VN Ren'Py Lost Solace [Ch.2 P1 v0.2a] [SakuraKage]

[Skeltom]

talking about not being able to please everyone.
if you think the relationships move to fast, you might just have never experienced it yourself.
thats okay, not everyone is a badass, handsome, tall guy that women are naturally attracted to.
if you ever experienced a womans genuine attraction, you know that women can be quite direct about it.
almost too obvious if you know how they tick.

if you were in olives position and some badass, sexy beauty would save you from peril, you would be gooning so hard over her itd be laughable. and women tend to be emotionally affected by this even more. the fact that she might have a tiny screw loose just adds to that.

mc and gemma have known each other and worked together for 6 years. you obviously dont know what being in the foxhole and surviving hardship together does to people. you will find out more about their past as the story progresses.
we are 3 hours in for crying out loud. how dare she tease mc...

and god forbid a girl is cheeky and has some flirty, innocent banter about threesomes or whatever. how dare she have a unique, outgoing personality. oh wait, maybe her GREEN HAIR mightve been a clue.

im not even gonna address dora.

i suggest if you want to "work" for a girls affection, try mrdots games or any other game where you have to worship the girls at every opportunity to get a handjob after 10 updates.

rant over, probably taking a break from f95 xD

Jesus man. I don't know if you are joking around or not, but if not that is a very overly defensive reaction to some constructive criticism. Defend everything tooth and claw and insult the players?

A woman's genuine attraction boils down to "What a hunk! Put it in me now."? It's not the fifties anymore.

Sure in Olive's position she could feel grateful and that would be understandable, but what she does is strait up stalker behavior. Somehow tracks down the MC because she is "in love", literally snuggles up to him and you can go even farther and pull this woman that you know for a whole five minutes on top of you and reaction? "What..! This is all I ever wanted!".

For Gemma, unless I missed something that information is never even brought up in the game. You as a dev may already know that but if it's such a vital part of your defense you may want to, you know, let the player know about their past.

Ash and Hanna being outgoing and playful isn't the issue at all. Nothing wrong with a playful character but there is a line. The MC breaks into their home and physically restrains Ash and their demand to feel safe is... Get naked? Yeah, that's a totally realistic reaction in that situation. Then hours later they are hanging out like they are all besties and planning threesomes? The MC also has no qualms pre-planning a BJ from these maidens in destress that he just couldn't not help. Two women he knows nothing about but have already clearly been in WITSEC. A fact the MC somehow didn't pick up on by the way.

You honestly see nothing wrong with any of that?

 

[Avaron1974]

if you ever experienced a womans genuine attraction, you know that women can be quite direct about it.
almost too obvious if you know how they tick.

I think some of the guys here would be quite shocked if they knew how we really worked.

A woman knows if they want to fuck someone or not within a few seconds of speaking to them. We don't need dates and build up to want sex.

We also like sex, sometimes a lot more than men do.

Works the same whether we are straight, les or anything in between. To be fair, said it in another thread, us lesbo's tend to move quickly. Want sum fuk, get sum fuk.

 

[HunterSeeker]

I came for the porn but stayed for the story.

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

talking about not being able to please everyone.
if you think the relationships move to fast, you might just have never experienced it yourself.
thats okay, not everyone is a badass, handsome, tall guy that women are naturally attracted to.
if you ever experienced a womans genuine attraction, you know that women can be quite direct about it.
almost too obvious if you know how they tick.

if you were in olives position and some badass, sexy beauty would save you from peril, you would be gooning so hard over her itd be laughable. and women tend to be emotionally affected by this even more. the fact that she might have a tiny screw loose just adds to that.

mc and gemma have known each other and worked together for 6 years. you obviously dont know what being in the foxhole and surviving hardship together does to people. you will find out more about their past as the story progresses.
we are 3 hours in for crying out loud. how dare she tease mc...

and god forbid a girl is cheeky and has some flirty, innocent banter about threesomes or whatever. how dare she have a unique, outgoing personality. oh wait, maybe her GREEN HAIR mightve been a clue.

im not even gonna address dora.

i suggest if you want to "work" for a girls affection, try mrdots games or any other game where you have to worship the girls at every opportunity to get a handjob after 10 updates.

rant over, probably taking a break from f95 xD

too be very clear just because somebody has criticisms or a little negative feedback doesn't mean they don't love the

game I do love this game I just have like many people a few concerns

just because people may have a problem understanding certain parts of the game it doesn't make them a hater or not it mean love this game

 

[sunaboz]

(...)
Jesus man. I don't know if you are joking around or not, but if not that is a very overly defensive reaction to some constructive criticism. (...)

It's not exactly constructive criticism (but I'll get to that in another post where I'll reply to him directly) and what's most important dev replied to him AFTER he posted a 2/5 "review" where the guy contradicts himself and from the text itself I would think he wouldn't go lower than 4/5. He admits that the game looks gorgeous, he says he likes this game (even saying "I really like it") so WTF such low rating? According to him it's because "there is no story", lol. The story here is significantly better than in 99.99% porn games on this site but his main reasoning here is that every woman he meets hangs on his dick (which is not true yet).

I've taken a screenshot of his review in case he would edit it:

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

It's not exactly constructive criticism (but I'll get to that in another post where I'll reply to him directly) and what's most important dev replied to him AFTER he posted a 2/5 "review" where the guy contradicts himself and from the text itself I would think he wouldn't go lower than 4/5. He admits that the game looks gorgeous, he says he likes this game (even saying "I really like it") so WTF such low rating? According to him it's because "there is no story", lol. The story here is significantly better than in 99.99% porn games on this site but his main reasoning here is that every woman he meets hangs on his dick (which is not true yet).

I've taken a screenshot of his review in case he would edit it:
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so somebody had a similar criticism

and because of that they gave an unfair review and an unfair score

that doesn't mean if somebody has a similar complaint that they're a hater like that person

I mean even with our complaints we would never give a 2 out of 5

 

[scaryterry19]

Dev should have just started the game out with the MC’s dog being killed with the MC going on a killing spree.

That’s probably never been done before…

 

[resgar]

It is disappointment. Dev promise "greatest challenges" right in Op post, but so far i've seen none of it. Greatest choice so far is to flirt or not. Check out occasional booba or not. Hardest choice "merciless hunter or a virtuous savior? " as he put it, is actually "soy" response, when girls hang on dick, or "macho". That's it. There is no thrilling mystery or challenges. The developer cheated and did not deliver me what he promised in OP post.

And about score. Oh, i've given even less. To those who do practically the same AND have audacity beg for money right ingame, lol. This one does not, so he can have 2/5. Just for graphics, he deserve this much.

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

It is disappointment. Dev promise "greatest challenges" right in Op post, but so far i've seen none of it. Greatest choice so far is to flirt or not. Check out occasional booba or not. Hardest choice "merciless hunter or a virtuous savior? " as he put it, is actually "soy" response, when girls hang on dick, or "macho". That's it. There is no thrilling mystery or challenges. The developer cheated and did not deliver me what he promised in OP post.

And about score. Oh, i've given even less. To those who do practically the same AND have audacity beg for money right ingame, lol. This one does not, so he can have 2/5. Just for graphics, he deserve this much.

we may have different scores for the game my brother but I think your opinion is valid

even though it may be different from mine we do agree on many things

just not everything and that's perfectly fine
personally I think as the game goes on will get more impactful choices

right now the game is Just introducing the story

 

[Rayne]

It is disappointment. Dev promise "greatest challenges" right in Op post, but so far i've seen none of it. Greatest choice so far is to flirt or not. Check out occasional booba or not. Hardest choice "merciless hunter or a virtuous savior? " as he put it, is actually "soy" response, when girls hang on dick, or "macho". That's it. There is no thrilling mystery or challenges. The developer cheated and did not deliver me what he promised in OP post.

And about score. Oh, i've given even less. To those who do practically the same AND have audacity beg for money right ingame, lol. This one does not, so he can have 2/5. Just for graphics, he deserve this much.

I would understand your criticism if the game were already somewhere in the middle of the story, but this was only the second update, and the plot is just starting to unfold, yet you're writing as if you've already finished the entire game. You can only write about developer deception when the game is released in its final state. The claim that every girl is jumping on the MC isn't entirely fair either. Which girls has the MC had sex with? A blowjob from Dora (which you can also get in real life after a couple of hours of interaction), and if you take advantage of the situation with Calli, otherwise it's just flirting. Okay, I understand that some people think romance is about flowers and dates, and in some cases that's good, but this game isn't entirely about that, although anything is possible in the future.

 

[SakuraKage]

Sure in Olive's position she could feel grateful and that would be understandable, but what she does is strait up stalker behavior. Somehow tracks down the MC because she is "in love", literally snuggles up to him and you can go even farther and pull this woman that you know for a whole five minutes on top of you and reaction? "What..! This is all I ever wanted!".

For Gemma, unless I missed something that information is never even brought up in the game. You as a dev may already know that but if it's such a vital part of your defense you may want to, you know, let the player know about their past.

Ash and Hanna being outgoing and playful isn't the issue at all. Nothing wrong with a playful character but there is a line. The MC breaks into their home and physically restrains Ash and their demand to feel safe is... Get naked? Yeah, that's a totally realistic reaction in that situation. Then hours later they are hanging out like they are all besties and planning threesomes? The MC also has no qualms pre-planning a BJ from these maidens in destress that he just couldn't not help. Two women he knows nothing about but have already clearly been in WITSEC. A fact the MC somehow didn't pick up on by the way.

i dont want to make a habit of arguing, and i apologize if you felt my post was insulting to you. it was just a rant to a criticism that multiple people made, which i think isnt entirely fair. people clearly didnt pay enough attention.

so you understood entirely what i want you to know about olivia. if you dont like the clingy stalker archetype, shes not for you, because shes only gonna get worse. there are 9 more girls in the game.

as for gemma, check the ingame bios. even if you dont know about the "6 years", you can clearly infer the rest from the writing.
but instead of thinking "oh these two must really know each other well and be very familiar" for some reason you think she's being unreasonable.

your thoughts on the interaction with ash and hanna are reaaaally weird...
if you think they're "planning" threesomes and bjs, just... i dunno man, thats clearly not what they are doing.
and just because someone changes their name, they are not in witsec.
case in point, it literally happens ingame, and they are not in witsec. safehouse =/= witsec.

 

[sunaboz]

OK, let's get one thing straight. Yes, there is porn logic here but it is an essential element of porn games and here we get it in right doses (nothing excessive if you ask me, everything is quite logical and with women below 30 it shouldn't be surprising they would have very high libido). Going for extreme realism is counter-productive for games that depict explicit sex scenes and if we would get another slow-paced game I probably would have dropped it. Women want to fuck just as much (if not more) as men and they do dumb shit (arguably even more than men) to achieve it, even ruining their marriages just for a couple of minutes of bliss.

If you would want realism most people would puke when seeing an anal scene not performed by "professionals" (I haven't seen enema being done in any of the porn games here, maybe besides Starless). Women would have much more hair everywhere (some fuzz at least), pimples and other imperfections.

In the case of this game, during his assassination of the gangsters he would most likely be injured at least, which would result in possibly months of recovery and a huge invoice to pay for medical treatment. Does that sound fun to you? As dev said, some suspension of disbelief is necessary, one doesn't play porn games for realism but to experience (read: imagine experiencing) something he wouldn't experience in real life. Hence we get perfectly clean anal, some kinky play that your woman would never agree to or Rambo style action instead of us being dead within 5 seconds of engaging the enemy (although in the case of Kelly, he is obviously trained much better than your average gangster and what we've seen wasn't too unrealistic, especially when you consider that one hostage got killed).

So yeah, sorry but I don't get the criticism this game is getting even though it's already much more realistic than 99% of games here (where like half is about incest, which almost never happens in real life and nature makes sure that it stays that way).

With that out of my system let me address this poster:

Dora: We've know each other for less than 3 hours but I love you and you should drop everything to come with me because I'm either in the crime syndicate you're chasing or a red herring. But grr you won't because that's what a reasonable human would do.

Dora said it herself that it's dumb but it's either a love at first sight (it really happens) or something else. And knowing that Kelly is basically a hobo, a vagrant without a house and with basically an odd job it shouldn't matter that much where he would stay. Nothing wrong with her asking this question or her being clingy.

Mio: We've had half a conversation, but I have a good feeling about you

In real life women do even dumber shit. In Germany, during "refugees welcome" campaign by Merkel, many women who invited male refugees to their homes were either raped or killed (or their daughters were). Now that is dumb. What Mio did wasn't even close because there were multiple witnesses and Kelly was staying in a different building (so we can assume Mio would lock her house).

And let's be honest, Mio has for years dealt with many men (often drunken men) due to the nature of her job and I believe her when she says that she's a good judge of character. Plus if Kelly was a rapist or some other psycho her not inviting him wouldn't change a thing, Kelly could have waited until she would go to sleep and rape her uninvited, don't you think? Again, nothing wrong with this.

Last but not least, Sylvie did warn Mio about it and said out loud what you thought. It's not that Mio wasn't aware how it looked, it's just wasn't convincing enough to change her mind. Heck, even Kelly mentions that Mio's only flaw is that she trusts too easily (it's in the character bio section). Dev is aware how it looks but this is still very realistic and happens all the time.

Olivia: I'm one of the girls MC saved in the edgelord intro because none of the characters existed before the opening and I'm in love with him. How I found him? Lol fuck you.

Her finding him might or might not be addressed but I can see various ways she did (most likely way is through Gemma, depending on her skills she might have tapped her phone for example or she might have overheard something that gave her a hint where Kelly went). Or it was dumb luck, who cares? A bit of porn logic is welcome in a porn game, if we will get to fuck her I'm 100% on board. But I'll admit, out of all LIs this one is the only where one could have a problem with (although it's been established from the start that she was quite intelligent and logical in her reasoning and wasn't panicking like the other girls).

Gemma: We have a working relationship but here's some nudes because why would we build relationships?

lol
You have no idea what their relationship is like but judging by the character notes we can assume that it's friendship at least. Kelly literally calls her her better half so you mentioning her in this context is the dumbest of all. Even though Kelly doesn't see her as LI (yet), Gemma clearly wants to fuck him and would do anything for him (including going to jail or worse). Out of all LIs Gemma makes most sense by far.

Sylvie: LITERALLY AS EASY AS SHE PRETENDS NOT TO BE.

THAT'S THE POINT! In real life I've seen much stranger things than 20 year old being horny and wanting to fuck attractive man (duh!). Sylvie was from the start attracted to Kelly, she just had a strange way of showing it. If you ask me, her showing in white, see through gym clothes was intentional. Again, nothing wrong with this scene.

 

[Skeltom]

i dont want to make a habit of arguing, and i apologize if you felt my post was insulting to you. it was just a rant to a criticism that multiple people made, which i think isnt entirely fair. people clearly didnt pay enough attention.

so you understood entirely what i want you to know about olivia. if you dont like the clingy stalker archetype, shes not for you, because shes only gonna get worse. there are 9 more girls in the game.

as for gemma, check the ingame bios. even if you dont know about the "6 years", you can clearly infer the rest from the writing.
but instead of thinking "oh these two must really know each other well and be very familiar" for some reason you think she's being unreasonable. thats called "being bad faith".

your thoughts on the interaction with ash and hanna are reaaaally weird...
if you think they're "planning" threesomes and bjs, just... i dunno man, thats clearly not what they are doing.
and just because someone changes their name, they are not in witsec.
case in point, it literally happens ingame, and they are not in witsec. safehouse =/= witsec.

On a hard defensive again. I didn't say it was insulting to me personal, just in a general sense. You basically said if they were strong, handsome bad asses they would know how having every girl drool over them would feel.

If Olive gets worse then yeah, she is definitely not for me. That also doesn't mean she wont be sticking her nose into the MC's business throughout the game whether the player is into it or not.

To be fair I didn't read every LI's bios, just the ones I was interested in. Either way that information should still come out in the actual interactions and not as a cliff note.

As for ash and Hanna, how are they not planning something? Or is it just joking around and I'm reading way too much into this conversation?

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And it's not about them changing there names in-game. It's either WITSEC or they at least faked their own deaths and changed their name to get way from something.

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[Jnx]

OK, let's get one thing straight. Yes, there is porn logic here but it is an essential element of porn games and here we get it in right doses (nothing excessive if you ask me, everything is quite logical and with women below 30 it shouldn't be surprising they would have very high libido). Going for extreme realism is counter-productive for games that depict explicit sex scenes and if we would get another slow-paced game I probably would have dropped it. Women want to fuck just as much (if not more) as men and they do dumb shit (arguably even more than men) to achieve it, even ruining their marriages just for a couple of minutes of bliss.

If you would want realism most people would puke when seeing an anal scene not performed by "professionals" (I haven't seen enema being done in any of the porn games here, maybe besides Starless). Women would have much more hair everywhere (some fuzz at least), pimples and other imperfections.

In the case of this game, during his assassination of the gangsters he would most likely be injured at least, which would result in possibly months of recovery and a huge invoice to pay for medical treatment. Does that sound fun to you? As dev said, some suspension of disbelief is necessary, one doesn't play porn games for realism but to experience (read: imagine experiencing) something he wouldn't experience in real life. Hence we get perfectly clean anal, some kinky play that your woman would never agree to or Rambo style action instead of us being dead within 5 seconds of engaging the enemy (although in the case of Kelly, he is obviously trained much better than your average gangster and what we've seen wasn't too unrealistic, especially when you consider that one hostage got killed).

So yeah, sorry but I don't get the criticism this game is getting even though it's already much more realistic than 99% of games here (where like half is about incest, which almost never happens in real life and nature makes sure that it stays that way).

With that out of my system let me address this poster:

Dora said it herself that it's dumb but it's either a love at first sight (it really happens) or something else. And knowing that Kelly is basically a hobo, a vagrant without a house and with basically an odd job it shouldn't matter that much where he would stay. Nothing wrong with her asking this question or her being clingy.

In real life women do even dumber shit. In Germany, during "refugees welcome" campaign by Merkel, many women who invited male refugees to their homes were either raped or killed (or their daughters were). Now that is dumb. What Mio did wasn't even close because there were multiple witnesses and Kelly was staying in a different building (so we can assume Mio would lock her house).

And let's be honest, Mio has for years dealt with many men (often drunken men) due to the nature of her job and I believe her when she says that she's a good judge of character. Plus if Kelly was a rapist or some other psycho her not inviting him wouldn't change a thing, Kelly could have waited until she would go to sleep and rape her uninvited, don't you think? Again, nothing wrong with this.

Last but not least, Sylvie did warn Mio about it and said out loud what you thought. It's not that Mio wasn't aware how it looked, it's just wasn't convincing enough to change her mind. Heck, even Kelly mentions that Mio's only flaw is that she trusts too easily (it's in the character bio section). Dev is aware how it looks but this is still very realistic and happens all the time.

Her finding him might or might not be addressed but I can see various ways she did (most likely way is through Gemma, depending on her skills she might have tapped her phone for example or she might have overheard something that gave her a hint where Kelly went). Or it was dumb luck, who cares? A bit of porn logic is welcome in a porn game, if we will get to fuck her I'm 100% on board. But I'll admit, out of all LIs this one is the only where one could have a problem with (although it's been established from the start that she was quite intelligent and logical in her reasoning and wasn't panicking like the other girls).

lol
You have no idea what their relationship is like but judging by the character notes we can assume that it's friendship at least. Kelly literally calls her her better half so you mentioning her in this context is the dumbest of all. Even though Kelly doesn't see her as LI (yet), Gemma clearly wants to fuck him and would do anything for him (including going to jail or worse). Out of all LIs Gemma makes most sense by far.
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THAT'S THE POINT! In real life I've seen much stranger things than 20 year old being horny and wanting to fuck attractive man (duh!). Sylvie was from the start attracted to Kelly, she just had a strange way of showing it. If you ask me, her showing in white, see through gym clothes was intentional. Again, nothing wrong with this scene.

lol

 

[barcio_pl]

OK, let's get one thing straight. Yes, there is porn logic here but it is an essential element of porn games and here we get it in right doses (nothing excessive if you ask me, everything is quite logical and with women below 30 it shouldn't be surprising they would have very high libido). Going for extreme realism is counter-productive for games that depict explicit sex scenes and if we would get another slow-paced game I probably would have dropped it. Women want to fuck just as much (if not more) as men and they do dumb shit (arguably even more than men) to achieve it, even ruining their marriages just for a couple of minutes of bliss.

If you would want realism most people would puke when seeing an anal scene not performed by "professionals" (I haven't seen enema being done in any of the porn games here, maybe besides Starless). Women would have much more hair everywhere (some fuzz at least), pimples and other imperfections.

In the case of this game, during his assassination of the gangsters he would most likely be injured at least, which would result in possibly months of recovery and a huge invoice to pay for medical treatment. Does that sound fun to you? As dev said, some suspension of disbelief is necessary, one doesn't play porn games for realism but to experience (read: imagine experiencing) something he wouldn't experience in real life. Hence we get perfectly clean anal, some kinky play that your woman would never agree to or Rambo style action instead of us being dead within 5 seconds of engaging the enemy (although in the case of Kelly, he is obviously trained much better than your average gangster and what we've seen wasn't too unrealistic, especially when you consider that one hostage got killed).

So yeah, sorry but I don't get the criticism this game is getting even though it's already much more realistic than 99% of games here (where like half is about incest, which almost never happens in real life and nature makes sure that it stays that way).

With that out of my system let me address this poster:

Dora said it herself that it's dumb but it's either a love at first sight (it really happens) or something else. And knowing that Kelly is basically a hobo, a vagrant without a house and with basically an odd job it shouldn't matter that much where he would stay. Nothing wrong with her asking this question or her being clingy.

In real life women do even dumber shit. In Germany, during "refugees welcome" campaign by Merkel, many women who invited male refugees to their homes were either raped or killed (or their daughters were). Now that is dumb. What Mio did wasn't even close because there were multiple witnesses and Kelly was staying in a different building (so we can assume Mio would lock her house).

And let's be honest, Mio has for years dealt with many men (often drunken men) due to the nature of her job and I believe her when she says that she's a good judge of character. Plus if Kelly was a rapist or some other psycho her not inviting him wouldn't change a thing, Kelly could have waited until she would go to sleep and rape her uninvited, don't you think? Again, nothing wrong with this.

Last but not least, Sylvie did warn Mio about it and said out loud what you thought. It's not that Mio wasn't aware how it looked, it's just wasn't convincing enough to change her mind. Heck, even Kelly mentions that Mio's only flaw is that she trusts too easily (it's in the character bio section). Dev is aware how it looks but this is still very realistic and happens all the time.

Her finding him might or might not be addressed but I can see various ways she did (most likely way is through Gemma, depending on her skills she might have tapped her phone for example or she might have overheard something that gave her a hint where Kelly went). Or it was dumb luck, who cares? A bit of porn logic is welcome in a porn game, if we will get to fuck her I'm 100% on board. But I'll admit, out of all LIs this one is the only where one could have a problem with (although it's been established from the start that she was quite intelligent and logical in her reasoning and wasn't panicking like the other girls).

lol
You have no idea what their relationship is like but judging by the character notes we can assume that it's friendship at least. Kelly literally calls her her better half so you mentioning her in this context is the dumbest of all. Even though Kelly doesn't see her as LI (yet), Gemma clearly wants to fuck him and would do anything for him (including going to jail or worse). Out of all LIs Gemma makes most sense by far.
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THAT'S THE POINT! In real life I've seen much stranger things than 20 year old being horny and wanting to fuck attractive man (duh!). Sylvie was from the start attracted to Kelly, she just had a strange way of showing it. If you ask me, her showing in white, see through gym clothes was intentional. Again, nothing wrong with this scene.

Great post, couldn't have said it better!

And as a counterpoint you get...

lol

The peak of eloquence...

 

[Quetzzz]

As for ash and Hanna, how are they not planning something? Or is it just joking around and I'm reading way too much into this conversation?

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This is seduction in the form of banter. She's not promising sexual favors in return for their safety, not directly at least. Ash is coping with what happened earlier and interested in the MC, which combines into this conversation. The kiss she gives him is, as far as kisses go, very chaste.
That Ash can joke about this means that she doesn't see the MC as the typical "nice guy" or white knight. People like that would come over the next day with their pants on their ankles, claiming they were promised a blowie.

 

[SakuraKage]

On a hard defensive again. I didn't say it was insulting to me personal, just in a general sense. You basically said if they were strong, handsome bad asses they would know how having every girl drool over them would feel.

If Olive gets worse then yeah, she is definitely not for me. That also doesn't mean she wont be sticking her nose into the MC's business throughout the game whether the player is into it or not.

To be fair I didn't read every LI's bios, just the ones I was interested in. Either way that information should still come out in the actual interactions and not as a cliff note.

As for ash and Hanna, how are they not planning something? Or is it just joking around and I'm reading way too much into this conversation?

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And it's not about them changing there names in-game. It's either WITSEC or they at least faked their own deaths and changed their name to get way from something.

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im not defensive, just trying to help you understand.

there is this thing called subtext. characters can say or talk about one thing, but its completely irrelevant.
they are bonding over their shared sense of humor and sure, its also flirty. there's no "planning" going on.

and "that got us killed last time" is a reference that wont mean anything to you, if you dont recognize the characters.

 

[Skeltom]

im not defensive, just trying to help you understand.

there is this thing called subtext. characters can say or talk about one thing, but its completely irrelevant.
they are bonding over their shared sense of humor and sure, its also flirty. there's no "planning" going on.

and "that got us killed last time" is a reference that wont mean anything to you, if you dont recognize the characters.

You are defensive, and snide... I'm trying to keep my perspective civil, not sure the same can be said for you. As you said, don't want to make a habit of arguing, and this is going nowhere, good luck going forward.

 

[barcio_pl]

and "that got us killed last time" is a reference that wont mean anything to you, if you dont recognize the characters.

Interesting... Do you mean it literally or kind of in a easter-egg'ish manner ?

 

[SakuraKage]

Interesting... Do you mean it literally or kind of in a easter-egg'ish manner ?

not sure how to answer that, but lets say they are "inspired" characters. so there are some quotes that are easter eggs.
and the quote is also somewhat literal, its not exactly a common expression that one would use.