VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[Ass Fan]

I don't like NTR without choice but this one is very different from the others, at least once in my life I found one with a cool story about the Wife, her problems, all the drama, jealousy and not forgetting Anna, what a spectacular woman

 

[Dana447]

Is it possible to avoid Anna's first sex scene?

 

[Diosvincenccio]

Is it possible to avoid Anna's first sex scene?

No, its forced and part of the story. And to a point it makes sense why it happens.

In the early scripts it was possible to avoid the scene, DeviantFun made some digging in the scripts and found it was optional at some point before the first release.

 

[Maviarab]

Is it possible to avoid Anna's first sex scene?

Lacey can be turned down three times currently (she is your wife though remember, there are forced scenes with her). Anna is now forced as well as Kelly. No other character is, you can turn Christine down, you can turn Mia down. None others have scenes yet.

 

[MightbeSomeone]

Sorry but in my opinion the mc should be able to turn anyone down as the player wants for the pt they are doing. Not allowing that takes agency away from the player and messes up much of what players want in a game.

 

[Maviarab]

Sorry but in my opinion the mc should be able to turn anyone down as the player wants for the pt they are doing. Not allowing that takes agency away from the player and messes up much of what players want in a game.

You are missing the whole point of the two forced girl scenes....as well as whenever there is a forced Lacey scene. They all exist specifically for the plot. The fact you can turn others down but not them should tell you something.

Normally I would completely agree but here they are done specifically to tell part of the story.

 

[AL.d]

You are missing the whole point of the two forced girl scenes....as well as whenever there is a forced Lacey scene. They all exist specifically for the plot. The fact you can turn others down but not them should tell you something.

Normally I would completely agree but here they are done specifically to tell part of the story.

I actually disagree on that. It railroads the player into accepting the whole poly thing. And especially on Anna's case, forces a positive disposition by default. Nothing would have changed it if he had made it optional like Mia's. At most I could get Kelly narratively, but Anna's was a shit choice. Almost quit it back then.

I hope the trend doesn't continue in act 3. Removing even the most basic of player agency, like where MC puts his dick in, goes into KN territory.

 

[Maviarab]

I actually disagree on that. It railroads the player into accepting the whole poly thing. And especially on Anna's case, forces a positive disposition by default. Nothing would have changed it if he had made it optional like Mia's. At most I could get Kelly narratively, but Anna's was a shit choice. Almost quit it back then.

I hope the trend doesn't continue in act 3. Removing even the most basic of player agency, like where MC puts his dick in, goes into KN territory.

Again though, Mia was her choice. Anna was 'told' to calm us down. It shows a lot about who both characters are doesn't it.

As for kinetic, it pretty much already is anyway, can't really use that as a complaint.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

And especially on Anna's case

For anna you have to remember when it happens, just after the Damian thing, he is in an extremely dark place, and Lacey basically sent him to her for damage control for both MC and Lacey sake. Anna sex scene is never abour her.

Now, if the sex with Anna were to happen before Damian, yeah, i would agree, player decision all the way. But as the story is as it is, it makes sense. Players are infuriated after Lacey broke the rules, the dev had to force a release of dark emotions. Is narrative for the story but also a way to control the transmitions of emotions to the players.

Kelly on the other side is purely narrative, it shows how Lacey freaks out when she loses control of the situation, and sets up "future" confrontations with a girl that its literally described as her replacement. A girl that could be the Lacey without all the fucked up things Lacey does, for the MC. Kelly is the rival and threat that forces Lacey to improve, and an empty threat is a freaking joke, so the girl had to have some weight to her actions, hence the sex scene, it made her a serious contender for the MC.

I seriosly think that if Lacey had respected the rules or if the MC had taken the Damian thing without much damage, she would have never told anyone about the free pass, and MC being against it from the begining it would have ended being a one sided thing. As much as Lacey said he has to get laid too, she reacted really strongly against it when it happened, to me it seemed that Lacey was just saying what se needed to say so the supposed teaching happens. Once the sex means nothing lesson was given if she had completely succed and Mc had taken it well, she would have not mentioned anything about the free pass and let it expire without him doing anything aside the optional choices taken by player choice. She only really pushed Mc to Anna because she fucked up and Mc was on the limit, thinking about off himself, or abandoning her, without improving his emotions nor clearing his mind.

 

[AL.d]

Again though, Mia was her choice. Anna was 'told' to calm us down. It shows a lot about who both characters are doesn't it.

As for kinetic, it pretty much already is anyway, can't really use that as a complaint.

For anna you have to remember when it happens, just after the Damian thing, he is in an extremely dark place, and Lacey basically sent him to her for damage control for both MC and Lacey sake. Anna sex scene is never abour her.

Now, if the sex with Anna were to happen before Damian, yeah, i would agree, player decision all the way. But as the story is as it is, it makes sense. Players are infuriated after Lacey broke the rules, the dev had to force a release of dark emotions. Is narrative for the story but also a way to control the transmitions of emotions to the players.

Kelly on the other side is purely narrative, it shows how Lacey freaks out when she loses control of the situation, and sets up "future" confrontations with a girl that its literally described as her replacement. A girl that could be the Lacey without all the fucked up things Lacey does, for the MC. Kelly is the rival and threat that forces Lacey to improve, and an empty threat is a freaking joke, so the girl had to have some weight to her actions, hence the sex scene, it made her a serious contender for the MC.

I seriosly think that if Lacey had respected the rules or if the MC had taken the Damian thing without much damage, she would have never told anyone about the free pass, and MC being against it from the begining it would have ended being a one sided thing. As much as Lacey said he has to get laid too, she reacted really strongly against it when it happened, to me it seemed that Lacey was just saying what se needed to say so the supposed teaching happens. Once the sex means nothing lesson was given if she had completely succed and Mc had taken it well, she would have not mentioned anything about the free pass and let it expire without him doing anything aside the optional choices taken by player choice. She only really pushed Mc to Anna because she fucked up and Mc was on the limit, thinking about off himself, or abandoning her, without improving his emotions nor clearing his mind.

Yes, but at some point the game has to acknowledge it's a game. Not a novel. There has to be a choice where the player refuses to let MC get placated with pussy. It has happened so many times with Lacey scenes that aren't avoidable, it didn't need to be expanded to others. We got the message. At some point there has to be a choice to keep resentment and stop going with the flow like a human dildo to be passed around.

If we assume those narrative purposes have already been served, then there should not be any forced scenes in act 3. I hope so, but I have my doubts that will be the case.

 

[Maviarab]

At some point there has to be a choice to keep resentment and stop going with the flow like a human dildo to be passed around.

If we assume those narrative purposes have already been served, then there should not be any forced scenes in act 3. I hope so, but I have my doubts that will be the case.

I do completely agree with this and also have the same hope.

 

[MightbeSomeone]

You are missing the whole point of the two forced girl scenes....as well as whenever there is a forced Lacey scene. They all exist specifically for the plot. The fact you can turn others down but not them should tell you something.

Normally I would completely agree but here they are done specifically to tell part of the story.

Then make it a no choice novel and don't worry about having fake choices that can "change" the story

 

[Diosvincenccio]

Yes, but at some point the game has to acknowledge it's a game. Not a novel.

The very same dev seems to disagree. Quote from the original post. "Love & Jealousy is a visual novel" just saying for the sake of being cheeky. But lets be serious, player choices or gameplay have never been the forte of this game, the story is, and for that sometimes you have to force it into your plotpoints. Just the fact that most of the story is coherent is already amazing.

Now imagine what kind of changes to the story, not just some cosmetic route/branch punishment, but actual changes to the story, the dev would have to take into account if the player could say no to marry Lacey or divorce her at any point or things like that, either the dev puts game over at some choices, with the accompaning complaints of why is it a choice if it kills the game early, or he has to create an entire different story for parts of the game than he didnt want.

Anyway, the forced scenes with others seems to be almost over. I think that there will be one more to introduce the sharing of the MC, and it will probably be with Mia, after that one it will most likely be more player choice, except with Lacey, she will be still quite story related and some of her scenes forced as narration.

Hang in there the worst is almost over.

 

[DeviantFun]

For anna you have to remember when it happens, just after the Damian thing, he is in an extremely dark place, and Lacey basically sent him to her for damage control for both MC and Lacey sake. Anna sex scene is never abour her.

Now, if the sex with Anna were to happen before Damian, yeah, i would agree, player decision all the way. But as the story is as it is, it makes sense. Players are infuriated after Lacey broke the rules, the dev had to force a release of dark emotions. Is narrative for the story but also a way to control the transmitions of emotions to the players.

Kelly on the other side is purely narrative, it shows how Lacey freaks out when she loses control of the situation, and sets up "future" confrontations with a girl that its literally described as her replacement. A girl that could be the Lacey without all the fucked up things Lacey does, for the MC. Kelly is the rival and threat that forces Lacey to improve, and an empty threat is a freaking joke, so the girl had to have some weight to her actions, hence the sex scene, it made her a serious contender for the MC.

I seriosly think that if Lacey had respected the rules or if the MC had taken the Damian thing without much damage, she would have never told anyone about the free pass, and MC being against it from the begining it would have ended being a one sided thing. As much as Lacey said he has to get laid too, she reacted really strongly against it when it happened, to me it seemed that Lacey was just saying what se needed to say so the supposed teaching happens. Once the sex means nothing lesson was given if she had completely succed and Mc had taken it well, she would have not mentioned anything about the free pass and let it expire without him doing anything aside the optional choices taken by player choice. She only really pushed Mc to Anna because she fucked up and Mc was on the limit, thinking about off himself, or abandoning her, without improving his emotions nor clearing his mind.

For once, and just this once, I am going to agree with AL.d.

MC is already a total witness to all the events happening in his life, and seems extremely dick driven, after a traumatic event, I might not be in "jump on this dick" mood.

Refusing everyone could have created an imbalanced situation that would match with what we understand from MC character.
Unless you count MC "other side" that Lacey has to share him with, which is the horndog.

When the horndog takes over, MC is able to fuck like he is a consummate veteran, even without creating any emotional connection or kissing, the guy is unforgettable in bed.
The only thing unforgettable about him it seems aside from.his unprofessionalism and predatory behaviour with other employees.

The refusal of all, including Bella, could have created a nice situation paired with the no fun route, but it could have created a huge branching not easily manageable story wise.

Then make it a no choice novel and don't worry about having fake choices that can "change" the story

The choices are somewhat meaningful, mostly in act 1, act 2 is....surprisingly weak with it.
But the amount of love you gather, the Gg points and so on might shape the story in a more meaningful way as the acts go on.
This was also stated by the author.

Edit: Diosvincenccio you are right and we get a forced scene with that disgusting human being I am going to blow a fuse, and probably quit L&J (for a week, so I can match the maximum level of consequences the game tell us is right to have)
We also said, the worst is almost over at the end of act 1, yet we got the worst version of MC, the pimp flared up like an emorrhoid and Anna became a backstabbing bitch...

 

[Diosvincenccio]

get a forced scene with that disgusting human being I am going to blow a fuse

I will have to send you an anti-stress ball, probably paired together with a voodoo doll. After all, it seems we are directed to that outcome.

Since long ago the pimp had her vision of a MC at the top and the rest of the girls share him more or less as equals, a true harem if you want to call it that. Now after the K handbag outcome she seems to be included in the sharing plan in exchange to stopping the relationship breaker actions.

Lacey was already pushing MC to her during the free pass, and now "forced" by the pimp threats? with the motive for them on the open? well she seems the first on the sharing list, and Mia put herself there on her own.

Now DF remember this if it does happen, slow breathing. In through the nose, out from the mouth. Use a paper bag if necessary.

 

[DeviantFun]

I will have to send you an anti-stress ball, probably paired together with a voodoo doll. After all, it seems we are directed to that outcome.

Since long ago the pimp had her vision of a MC at the top and the rest of the girls share him more or less as equals, a true harem if you want to call it that. Now after the K handbag outcome she seems to be included in the sharing plan in exchange to stopping the relationship breaker actions.

Lacey was already pushing MC to her during the free pass, and now "forced" by the pimp threats? with the motive for them on the open? well she seems the first on the sharing list, and Mia put herself there on her own.

Now DF remember this if it does happen, slow breathing. In through the nose, out from the mouth. Use a paper bag if necessary.

MC should use a paper bag to put it on the pimp's head if he really wants to fuck her.

At least I can avoid looking at that oversized head.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

MC should use a paper bag to put it on the pimp's head if he really wants to fuck her.

At least I can avoid looking at that oversized head.

You mean like this?

Because it could end like this.


Never saw the movie nor i know what is about, the image just appeared when searching for the Scary movie 2 paper bag scene. I found it WTF... Then all this talking about sharing and paper bags. The image of the Baghead movie just fitted.

 

[AL.d]

The very same dev seems to disagree. Quote from the original post. "Love & Jealousy is a visual novel" just saying for the sake of being cheeky. But lets be serious, player choices or gameplay have never been the forte of this game, the story is, and for that sometimes you have to force it into your plotpoints. Just the fact that most of the story is coherent is already amazing.

Now imagine what kind of changes to the story, not just some cosmetic route/branch punishment, but actual changes to the story, the dev would have to take into account if the player could say no to marry Lacey or divorce her at any point or things like that, either the dev puts game over at some choices, with the accompaning complaints of why is it a choice if it kills the game early, or he has to create an entire different story for parts of the game than he didnt want.

Anyway, the forced scenes with others seems to be almost over. I think that there will be one more to introduce the sharing of the MC, and it will probably be with Mia, after that one it will most likely be more player choice, except with Lacey, she will be still quite story related and some of her scenes forced as narration.

Hang in there the worst is almost over.

Ah but you see, I left the "visual" out on purpose.

I also had no complaints about the forced Lacey scenes (despite being the character I dislike the most) , for the very reasons you mention. I get it, some things have to be there no matter what. I just don't consider that specific scene one of them.

Narratively, MC has mentioned he doesn't want to be involved with others multiple times. A player choice reflecting those statements, would have made sense. Especially if the game allowed him to use the single braincell needed, to recognize it for what it was.

I really hope your prediction turns out false for act 3.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

I just don't consider that specific scene one of them.

Narratively, MC has mentioned he doesn't want to be involved with others multiple times.

Dont get me wrong, i dont like it, i said that the Dev did dirty to Anna on several ocassions, but i think it was necessary, MC was at the limit, Lacey had gone way too far, and the MC needed to decompress or he would be gone, in different meanings if you know what i mean.

Anna deserves some compensation for how it was treated by both, Lacey and MC, at that scene. And yet... she stays and the pimp goes on the trip to vegas.

And as for MC not wanting something... when did that matter? Lacey and the others have done so much crap against his desires. Aside from waking up one day, picking his things and moving out of the continent as a choice that leads to a game over ending, i dont know what else could he do. Lacey (and the others) does what Lacey (and the others) wants. At least until the MC grows a spine and stops being a doormat, which it dosent seem to be soon.

As for the prediction on the sharing scene, like with the Anna treatment so far, i dont like it, but everything points to that.

I said before that i think that the first sharing would be forced and the rest of scenes by player choice. Could be that the player chooses if it happens, like having the choice to stop the act or maybe not completely avoidable having some part of the scene forced. The Damian thing kind of suggest that its the routine, one first forced scene(Damian) and then some part forced (Kissed Morty) after that becomes a player choice to allow it or not (How far it goes like in Jealosy Date)

For the sharing i could see it as a forced scene with Mia probably initiated and orchestrated by Lacey (3p) later maybe partially forced by Anna (Mc and her alone) in another Act (Maybe some unavoidable kissing or Bj) that could end with a option for sex or not with player choice.

In the end, how were the sayings? "Everybody loves MC, nobody cares about MC" and "Mc needs a new set of wife and friends, they never respect his oppinions"? It was something like that.

 

[DeviantFun]

Ah but you see, I left the "visual" out on purpose.

I also had no complaints about the forced Lacey scenes (despite being the character I dislike the most) , for the very reasons you mention. I get it, some things have to be there no matter what. I just don't consider that specific scene one of them.

Narratively, MC has mentioned he doesn't want to be involved with others multiple times. A player choice reflecting those statements, would have made sense. Especially if the game allowed him to use the single braincell needed, to recognize it for what it was.

I really hope your prediction turns out false for act 3.

I just wanted to point out that MC mainly doesn't want to be involved with other people out of fear of losing Lacey / Lacey doing the same.

He seems actually plenty happy in engaging otherwise, with Anna being the constant loser for some reason. (His treatment of her is abysmal, I wonder how can we have to consider him a "good guy" when he talk of his experience with her in such a derogatory way with Lacey, my man, show some integrity and reapect).

So yeah he says no a lot, but I wonder why the author wrote him like this.