and those who are trying to start a serious business. Patreon, for example, will list what benefits you receive at each tier. Things like a role on discord, access to monthly renders, status updates, etc. That is what you get for your money. Each person that subscribes should understand fully well that it's no guarantee for a completed project.

I also wouldn't say TTrick treats it as a casual project.
 
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Pr0GamerJohnny

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When I use the term "hobby", I use that more for devs who are mostly doing it for fun. The subscription model supports both hobbyists and those who are trying to start a serious business. Patreon, for example, will list what benefits you receive at each tier. Things like a role on discord, access to monthly renders, status updates, etc. That is what you get for your money. Each person that subscribes should understand fully well that it's no guarantee for a completed project.

I also wouldn't say TTrick treats it as a casual project.
I'm saying the very act of accepting money for anything carries an implication of production or service, regardless of how one disclaims it.

Anyways ttrick is hardly the most egregious, so I'll go back to talking about how I want an Alex event where she fucks and sucks MC until he's chafed for a full weekend. o_O
 

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I'm saying the very act of accepting money for anything carries an implication of production or service, regardless of how one disclaims it.

Anyways ttrick is hardly the most egregious, so I'll go back to talking about how I want an Alex event where she fucks and sucks MC until he's chafed for a full weekend.
lol fair enough
 

Joshy92

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I'm saying the very act of accepting money for anything carries an implication of production or service, regardless of how one disclaims it.

Anyways ttrick is hardly the most egregious, so I'll go back to talking about how I want an Alex event where she fucks and sucks MC until he's chafed for a full weekend. o_O
Oh boy if Ann lets me, I'll be all over Alex.
 
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