VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[AL.d]

The fact that the internet videos are not used as a tool for drama is a total sin.

I don't know if Lacey used or not there, I think it is just a dialogue to create drama without too much thinking behind it, she feels guilty and cornered so she lashes out (so much for being non confrontational).



I have the same theory and I agree with all you said, this whole plotline has been attached as an afterthought because the author didn't find a better way to deal with the rest of the story.

The problems I have with this are better put in a list:

• He created cartoon villains with vague motivations
• There was already a lot of potential drama available
  • Lacey videos on the net, someone could have found them and started sharing them, Mc sees etc etc
  • the no NTR? he already put the seeds for MC being jealous of all the girls, why not make one of the girls get with someone else and make him jealous for it?
  • Lorenzo is still around
  • Isaac was still around
  • Damian is still around
  • Stephen coming for a visit to town OR the pimp getting invited to a college reunion
  • Lacey being recognized in the streets or at the cafe as the protagonist of porn videos
  • Mc being berated publicly often due to the Isaac video
  • Lacey losing her job and spiraling

And these are just some of the things I have in mind.
No spy games, deepfakes or whatever needed, just pure unadultered reality.

Eh, even if another girl was involved with others, people would still whine about ntr. Remember this dev is not an ntr dev really. The dedicated ones have really thick skin

One of the reasons I believe Barty got repurposed, is that the interview doesn't make sense. These are ntr villains supposedly, they want to turn girls into pornsluts. They know Lacey's past, even about oral fixation and how of an out of control slut she becomes on K. And they send their stooge for an...interview? When there is good chance they could get an actual video with Lacey in that state? I mean that's their stated goal anyway, what better chance would they have in the future? Lacey was perfectly fine with grinding on Will and letting him grope her, while just drunk. If they sent in Will with her in that state, they'd 100% have gotten a real video.

It's like the dev goes through extra hoops in that plot to avoid ntr, which makes it even more stupid because that's the villain's goal.

 

[Maviarab]

One of the reasons I believe Barty got repurposed, is that the interview doesn't make sense. These are ntr villains supposedly, they want to turn girls into pornsluts. They know Lacey's past, even about oral fixation and how of an out of control slut she becomes on K. And they send their stooge for an...interview? When there is good chance they could get an actual video with Lacey in that state? I mean that's their stated goal anyway, what better chance would they have in the future? Lacey was perfectly fine with grinding on Will and letting him grope her, while just drunk. If they sent in Will with her in that state, they'd 100% have gotten a real video.

I cannot like this enough times! The more we state it (I have numerous times) the more it makes less and less sense.

 

[Chaoticjustice]

I'm going to asssume (not going to say we should)...me....that the fan website very much is still online. I wonder exactly how many video's are actually uploaded....and I wonder (the nature of assholes and the internet being what it is)...exactly how many have been downloaded and reuploaded to other porn sites?


It makes very little sense.


(also indicates with her attitude here, she has used....exact similar tone/coldness to the 'prank morning'). Would you agree with that suggestion?

Much like this conversation too:

L "Well, you can't help okay."
L "There's nothing you can do, except let me get through this."
MC "Sure. Of course."
MC "How about a backrub?"
L "How about you just leave me alone?"
MC "I... I can do that."

She sure as hell did find a lot of K in that sweatshirt, unless as has been suggested before, Jared was supplying it to her directly to either attend or when at the 'parties'.

The more I reread the script and play...the more I find suggestive hints she has used far more than just three times.

Honestly I don't recall these conversations at all , but my god is she a piece of work

Honestly wish the MC would take a leaf from this

 

[anongamer1983]

Eh, even if another girl was involved with others, people would still whine about ntr. Remember this dev is not an ntr dev really. The dedicated ones have really thick skin

One of the reasons I believe Barty got repurposed, is that the interview doesn't make sense. These are ntr villains supposedly, they want to turn girls into pornsluts. They know Lacey's past, even about oral fixation and how of an out of control slut she becomes on K. And they send their stooge for an...interview? When there is good chance they could get an actual video with Lacey in that state? I mean that's their stated goal anyway, what better chance would they have in the future? Lacey was perfectly fine with grinding on Will and letting him grope her, while just drunk. If they sent in Will with her in that state, they'd 100% have gotten a real video.

It's like the dev goes through extra hoops in that plot to avoid ntr, which makes it even more stupid because that's the villain's goal.

As far as we know, Will never groped her. I am not saying that it didn't happen, but unless I'm missing a line somewhere, we only know that they danced for 2 dances

Also, for the Barty thing, I think they were trying to do stuff with her. Lacey even mentions that Barty tried to be with her. I think she just refused them while high on ketamine. I don't think the story shows that when Lacey was on Ketamine that she just does whatever. The Damian thing was an awful betrayal, but in Lacey's addled mind, she wasn't thinking that it was a betrayal. She thought that she "had to do it" for MC. So I could definitely be wrong, but I'm not convinced that Lacey would just fuck someone else for fun if she was on Ketamine.

 

[Maviarab]

As far as we know, Will never groped her. I am not saying that it didn't happen, but unless I'm missing a line somewhere, we only know that they danced for 2 dances

Lacey herself says this, though at the time she was annoyed with the MC so she could just be trying to get a rise/jealousy out of him.

Lacey even mentions that Barty tried to be with her. I think she just refused them while high on ketamine.

No, Barty's 4th visit was when he came around drunk and tried to force her (mentioning the videos) and she pushed him away. She was not on drugs that day.

 

[AL.d]

As far as we know, Will never groped her. I am not saying that it didn't happen, but unless I'm missing a line somewhere, we only know that they danced for 2 dances

Also, for the Barty thing, I think they were trying to do stuff with her. Lacey even mentions that Barty tried to be with her. I think she just refused them while high on ketamine. I don't think the story shows that when Lacey was on Ketamine that she just does whatever. The Damian thing was an awful betrayal, but in Lacey's addled mind, she wasn't thinking that it was a betrayal. She thought that she "had to do it" for MC. So I could definitely be wrong, but I'm not convinced that Lacey would just fuck someone else for fun if she was on Ketamine.

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You mean the same story that has her fucking teens while on K? Among the other few hundreds? I'd say that qualifies as "whatever".

And no she definitely knew she was betraying him because she saw (and ignored) the calls and read the messages. No room for interpretation there, that was straight up cheating. She wanted to fuck the dude and she did. As simple as that.

 

[anongamer1983]

Lacey herself says this, though at the time she was annoyed with the MC so she could just be trying to get a rise/jealousy out of him.

No, Barty's 4th visit was when he came around drunk and tried to force her (mentioning the videos) and she pushed him away. She was not on drugs that day.

Lacey also says that it was all a lie to make MC jealous, that she only had 2 dances with Will rather than dancing for 2 hours, and that "the only ass he was grabbing was his hot girlfriend's ass".

For Barty's visit, there's not a clear indication of exactly when the interview happened. We just know that Barty "tried to be with her" at least once. We were told by Lacey that Barty kept degrading her and that she was crying. The interview supposedly happened for a long time. I'm just saying that they might have went there with Plan A "Get Lacey to cheat" with a Plan B of "If she doesn't, then we will just make a deepfake to make it seem like she did"

 

[Maviarab]

Something else is now bothering me about the morning after MC left (the prank morning). Lot of suggestion and thoughts that she took while the MC was in the shower. Happy to accept that line of avenue for now (because she really makes zero sense)...even though, knowing the MC had come back home, it makes little sense to me. However, forgetting that for a moment....

Why did the Pimp and the Banshee come round exactly? They knew she had used? How did they know then? I've suggested before, maybe one of them got wind that Lacey 'really was planning' a tennis date that had been arranged previously (which makes more sense to me, even though Lacey says she just spoke to 'the boys'..but that could have been a confirmation)..than they supposedly knew she was on K that morning.

IIRC, Anna/Mia were there the night the MC left (when 'I' think she spiralled and got high)....so why would they leave her? Also, when MC gets home he puts her into bed...so she didn't use 'all night' that's for sure, she was asleep most of the night.

Eeehhh uggghh....

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Also going to add in....if the website is real (this could have just been Lacey goading the MC while having fun)....her 'fans' rated her 'performances'.....

...performances....

important word. According to the pimp...she was the complete opposite of the deepfake under K. Quiet, reserved, almost comotose one could say. Not a state one could 'repeatedly rate for performance' don't you think? Maybe Bastion and the deepfake was far more like the real succubus under K than either the succubus or the pimp want to admit. Is this perhaps (as has been suggested) leading back to her 'other self'?

 

[anongamer1983]

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You mean the same story that has her fucking teens while on K? Among the other few hundreds? I'd say that qualifies as "whatever".

And no she definitely knew she was betraying him because she saw (and ignored) the calls and read the messages. No room for interpretation there, that was straight up cheating. She wanted to fuck the dude and she did. As simple as that.

I have to feel like you are intentionally being dishonest here or you skipped through the text. Read that entire conversation about dancing with Will.
Then, Look at Erica and Will's conversation where Erica says "You danced with that married girl a couple times, but you didn't bother to dance with me even once" which confirms that at Lacey was lying about "dancing with will for 2 hours"

For the Damian thing, I said that she betrayed him. Lacey admitted it was cheating and that she knew. I'm saying that in her mind, she thought she needed to do it to fix their relationship. That by ripping off the bandaid, that it'd magically fix things

 

[anongamer1983]

Something else is now bothering me about the morning after MC left (the prank morning). Lot of suggestion and thoughts that she took while the MC was in the shower. Happy to accept that line of avenue for now (because she really makes zero sense)...even though, knowing the MC had come back home, it makes little sense to me. However, forgetting that for a moment....

Why did the Pimp and the Banshee come round exactly? They knew she had used? How did they know then? I've suggested before, maybe one of them got wind that Lacey 'really was planning' a tennis date that had been arranged previously (which makes more sense to me, even though Lacey says she just spoke to 'the boys'..but that could have been a confirmation)..than they supposedly knew she was on K that morning.

IIRC, Anna/Mia were there the night the MC left (when 'I' think she spiralled and got high)....so why would they leave her? Also, when MC gets home he puts her into bed...so she didn't use 'all night' that's for sure, she was asleep most of the night.

Eeehhh uggghh....

I was always under the impression that Lacey called Anna to ask to play Tennis and that's how they found out. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense that Mia and Anna would rush over there at that exact time.

As for the shower, MC recognizes that her behavior is weird even before she gets into the shower. She just seems more out of it after the shower. I personally think that Lacey used the night before and the morning of, and she's just counting them as the same time. Otherwise, maybe it's because it was the first time in almost a year that she took it, so it just hit her harder than the other 2 times?

EDIT: As for why she would use again even though MC is back?
I think it's because when she's under the influence of Ketamine, her inhibitions are lowered and she's more likely to succumb to the urge to take it. I think she still had some leftover, and took it after getting out of the shower. I mean, her life was still a mess, even if MC returned. She was still having to put up with Jared for that "promotion".

 

[Maviarab]

I have to feel like you are intentionally being dishonest here or you skipped through the text. Read that entire conversation about dancing with Will.
Then, Look at Erica and Will's conversation where Erica says "You danced with that married girl a couple times, but you didn't bother to dance with me even once" which confirms that at Lacey was lying about "dancing with will for 2 hours"

A couple of times could have been 2 hours in total....

 

[anongamer1983]

A couple of times could have been 2 hours in total....

Usually, people consider a single song "a dance", whether it's prom night, strip clubs, etc. At least that's how I've always heard and used the term. Plus, Lacey's line of "We only danced for two dances. Not two hours" also aligns with that understanding.

Sure, Lacey could be playing a game of semantics, but I have to believe that Erica wouldn't play that same game of semantics when talking to Will

 

[AL.d]

Sorry to also doubkle post, but didn't feel it belonged in my previous:

Something else is now bothering me about the morning after MC left (the prank morning). Lot of suggestion and thoughts that she took while the MC was in the shower. Happy to accept that line of avenue for now (because she really makes zero sense)...even though, knowing the MC had come back home, it makes little sense to me. However, forgetting that for a moment....

Why did the Pimp and the Banshee come round exactly? They knew she had used? How did they know then? I've suggested before, maybe one of them got wind that Lacey 'really was planning' a tennis date that had been arranged previously (which makes more sense to me, even though Lacey says she just spoke to 'the boys'..but that could have been a confirmation)..than they supposedly knew she was on K that morning.

IIRC, Anna/Mia were there the night the MC left (when 'I' think she spiralled and got high)....so why would they leave her? Also, when MC gets home he puts her into bed...so she didn't use 'all night' that's for sure, she was asleep most of the night.

Eeehhh uggghh....

Of course they knew she had used. They come in and immediately start damage control, gaslighting MC. They knew her state before they even saw her. In fact, I don't even think they actually see her in that scene. Anna even kicks him out of his own home so he doesn't see her again.

I have to feel like you are intentionally being dishonest here or you skipped through the text. Read that entire conversation about dancing with Will.
Then, Look at Erica and Will's conversation where Erica says "You danced with that married girl a couple times, but you didn't bother to dance with me even once" which confirms that at Lacey was lying about "dancing with will for 2 hours"

For the Damian thing, I said that she betrayed him. Lacey admitted it was cheating and that she knew. I'm saying that in her mind, she thought she needed to do it to fix their relationship. That by ripping off the bandaid, that it'd magically fix things

And yet nowhere in what you posted it says she was lying about being groped during those dances, no matter their number. Which Erica would have been fine with as stated in the convo with Anna. You just chose to accept Lacey's later damage control as truth. Which is fine.

You know at some point when you see the dude who you are trying to "fix", is frantically calling you to call it off and spamming messages, wouldn't you think that this won't be fixing shit? At some point we have to treat obvious excuses as just that, don't you think? Because there is always an excuse with her and you seem very willing to treat them all as actual reasoning. There always going to be some kind of excuse, even for the most despicable acts one can commit. But I believe actions say more about a person over anything else.

But you still haven't replied, do minors count as "whatever"? I mean just the number going into a couple hundreds should qualify as "whatever" but even that specifically.

And still notice I didn't use Barty. I specifically mentioned Will because it would have been easier for him. So it's not exactly whatever, it's someone she would at least find physically attractive.

 

[DeviantFun]

Eh, even if another girl was involved with others, people would still whine about ntr. Remember this dev is not an ntr dev really. The dedicated ones have really thick skin

One of the reasons I believe Barty got repurposed, is that the interview doesn't make sense. These are ntr villains supposedly, they want to turn girls into pornsluts. They know Lacey's past, even about oral fixation and how of an out of control slut she becomes on K. And they send their stooge for an...interview? When there is good chance they could get an actual video with Lacey in that state? I mean that's their stated goal anyway, what better chance would they have in the future? Lacey was perfectly fine with grinding on Will and letting him grope her, while just drunk. If they sent in Will with her in that state, they'd 100% have gotten a real video.

It's like the dev goes through extra hoops in that plot to avoid ntr, which makes it even more stupid because that's the villain's goal.

100% with you here, but it would have worked as NTR only because the Mc has this weird jealousy (is more of an attachment and abandonment issue) also with all his female friends, especially Anna and the pimp .

He also realizes that it is weird and unhealthy, and Anna is the most entitled to make her own life, she hasn't been chosen, she waited, just like MC waited for Lacey (with a couple of BIG differences).

A couple of times could have been 2 hours in total....

Come on anongamer1983 is right on this, you and Al are just trying to find fault in one of the more "innocent" things, focus on the fact that Lacey had no qualms on hitting him where it hurts because she got offended.
That was really bad behaviour, worthy of punishment.

The Will thing was well put tbh, and could have been dragged out more.
The note that Will leaves on the door was obviously hinting at something, and the author picking it up again makes me believe that Will was sort of repurposed but had a defined role.

 

[CrysusPariah2]

Not an ntr story but 'Zero End" has some similar vibes. It's urban fantasy with pretty nice drama.

Thanks for the recommendation, look forward to trying it

Both MC and Lacey work Mon-Fri right? Going through the game again, trying to pinpoint exactly 'during the week' Barty would have had the opportunities to 'purposefully' come and see the succubus porn star knowing she was in and that she was alone. Weekends are evenings are nearly always out...so has to be during the day, and I doubt very much each visit was a 5 min chat how do you do visit. Of course, the dev might not be that smart so I could just be pissing in the wind also...

This is where i would explain it away with real life gets in the way. She could have been working from home that day, taken the day off to run some errands of because of a doctors appointments, maybe she was just called in sick that day

This is the last time Barty shows up in person, tricked by Jared.

I don't think we ever got confirmation that this was Jared's doing, only the MC's assumption. I like to play with the idea that FV was playing a long game, saw the chaos of the Jared situation and decided to seize the opportunity and stir the pot and send Barty, Lorenzo and Isaac round. Also makes sense to me, as FV has access and a lot of inside information, but where would Jared have know about Barty or Lorenzo?

I'm going to asssume (not going to say we should)...me....that the fan website very much is still online. I wonder exactly how many video's are actually uploaded....and I wonder (the nature of assholes and the internet being what it is)...exactly how many have been downloaded and reuploaded to other porn sites?

I thought the same thing. I guessing this will get it's own Act at some point once the wound are no longer fresh

The more I reread the script and play...the more I find suggestive hints she has used far more than just three times.

I know what you mean. Half the time I'm attributing it to Lacey' "Other Side" in my head when she's acting out of character until we actually figure out what this side is, like when she snaps at MC when he asks about Barty or offers a backrub after the marketing party (though now in retrospect she might have been disgusted being groped all night and didn't want any more physical contact

getting invited to a college reunion.

This idea got me way to excited. Same with when you mentioned spring break a while back

I mean we could have also had (proff, if reading this feel free to use) him saying to the MC he moved on as he found out so much her time was taped and uploaded to a site and if that came out it would not be good for his career, thus causing the MC to look for it. Him not doing so after Lacey told him about the site is yet another...lost opportunity.

You can tag the Prof with baconsmoke, would love for them to be more engaged

One of the reasons I believe Barty got repurposed, is that the interview doesn't make sense. These are ntr villains supposedly, they want to turn girls into pornsluts. They know Lacey's past, even about oral fixation and how of an out of control slut she becomes on K. And they send their stooge for an...interview? When there is good chance they could get an actual video with Lacey in that state? I mean that's their stated goal anyway, what better chance would they have in the future? Lacey was perfectly fine with grinding on Will and letting him grope her, while just drunk. If they sent in Will with her in that state, they'd 100% have gotten a real video.

Will wasn't around at the time. The Interview had to have happened early in Act 1 including up to the beginning of the Jared arc. We need those timeskips to explain how the ketamine use was hidden.

Though you have just sparked an alternative theory:
The only time we know of, where Lacey stays home but MC goes to work, is the day after she was dancing with Will at the company outing and too hungover the next day. Maviarab what do you think about the audio recordings and ketamine use took place then?? She was also feeling hurt by MC due to the text message misunderstanding, which should be a decent trigger to use (The misunderstanding was only cleared up in the evening

Something else is now bothering me about the morning after MC left (the prank morning). Lot of suggestion and thoughts that she took while the MC was in the shower. Happy to accept that line of avenue for now (because she really makes zero sense)...even though, knowing the MC had come back home, it makes little sense to me. However, forgetting that for a moment....

Why did the Pimp and the Banshee come round exactly? They knew she had used? How did they know then? I've suggested before, maybe one of them got wind that Lacey 'really was planning' a tennis date that had been arranged previously (which makes more sense to me, even though Lacey says she just spoke to 'the boys'..but that could have been a confirmation)..than they supposedly knew she was on K that morning.

IIRC, Anna/Mia were there the night the MC left (when 'I' think she spiralled and got high)....so why would they leave her? Also, when MC gets home he puts her into bed...so she didn't use 'all night' that's for sure, she was asleep most of the night.

Eeehhh uggghh....

_________
Also going to add in....if the website is real (this could have just been Lacey goading the MC while having fun)....her 'fans' rated her 'performances'.....

...performances....

important word. According to the pimp...she was the complete opposite of the deepfake under K. Quiet, reserved, almost comotose one could say. Not a state one could 'repeatedly rate for performance' don't you think? Maybe Bastion and the deepfake was far more like the real succubus under K than either the succubus or the pimp want to admit. Is this perhaps (as has been suggested) leading back to her 'other self'?

I also have qualms about it.
It could have been that when she "decided" to play tennis, she also invited Anna like usual, only for her to realize that something was wrong and went into damage control mode and roped in Mia
Alternatively, and i don't like this theory, she woke up, felt sad and alone, used, then realizes MC is home after all, contacts Mia and Anna in a rush, that she has used and MC will notice, then the deepthroat, shower and practical joke occur

 

[anongamer1983]

And yet nowhere in what you posted it says she was lying about being groped during those dances, no matter their number. Which Erica would have been fine with as stated in the convo with Anna. You just chose to accept Lacey's later damage control as truth. Which is fine.

As far as we know, Will never groped her. I am not saying that it didn't happen, but unless I'm missing a line somewhere, we only know that they danced for 2 dances

I'm not entertaining your comment when you are arguing in bad faith. I quoted my original comment. You can see your response vs what my argument was

 

[anongamer1983]

Though you have just sparked an alternative theory:
The only time we know of, where Lacey stays home but MC goes to work, is the day after she was dancing with Will at the company outing and too hungover the next day. Maviarab what do you think about the audio recordings and ketamine use took place then?? She was also feeling hurt by MC due to the text message misunderstanding, which should be a decent trigger to use (The misunderstanding was only cleared up in the evening

I never thought of this, but it fits everything. The timeline issues, the motivations, etc. This is brilliant!

 

[AL.d]

Thanks for the recommendation, look forward to trying it

Be ready to be just as frustrated with that MC as with this one. If not more.

 

[anongamer1983]

CrysusPariah2 I might have found a bit of a hole though. MC did come back for lunch (4 hours?) with Lacey and they mostly fix things at lunch. Lacey doesn't seem bothered by anything except the behavior that MC seemed to have, so unfortunately, I have to think it has to be a different time. But, great outside the box thinking!

 

[Diosvincenccio]

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Mia definetly knew more than she said to MC about Barty. Its a big "oh fuck" moment for some lunch and a shoulder to cry. Plus there is a double conspiracy (the interview, plus Lacey Anna and Mia keeping the secret)