VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[Diosvincenccio]

The only times in Act 1 that I'm aware of is

Theres one ocasion that he throws the phone againt the wall at home. But i dont remember him losing it at the bar ever.

 

[Maviarab]

Theres one ocasion that he throws the phone againt the wall at home. But i dont remember him losing it at the bar ever.

No he didn't ever lose his phone at the club/bar, you're right.

He also destroys his phone when the pimp abuses him.
Lesson 2 I think? Lesson about stephen.

Correct.

 

[anongamer1983]

Theres one ocasion that he throws the phone againt the wall at home. But i dont remember him losing it at the bar ever.

I meant that it takes place the day after Isaac confronts MC and Kelly at the bar. MC turns off his phone and drinks a lot, so the next day when people try to contact him, they can't, and they get worried because his phone is shut off and he's not home, so no one knows where he is

 

[AL.d]

Does this server engineer ever mention leaving his phone perma-hacked on purpose instead of a simple factory reset? Or is he just retarded?

I kinda know the answer but just in case I missed something.

 

[DeviantFun]

I meant that it takes place the day after Isaac confronts MC and Kelly at the bar. MC turns off his phone and drinks a lot, so the next day when people try to contact him, they can't, and they get worried because his phone is shut off and he's not home, so no one knows where he is

The fact that MC is treated like a child, phone taken away, messages deleted and then sent away after a nappy change is one of the worst infantilization of a character I have ever seen.

I don't know why or how the author wrote MC like this, he doesn't even protest.
Ofc people treating him like that is not great, actually I think it sucks.

But it does put in perspective all the "baby with a tank" Lacey keeps on throwing at him, he is seen as a literal baby.

"They are gonna murder me" is what you say about your parents when you're late for dinner, not when you are a functioning adult.

Does this server engineer ever mention leaving his phone perma-hacked on purpose instead of a simple factory reset? Or is he just retarded?



I kinda know the answer but just in case I missed something.

Same as not doing shit with Barty, or being worried that someone can access his private folder at work, or that someone has actual access to his work network.

You know, thinks you actually worry about when you're director of IT without a sec officer or compliance manager.
Since that means your data is compromised and company secrets might be leaked?

This is why I keep on hoping about the monster being a figment of his imagination, doesn't work I know, but it is better than what we have.

I also went for Lorenzo being FV hahaha.
He does have access to MC work, should know about Lacey K use, knows the pimp etc.

 

[Maviarab]

I don't know why or how the author wrote MC like this, he doesn't even protest.

It's all the time. remember the Dianne in the kitchen conversation (he does try but gets told to shut up effectively). Then with Kelly in the kitchen? Same aagin..sit there, be a good boy and don't whimper while the adults talk lol. So godamn frustrating.

I also went for Lorenzo being FV hahaha.

I've also thought of him but...really? The grudge seems to be against the MC though doesn't it? I mean, he's barely interacted with him so it fits in that aspect of the voice being 'somewhat familar but can't place'.....(though for sure Lorenzo is not there for no reason).

I mean what do we know?

Voice is familar somewhat 'to the MC'.
It's a male (unless Muttley really fucking stupid).
Has met Erica.
Did not previously know Will.
Does not know who Kelly is and seems to have no interest in Veronica.
FV doesn't seem overly interested in the girls themselves.
Has some absolute golden witty one-liners. Unique way of talking to Muttley.

I've been though all the men in the story, who have an image at least...MC would recognise all of them pretty much, Lorenzo being the least likely. They talked like what..twice, for a couple of minutes.
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Now, after being serious all damn day.,..it's time for a Mavi corker: MC at one point in the bedroom does say:

"I wish, so much that I could have prepared myself for what was going to happen."
"That the future me could have built a time machine and came back to warn me."

*shrugs*...just throwing that out there.,...you know...for reasons....maybe the Monster really is him (he does ask when he gets to be one after all).

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[AL.d]

The fact that MC is treated like a child, phone taken away, messages deleted and then sent away after a nappy change is one of the worst infantilization of a character I have ever seen.

I don't know why or how the author wrote MC like this, he doesn't even protest.
Ofc people treating him like that is not great, actually I think it sucks.

But it does put in perspective all the "baby with a tank" Lacey keeps on throwing at him, he is seen as a literal baby.

"They are gonna murder me" is what you say about your parents when you're late for dinner, not when you are a functioning adult.



Same as not doing shit with Barty, or being worried that someone can access his private folder at work, or that someone has actual access to his work network.

You know, thinks you actually worry about when you're director of IT without a sec officer or compliance manager.
Since that means your data is compromised and company secrets might be leaked?

This is why I keep on hoping about the monster being a figment of his imagination, doesn't work I know, but it is better than what we have.

I also went for Lorenzo being FV hahaha.
He does have access to MC work, should know about Lacey K use, knows the pimp etc.

Assuming (big if) that deepfake audio was fully faked and Lacey wasn't really chirpin, whomever FV is he knows a lot about very private stuff.

He knows their sexual dynamic and that MC feels inadequate. And he also knows the exact sequence of events that happened with free pass/Damian. And while Damian could have spread it, the free pass was very private.

So he either has someone inside the close circle, or actual hidden cameras (not security) with audio in every room recording 24/7. Another thing this dumbass should be probably looking at instead of planning trips.

MC is a literal child. And not even a functioning one, but a challenged child. I may consider her the most despicable bitch in the game, but Lacey's self destructive shit kinda makes some sense. Imagine condemning yourself to live with that dude 24/7 for the rest of your life, as some kind of penance. I'd probably lose it and do all kinds of marriage-sabotaging shit too

 

[Maviarab]

He knows their sexual dynamic and that MC feels inadequate. And he also knows the exact sequence of events that happened with free pass/Damian. And while Damian could have spread it, the free pass was very private.

Another thing this dumbass should be probably looking at instead of planning trips.

Yeah we are unfortunately on rails in a story where the protag is so inept...it's difficult. As soon as I found out the video was fake (forgetting everything beforehand), I'd be in a hotel room next to Kelly (with Lacey) that very same godamn night. Not spending 2 more nights there! The level of incompetence is...beyond...well..as I've said, it's infuriating.

Imagine condemning yourself to live with that dude 24/7 for the rest of your life, as some kind of penance. I'd probably lose it and do all kinds of marriage-sabotaging shit too

 

[DeviantFun]

Assuming (big if) that deepfake audio was fully faked and Lacey wasn't really chirpin, whomever FV is he knows a lot about very private stuff.

He knows their sexual dynamic and that MC feels inadequate. And he also knows the exact sequence of events that happened with free pass/Damian. And while Damian could have spread it, the free pass was very private.

So he either has someone inside the close circle, or actual hidden cameras (not security) with audio in every room recording 24/7. Another thing this dumbass should be probably looking at instead of planning trips.

MC is a literal child. And not even a functioning one, but a challenged child. I may consider her the most despicable bitch in the game, but Lacey's self destructive shit kinda makes some sense. Imagine condemning yourself to live with that dude 24/7 for the rest of your life, as some kind of penance. I'd probably lose it and do all kinds of marriage-sabotaging shit too

The audio definitely has some true parts, so there might be some information gathered there.

Yeah the Vegas trip in itself is....bad, the timing, who to bring, the reason.....a group honeymoon?

But look at the simple things, Lacey doesn't come home until very late during the night with Will.

MC stays on the sofa, thats it, tries to call her a couple.of times, nothing else.
Call one of her colleagues that are comveniently your friends? Go check at the office? Do something aside from looking at the TV?

The day after is even worse, he is a total limp, leta Lacey getting away with everything, not even worried about what happened.
And he loses the chance to drop a nice zinger when Lacey says: I am definitely not in college anymore.

I mean it is offered on a silver platter, anything about not being surrounded by cocks or covered in cum could have worked, or if he wanted to get heavy, something abiut them talking or ghosting.

And we are supposed to believe that this MC "changes destinies" praphrasing from what he has been told.
People meet him and change their lives, forever in love with a stunted child.

I dont want to get all philosophical with you, but the fact that he is incapable of evil, like completely so.
Cuddles Isaac (fuck that), cuddles Christine , feels bad for Jared, forgives everyone and everything at a first glance....really makes me think of a weak man.
Strong men choose to be good, weak men have no choice.

Btw I know it can't be Lorenzo, unless we are really going full on whacky racers.

 

[Fitharia]

The audio definitely has some true parts, so there might be some information gathered there.

Yeah the Vegas trip in itself is....bad, the timing, who to bring, the reason.....a group honeymoon?

But look at the simple things, Lacey doesn't come home until very late during the night with Will.

MC stays on the sofa, thats it, tries to call her a couple.of times, nothing else.
Call one of her colleagues that are comveniently your friends? Go check at the office? Do something aside from looking at the TV?

The day after is even worse, he is a total limp, leta Lacey getting away with everything, not even worried about what happened.
And he loses the chance to drop a nice zinger when Lacey says: I am definitely not in college anymore.

I mean it is offered on a silver platter, anything about not being surrounded by cocks or covered in cum could have worked, or if he wanted to get heavy, something abiut them talking or ghosting.

And we are supposed to believe that this MC "changes destinies" praphrasing from what he has been told.
People meet him and change their lives, forever in love with a stunted child.

I dont want to get all philosophical with you, but the fact that he is incapable of evil, like completely so.
Cuddles Isaac (fuck that), cuddles Christine , feels bad for Jared, forgives everyone and everything at a first glance....really makes me think of a weak man.
Strong men choose to be good, weak men have no choice.

Btw I know it can't be Lorenzo, unless we are really going full on whacky racers.

I don't think the Vegas trip is a bad timing, it perfect to delay the plans Barty and Will has for the K girls.

The mc though is a dweeb yea, passive, takes 3 weeks to even find out his bitch lied to him. Get's childish tantrums when he discover bad things, even he already know them, get even more bad tantrums about it. And other moments he is suddenly a super spy agent who can solve any crappy shit that going to happen to Lacey, but when it comes to his own relation he suddenly back a dweeb.

Now the forgiving part, is far from weak, it takes alot courage and self control to forgive bad people, how hard they even hurt you or messed up your life. It a lot easier to take revenge and destroy them back, but that makes you just as stupid and a loser as those that did it too you.

Overall the mc is kinda confusing to me, partly he is a childish dweeb, partly he is genius and partly he is couragious, but he changes so fast it annoying.

 

[Maviarab]

I am definitely not in college anymore.

Maybe stop fucking acting like you are then Lacey.....

Are the words that first came to my mind rofl.

 

[DeviantFun]

I don't think the Vegas trip is a bad timing, it perfect to delay the plans Barty and Will has for the K girls.

The mc though is a dweeb yea, passive, takes 3 weeks to even find out his bitch lied to him. Get's childish tantrums when he discover bad things, even he already know them, get even more bad tantrums about it. And other moments he is suddenly a super spy agent who can solve any crappy shit that going to happen to Lacey, but when it comes to his own relation he suddenly back a dweeb.

Now the forgiving part, is far from weak, it takes alot courage and self control to forgive bad people, how hard they even hurt you or messed up your life. It a lot easier to take revenge and destroy them back, but that makes you just as stupid and a loser as those that did it too you.

Overall the mc is kinda confusing to me, partly he is a childish dweeb, partly he is genius and partly he is couragious, but he changes so fast it annoying.

I guess the rest of the cast rubben in on you and you also started invalidating his more than reasonable feelings, defining them as tantrums.

In fact, he does not do them nearly enough or follow through with them.

The Vegas trip is an abysmal course of action, there is stuff going on, you need to act, not go to play some slots and watch an elvis impersonator.
The only trip he should have made was to Barty's front door.
What the fuck are we talking about??

Some things cannot be forgiven, MC forgives because he is too weak to do anything else.
When he talks with Lacey or others he underlines that he didn't forgive yet, but then he goes on as nothing ever happened (after Damian for example).

MC keeps on calling himself an asshole, when he is not acting like one and is only grieving, and yet does the most assholish thing ever: forgives and befriends Isaac.
"Uh uh I don't want to but he is so hurt ue ue".

The man that was not even looking at Kelly's face, the one that literally says "I would recognize those tits everywhere", (yes because Isaac got completely rewritten, he does not fit at all with act 1 Isaac)

Don't give a fuck about Kelly? This man tried to break up your marriage just a few days before.

Don't care about that either? He got you humiliated forever on the net.

Forgiveness given out like water (cit.) Is just weakness.

Maybe stop fucking acting like you are then Lacey.....

Are the words that first came to my mind rofl.

Well you are more of agentleman than me then, my retorts were more colourful.

 

[Fitharia]

I guess the rest of the cast rubben in on you and you also started invalidating his more than reasonable feelings, defining them as tantrums.

In fact, he does not do them nearly enough or follow through with them.

The Vegas trip is an abysmal course of action, there is stuff going on, you need to act, not go to play some slots and watch an elvis impersonator.
The only trip he should have made was to Barty's front door.
What the fuck are we talking about??

Some things cannot be forgiven, MC forgives because he is too weak to do anything else.
When he talks with Lacey or others he underlines that he didn't forgive yet, but then he goes on as nothing ever happened (after Damian for example).

MC keeps on calling himself an asshole, when he is not acting like one and is only grieving, and yet does the most assholish thing ever: forgives and befriends Isaac.
"Uh uh I don't want to but he is so hurt ue ue".

The man that was not even looking at Kelly's face, the one that literally says "I would recognize those tits everywhere", (yes because Isaac got completely rewritten, he does not fit at all with act 1 Isaac)

Don't give a fuck about Kelly? This man tried to break up your marriage just a few days before.

Don't care about that either? He got you humiliated forever on the net.

Forgiveness given out like water (cit.) Is just weakness.

I call them tantrums as you can't simply change the past, and whatever Lacey done during college peroid was before they even became a thing, you can't blame a woman for having sex with other men if it happened before you became a couple. Okay he knew her from before too, but there was never an agreement to be a couple or such. So yea he is a tard boy on those accusations. But overall he just doesn't have a real personality as he constant switch from one to another, back to one from before to back to another.

And about that deepfake vid, he should gone to the cops, not go to Barty's door, coze if he hits Barty or whatever he does to Barty it will only end for him to get jailed for agressive assault on unharmed man. And i don't say he should forgive every bad guy, as most don't deserve forgiveness.

Isaac indeed as also different personalities, in college he looked more like an abusive rapist, that only get off on ramming a girls holes open till they bleed. While after college he looks more like a desperate for love school boy.

And it not uncommon for some men to become friends with their gf's ex fuckboys, i met several man who married and they were friends with some of their wives ex fucktoys from before they met eachother.

I know the mc calls himself an asshole, but not sure that really fit him, I would rather call him a switch boy, because his personality change like crazy, one moment he got a backbone, other moments he gets angry for whatever she done before they became a couple, then other moments he uis just passive and accept everything. It like he just act the way he wants to act at the moment he wants to act a certain personality. Or he is one of those nutcases with multiple personalities and should be locked up.

The only thing I can agree on, the MC is just a weak shit, that doesn't deserve to be loved and yes he is maybe an asshole for the fact he makes so many women get feelings for him, but shut them down the minute they try act on it and say Lacey is the only one for him.

 

[DeviantFun]

I call them tantrums as you can't simply change the past, and whatever Lacey done during college peroid was before they even became a thing, you can't blame a woman for having sex with other men if it happened before you became a couple. Okay he knew her from before too, but there was never an agreement to be a couple or such. So yea he is a tard boy on those accusations. But overall he just doesn't have a real personality as he constant switch from one to another, back to one from before to back to another.

And about that deepfake vid, he should gone to the cops, not go to Barty's door, coze if he hits Barty or whatever he does to Barty it will only end for him to get jailed for agressive assault on unharmed man. And i don't say he should forgive every bad guy, as most don't deserve forgiveness.

Isaac indeed as also different personalities, in college he looked more like an abusive rapist, that only get off on ramming a girls holes open till they bleed. While after college he looks more like a desperate for love school boy.

And it not uncommon for some men to become friends with their gf's ex fuckboys, i met several man who married and they were friends with some of their wives ex fucktoys from before they met eachother.

I know the mc calls himself an asshole, but not sure that really fit him, I would rather call him a switch boy, because his personality change like crazy, one moment he got a backbone, other moments he gets angry for whatever she done before they became a couple, then other moments he uis just passive and accept everything. It like he just act the way he wants to act at the moment he wants to act a certain personality. Or he is one of those nutcases with multiple personalities and should be locked up.

The only thing I can agree on, the MC is just a weak shit, that doesn't deserve to be loved and yes he is maybe an asshole for the fact he makes so many women get feelings for him, but shut them down the minute they try act on it and say Lacey is the only one for him.

It is stated often, by Lacey, that they were a thing before college, so I am very surprised this rethoric is still around.
In my life I don't think I ever "agreed" to be a couple, it just happens most of the time, at least after puberty (or marriage ofc)

I don't know what story you are referring to, because in L&J, what happens is that one "tard boy" as you call him, saves a girl and dedicates his life to her for 13 years, they are both in love and then the girl decides to abandon him like a piece of toilet paper after use.

The girl is very sad for two years and then finds an abuser that ruins her chances to be normal and becomes a human toilet.
The boy is very sad and gets ghosted like he means nothing (the boy cannot know what we know).
The boy gets so sad that he wants to kill himself, but contrary to when it happened to sad girl no one is there for him.

Sed toilet girl comes back and lies, create drama and cheats like there is no tomorrow, end of act 1.

When you hurt someone, you have no right to speak on how they should deal with their pain, in fact the pimp does this often, and she is the worst character in this story.
If they want to shout you let them shout, if they want to complain you let them complain.
If I drive on your foot with my car, I can't step out and tell you to get over it because it is in the past.
I take accountability and make amends, because I fucked up and you are the victim.

Also it is so silly, her past is literally everywhere in their present, constantly.
MC wrongly tries leave the past behind a lot, like you suggest tbh.

Lacey attitude most of the time is one of forcing acceptance, instead of accountability and atonement, she even tries to give him a time limit for how long he should be pissed off at some point.

Luckily in act 2 we see way more accountability, and the level of abuse MC suffered even in the early 13 years.

Isaac is not just a "fuckboy" or whatever, he is part of the reason MC almost died.
He is the reason of many things happened in act 1.
The difference of character is from act 1 to act 2, they are two different people, one looks at Kelly's tits, the other complains that "oh mama I got no love" (I know he says the same in act 1 it is just way different), they are not the same person.

Anyway, enough about this, yes MC is boring, yes he is a witness, but he has all the right in the world to be pissed off like a yellow jacket on Angel dust about the past, the present and if the course doesn't change, the future.

Edit:
And we forgot the worst thing about MC:
His wardrobe.

 

[AL.d]

I call them tantrums as you can't simply change the past, and whatever Lacey done during college peroid was before they even became a thing, you can't blame a woman for having sex with other men if it happened before you became a couple. Okay he knew her from before too, but there was never an agreement to be a couple or such. So yea he is a tard boy on those accusations.

No, they were a couple before. Game clearly says that and how Lacey wouldn't let him do basic couple things. And then dumped him to go bang the 300 Spartans.

Also you seem to be forgetting she actually deceived him and hid her past in order to marry him. Marriage is a contract, hiding something that would have cancelled the marriage if known before hand, makes the contract null and void. He has every right to accuse her of being a deceiving bitch. And before you go "why doesn't he divorce her", she repeatedly emotionally blackmails with suicide at the slightest hint of divorce.

And about that deepfake vid, he should gone to the cops, not go to Barty's door, coze if he hits Barty or whatever he does to Barty it will only end for him to get jailed for agressive assault on unharmed man. And i don't say he should forgive every bad guy, as most don't deserve forgiveness.

Barty wouldn't do shit. I can make you a list with the illegal shit he has done, alleged sexual assault being at the top of it. Who do you think gets jailed when all that comes to light?

And it not uncommon for some men to become friends with their gf's ex fuckboys, i met several man who married and they were friends with some of their wives current fuck buddies.

Here, fixed that for you.

 

[Darmokhisarmswide]

I stumbled upon something and do not know if this has been talked about yet in this thread (not going to reread all of it …):

Somewhere at the beginning of act 2, the girls are feeding „tres leches“ cake to the MC, Mia has made it. MC is an agitated state but suddenly calms down after eating the cake and doesn’t even remember that he had cake, eating some more. Are the girls feeding him Ketamine here to counter his PTSD? All of them seem in to the plot. What is there goal here??

 

[Maviarab]

Alright guys, is here:

All dates such as (Apr/May) I have taken as Last day of month/First day of month. This is how I have (accurately I might add with a calendar) deduced my days regarding the time apart and MC's 1460 days. Yes he could just be referrring to 4 years of college (I admit that makes sense), but it's much, much longer as you will see. I address this in my timeline.

There are currently four things I cannot fix, in any version, as they literally make zero sense. These are:

1. Lacey's week away. Was supposed to be Wed to Sun (then 'extended to a week'. It's actually Wed to the following Friday. 10 days from day leaving to day returning. The first week is easier to deal with, however, the second week (Mon to Fri) is much more difficult to play around with. I'm going to assume another dev error (like the two Wednesday's in Act 2) Far too much happens on each day and especially each night. As an aside, Lacey's plan was also supposed to be on the 'first night' away. Now this leads to an extra issue.

2. The Fri night of the succubus returning we get the 'One week without hurting the MC speech'. 4 days later, she tells the MC she only lasted 6 days. Again, without some major...major meshing of her week away, this cannot be fixed. However, both of these are very small things and not terribly important in the grand scheme of things, they do not break anything else in the timeline so are being left.

3. Christine start date is off (given she working every day). Can't be helped, is another minor thing ultimately. Her wanting to concentrate on last semester (when she hands in resignation) and when she is expected to get her degree now fit perfectly in my 'Alt' timeline.

4. Lacey playing tennis in winter. This one annoys me greatly but it can't be helped. The dev doesn't care about showing seasons/holidays etc (so why should I?) so I'm just going to let this one go, besides, if it's set somewhere like Southern Cali (which could make sense given the emphasis on 'going to the East Coast' etc), then this would actually be fine. One of those things just going to have to overlook.

Now let me explain a few things first regarding my alternative timeline.

It is never explicitly stated the cliff phone call was in junior year. Yes, the whole dialogue stream starts with Junior year and ends with 'Anna stayed true to her word and remained a great friend through my Senior year' and does make it appear it is. Thats all though, nothing else...so Isaac has been moved to senior year and Lacey's slut time has been adjusted. This also ties in well Lacey's last 'hurrah' being shortly before she leaves college. Really, far more logical to do it here. Also makes more sense why Isaac is still hung up on her...as it's been less than two years that the script makes it initially appear and also when the MC says 'over two years ago'....you notice Lacey says nothing (it will be 2 years ago on their anniversary, only 12 months for Lacey when they got married).

Now, think about this logically. MC is fixated on 4 years (not three years until he hears from Lacey). It is also makes sense, when thinking logically, for him to have taken his 'missed/lost semester' at the end of the year he lost it, not 12 months later. That's logical, right? This ties in nicely with the above, especially as Lacey herself states the MC spent four and a half years in college and that:

The succubus says in the brutal conversation in the bedroom, that she then made him wait another entire year 'after' the cliff call to see her. It lines up much, much better if that phone call was just before 'she graduated''. The MC then does another 6 months in college (he states he did it alone as Anna graduated). This ties in nicely with the 12 months since the call before she turns up at his door. It just makes sense. Don't even need to try and shoehorn this in to fit. It just fits naturally with no work. It's far more logical and makes far more sense. Remember, MC college time is seriously messed up in his recollections.

Which leads me to:

1. Lacey cannot possibly have started 2 days after Anna (who got a job immediately after graduating) and...Veronica's conversation with Lacey regarding promotion. So:

LINE 2136 (from scene001.rpy) is changed from "company policy you have to work here for three months before getting a promotion" to 'twelve months' and her 'start date' has been adjusted (will just assume MC misunderstood or remembers incorrectly). This also fits in very, very nicely with why Lacey may have been tempted by Jared's 'job offer' and got close to him.

2. When in the pizza place (day of Evan accosting Lacey in the shower) the MC chews Lacey out for playing tennis with 'the boys' for 2 months twice a week. This cannot fit anywhere, no matter what I do. It just doesn't work. Trying to increase this period of time to two months (within the three months of Mia's lessons) just does not work. So:

LINE 4278 (from scene001.rpy) is changed from "two months" to 'just over a month'. Actually refers to the correct time period but is still vague'ish. Sorry, but for me, there is no way that Jared would play tennis with Lacey for 2 months. He is a predator, the timeline I have of him going after her is much more concise now. This also, coincidentally, works alongside her new start date. I refuse to believe he took over twelve months to 'hunt her down', even if did he have a currentl supply room slut. It all works better now.

Final Note:

I have tried my best to do this using real world dates. The dev is making a serious story set in the real world, using real world events (prom, college, Isaac being NFL QB etc etc). All of these events have very fixed definitive dates. They cannot change. So the overall 'timeline' (my date/months column) may seem weird once college is done...those are only really used as markers to show the passing of time. However, the anniversary is now placed logically in regards to not only when they got married, but everything else.

Note regarding my 'presumptious' Ket uses/and or something else in the timeline.

Lacey says she has no access to a dealer in the city...right? However, she also says she fell off the bandwagon a 'few times' before marriage. She was already in the city at this point (supposedly working but see my earlier points regarding this). So where did this shit come from? She just found it lying around somewhere? Mia brought it round when she arrived in the city for the job? More lies.

Come on....she has always been able to get it, and still does/can and is still very much an active addict. She is also a recovering alcoholic. When you need it to start your day, get through the day and then again at night...you have a serious fucking problem. Ket withdrawal rarely cause physical sickness, alcohol use does. She drank a lot. And guess what, as we see, plain facts, she still does. A lot.

You know what goes hand in hand with serious alcohol use? I'll give you three guesses.

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For those who know what they are doing, just change the script lines mentioned above. If not confident, then a 'fixed' script is included in the zip file, just throw into the 'game' folder of the VN like you would any other mod and overwrite.

The dev seems to be very loose with his own timline so this has taken some damn time wrapping my head around and understanding all the inconsistencies to try and fix it, so I hope it brings some interest to some of you.


Edit: 21/08/25 - Couple of event/notes changes.

 

[anongamer1983]

I stumbled upon something and do not know if this has been talked about yet in this thread (not going to reread all of it …):

Somewhere at the beginning of act 2, the girls are feeding „tres leches“ cake to the MC, Mia has made it. MC is an agitated state but suddenly calms down after eating the cake and doesn’t even remember that he had cake, eating some more. Are the girls feeding him Ketamine here to counter his PTSD? All of them seem in to the plot. What is there goal here??

No, at least not based on what is stated. It seems to be a form of PTSD from everything. We don't know if it's something MC had from before college, gained during college, or just gained recently. However, our best understanding is that it is PTSD related, not ketamine related. When MC starts (before eating the cake), they warn Veronica that she's about to see weird behavior from MC

 

[Maviarab]

I stumbled upon something and do not know if this has been talked about yet in this thread (not going to reread all of it …):

Somewhere at the beginning of act 2, the girls are feeding „tres leches“ cake to the MC, Mia has made it. MC is an agitated state but suddenly calms down after eating the cake and doesn’t even remember that he had cake, eating some more. Are the girls feeding him Ketamine here to counter his PTSD? All of them seem in to the plot. What is there goal here??

He has a small mental break...completely forgets what happened (why Lacey says "Oh thank God") and they continue and keep him calm.

No, at least not based on what is stated. It seems to be a form of PTSD from everything. We don't know if it's something MC had from before college, gained during college, or just gained recently. However, our best understanding is that it is PTSD related, not ketamine related. When MC starts (before eating the cake), they warn Veronica that she's about to see weird behavior from MC

My timeline now highlights all his episodes, when they come....you can see how quickly they start escalating plainly.

 

[anongamer1983]

Alright guys, is here:

All dates such as (Apr/May) I have taken as Last day of month/First day of month. This is how I have (accurately I might add with a calendar) deduced my days regarding the time apart and MC's 1460 days. Yes he could just be referrring to 4 years of college (I admit that makes sense), but it's much, much longer as you will see. I address this in my timeline.

There are currently four things I cannot fix, in any version, as they literally make zero sense. These are:

1. Lacey's week away. Was supposed to be Thu to Sun (then 'extended to a week'. It's actually Wed to the following Friday. 10 days from day leaving to day returning. The first week is easier to deal with, however, the second week (Mon to Fri) is much more difficult to play around with. I'm going to assume another dev error (like the two Wednesday's in Act 2) Far too much happens on each day and especially each night. Now this leads to an extra issue.

2. The Fri night of the succubus returning we get the 'One week without hurting the MC speech'. 4 days later, she tells the MC she only lasted 6 days. Again, without some major...major meshing of her week away, this cannot be fixed. However, both of these are very small things and not terribly important in the grand scheme of things, they do not break anything else in the timeline so are being left.

3. Christine start date is off (given she working every day). Can't be helped, is another minor thing ultimately. Her wanting to concentrate on last semester (when she hands in resignation) and when she is expected to get her degree now fit perfectly in my 'Alt' timeline.

4. Lacey playing tennis in winter. This one annoys me greatly but it can't be helped. The dev doesn't care about showing seasons/holidays etc (so why should I?) so I'm just going to let this one go, besides, if it's set somewhere like Southern Cali (which could make sense given the emphasis on 'going to the East Coast' etc), then this would actually be fine. One of those things just going to have to overlook.

Now let me explain a few things first regarding my alternative timeline.

It is never explicitly stated the cliff phone call was in junior year. Yes, the whole dialogue stream starts with Junior year and ends with 'Anna stayed true to her word and remained a great friend through my Senior year' and does make it appear it is. Thats all though, nothing else...so Isaac has been moved to senior year and Lacey's slut time has been adjusted.

Now, think about this logically. MC is fixated on 4 years (not three years until he hears from Lacey). It is also makes sense, when thinking logically, for him to have taken his 'missed/lost semester' at the end of the year he lost it, not 12 months later. That's logical, right? This ties in nicely with the above, especially as Lacey herself states the MC spent four and a half years in college and that:

The succubus says in the brutal conversation in the bedroom, that she then made him wait another entire year 'after' the cliff call to see her. It lines up much, much better if that phone call was just before 'she graduated''. The MC then does another 6 months in college (he states he did it alone as Anna graduated). This ties in nicely with the 12 months since the call before she turns up at his door. It just makes sense. Don't even need to try and shoehorn this in to fit. It just fits naturally with no work. It's far more logical and makes far more sense. Remember, MC college time is seriously messed up in his recollections.

Which leads me to:

1. Lacey cannot possibly have started 2 days after Anna (who got a job immediately after graduating) and...Veronica's conversation with Lacey regarding promotion. So:

LINE 2136 (from scene001.rpy) is changed from "company policy you have to work here for three months before getting a promotion" to 'twelve months' and her 'start date' has been adjusted (will just assume MC misunderstood or remembers incorrectly). This also fits in very, very nicely with why Lacey may have been tempted by Jared's 'job offer' and got close to him.

2. When in the pizza place (day of Evan accosting Lacey in the shower) the MC chews Lacey out for playing tennis with 'the boys' for 2 months twice a week. This cannot fit anywhere, no matter what I do. It just doesn't work. Trying to increase this period of time to two months (within the three months of Mia's lessons) just does not work. So:

LINE 4278 (from scene001.rpy) is changed from "two months" to 'just over a month'. Actually refers to the correct time period but is still vague'ish. Sorry, but for me, there is no way that Jared would play tennis with Lacey for 2 months. He is a predator, the timeline I have of him going after her is much more concise now. This also, coincidentally, works alongside her new start date. I refuse to believe he took over twelve months to 'hunt her down', even if did he have a currentl supply room slut. It all works better now.

Final Note:

I have tried my best to do this using real world dates. The dev is making a serious story set in the real world, using real world events (prom, college, Isaac being NFL QB etc etc). All of these events have very fixed definitive dates. They cannot change. So the overall 'timeline' (my date/months column) may seem weird once college is done...those are only really used as markers to show the passing of time. However, the anniversary is now placed logically in regards to not only when they got married, but everything else.

Note regarding my 'presumptious' Ket uses/and or something else in the timeline.

Lacey says she has no access to a dealer in the city...right? However, she also says she fell off the bandwagon a 'few times' before marriage. She was already in the city at this point (supposedly working but see my earlier points regarding this). So where did this shit come from? She just found it lying around somewhere? Mia brought it round when she arrived in the city for the job? More lies.

Come on....she has always been able to get it, and still does/can and is still very much an active addict. She is also a recovering alcoholic. When you need it to start your day, get through the day and then again at night...you have a serious fucking problem. Ket withdrawal rarely cause physical sickness, alcohol use does. She drank a lot. And guess what, as we see, plain facts, she still does. A lot.

You know what goes hand in hand with serious alcohol use? I'll give you three guesses.

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For those who know what they are doing, just change the script lines mentioned above. If not confident, then a 'fixed' script is included in the zip file, just throw into the 'game' folder of the VN like you would any other mod and overwrite.

The dev seems to be very loose with his own timline so this has taken some damn time wrapping my head around and understanding all the inconsistencies to try and fix it, so I hope it brings some interest to some of you.

I like most of it, but Lacey did mention the Ketamine to the MC after Mia tries to get her to relapse! What she doesn't say is what happened to all the Ketamine
Regardless, very well done, and congratulations on your efforts!