VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[DeviantFun]

The different motivation applies until the moment she sees the calls and reads the messages. Everything happening after that, is Lacey doing something for herself.

It wasn't for herself, I understand the whole thing is unhinged, but her motivations there are different and aimed at some sort of improvement.

If I try to dance to your tune I could say that she wants to show MC her way of thinking and give him a way to explore his intimacy with other women, not because she thinks MC will benefit from it, but she exclusively did for herself in the hope that MC will stop pestering her about the past.

I don't subscribe to it, it is not what the story is telling us, but I can see how someone being severely disgruntled with Lacey could see it this way.

 

[AL.d]

It wasn't for herself, I understand the whole thing is unhinged, but her motivations there are different and aimed at some sort of improvement.

If I try to dance to your tune I could say that she wants to show MC her way of thinking and give him a way to explore his intimacy with other women, not because she thinks MC will benefit from it, but she exclusively did for herself in the hope that MC will stop pestering her about the past.

I don't subscribe to it, it is not what the story is telling us, but I can see how someone being severely disgruntled with Lacey could see it this way.

The story, through the author's proxy, calls her a narcissist. Which we didn't even need the proxy to know that, it's glaringly obvious. A narcissist's decisions can always be dressed as something meant for someone else. It happens a lot because it serves as rationalization of their actions even to themselves. In the end though, it's always about the narcissist's gratification in some way or form. It's the definition of the term.

And that's exactly what she does. When MC calls to remove consent (which he had barely given in the first place), she intentionally avoids him. When, as a last resort, he at least tries to establish some rules so it hurts less, she sees them and intentionally tramples them. Because adhering to them, would have lessened her gratification. What happened in that sequence of events, was the removal of the dressing and the narcissist's true decision-making process laid bare.

Honestly, I think anyone not seeing it needs a lecture by mommy Dianne.

 

[winterwolf200]

The story, through the author's proxy, calls her a narcissist. Which we didn't even need the proxy to know that, it's glaringly obvious. A narcissist's decisions can always be dressed as something meant for someone else. It happens a lot because it serves as rationalization of their actions even to themselves. In the end though, it's always about the narcissist's gratification in some way or form. It's the definition of the term.

And that's exactly what she does. When MC calls to remove consent (which he had barely given in the first place), she intentionally avoids him. When, as a last resort, he at least tries to establish some rules so it hurts less, she sees them and intentionally tramples them. Because adhering to them, would have lessened her gratification. What happened in that sequence of events, was the removal of the dressing and the narcissist's true decision-making process laid bare.

Honestly, I think anyone not seeing it needs a lecture by mommy Dianne.

She took away his "control". Like she SAID and did with Morty. So she can, supposedly, show him what she wanted to show him.
The MC got schooled on sharing.

 

[DeviantFun]

The story, through the author's proxy, calls her a narcissist. Which we didn't even need the proxy to know that, it's glaringly obvious. A narcissist's decisions can always be dressed as something meant for someone else. It happens a lot because it serves as rationalization of their actions even to themselves. In the end though, it's always about the narcissist's gratification in some way or form. It's the definition of the term.

And that's exactly what she does. When MC calls to remove consent (which he had barely given in the first place), she intentionally avoids him. When, as a last resort, he at least tries to establish some rules so it hurts less, she sees them and intentionally tramples them. Because adhering to them, would have lessened her gratification. What happened in that sequence of events, was the removal of the dressing and the narcissist's true decision-making process laid bare.

Honestly, I think anyone not seeing it needs a lecture by mommy Dianne.

I was the first one to call out Lacey on these behaviours probably months before the thread got active.
You know you're being silly when you come at me like that.

Sometimes I feel like trying to add some perspective, such as the Damian plan having a very high chance to backfire, how much of the rule breaking was intentional or not, her needing the k to go through with it...is a wasted effort.
Not because it fails to change yours, and other people's mind, but because it is rejected outright without even the minimum effort in trying to see the message.

Ffs people that have Bella as the fucking mastermind behind everything in act 1 receive more respect for their thoughts.

But ok, let's go with this 0 nuance and 0 trust approach.
Now I have to believe that Lacey is a mastermind and puppeteer so skilled (in some situations she seems so) that she knew that doing whatever the fuck she wanted would have amounted to nothing.

The same character that believed in the job and that got high ok K because she thought MC wasn't coming back after the tennis dates.

I don't know sometimes I just would like to ask you guys to take a step back from the hate and try to build a more balanced perspective.
Which is all I am asking for, not to give free passes (cit) or paint her as a bloodied and tortured saint.

 

[Maviarab]

Ffs people that have Bella as the fucking mastermind behind everything in act 1 receive more respect for their thoughts.

...that one was a classic.

I don't know sometimes I just would like to ask you guys to take a step back

I only ever post facts. When I do post theory/supposition or assumption, I clearly state it as such. Unfortunately, those facts, are pretty damning, regardless of the reason they exist.

Take it to an extreme. I go to my gf's house...there's a guy there....he saying all sorts of shit about her (like say Jared), threatens to expose her secrets, debts, health problems to the world........I swing for him....hit...he falls, splits his head open on the table.

I did it for her....was defending her and her honor. Still doesn't negate the fact I killed him....is that going to be 'excused' or 'brushed aside' because of the intent behind it?

No, it isn't. The end result is still the end result.

This is the same for Lacey. Doesn't matter why she did/does what she does....she still did it and as we know first hand...from her own mouth...because she wants to....I struggle to see how that can be defended at all at the end of the day.

 

[Fitharia]

If you take Bella's word for it. Sure. Then again, she's the woman that in spite of everything still sleeps in Jared's bed. A love story between damaged people in it's own right.

So far we don't know much about Bella, except she is from a wealthy family, Jared isn't as wealthy. She fell in love with him during first year in college or so. Who knows the family was opposed to it, but eventualy somewhat accepted it, but to find out now they were all right about him, she probably embarrased to reveal the truth to her family, so she sticks with Jared and hope she has enough control over him.

 

[DeviantFun]

...that one was a classic.


I only ever post facts. When I do post theory/supposition or assumption, I clearly state it as such. Unfortunately, those facts, are pretty damning, regardless of the reason they exist.

I am more than fine with that, look at my recent post about her job.
And I am super excited about the inconsistencies report, in fact, I downloaded l&j on the tablet to see if I can help or find more myself.
I have my own non Lacey friendly speculations, more than most people anyway.

What I am saying here is more nuanced, you can see different aspects of her personality at work in different scenarios, you can even see some desperation (all thanks to the pimp by the way).
It cannot be all reduced to: she is a narcissist so that's it.

Go back to my early posts, they are all pretty damning, I think my recent ones are still damning, I just try to build a complete picture of her personality, not justify her actions.

Lacey needs to go through a whole lot of discipline training, and a even bigger lot of truth about her past and present.

So far we don't know much about Bella, except she is from a wealthy family, Jared isn't as wealthy. She fell in love with him during first year in college or so. Who knows the family was opposed to it, but eventualy somewhat accepted it, but to find out now they were all right about him, she probably embarrased to reveal the truth to her family, so she sticks with Jared and hope she has enough control over him.

See what I mean????

Nothing against you Fitharia, I am just making a joke.

 

[Maviarab]

Lacey needs to go through a whole lot of discipline training

I agree she does....umm...are we talking about the same kind of training here?

 

[DeviantFun]

I agree she does....umm...are we talking about the same kind of training here?

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Probably I meant a more psychological approach, but she needs a hands on approach for sure, but the punish path do not give me hope.

 

[Maviarab]

Probably I meant a more psychological approach, but she needs a hands on approach for sure, but the punish path do not give me hope.

We can tag team her!

Wait..that came out wrong...though...she would proba...anyway...

You do the mental, I'll do the physical

 

[AL.d]

I was the first one to call out Lacey on these behaviours probably months before the thread got active.
You know you're being silly when you come at me like that.

Sometimes I feel like trying to add some perspective, such as the Damian plan having a very high chance to backfire, how much of the rule breaking was intentional or not, her needing the k to go through with it...is a wasted effort.
Not because it fails to change yours, and other people's mind, but because it is rejected outright without even the minimum effort in trying to see the message.

Ffs people that have Bella as the fucking mastermind behind everything in act 1 receive more respect for their thoughts.

But ok, let's go with this 0 nuance and 0 trust approach.
Now I have to believe that Lacey is a mastermind and puppeteer so skilled (in some situations she seems so) that she knew that doing whatever the fuck she wanted would have amounted to nothing.

The same character that believed in the job and that got high ok K because she thought MC wasn't coming back after the tennis dates.

I don't know sometimes I just would like to ask you guys to take a step back from the hate and try to build a more balanced perspective.
Which is all I am asking for, not to give free passes (cit) or paint her as a bloodied and tortured saint.

But needing K to do it means nothing though. She has combined K with sex hundreds of times, MC wasn't a factor in those.

Have you ever talked to someone who makes a very big deal out of something that you consider very minor? And they go on and on about it, like it's the most important thing in the world, but you really don't give a fuck and you think they are a giant pussy about it? That's how Lacey sees MC's view on sex. She literally can't get it, it does not register. She can be told that it hurts, but she is incapable of empathizing. In her mind, going through with fucking Damian no matter what, wasn't a big deal.

Yes, she is a masterful manipulator. I could show you convos of her with MC and point you exactly at what she's doing and how she's doing it, with terminology. Why expect anything more than another word vomit? MC had his little outburst and that was all, literally nothing changed regarding MC's status with her. Even threw some cucky lines in there. And after losing his cuck virginity, the jealousy date was much easier to pull off. If I was Lacey I'd call the whole thing a success. Objectively, it was.

 

[Maviarab]

But needing K to do it means nothing though

But did she. In my mind (yes this is my opinion) she had it/got it before she left. She did not conveniently find someone selling their old 'stash' (her words) within a couple of hours of getting there. That was all very premeditated. The story and dialogue do not justify her words given the context of what happens.

1. She gets there
2. Sorts room out with Veronica
3. Gets ready
4. Goes to bar
5. Suddenly decides she can't go through with it....finds a stash of K on the dark web 'just like that'...then manages to go and get it somehow (or have them deliver it)...
6. Comes back, gets changed again..snorts up...
7. Meets Bastion (who she already knew remember....)

Really...does any that make any sense in terms of her 'needing it' to go/get through it?

Sure as hell doesn't to me

 

[48914891]

Spoiler: Not from my head

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#3 just wrong. Veronica does not work at MC's company, and has no influence on hire decisions

 

[anongamer1983]

What does that or NTR got to do with her lying about therapy???

The NTR thing is how I rule out ideas of how the story advances. Author may have changed their mind, but they suggests that NTR will be optional and that this is a love story. (I admit, optional NTR may mean the option to view it or skip it like the deep fake).

Have to believe a known liar?

I believe that she's in therapy, not everything else she says. As I've stated in the past, I wouldn't necessarily be surprised if Lacey were lying about the therapy, but Author's statements lead me to believe that Lacey is trying to get better. I'm not going to die on the hill that Lacey is in therapy, but until evidence shows otherwise, I believe she's in therapy.

Sorry but right now as we are in the full story, I'm far more inclined to believe Lacey's start date is wrong, that she and Anna lied about it (I wonder where she might have been then for 6 months...bit like the mystery 4 months she was...'somewhere' after leaving 2 days after prom in April before she could attend college at the and of Aug)...and the MC's thoughts (recollections remember) are all out of whack as to when things happened...than either Veronica mistaking one month for four...and/or that Lacey goes to therapy on her own.

I thought of that too. I'm not sure if it was a mistake on the author (editing a draft and changing the mind about start dates relative to the story or whatever), but Veronica is mentioned near the beginning, so it's difficult for me to judge. If it is intentional, then my speculations are around Lacey needing to make up semesters, but hiding that fact from MC due to not wanting him to find out about her past.

Seriously, I am asking a serious question because I really cannot fathom some people's thoughts in this thread...there is no evidence...anywhere...of any clinic visit (again, what husband like the MC would not have gone with her and one could argue she gaslights the MC here too saying didn't want to bring it up lmao) or any therapy visit. None. Just her word. No proof, no paperwork, never seen taking medication...do you not think with how much 'emphasis' is placed on her damage...this might just be shown?

Again, I totally understand your reasoning here, but I just favor a different perspective. This is a story, and I think that therapy will be a big story moment, like an entire Act dedicated to it. Lacey talks about therapy to MC and Diane.

If I didn't have reason to believe that Author wants to have a story showing FMC learn how to manage her issues, then I would also be hesitant to believe Lacey without proof.

 

[AL.d]

But did she. In my mind (yes this is my opinion) she had it/got it before she left. She did not conveniently find someone selling their old 'stash' (her words) within a couple of hours of getting there. That was all very premeditated. The story and dialogue do not justify her words given the context of what happens.

1. She gets there
2. Sorts room out with Veronica
3. Gets ready
4. Goes to bar
5. Suddenly decides she can't go through with it....finds a stash of K on the dark web 'just like that'...then manages to go and get it somehow (or have them deliver it)...
6. Comes back, gets changed again..snorts up...
7. Meets Bastion (who she already knew remember....)

Really...does any that make any sense in terms of her 'needing it' to go/get through it?

Sure as hell doesn't to me

In the end the details are irrelevant. From the moment her plan to cuck him was brought up, throughout her expertly manipulating him to accept it, to the end event, she was always going to do it.

During her convo to get him on board, the dude repeats he doesn't want it like 5-6 times. If she didn't want to do it and cared about what he wants, she would have stopped there. Instead she uses manipulative dialectic and hypotheticals to mindfuck the poor fool until he says maybe. If the protests of the person hurt the most, face to face with her, weren't enough to stop her, nothing would. Phone calls and msgs are nothing, out of sight out of mind.

 

[Maviarab]

From the moment her plan to cuck him was brought up, throughout her expertly manipulating him to accept it, to the end event, she was always going to do it.

During her convo to get him on board, the dude repeats he doesn't want it like 5-6 times. If she didn't want to do it and cared about what he wants, she would have stopped there. Instead she uses manipulative dialectic and hypotheticals to mindfuck the poor fool until he says maybe. If the protests of the person hurt the most, face to face with her, weren't enough to stop her, nothing would. Phone calls and msgs are nothing, out of sight out of mind.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

Saw this on 9gag, somehow made me thing of this game.
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[CrysusPariah2]

Sorry but right now as we are in the full story, I'm far more inclined to believe Lacey's start date is wrong, that she and Anna lied about it (I wonder where she might have been then for 6 months...bit like the mystery 4 months she was...'somewhere' after leaving 2 days after prom in April before she could attend college at the and of Aug)...and the MC's thoughts (recollections remember) are all out of whack as to when things happened...than either Veronica mistaking one month for four...and/or that Lacey goes to therapy on her own.

I am liking this theory, it would clear up some of the discrepancies we are having with the timeline quite nicely, without chalking it up to writer error and instead creating more tension and mystery

will make sure to keep track of it for future updates

EDIT: for those wondering, i did put forward the idea to Mavi, that this was a mistake from early drafts of the story, events and dialogues got moved around timeline changed, and the Prof neglected to go back and fix it

In general, my rule of thumb if something is off or goes wrong, is to attribute it to incompetence and not conspiracy

 

[Maviarab]

I am liking this theory, it would clear up some of the discrepancies we are having with the timeline quite nicely, without chalking it up to writer error and instead creating more tension and mystery

will make sure to keep track of it for future updates

Still working on mine...even the start date being a month before the Veronica convo...creates some other issues....but mainly issues with MC's (timeline recollection) as we are still in the recollection period by the end of the 'three months' of hell. It fits far better though, far better.

I'm actually creating 2 timelines now btw (lol)...official as per dialogue and what 'I' think it should be, removing nearly all incosistencies. Also, sent you what I had done so far privately (I'm further ahead now btw) but the 1460 days still also bothers me. I cannot fit anywhere (reasonably neatly, you'll see this when you look at mine later).....and for me, it's another very specific thing that is highlighted for it to be wrong (MC gets it wrong remembering I mean). My secondary 'mavi timeline corrects this

I'll say it now...everything we have been debating, if it turns out to all be correct...all be 'intentional'....all 'carefully planned out'...then I will publically apologise to the professor for all my calling him out and anounce his genius. We shall see though....

 

[anongamer1983]

I'll say it now...everything we have been debating, if it turns out to all be correct...all be 'intentional....all 'carefully planned out'...then I will publically opologise to the professor and anounce his genius. We shall see though....

Only time will tell! I will say that while I certainly hope that it's all planned out and intentional, I'm not too worried if it is or isn't. The writing is good enough to have me this invested, so I'll happily keep playing, even if I have to accept some plot holes or whatever.

I hope you all know that even though I argue a lot on here, as long as everyone is arguing in good faith, I'm happy to hear opposing views!