VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[DeviantFun]

One comment every one talking about lacey and the mc during college. Did the mc even one time go to or attempt to meet with lacey those 4 years? No he texted her. He could have gone and visited and perhaps stopped her from becoming what she did.

and I an still 100 percent in the camp that without Mia Lacey would not have done 90 percent of what she did with other men in college. Mia abused an at risk person and turned her into a whore.

what i however wish the game would allow is a path with strong mc that tells lacey no you cant live stream and no you cant meet others to pull her back from her distructive behaviors. This is the main issue I have the MC is not a strong presence in her life after college unlike when they were younger. He is allowing lacey to destroy them instead of being strong and stopping it

Exactly my thoughts - easy to have a path where he does that. He rescues the girl loves from the clutches of the vile users she is with.
it would be a much better story.

The funny thing is, MC did not know where she was, yet Anna magically managed to find her in a relatively short time.

I mean, it is fine to close contact with someone that clearly shown that is not interested in having any contact with you, Lacey did just that.

You obviously are right about the pimp, it is very sad that the author is showing down our throats that she should be a misunderstood but deeply good person while he keeps on adding to her monstrous behaviour at every turn.
Look at something that is thrown in as a funny thing during the kw and everyone reacts positively to: she states that she seduced the girlfriend of a person she didn't like to make a video and then use it against him (she then kept it for herself).
Considering that the pimp hates men and generally do not like people (she says this often) this guy could be simply a person that confronted her when she uses her "sass" (I won't go in depth again about her sass essentially being a bad version of mean girls humor), and even if he was a POS, her actions show how much of a shit person she is, but everyone applauds her.

And as Diosvincenccio says, MC is very damaged, and I would have been fine with it IF he also had strengths or if Lacey was his kryptonite.
I am not advocating for a gigachad whatever guy, it would have been even more boring.
Go on, show his pain, show his weakness but also give us the means to see his strengths a man with some sort of backbone.
When MC was about to leave for an hotel in the beginning of act 2 I had to change my underwear, he should have gone, broken, suffering, but resolute for once.
I wouldn't have minded if he came back too, but I need to see some resolve, some willingness.
Even when he kicked Isaac out, he seemed the usual "too kind" MC but he put his foot down, we all know how it ended.
If we go even back, at the discussion at the cliffs after Bastian (or is it bastion now?) he shows a bit of resolve, but then we see it is simply a mask for the usual witness behaviour.
He seems willing only when it comes to being cucked.

 

[MightbeSomeone]

He could have researched and found out where she was. He sent a few text and that was it.

and yes he was broken , but once he reconnects with her and they marry he needed to be the spine of the relationship and her protector again and not just her slave.
and there should be a path in the game to do that . To have a better outcome to show the player how life could be different.

but my 100 percent main issue with the game was the live stream - when lacey went against his wishes and even against mia and did it. The mc should have left at that point.
And the dev should have given the option to lacey not doing it with the mc telling her if she did he would leave her and would not care what happened to her after that.

 

[winterwolf200]

The funny thing is, MC did not know where she was, yet Anna magically managed to find her in a relatively short time.

I mean, it is fine to close contact with someone that clearly shown that is not interested in having any contact with you, Lacey did just that.

You obviously are right about the pimp, it is very sad that the author is showing down our throats that she should be a misunderstood but deeply good person while he keeps on adding to her monstrous behaviour at every turn.
Look at something that is thrown in as a funny thing during the kw and everyone reacts positively to: she states that she seduced the girlfriend of a person she didn't like to make a video and then use it against him (she then kept it for herself).
Considering that the pimp hates men and generally do not like people (she says this often) this guy could be simply a person that confronted her when she uses her "sass" (I won't go in depth again about her sass essentially being a bad version of mean girls humor), and even if he was a POS, her actions show how much of a shit person she is, but everyone applauds her.

And as Diosvincenccio says, MC is very damaged, and I would have been fine with it IF he also had strengths or if Lacey was his kryptonite.
I am not advocating for a gigachad whatever guy, it would have been even more boring.
Go on, show his pain, show his weakness but also give us the means to see his strengths a man with some sort of backbone.
When MC was about to leave for an hotel in the beginning of act 2 I had to change my underwear, he should have gone, broken, suffering, but resolute for once.
I wouldn't have minded if he came back too, but I need to see some resolve, some willingness.
Even when he kicked Isaac out, he seemed the usual "too kind" MC but he put his foot down, we all know how it ended.
If we go even back, at the discussion at the cliffs after Bastian (or is it bastion now?) he shows a bit of resolve, but then we see it is simply a mask for the usual witness behaviour.
He seems willing only when it comes to being cucked.

Absolutely hypocritical the way you jump at people's throats for making assumptions based on blind Lacey hate, but you come around ad do the exact same for Mia.
"the author is showing down our throats that she should be a misunderstood but deeply good person while he keeps on adding to her monstrous behaviour at every turn" - And if you lay down your blind hate for Mia and consider that she may have been indeed a victim of Lacey's manipulations, then you might be able to reconcile what the author wants you to see with her current behavior.
But, you're obviously above all that.

 

[DeviantFun]

He could have researched and found out where she was. He sent a few text and that was it.

and yes he was broken , but once he reconnects with her and they marry he needed to be the spine of the relationship and her protector again and not just her slave.
and there should be a path in the game to do that . To have a better outcome to show the player how life could be different.

but my 100 percent main issue with the game was the live stream - when lacey went against his wishes and even against mia and did it. The mc should have left at that point.
And the dev should have given the option to lacey not doing it with the mc telling her if she did he would leave her and would not care what happened to her after that.

Yeah the fact that Anna finds Lacey quickly and MC never even attempts underlines his utter incompetence as a human, lets chalk it up as a...story driven point, there isn't much we can do about it.

As for the rest, the author shouldn't have done anything aside from creating his story, we might have gripes with it, some think that the story is already irremediably fucked (I don't, as long as the past gets properly explored and exposed), we can think what we would like to see or what could improve the story.

But in the end it is his and only his, and if tomorrow he decides that Lacey will convince MC to be assfucked by Isaac (while wearing a Lacey's wig) and after that they fall in love and leave Lacey behind, we will have to accept it.

 

[MightbeSomeone]

He could have researched and found out where she was. He sent a few text and that was it.

and yes he was broken , but once he reconnects with her and they marry he needed to be the spine of the relationship and her protector again and not just her slave.
and there should be a path in the game to do that . To have a better outcome to show the player how life could be different.

but my 100 percent main issue with the game was the live stream - when lacey went against his wishes and even against mia and did it. The mc should have left at that point.
And the dev should have given the option to lacey not doing it with the mc telling her if she did he would leave her and would not care what happened to her after that.

In my opinion laceys past in college is just that a past. She did awful things, but once they were married if she could not stay loyal, not fix herself with the mc help then he should leave her. Even knowing it would
Kill her. She deserves nothing from
The mc after the emotional cheating, the flirting with others, the poor choices at work events, the live stream lies to the mc and the rest of her BS. The MC should have been allowed to try to save her at each step to stand up and be a support and not a wet noodle.
the dev made one of the worst mc in all game history.

i played this game as a request from a friend.

 

[MightbeSomeone]

Yeah the fact that Anna finds Lacey quickly and MC never even attempts underlines his utter incompetence as a human, lets chalk it up as a...story driven point, there isn't much we can do about it.

As for the rest, the author shouldn't have done anything aside from creating his story, we might have gripes with it, some think that the story is already irremediably fucked (I don't, as long as the past gets properly explored and exposed), we can think what we would like to see or what could improve the story.

But in the end it is his and only his, and if tomorrow he decides that Lacey will convince MC to be assfucked by Isaac (while wearing a Lacey's wig) and after that they fall in love and leave Lacey behind, we will have to accept it.

Sorry but a game that promotes itself as

a game of True love.

sorry there is no true love between them

This is the story of two children who meet at a tender age, become friends and grow up as close as two people can possibly be. But as they enter high school, it becomes apparent that she can never give him the love he had always hoped for. Horrifying abuse and neglect left her wounded and broken. They go their seperate ways only to be reunited four years later after college. This time she is ready to love him the way he always wanted her to. They get married and find happiness together. Only to have everything he believes and holds dear come completely undone. Where can they go from here? A story of true love, painful jealousy and the difficult journey learning how to heal and forgive.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

He could have researched and found out where she was. He sent a few text and that was it.

More than a few texts, it was insinuated that he had obsesive behaviour for years. I dont know how you wanted him to "research" her location, that dosent seem like an easy task, the fact that Anna pulled that out is out of necesity for the story, just like how Lacey knew where to get Ketamine in college and all that, the story need them to know so they know even if it dosent make sense.

and yes he was broken , but once he reconnects with her and they marry he needed to be the spine of the relationship and her protector again and not just her slave.

She did awful things, but once they were married if she could not stay loyal, not fix herself with the mc help then he should leave her.

He reconects under false premises, to a Lacey that lies to him and makes him believe she is still the same girl. he is in a way addicted to her. He is dependent on her, even when abused he still selfpunishes for his bad emotions. And led to think that he is the one who has to change and accept those abuses. Its demential but to him is the "normal" thing, because no one made him feel otherwise until Dianne.

The few times she actually needed protection, like with Jared blackmail, he steped up and become the protector and hero of her childhood times. But its difficult to protect someone against herself if she dosent want to stop hurting herself with bad decisions, and more so when she actively hurts him. How do you defend someone who you love, when the one hurting you is that someone you love?

but my 100 percent main issue with the game was the live stream - when lacey went against his wishes and even against mia and did it. The mc should have left at that point.
And the dev should have given the option to lacey not doing it with the mc telling her if she did he would leave her and would not care what happened to her after that.

No one ever has defended her on that...i think. There are weirdos everywhere, but yeah, no one i remember had gone beyond that point being ok with Lacey.

Then again, we wouldnt have more story with Lacey or at least a very different one. Probably the game would have stopped.

A very interesting version for me would have been MC kicking Lacey out, trying to forget her and Lacey trying to earn her place back in Mc life.

 

[DeviantFun]

In my opinion laceys past in college is just that a past. She did awful things, but once they were married if she could not stay loyal, not fix herself with the mc help then he should leave her. Even knowing it would
Kill her. She deserves nothing from
The mc after the emotional cheating, the flirting with others, the poor choices at work events, the live stream lies to the mc and the rest of her BS. The MC should have been allowed to try to save her at each step to stand up and be a support and not a wet noodle.
the dev made one of the worst mc in all game history.

i played this game as a request from a friend.

The past is very important, our beloved MC lost 4 years of his life AND almost his life itself.

I often state this, understanding is a key factor to empathy, how can MC accept or forgive something he does now know fully? How can MC make peace with what happened when he is only gaslighted with things like: "I was a bad person" or "I did what I did because I did it"?

These are cop outs devoid of any accountability and openness, that leave the mine field active.
Imagine a new aspect of her past, such as her having fun at raves or happily playing house with another guy comes out after MC has forgiven her, it would be disastrous.

Lacey has the tendency to paint herself as the poor victim (she was with her parents and with her pimp) even when she does shitty things, Anna checked her on that quite a bit on the Isaac event.
If and when Lacey will be fully open about all of it, without deflections, the healing process could start.

And by healing I mean accepting the past, not forgiving it, what she has done do not warrant forgiveness of any kind, she should not expect it or even want it.

You are right about the present, but even the present is a product of the past, Damian would not have happened if the pimp didn't act like she did and instead tried to make things better between them, like Anna did (not perfectly) during the Isaac event, since we mentioned it.

To conclude, yes, MC should have put some distance between him and her, in fact, it could have been a GREAT plot point that would have leveraged on Lacey's fears and desperation turning the tables and not having MC as the boring character we have now.

Just a side note, if you don't enjoy the game, just drop it, cuss the guy that suggested it to you and be done with it

 

[MightbeSomeone]

I want to do a second pt slow to see what i have missed, and then make a final decision on the game. I was just very disappointed in the dev making such a weak mc wh

 

[AL.d]

Thats basically the same things.

To me it seems like MC`s problem with her past is not that she banged 300 dudes. At least it`s not the primary. Primary thing is that she abandoned him, and given how much work he put in to them, chose to fuck random dudes instead of picking up the phone even once.

The way I see it they are equal. Yes, the abandonment is a big part, but the fact she did everything she was refusing him with pretty much every male around her, drives him crazy. Don't forget they were a couple before she ditched him. That's why the matter of firsts comes up all the time.

1. Addict yes. Cumdumpster - absolutely not. I mean how could she ? She was a loner and Mia was her first friend. No it`s all on Mia. On the other side maybe she would eventually be successful in her suicide attempts. Who can tell, maybe Mia saved and ruined her live at the same time ?

I disagree on that. Traumatic experiences like hers, very commonly lead to disorders that have promiscuity as major trait. I don't see Mia as the spark that lit a fire from nothing. That dumbass isn't a mind controller to turn an introvert into an uber-slut. She was just the catalyst.

Any college predator could have done what Mia did, given he was a good enough manipulator to gain some trust. Especially someone with access to ketamine. And with probably worse results (like prostitution). We tend to forget it, because the writer intentionally mentions it very little (for good reason), but Lacey was broken before college. And her trauma was sexual in nature.

 

[anongamer1983]

I want to do a second pt slow to see what i have missed, and then make a final decision on the game. I was just very disappointed in the dev making such a weak mc wh

Also, keep in mind that there are only 2 parts at the moment with several more to come, and MC is intentionally written as being broken and in need of therapy. I could be totally wrong, but I think that his personality will change as he works through his own issues. If his personality doesn't change any, then I don't know why the writer would put in "he needs therapy" several times.

 

[DeviantFun]

The way I see it they are equal. Yes, the abandonment is a big part, but the fact she did everything she was refusing him with pretty much every male around her, drives him crazy. Don't forget they were a couple before she ditched him. That's why the matter of firsts comes up all the time.

I agree, but even if they where not a couple, the fact that she wouldn't give him the time of day, while she did for literally anyone else, is still something that would leave scars, especially after what MC did for her for so many years.

I disagree on that. Traumatic experiences like hers, very commonly lead to disorders that have promiscuity as major trait. I don't see Mia as the spark that lit a fire from nothing. That dumbass isn't a mind controller to turn an introvert into an uber-slut. She was just the catalyst.

Any college predator could have done what Mia did, given he was a good enough manipulator to gain some trust. Especially someone with access to ketamine. And with probably worse results (like prostitution). We tend to forget it, because the writer intentionally mentions it very little (for good reason), but Lacey was broken before college. And her trauma was sexual in nature.

This is where it gets tricky, the pimp has shown to be very capable of getting close to people see Kelly, Anna and even Christine.
She uses her subtle? (We don't know how she does it since it is never shown, even the closeness to MC is just there and quite nonsensical) waysto get close to people to then use them to do her bidding (Kelly is a major example).

In 2 years Lacey managed to keep everyone at bay, having exactly 0 friends.

We could say that at that point Lacey was desperate enough to go through with the pimp plans, so even someone else could have done it, but I kinda doubt it, at least not to the same extent, it takes a special evilness to push someone broken to those lengths.

The beginning was the hard part, when Lacey still had her goal to go back to MC, the pimp had a clear objective to separate them, after all, a in love Lacey was not the "pure form" she wanted her to be.

After that the "objective" had been lost, also thanks to the k, and everything went downhill, the importance of feeling validation from her pimp was more important than MC.

Citing her trauma here poses 2 problems:

1. She didn't want to have sex before meeting the pimp, that enticed her with a solution (ironic, since she could have gone through the same thing if she was so sure it would have worked, which is the main problem with the pimp behavior, if they did it together....it would have been a great story)
2. She didn't do anything sexual in her senior year and up until she and MC got married.

So sex was never the driver, as far as the material goes, unless we talk about the red bra but that is a whole another topic.

I want to do a second pt slow to see what i have missed, and then make a final decision on the game. I was just very disappointed in the dev making such a weak mc wh

Take it from me, I played the game fully at least 20 or 30 times and read the script even more, you will not find a strong MC.
There are a lot of nuances to be found, especially on later playthroughs, where it becomes interesting to see the character interactions and traits come into play.
If your frustration and "anger" comes from MC being a witness you will not find respite, unless you completely detach yourself and try to understand him as the most damaged character in the story and give him some leeway.
I find it difficult, but doable.

 

[Maviarab]

One comment every one talking about lacey and the mc during college. Did the mc even one time go to or attempt to meet with lacey those 4 years? No he texted her. He could have gone and visited and perhaps stopped her from becoming what she did.

and I an still 100 percent in the camp that without Mia Lacey would not have done 90 percent of what she did with other men in college. Mia abused an at risk person and turned her into a whore.

what i however wish the game would allow is a path with strong mc that tells lacey no you cant live stream and no you cant meet others to pull her back from her distructive behaviors. This is the main issue I have the MC is not a strong presence in her life after college unlike when they were younger. He is allowing lacey to destroy them instead of being strong and stopping it

To play devil's advocate (again)...Lacey is also as much to blame.

She told Mia she couldn't have sex. It is also stated time and time and time again, she could have said no...whenever she wanted to.

The big ole truth bomb (as she put it) near the end of Act 2, the answer is simple. She never even considered saying no to Mia.

It's not all on the pimp.

And go where? He didnt know where she was. She abandoned him after prom but i dont remember her telling him where she was going, just that she would go to another college. The only thing he could do was contact her by phone, and he tried that a lot.

More than a few texts, it was insinuated that he had obsesive behaviour for years. I dont know how you wanted him to "research" her location, that dosent seem like an easy task, the fact that Anna pulled that out is out of necesity for the story, just like how Lacey knew where to get Ketamine in college and all that, the story need them to know so they know even if it dosent make sense.

This

 

[AL.d]

1. She didn't want to have sex before meeting the pimp, that enticed her with a solution (ironic, since she could have gone through the same thing if she was so sure it would have worked, which is the main problem with the pimp behavior, if they did it together....it would have been a great story)
2. She didn't do anything sexual in her senior year and up until she and MC got married.

But that's exactly how it works irl though. Strong reluctance until the dam breaks and then flooding. The pendulum swings to the other extreme. If Mia did it, an experienced predator actually fitting her sexual preference, could have done it too.

On your second point about senior year...if her marital behavior is any indication, I'm not inclined to believe that

I mean look at how many men she has been involved with in one year, while married. Is it the ring that got her in the mood for some strange?

 

[DeviantFun]

To play devil's advocate (again)...Lacey is also as much to blame.

She told Mia she couldn't have sex. It is also stated time and time and time again, she could have said no...whenever she wanted to.

The big ole truth bomb (as she put it) near the end of Act 2, the answer is simple. She never even considered saying no to Mia.

It's not all on the pimp.

True, it is not, do you remember my AI analysis?

You have to be at least more lenient on the victim here, especially at the beginning, up to early phase 2.
After that it became a game of getting more validation from the pimp, remember, her happiest memories are related to her pimp being happy of her.

But that's exactly how it works irl though. Strong reluctance until the dam breaks and then flooding. The pendulum swings to the other extreme. If Mia did it, an experienced predator actually fitting her sexual preference, could have done it too.

On your second point about senior year...if her marital behavior is any indication, I'm not inclined to believe that

I mean look at how many men she has been involved with in one year, while married. Is it the ring that got her in the mood for some strange?

I can hardly phatom another evil character that would think that gangbangs are a good way to solve traumas but yeah.

On the senior year, we are at our usual empasse, whether we trust Lacey on that or not, because I think she is the only source.

 

[Sayora]

Citing her trauma here poses 2 problems:

1. She didn't want to have sex before meeting the pimp, that enticed her with a solution (ironic, since she could have gone through the same thing if she was so sure it would have worked, which is the main problem with the pimp behavior, if they did it together....it would have been a great story)

This statement is not accurate.

Lacy did not want to have sex with MC because of childhood trauma and, according to her, left MC to fix it.

her revelation in truth and dare game looks even more unpleasant
L: the first time was unpleasant and after the second time the fear passed and it was even pleasant.
But after the cure, nothing stopped her from returning to MC and being happy.
but apparently returning to MC was not her goal and Lacy lied even here.

 

[Maviarab]

On your second point about senior year...if her marital behavior is any indication, I'm not inclined to believe that

On the senior year, we are at our usual empasse, whether we trust Lacey on that or not, because I think she is the only source.

You know who she fucked in her senior year. I spelt it out quite clearly giving logical reasoning for my thoughts.

That's just who we know about

 

[Dragonlight]

The way I see it they are equal. Yes, the abandonment is a big part, but the fact she did everything she was refusing him with pretty much every male around her, drives him crazy. Don't forget they were a couple before she ditched him. That's why the matter of firsts comes up all the time.

Mine minor difference of opinion from yours is that I think what truly hurts MC the most is not the act of sex itself, but what it is symbolize. Abandonment and, how to put it, it shows what place MC occupy in her priorities, especially compared what place Lacey occupy in his life. Granted we dont 100% know what went through Lacey`s head while she was in college, but from MC`s perspective he was less important then some random dude. I think that what damaged him the most.

I thinks it`s a minor difference, just wanted to clarify.

I disagree on that. Traumatic experiences like hers, very commonly lead to disorders that have promiscuity as major trait. I don't see Mia as the spark that lit a fire from nothing. That dumbass isn't a mind controller to turn an introvert into an uber-slut. She was just the catalyst.

Any college predator could have done what Mia did, given he was a good enough manipulator to gain some trust. Especially someone with access to ketamine. And with probably worse results (like prostitution). We tend to forget it, because the writer intentionally mentions it very little (for good reason), but Lacey was broken before college. And her trauma was sexual in nature.

Maybe you right, and that outcome was inevitable. But you said it yourself that Mia WAS the catalyst. And that remind me of "If I don't steal your home someone else will steal it" kinda logic. Mia is guilty, maybe it could`ve been someone else, but it was her.

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And she pushed her far beyond what most people would. Mia`s character has been discussed extensively at this point, as is her reasons, so another bout is unnecessary.

 

[winterwolf200]

This statement is not accurate.

Lacy did not want to have sex with MC because of childhood trauma and, according to her, left MC to fix it.

her revelation in truth and dare game looks even more unpleasant
L: the first time was unpleasant and after the second time the fear passed and it was even pleasant.
But after the cure, nothing stopped her from returning to MC and being happy.
but apparently returning to MC was not her goal and Lacy lied even here.

Indeed. This is the reason Lacey went away. To fix the sex and intimacy probles she had for the MC.
But some of "us" choose to cherrypick what Lacey says to fit the dogma they've already set to stone. And now they're fighting perceived heretics off with said dogma.
Maybe they should try stepping outside the box and see how it fits?!
What I mean when I say that Lacey manipulated Mia I mean SEDUCED. Lacey used seduction to recruit Mia into helping her with her plan. I don't think they had sex. Probably not at 1st. Hell, might not have had sex at all.
Mia didn't push a broken person into doing things she didn't want. Mia isn't evil. She carefully, lovingly helped Lacey discover self-pleasure. The escalation to men, was at Lacey's request. And everything that happened afterwards was because she liked it and wanted it.They might have been making money off it. And some of it might have been Mia's way of punishing Lacey when she saw her "pure form" and realized she's never going to love her back.
Mia's only problem is that she was and probably still is somewhat in love with Lacey.
What she was back then is probably what the MC is going to become if he follows Lacey's plan. So the MC has a lot more in common with the Mia, in my opinion, than any other girl around. He's going to end up punishing Lacey with gangbangs and possibly drugs, just as Mia did.Because of love for a piece of trash.

 

[AL.d]

Indeed. This is the reason Lacey went away. To fix the sex and intimacy probles she had for the MC.
But some of "us" choose to cherrypick what Lacey says to fit the dogma they've already set to stone. And now they're fighting perceived heretics off with said dogma.
Maybe they should try stepping outside the box and see how it fits?!
What I mean when I say that Lacey manipulated Mia I mean SEDUCED. Lacey used seduction to recruit Mia into helping her with her plan. I don't think they had sex. Probably not at 1st. Hell, might not have had sex at all.
Mia didn't push a broken person into doing things she didn't want. Mia isn't evil. She carefully, lovingly helped Lacey discover self-pleasure. The escalation to men, was at Lacey's request. And everything that happened afterwards was because she liked it and wanted it.They might have been making money off it. And some of it might have been Mia's way of punishing Lacey when she saw her "pure form" and realized she's never going to love her back.
Mia's only problem is that she was and probably still is somewhat in love with Lacey.
What she was back then is probably what the MC is going to become if he follows Lacey's plan. So the MC has a lot more in common with the Mia, in my opinion, than any other girl around. He's going to end up punishing Lacey with gangbangs and possibly drugs, just as Mia did.Because of love for a piece of trash.

You conclusion is interesting because I see that being a route, but you arrived there with headcanon. We have only two sources in the game about the college events. Mia and Lacey. And for just one day, Isaac. We can infer some things about things they don't say, but the general picture has to be from things they say, otherwise there is no picture. And while they disagree on the liking it part, they both agree Mia was the initiator. How would Mia benefit from revealing her part in it, if that wasn't how it happened? She could just say it was all Lacey.

You can definitely encourage someone to do something they want and still be a horrible friend for doing that. If my friend is an alcoholic and I'm constantly calling him to bar hop because I'm bored, I'm a bad friend. It's called enabling. My alcoholic friend isn't seducing me to call him, I do it because I'm a selfish prick. So her liking it is irrelevant in terms of Mia doing the right thing or not.

And that comes from someone who thinks Lacey is fully responsible for what she did in college, because I don't infantalize adults. But Mia is still the shittiest of friends.