VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[Maviarab]

Oooh ok was right at the beginning. I thought was something during act 1 that i couldn't remember, thanks.

Its mentioned later when Mia drops the second suitcase (on slut or no fun path) as part of the clothes from the college times, or at least its asumed to be the same hoodie. It could have been one of the clothes that had some K. Its not entirely sure.

Lacey confirms that it is the same Hoodie she left for college with and said something about disposing of it before the MC sees it

Yes, this is on the no-fun path. Not mentioned (at the time) in the slut path (party clothes from college) or punish path (sex toys bought while shopping with the girls). The reason the pimp brings it round and how she aquired it..are also slightly different on all 3 paths.

However, talking with Crysus, I'm of the opinion it was in, on all 3 paths and that the 'sweatshirt' is the red hoodie in question. Just what happens to it differs. There's far too much emphasis and dialogue with Mia (and deflection from Mia) for this to just be a random scene (on every path) to bring round a case for Lacey to then mention it again on punish/slut nights.

 

[DeviantFun]

I don't remember when this dialogue happened, can you help me?

After one of the lessons and MC walking out (early Act 1): More for you:

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Doesn't her reply sound like she was on the morning of the prank tennis date? Cold, aloof, annoyed, uncaring, no fucks given.....

@mariorossi6 amico mio, Mav has been quicker than me, to add precision, it happens after the stephen lesson from the pimp.

Maviarab you are assigning K effects to Lacey's brain damage, she has poor control on what she says.
Sure we can say it doesn't exist and she isn't going to therapy and so on, but if we want to follow the story, we have to mix in the fact that she is often a bit without filters.
And it is not really comparable to the tennis morning, the tennis moring is super obvious, here I just see normal Lacey either backed into a corner by her own lies or omissions and a Lacey that has low ability to express her thoughts in the correct manner for the situation.

Or it is the other side seeping out. There are plenty of these bitch Lacey moments so I don't think it's the drug.

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Here is her supposedly comforting him, after him flipping out during her homecoming from getting some refreshing cheating cock. That wording screams understanding and comfort, so sweet it's diabetes inducing. Demeaning your husband after forcibly cuckolding him, truly shows some tough love.

Come on guys, I hope it is not so, this great foreshadow about this other side and then we discover that it is her being bitchy?
btw word vomit is not used as a bad term, MC describes it like that before Lacey (I need to check).

Wether it planted or not, if watched the vid Barty or whoever send to mc, the conversation Barty had with Lacey sounded like he gave her some more drugs as he asked if it finaly working, if she finaly feels good. I know the girl in the vid wasn't Lacey but the voice over was, so Barty must have drugged her more and made her say things to be used in the vid. Probably some parts of the voice over was real conversation and others AI generated.

I doubt Barty brought more drugs, maybe he did but it seems unlikely, I would have hoped that Lacey would recollect at least that, the real question is how did Barty know that Lacey was high, since he showed up with a television crew, a director and 5 production interns.

 

[mariorossi69cm]

Yes, this is on the no-fun path. Not mentioned (at the time) in the slut path (party clothes from college) or punish path (sex toys bought while shopping with the girls). The reason the pimp brings it round and how she aquired it..are also slightly different on all 3 paths.

However, talking with Crysus, I'm of the opinion it was in, on all 3 paths and that the 'sweatshirt' is the red hoodie in question. Just what happens to it differs.

It's mentioned in the no fun path, that's why I couldn't remember! I played the slut one.

DeviantFun it's been a while that I think you are from the BelPaese, Am I wrong?

 

[Maviarab]

I doubt Barty brought more drugs, maybe he did but it seems unlikely, I would have hoped that Lacey would recollect at least that, the real question is how did Barty know that Lacey was high, since he showed up with a television crew, a director and 5 production interns.

Read pm.

 

[mariorossi69cm]

So in the end, we think that the time when FV make the Barty's video is the day before the practical joke? When MC return home and find lacey naked and then she gave him a deepthroat?
It's funny that, even if the video was fake, she find her naked and drugged. Maybe it's just a coincidence or a retcon made in act2. The dev initially wanted to really have an NTR scene and then changed for a fake conspiracy to keep adding stuff.

 

[Maviarab]

So in the end, we think that the time when FV make the Barty's video is the day before the practical joke? When MC return home and find lacey naked and then she gave him a deepthroat?

No. Video is made in the 2 days prior to the king weekend. Interview...is done the day after the succubus goes out with girls from work to welcome the new employee (Muttley/Will), she dances with him, Texts the pimp instead of the MC....

Argument that night....in the morning, she gets emotional from realising her fuck up..has hangover from night out, does not go to work....takes the drugs (.this is three days after the suitcase is delivered iirc which for me, has the hoodie in it (sweatshirt) on all paths, which also contains the coke/heroin/k/whatever else is in it).

 

[DeviantFun]

It's mentioned in the no fun path, that's why I couldn't remember! I played the slut one.

DeviantFun it's been a while that I think you are from the BelPaese, Am I wrong?

It is also mentioned in the slut path!
L "Yep. An old hairbrush, some expired toothpaste... my old red hoodie that would break [MCFirst]'s heart to see."
L "Straight into the trash with that stupid thing."
L "Aaaaand the other things..."

My poor english gave me away eh Mario? you would be correct.

Read pm.

On it, was at dinner, I have a lot of catching up to do.

 

[Maviarab]

It is also mentioned in the slut path!

Correct, my bad.

On it, was at dinner, I have a lot of catching up to do.

Oh you do...you do, you do lol.

 

[AL.d]

@mariorossi6 amico mio, Mav has been quicker than me, to add precision, it happens after the stephen lesson from the pimp.

Maviarab you are assigning K effects to Lacey's brain damage, she has poor control on what she says.
Sure we can say it doesn't exist and she isn't going to therapy and so on, but if we want to follow the story, we have to mix in the fact that she is often a bit without filters.
And it is not really comparable to the tennis morning, the tennis moring is super obvious, here I just see normal Lacey either backed into a corner by her own lies or omissions and a Lacey that has low ability to express her thoughts in the correct manner for the situation.



Come on guys, I hope it is not so, this great foreshadow about this other side and then we discover that it is her being bitchy?
btw word vomit is not used as a bad term, MC describes it like that before Lacey (I need to check).



I doubt Barty brought more drugs, maybe he did but it seems unlikely, I would have hoped that Lacey would recollect at least that, the real question is how did Barty know that Lacey was high, since he showed up with a television crew, a director and 5 production interns.

Not in the context of this convo. He has used it for himself in other unrelated dialogue with Anna I think. And it still does not matter, he can say whatever he wants about himself. What she is referring to, was literally him shaking with rage, recounting the sequence of events leading to her jumping on Damian's cock. Including her dressed like a slut to go cock hunting. Word vomit and little outburst used in this context by a supposedly caring wife, is insane.

I may be wrong and this is actually how dev thinks a cheating woman comforts her cheated husband, right after enjoying another man's cock. Which would be crazy. I'd prefer it to be intentional instead of extremely bad writing though.

 

[DeviantFun]

Not in the context of this convo. He has used it for himself in other unrelated dialogue with Anna I think. And it still does not matter, he can say whatever he wants about himself. What she is referring to, was literally him shaking with rage, recounting the sequence of events leading to her jumping on Damian's cock. Including her dressed like a slut to go cock hunting. Word vomit and little outburst used in this context by a supposedly caring wife, is insane.

I may be wrong and this is actually how dev thinks a cheating woman comforts her cheated husband, right after enjoying another man's cock. Which would be crazy. I'd prefer it to be intentional instead of extremely bad writing though.

On this I agree, I am not defending her way of talking.

I mean to say that everyone and their dog seem to use this manner of speaking, so it might be just a cultural difference?
You know already that we agreed on little outburst being a disgusting way to describe your husband expressing his hurt feelings.
I think I said it in a context where I mentioned how much MC feelings and emotions are belittled and diminished by everyone in the story, first and foremost the abusive pimp and Lacey.

 

[AL.d]

On this I agree, I am not defending her way of talking.

I mean to say that everyone and their dog seem to use this manner of speaking, so it might be just a cultural difference?
You know already that we agreed on little outburst being a disgusting way to describe your husband expressing his hurt feelings.
I think I said it in a context where I mentioned how much MC feelings and emotions are belittled and diminished by everyone in the story, first and foremost the abusive pimp and Lacey.

Not everyone really. We know Mia is a blunt asshole with pretty much everyone including him. The only one I can think of who has similar distinctly demeaning moments, that don't match their general way of speaking, is Anna. Like the fragile male ego. Anna mirrors Lacey at times, in a disturbing way.

 

[DeviantFun]

Not everyone really. We know Mia is a blunt asshole with pretty much everyone including him. The only one I can think of who has similar distinctly demeaning moments, that don't match their general way of speaking, is Anna. Like the fragile male ego. Anna mirrors Lacey at times , in a disturbing way.

The pimp is the worst: diminishes his abandonment trauma, his hurt about having lost any chance to have something special with him, the fact that while he was about to kill himself she was still happily bouncing on cocks, with this:

M "I'm sorry that your wife enjoyed sex with other men."
M "I really am."
M "I don't know what to tell you."

This comes after at least 200 lines of heartfelt dialogue.
Considering that SHE is the cause of it all, you can't help it but laugh.

But she is good right? This must be the effect or her (completely unrelated) trauma!

Anna also had her "american college" lines, sure, those really made my gears grind, reducing the man she loves to a category.

 

[anongamer1983]

On this I agree, I am not defending her way of talking.

I mean to say that everyone and their dog seem to use this manner of speaking, so it might be just a cultural difference?
You know already that we agreed on little outburst being a disgusting way to describe your husband expressing his hurt feelings.
I think I said it in a context where I mentioned how much MC feelings and emotions are belittled and diminished by everyone in the story, first and foremost the abusive pimp and Lacey.

Also, we know that Lacey is a narcissist and doesn't realize she's a narcissist yet. I think it's important to compare how Lacey talks to MC before Diane vs after Diane.

 

[Maviarab]

Anna mirrors Lacey at times , in a disturbing way.

We're beginning to find out more and more unfortunately.

 

[anongamer1983]

We're beginning to find out more and more unfortunately.

I had a speculation that, similar to how Mia was the catalyst for why Lacey spiraled during Junior year, that Anna was the catalyst for why MC spiraled Junior year. I definitely feel like there is more to learn about Anna.

 

[DeviantFun]

I had a speculation that, similar to how Mia was the catalyst for why Lacey spiraled during Junior year, that Anna was the catalyst for why MC spiraled Junior year. I definitely feel like there is more to learn about Anna.

Anon, you are falling to the bad influences of these guys

Anna does have a lot of issues, but saying that she was the bad guy in MC college years is too much.
I do admit that she leaving him behind was not a great thing, but we are asking a 20yr old to deal with MC.

I mean, most of you guys would have pushed him off the cliff while singing Another one bites the dust.

 

[Maviarab]

Anon, you are falling to the bad influences of these guys

 

[AL.d]

Anna also had her "american college" lines, sure, those really made my gears grind, reducing the man she loves to a category.

If it was just that I'd say yes. But it's not. There is this very weird thing she does where she practically channels Lacey's views.

In the convo the three of them have about Jared, she is far more amenable than Mia to whatever Lacey told them off screen. Mia keeps yapping about Lacey destroying her marriage and that she will crash and burn if she goes through. Anna simply says it's too early and she should wait for later, but it's still risky. I've already said my take on what the convo is about, but whatever that was, the difference between hers and Mia's reactions is obvious.

Then we have the next toxic trio meeting, where Lacey details her plan to turn MC into a cuck for his own good. Anna starts with flower garden shit. Mia removes her self from blame, practically repeating her previous stance that Lacey will destroy her marriage. After that, Anna says she is supporting the plan.

I think there is far more toxic in that sneaky bitch, it's just that a lot of it happens behind MC's back.

 

[Scaron_the_one]

The issue with this is that it would clash with the current Lacey act 2 evolution.

She just learned that honest communication is and will be a better solution than scheming or hiding away.

If you think about her character traits (and MC character traits) this really doesn't fit:
- Lacey will always give some benefit of the doubt to MC (I know she didn't with the messages) or let him do it since she actually wants him to "make new experiences".
She wants the "love experiment", she pushes MC to kiss Anna (we will see how that goes) which is a BIG thing for him.

- MC is always portrayed as a "gentleman" (if you ignore his appalling behaviour with bethany and jeanette) and without the right push he would never go over the line, we see it with Veronica and Christine for example.
Unless the author decided to do a 180° on his character, as he does it for several other characters in act 2 to be fair, I don't see him "cheating" at this stage.

What could happen and would probably fit your thirst, is that MC is pushed or eased in having sex with someone else (3p works here as well) but Lacey is having increasing issues in dealing with it, feels her control over the situation slip, and spirals because she can visualize MC being happier with someone else.

She would start getting jealous about the emotional connection and feel sidelined, which would cause her to react, either by attacking the LI or doing something stupid (not act 1 stupid I hope we moved away from those heights) to get MC attention.



The thing is, even if we separate our own feelings, it would be a GREAT change of pace, we never experienced or seen anything like that in the game.
Act 1 is shock value event after the other, 70's/80's shoujo manga style, small, forced resolutions that eventually lead into another shock event.
Act 2 is a bit more tame, but you see the same pattern, and even the KW which could have been a good moment with some anger about the past, which could spoil it but would lead to a more meaningful exploration of the past and direct and honest conversations HAD to end with the big shock value moment.

So Act 3 having a "nice" moment, would be "subverting my expectations"

I understand, but the story must not get in the rails. This story telling is quite good due to unexpected shifts and surprises. Take a note and look on this forum. Everyone tries to keep some sense and order to the story. But this is not what makes this story so good. By doing so, they would ruin this game (Also did you try get the rpy files into AI to tell you who is the monster? Quite interesting reasoning.. but somewhat expected result..). If something unexpected happened .. it would be a great opportunity to shift the attention elsewhere. Lets pretend .. Lacey getting a similar fake pictures or videos, Lacey knows its probably a fake but oh lord they keep coming. Also Mia will get into it and similar to MC, she will try to derail her.. This could lead to short separation of the pair and unforeseen consequences that could .. again be seen in the future since Lacey cannot control her addiction and would not remember much. That alone could be fuel for entire chapter to come. I just hope the author stay out of the cliché and keep the story turning upside down as he was all the time.

 

[anongamer1983]

Anon, you are falling to the bad influences of these guys

Anna does have a lot of issues, but saying that she was the bad guy in MC college years is too much.
I do admit that she leaving him behind was not a great thing, but we are asking a 20yr old to deal with MC.

I mean, most of you guys would have pushed him off the cliff while singing Another one bites the dust.

I'm not meaning that she did anything intentional or as bad as Mia. However, MC was alone for 1 year, then had Anna for 1 year. Anna then confesses and MC rejects her, claiming he loves Lacey and can't love her. Anna then leaves MC for a few days, then comes back. Then MC starts spiraling after that. Anna stays with him until she can't put up with it anymore and leaves a second time. Then MC goes to the cliffs.

What I'm suggesting is that Anna might have been what convinced MC that Lacey was really gone forever, and MC started spiraling because he became desperate to at least get closure from Lacey (hence the texting her more and more)