VN Ren'Py Abandoned Love and Submission [v0.08] [veqvil]

[rangaru]

Alcohol does not 'cure' loneliness, stress or sadness. It may suppress those things for a short amount of time but when sober they will come back stronger than before. Using alcohol as self-medication for mental issues of any kind is understandable but generally speaking a very bad idea, no matter if you are rich or poor.

I didn't wrote that it's good idea or cure. It just helps. Especially if you live in Northern Europe or other place like that, where in winter you don't see sun 15 h per day, and even when sun shine is behind the clouds.
When you didn't slept for 36 hours and still can't sleep it gets very fuckin' dark. Like, suicidal dark. Lack of sleep means not only phiscal exhaustion but most improtantly psychological one. Eventually you will start to torture yourself, worst moments of your life will come back for some reason.
Restart will feel always like a blessing, no matter it's booze induced one. Alcoholism is very bad, but it's not easy to become alcoholic. I know few addicts and they really work hard to get to that point.

 

[n0b0dy]

I didn't wrote that it's good idea or cure. It just helps. Especially if you live in Northern Europe or other place like that, where in winter you don't see sun 15 h per day, and even when sun shine is behind the clouds.
When you didn't slept for 36 hours and still can't sleep it gets very fuckin' dark. Like, suicidal dark. Lack of sleep means not only phiscal exhaustion but most improtantly psychological one. Eventually you will start to torture yourself, worst moments of your life will come back for some reason.
Restart will feel always like a blessing, no matter it's booze induced one. Alcoholism is very bad, but it's not easy to become alcoholic. I know few addicts and they really work hard to get to that point.

I understand life can be really difficult for a lot of people all around the planet for a lot of different reasons and I know when you are feeling down getting shitfaced drunk to numb the pain can be very pleasant and 'liberating' indeed. However it is never a healthy thing to do. Alcohol has many nasty sides and can be very damaging for body and mind (as research has shown again and again) and in many cases only increases suffering instead of decreasing it. Alcohol does not care if you are an alcoholic or not, it will do damage to your brain and other parts of your body regardless. I have seen many good, intelligent well-functioning people who developed problems with alcohol and believe me, they did not 'work hard' to get that way. I think alcoholism is something that could happen to almost everyone under the right (wrong) circumstances and nobody consciously chooses to become a alcoholic. Those who use a lot of alcohol or other damaging drugs always will find ways to rationalize it and say it is not that big of a deal until there has been a lot of damage done, therefore it is always important when you are a user of this kind of stuff to research the adverse effects the drugs might have on you and to always evaluate if you are not fooling yourself by using in some way and downplaying the negative results. Don't get me wrong, I am not against the use of alcohol or other drugs but I think it is good to be aware of the adverse affects of them and not to pretend like alcohol is some kind of innocent substance that will only contribute to the well-being of the user in a positive way because it isn't.

To go more on-topic, @veqvil do you know if alcohol/drug-use will play a part in LaS? I do believe they can be a interesting plot device in these kind of stories since they can lower inhibitions and can change the way sex is experienced or the way contentiousness is manifested in all kind of beautiful ways. Also the sadist in me thinks the idea of one of girls developing a alcohol or drug-problem and suffering because of it is hot as hell :evilsmile:

 

[veqvil]

Its incredible what a little light and extra background can do to a picture.

Yes, I was like "shit... this only took a few minutes per scene, now I have to open up all those 120 scenes and rerender xD but they will be done when I'm not home over Christmas so dont't worry

I didn't wrote that it's good idea or cure. It just helps. Especially if you live in Northern Europe or other place like that, where in winter you don't see sun 15 h per day, and even when sun shine is behind the clouds.
When you didn't slept for 36 hours and still can't sleep it gets very fuckin' dark. Like, suicidal dark. Lack of sleep means not only phiscal exhaustion but most improtantly psychological one. Eventually you will start to torture yourself, worst moments of your life will come back for some reason.
Restart will feel always like a blessing, no matter it's booze induced one. Alcoholism is very bad, but it's not easy to become alcoholic. I know few addicts and they really work hard to get to that point.

To really become an alcoholic, I think you need other motivations as I haven't seen someone becoming an alcoholic solely on drinking it. I know some who drank alcohol every second day for a few months straight but they never actually became addicted. To me, alcohol is only for social fun events and a glass of wine, while working on the project is just relaxing and awesome . Can't say too much about that topic though as I'm afraid to do more harm than help with my absolutely clueless knowledge about it xD. I just wish everyone with issues like insomnia to find a sustainable solution!

I understand life can be really difficult for a lot of people all around the planet for a lot of different reasons and I know when you are feeling down getting shitfaced drunk to numb the pain can be very pleasant and 'liberating' indeed. However it is never a healthy thing to do. Alcohol has many nasty sides and can be very damaging for body and mind (as research has shown again and again) and in many cases only increases suffering instead of decreasing it. Alcohol does not care if you are an alcoholic or not, it will do damage to your brain and other parts of your body regardless. I have seen many good, intelligent well-functioning people who developed problems with alcohol and believe me, they did not 'work hard' to get that way. I think alcoholism is something that could happen to almost everyone under the right (wrong) circumstances and nobody consciously chooses to become a alcoholic. Those who use a lot of alcohol or other damaging drugs always will find ways to rationalize it and say it is not that big of a deal until there has been a lot of damage done, therefore it is always important when you are a user of this kind of stuff to research the adverse effects the drugs might have on you and to always evaluate if you are not fooling yourself by using in some way and downplaying the negative results. Don't get me wrong, I am not against the use of alcohol or other drugs but I think it is good to be aware of the adverse affects of them and not to pretend like alcohol is some kind of innocent substance that will only contribute to the well-being of the user in a positive way because it isn't.

To go more on-topic, @veqvil do you know if alcohol/drug-use will play a part in LaS? I do believe they can be a interesting plot device in these kind of stories since they can lower inhibitions and can change the way sex is experienced or the way contentiousness is manifested in all kind of beautiful ways. Also the sadist in me thinks the idea of one of girls developing a alcohol or drug-problem and suffering because of it is hot as hell :evilsmile:

Actually when you pick the movie "Games of Hunger" you can watch Amy drinking a glass of wine and gets totally drunk, as she just is not used to it. I had really fun creating that scene and this is actually something that can definitely be used by the player who wants to go the Amy Submission route. To make them addicted is something I haven't thought about, but definitely sounds like fun xD. For now, I'm sticking with making them addicted to your d*ck, at least when going the submission path :tf:

 

[ShadowManNor]

So annoying that you cant just change it and then it magically change in every picture. But hey, who likes thing simple?

If you had asked me this morning, is there anyone who can talk about the danger of alcohol, to understand and explain the edge between enjoying it and misunning it, painting a picture of how you are drawn into the depths of addiction, only to turn around and display how this can be used to pleasure the wicked mind of sexual depravities. I would have said, @n0b0dy can do such a thing. And I am so glad to see that every inch of my faith was so well placed.

If not addicted to drugs or alcohol (which would be a lot of fun as well), how about addicted to pain @veqvil ?

 

[rangaru]

If not addicted to (...) alcohol (which would be a lot of fun as well)

Real alcohol addiction isn't very good porn game material, physicaly at least IMHO. It includes a lot of vomit, smell of rotten intestines and bad kind of hopelessness and halucinations. Hard drugs are better in case of porn game, because physical addiction may occurs before destruction of your organism.
Alcohol addiction (psychological) would be fun if used on naive characters, who maybe manipulated to think that they need booze to have fun. But I personaly don't think that would suit the game with "submission" with in, because it's simply molestation, not domination.

 

[rangaru]

Can't say too much about that topic though as I'm afraid to do more harm than help with my absolutely clueless knowledge about it

There is nothing wrong in telling people your own experience. Isn't that what you are doing, when making a game? Obviously, you will missrepresent something and offend some people when doing so, but the point is that you are telling your story. There are people who want to hear it.
I don't saying that you should give us your experience with alcohol, but don't be afraid to speak your mind when your are making your game, because "it would offend someone". Even if it's porn, it's part of human creation, culture. Artist who don't speak their mind are boring.

 

[RWaites]

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[n0b0dy]

If not addicted to drugs or alcohol (which would be a lot of fun as well), how about addicted to pain @veqvil ?

Is an addiction to pain a thing? I have heard of auto-mutilation or people who purposely hurt themselves for 'spiritual means' but I have never thought of those things as addictions although I guess they could be seen that way. Is this what you mean by it or do you mean something else? I am very intrigued by the concept

Actually when you pick the movie "Games of Hunger" you can watch Amy drinking a glass of wine and gets totally drunk, as she just is not used to it. I had really fun creating that scene and this is actually something that can definitely be used by the player who wants to go the Amy Submission route. To make them addicted is something I haven't thought about, but definitely sounds like fun XD. For now, I'm sticking with making them addicted to your d*ck, at least when going the submission path :tf:

So she gets drunk from one glass of wine? Talking about low tolerance :extremelyhappy:
I made her watch the scary movie for the obvious reasons, I guess I will have to choose the other movies someday to see the other scenes.

Real alcohol addiction isn't very good porn game material, physicaly at least IMHO. It includes a lot of vomit, smell of rotten intestines and bad kind of hopelessness and halucinations.

But.. those are all things I like to see in my porn games (Well, I am not sure about the smell of rotten intestines but the other things sound great)
Also it usually takes a long time before the addict damages his health that severely, many alcohol-addicts can actually function reasonably well and still hold a job and social live. But I agree something like heroin or crack-cocaine would be better suited for a game since they speak more to the imagination.

Alcohol addiction (psychological) would be fun if used on naive characters, who maybe manipulated to think that they need booze to have fun. But I personaly don't think that would suit the game with "submission" with in, because it's simply molestation, not domination.

I don't think domination excludes molestation, they seem like they fit together very well to me

 

[User_215882]

I came to the thread to read about the game not to feel.

 

[blastwave2k]

I don't think domination excludes molestation, they seem like they fit together very well to me

as a (self assessed) healthy active (and self-appointed) card carrying member of #teamPervert , i have to totally agree with this obervation. no need to split hairs. domination, molestation, why leave any of them out. all sounds fun to me xD

 

[rangaru]

But.. those are all things I like to see in my porn games (Well, I am not sure about the smell of rotten intestines but the other things sound great)

Well, I like sadism and hard BDSM too, but I seen that stuff and alcoholism addiction borderlines guro and scat too much for my taste.

many alcohol-addicts can actually function reasonably well and still hold a job and social live.

Sure, I know shitload of "funcional alcoholics", I don't care about that very much. Even in my close family. Most of them will live shorter and have big health problem in their 80s, but they will not literally shit everyday in front of their parents or children, or beat them sensless like real alcoholics do.

I don't think domination excludes molestation, they seem like they fit together very well to me

It depends. If you are molesting, which lead to further actions and finally domination (like in RapeLay) it make sense. If you are molesting someone who don't understand what happening, it's like abusing child or retarded person, which can't have really any follow up because reciving side don't know what going on.

 

[veqvil]

There is nothing wrong in telling people your own experience. Isn't that what you are doing, when making a game? Obviously, you will missrepresent something and offend some people when doing so, but the point is that you are telling your story. There are people who want to hear it.
I don't saying that you should give us your experience with alcohol, but don't be afraid to speak your mind when your are making your game, because "it would offend someone". Even if it's porn, it's part of human creation, culture. Artist who don't speak their mind are boring.

That's the thing, I have no experience with alcohol except for casual drinking, so the lack of experience doesn't allow me to actually interpret at all ;D. This is something where I don't feel very comfortable talking about too much as this can influence ones decision making. In games though that's where I'm telling a story and I can't really fuck up my own taste and vision .

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Geez, you created a calendar? xD That's an awesome idea! I have to work something out to lay under the Christmas tree for you guys

 

[veqvil]

Is an addiction to pain a thing? I have heard of auto-mutilation or people who purposely hurt themselves for 'spiritual means' but I have never thought of those things as addictions although I guess they could be seen that way. Is this what you mean by it or do you mean something else? I am very intrigued by the concept



So she gets drunk from one glass of wine? Talking about low tolerance :extremelyhappy:
I made her watch the scary movie for the obvious reasons, I guess I will have to choose the other movies someday to see the other scenes.



But.. those are all things I like to see in my porn games (Well, I am not sure about the smell of rotten intestines but the other things sound great)
Also it usually takes a long time before the addict damages his health that severely, many alcohol-addicts can actually function reasonably well and still hold a job and social live. But I agree something like heroin or crack-cocaine would be better suited for a game since they speak more to the imagination.



I don't think domination excludes molestation, they seem like they fit together very well to me

Picking the horror movie, unfortunately, is not the ideal decision for a @n0b0dy, as it just makes Amy crawl into someones bed out of fear, can't say more! XD

as a (self assessed) healthy active (and self-appointed) card carrying member of #teamPervert , i have to totally agree with this obervation. no need to split hairs. domination, molestation, why leave any of them out. all sounds fun to me XD

Wait I don't get it, so #TeamPervert is the ultimate all genres/fetish club? Even enjoying stuff of TTDS?

Well, I like sadism and hard BDSM too, but I seen that stuff and alcoholism addiction borderlines guro and scat too much for my taste.

Sure, I know shitload of "funcional alcoholics", I don't care about that very much. Even in my close family. Most of them will live shorter and have big health problem in their 80s, but they will not literally shit everyday in front of their parents or children, or beat them sensless like real alcoholics do.

It depends. If you are molesting, which lead to further actions and finally domination (like in RapeLay) it make sense. If you are molesting someone who don't understand what happening, it's like abusing child or retarded person, which can't have really any follow up because reciving side don't know what going on.

Just as a note (not something you implied etc): There won't be guro, scat, piss and similar in LaS (I simply don't like it). I honestly wonder what element people enjoy out of those genres (this is not meant to sound sarcastic or judgemental just a real question out of curiosity, which of course is sort of ignorant since I can't really explain any of my genres as well).

Also, I agree with the molesting part, I find it kinda useless to molest a stranger in a game, as it doesn't build any relationship. It's more like "I got to avoid this creepy ass dude and never see him again" xD.

 

[ShadowManNor]

Is an addiction to pain a thing? I have heard of auto-mutilation or people who purposely hurt themselves for 'spiritual means' but I have never thought of those things as addictions although I guess they could be seen that way. Is this what you mean by it or do you mean something else? I am very intrigued by the concept

We can all get addicted to things in several ways. And pain is one of them. Just like an adrenalin addiction, the feeling of pain and what it unleashes into the body can be consciously or (more commonly) unconsciously longed after. Sometimes its just for the "simple" feeling of "feeling alive" in a monotone existence. If a person is feeling guilty, that pain might help dealing with those feeling as the have need of being punished by those who they have wronged or someone completely unrelated, they may have even been forgiven but have yet to come to terms with what they did, and then the pain is much sweeter than dealing with who you are, its that catholic feeling of that your sin are attached to you and you need to atone *coughbeckycough*. If that guilt is worse, or they are dealing with other forms of pain that wont stop, the inflicted pain becomes a way to escape the former pain. For some people who have been though abuse, that might be something they (once again not necessarily consciously) want to experience to understand them self or because in some twisted way they miss it (or feel they deserve it ect). If that abuse/pain was connected to pleasure/love, then those experiences might be so close linked that pleasure or love is something they experience or only feels real though pain and abuse. And of course masochists love pain even though that tend to be positive and not addictive, it is something that can spinn out of control in a quest to get their fix of that high, needing a new extreme. It dosnt just have to physical, all of these thing can be mental/emotional/degradation as well. Thats how you can see people living lifestyles, getting into situations or being with people they know/hope will hurt them, even if its subconsciously or they are walking willingly into it. They are drawn to it, if they see it as a solution to their problem, the damnation they deserve or just are chasing abuse like it was a drug. And of course you have the completely broken, that dont care, if you dont feel anything, then pain is better than nothing, everything is better than nothing. And... wait a minute, Im doing one of my twisted late night rables again arent I. Well to my defence, the psychology of us are interesting, we like to think of us as normal, but deep down we are all twisted and weird. But thats what make us so cool.

Picking the horror movie, unfortunately, is not the ideal decision for a @n0b0dy, as it just makes Amy crawl into someones bed out of fear, can't say more! XD

Just as a note (not something you implied etc): There won't be guro, scat, piss and similar in LaS (I simply don't like it). I honestly wonder what element people enjoy out of those genres (this is not meant to sound sarcastic or judgemental just a real question out of curiosity, which of course is sort of ignorant since I can't really explain any of my genres as well).

Also, I agree with the molesting part, I find it kinda useless to molest a stranger in a game, as it doesn't build any relationship. It's more like "I got to avoid this creepy ass dude and never see him again" XD.

You say crawling into someones bed out of fear like its a bad thing. Well I guess you could say for Amy it is a bad thing, but she has yet to understand why:evilsmile:.

Without starting to ramble again (there are many enough things about those actions that people enjoy), one of the ways a sadist could enjoy pissing on someone is pressingly the fact that they would not like that. And therefore know how the other person must hate it/feel humiliated by it. And thats why they love it. Not the action in its self, but more about the relationship and what it puts the other one though.
And I am glad to see you understand the importance in relationships, and that exploring them. To many games (and all porn) think its just about the sex or showing the kink. But without the relationship, dynamic and seeing the characters over time, that just becomes bland.

 

[Someguy01]

Wait I don't get it, so #TeamPervert is the ultimate all genres/fetish club? Even enjoying stuff of TTDS?

#TeamPervert is all in favor of everything fucked up, as long as we get to stick our dicks in it. I'd say we're actually worse than #TTDS, because we don't need the totally twisted content, but if it's there, we'll gladly consume it.

 

[blastwave2k]

#TeamPervert is all in favor of everything fucked up, as long as we get to stick our dicks in it. I'd say we're actually worse than #TTDS, because we don't need the totally twisted content, but if it's there, we'll gladly consume it.

i feel like #teamPervert is more of a big-tent kinda team xD if you told us you wanted to do the apple pie or peanut butter jar thing, i'd probably be like sure. been done, but why not. throw it on in there.

 

[Someguy01]

i feel like #teamPervert is more of a big-tent kinda team XD if you told us you wanted to do the apple pie or peanut butter jar thing, i'd probably be like sure. been done, but why not. throw it on in there.

Absolutely. Want to cum in Carol and Amy's oatmeal before breakfast? Do it! Want to jack off on their faces at night while they sleep? Do it! Want to blow a load in their face cream/soap/shampoo? Do it!

Pretty much anything you could do and make people say "Dude, that's so fucked up..." belongs in the realm of #TeamPervert.

 

[User_215882]

Damn team pervert went from 0 to 100 fast lol. Just make the content you want right now or do some polls on things you'd be ok in adding at the moment so you don't get too distracted.

 

[supermanz95]

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[46rick46]

Any link with the new Felicity Ending ?