VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[AL.d]

I just wanted to point out that MC mainly doesn't want to be involved with other people out of fear of losing Lacey / Lacey doing the same.

He seems actually plenty happy in engaging otherwise, with Anna being the constant loser for some reason. (His treatment of her is abysmal, I wonder how can we have to consider him a "good guy" when he talk of his experience with her in such a derogatory way with Lacey, my man, show some integrity and reapect).

So yeah he says no a lot, but I wonder why the author wrote him like this.

I don't see it like that. He comes off flirty but often doesn't even realize it. You see it on the King's thing, where he suddenly comes to the realization he was flirting with others in front of her. And even on that scene in the tub with Veronica, where he comments on her tits like it's nothing and then understands wtf he said.

He is the ultra-simp when it comes to females. He will flatter endlessly and try to cater to every whim of those close to him. Because that's all he knows to do. But I'm pretty sure he has described his ideal marriage multiple times and even accused her for not giving it to him. It wasn't a free4all fuckfest.

He is written as incredibly weak to...pussy. All he sees is Lacey. But if Lacey uses pussy to placate him, either hers or someone else's, he goes for it. He has had panic attacks about a simple massage and the encounter with Anna. He is not written as a polygamous person by nature. Lacey just uses the fact he was an insecure, introverted virgin with zero experience, to keep him under control with sex. With a whole entourage of thirsty bitches stroking an insecure retard's ego.

The issue is that you cannot take the harem out of a harem dev and despite not initially written as that dude, he is constantly forced into those situations.

 

[DeviantFun]

I don't see it like that. He comes off flirty but often doesn't even realize it. You see it on the King's thing, where he suddenly comes to the realization he was flirting with others in front of her. And even on that scene in the tub with Veronica, where he comments on her tits like it's nothing and then understands wtf he said.

He is the ultra-simp when it comes to females. He will flatter endlessly and try to cater to every whim of those close to him. Because that's all he knows to do. But I'm pretty sure he has described his ideal marriage multiple times and even accused her for not giving it to him. It wasn't a free4all fuckfest.

He is written as incredibly weak to...pussy. All he sees is Lacey. But if Lacey uses pussy to placate him, either hers or someone else's, he goes for it. He has had panic attacks about a simple massage and the encounter with Anna. He is not written as a polygamous person by nature. Lacey just uses the fact he was an insecure, introverted virgin with zero experience, to keep him under control with sex. With a whole entourage of thirsty bitches stroking an insecure retard's ego.

The issue is that you cannot take the harem out of a harem dev and despite not initially written as that dude, he is constantly forced into those situations.

The thing he realizes during the KW is that Lacey would be feeling insecure by him flirting with them in front of her
I don't know where the flirting is in that weekend, aside from one or two compliments about their looks here and there, such as at the beginning of the pool game.

At the scene of the bathtub, he is trying to make a save after clearly saying that he thinks party girls are kinda trash, and he likes the fact that Anna isn't one of them.
He notices that Lacey is hurt by that, and instead of being a man and holding is ground on his opinion, he caves and makes a blunder with Veronica.
If you are talking about how he tries to retract it after the "episode" it is a bit of a longer discussion.

This is not to say that his ideal marriage is this (I will come back to this later), but just to say that he has been written super flirtly, just look at the last lunch in act 1 or at his text in act 2.

The problem here is that the author tells us that MC is this sort of inarrestable ,flirty, extremely good looking guy who can burn through a sorority or two....but he never shows it to us, we just gets comments from the woman around him on how great he is.

How can he be so great when he never reacts to anything? Going even on specific events How can he be so great when he passively aggressively shuts up Veronica (the new member of the group) when she makes a simple and understandable comment about Mia's obsession with sex?

I will write more about the obvious MC shortcomings when I get back from abroad, but picking up on the "this is not the marriage he wanted" you are right, the only thing he wanted was to be with Lacey and only her, with the woman he dedicated his life to, no one else involved.
Sadly that woman does not exists anymore, he got a damaged and washed up version, so his expectations will be subverted as well.

So we agree with a lot of stuff, especially being controlled by pussy part, this man is not competent.
I have several topics about his work as a director.....I don't know if we are supposed to think that he is good at it or just wait until he grows into the role.
Because it is clear why he has been chosen by the way, the other managers with all their experience couldn't even figure out a corporate licensing deal....I mean...Mr. W went with the least incompetent I think.

 

[AL.d]

The thing he realizes during the KW is that Lacey would be feeling insecure by him flirting with them in front of her
I don't know where the flirting is in that weekend, aside from one or two compliments about their looks here and there, such as at the beginning of the pool game.

At the scene of the bathtub, he is trying to make a save after clearly saying that he thinks party girls are kinda trash, and he likes the fact that Anna isn't one of them.
He notices that Lacey is hurt by that, and instead of being a man and holding is ground on his opinion, he caves and makes a blunder with Veronica.
If you are talking about how he tries to retract it after the "episode" it is a bit of a longer discussion.

This is not to say that his ideal marriage is this (I will come back to this later), but just to say that he has been written super flirtly, just look at the last lunch in act 1 or at his text in act 2.

The problem here is that the author tells us that MC is this sort of inarrestable ,flirty, extremely good looking guy who can burn through a sorority or two....but he never shows it to us, we just gets comments from the woman around him on how great he is.

How can he be so great when he never reacts to anything? Going even on specific events How can he be so great when he passively aggressively shuts up Veronica (the new member of the group) when she makes a simple and understandable comment about Mia's obsession with sex?

I will write more about the obvious MC shortcomings when I get back from abroad, but picking up on the "this is not the marriage he wanted" you are right, the only thing he wanted was to be with Lacey and only her, with the woman he dedicated his life to, no one else involved.
Sadly that woman does not exists anymore, he got a damaged and washed up version, so his expectations will be subverted as well.

So we agree with a lot of stuff, especially being controlled by pussy part, this man is not competent.
I have several topics about his work as a director.....I don't know if we are supposed to think that he is good at it or just wait until he grows into the role.
Because it is clear why he has been chosen by the way, the other managers with all their experience couldn't even figure out a corporate licensing deal....I mean...Mr. W went with the least incompetent I think.

The game does show us, but we are incapable of understanding it

Because what the game portrays as qualities that attract women, we would normally consider as pussy repellent. This ultra-simp behavior that just goes with flow, never initiates, never asserts himself and just caters to others in a servile-like way. This is what the game pretends is attractive.

I think it all goes back to what I mentioned about can't take the harem out of the harem dev. 90% of harem games have a protagonist who has zero traits you would associate with a womanizing player type. They are usually kinda simpy, passive, introvert dudes who just go with the flow and by doing chores requested, they get points for pussy. You are more likely to find attractive male traits in ntr antagonists than harem, but even there, it's full of fat ugly bastards. I'm convinced that most game devs actively hate the male type that gets a lot of pussy irl, so they are committed on writing stories where the opposite gets it instead

 

[DeviantFun]

The game does show us, but we are incapable of understanding it

Because what the game portrays as qualities that attract women, we would normally consider as pussy repellent. This ultra-simp behavior that just goes with flow, never initiates, never asserts himself and just caters to others in a servile-like way. This is what the game pretends is attractive.

I think it all goes back to what I mentioned about can't take the harem out of the harem dev. 90% of harem games have a protagonist who has zero traits you would associate with a womanizing player type. They are usually kinda simpy, passive, introvert dudes who just go with the flow and by doing chores requested, they get points for pussy. You are more likely to find attractive male traits in ntr antagonists than harem, but even there, it's full of fat ugly bastards. I'm convinced that most game devs actively hate the male type that gets a lot of pussy irl, so they are committed on writing stories where the opposite gets it instead

Hah! I think you are right.

My main concern about MC attractiveness is exactly the one you pointed our.
In fact, Kelly had the only right reaction out of all the women in the game, when MC shows up drunk: "Look it was nice meeting you, but I am not gonna get involved in all that mess".

It was perfect, for once a normal reaction! Sadly it gets nullified quickly, but the idea of MC having to put some work in restoring the relationship and swooning her would have been a great addition.

Veronica is another mystery, a driven and successful woman, who obviously has very little scruples since she was almost willing to let Lacey get raped to save her career, sees MC having a breakdown in the hot tub, whining to his wife that "his friends are not gonna come back to play with him" and is perfectly fine with it.
Are we on K or something? How is a woman like that attracted to a weak simp who cannot hold it together for more than 5 hours at a time?
And even if my words are harsh, this is not to disparage MC or his suffering, it just doesn't make any sense relationship wise.

Are all these women suffering from a red cross syndrome? Or a childcare syndrome? Since MC is always treated like a child that cannot take a few steps without holding hands?

So yeah, his strength has to be these insane looks, a mix of Henry Cavill and young Jhonny Depp probably.

His strength isn't really in the flirting area, since he always comes off as inappropriate, the only good flirting he does is with Mia at the club, during the Lorenzo event iirc.
That had actually some chops and was appropriate and matched in tone.
Or maybe some of the flirting with Veronica with all the "I don't want you to call me when you touch yourself" (I don't have the game files at hand, it is definitely s but misquoted), that was also a bit silly but it kinda worked.

So the author is able to make some good flirting scenes, I wish he did it more often, the whole princess thing with Bethany was reeeeeeeally creepy, without even mentioning the freckles thing.
It is kinda the same with Yue btw, but not as bad.

NTR antagonist have the same problem as MC, 2 compliments, half a flirty message and boom, objective reached.
But at least some of them as you said are somewhat assertive and competent.

Hell, now that you mention NTR antagonisis even Jared was a better flirter than MC, even if since I am not 15, my idea of flirting is not "hey I can see your titties and ass bouncing!", but for the rest, building a connection through shared interest (work), carving one on one time and being kinda assertive.
Sure he did creepy shit, not saying he didn't, but he did more things right than MC for a while.

I really hope we finally get some emotional growth in MC, he is bland, incompetent and boring most of the time, even if a lot of damage has been done to his characterization, maybe act 3 will bring some improvements.

 

[InactiveK]

I dunno, I see a big difference between how MC behaves at work, which he seems to view as a safe haven, and his home and other places where he has to interact with Lacey. His general behaviour at the office (confident and outgoing) is probably what his personality is naturally without trauma weighing him down.

I mean he literally has a date with Jamie and offers to pay for breast implants if you're on his route. Not to mention all the other dates with his colleagues which he now has a position of power over. He's arguably starting to go out of control with how he speaks to Jeanette.

J "Oh yeah?"
J "What exactly do you plan on doing?"
MC "How about I close and lock my door."
MC "Grab you by your two little buns."
MC "Sit in my big comfy chair."
MC "Push you on the ground."
MC "And give you something to think about."
MC "We'll see how much sass you have when your mouth is full."
J "..."
$ JEANETTE_submissionlevel = 1
$ JEANETTE_love += 10

 

[AL.d]

Hell, now that you mention NTR antagonisis even Jared was a better flirter than MC, even if since I am not 15, my idea of flirting is not "hey I can see your titties and ass bouncing!", but for the rest, building a connection through shared interest (work), carving one on one time and being kinda assertive.
Sure he did creepy shit, not saying he didn't, but he did more things right than MC for a while.

That's exactly what I mean. His approach before he had to to come out as unhinged ntr villain, is exactly how a "player" type gets lots of pussy. Extrovert, assertive and most of all, manipulative with good understanding of female psyche. MC is the opposite of all that. And knowing his past, it couldn't be any other way.

Devs hate that for player characters, because it puts them in the morally grey zone. Which is what happens irl, if you change women like your underwear, you are obviously not that empathetic to their feelings. So it always has to be some introvert nerd who just has pussy falling onto his lap and just transforms into a sex god when it's time for the h-scene.

I dunno, I see a big difference between how MC behaves at work, which he seems to view as a safe haven, and his home and other places where he has to interact with Lacey. His general behaviour at the office (confident and outgoing) is probably what his personality is naturally without trauma weighing him down.

I mean he literally has a date with Jamie and offers to pay for breast implants if you're on his route. Not to mention all the other dates with his colleagues which he now has a position of power over. He's arguably starting to go out of control with how he speaks to Jeanette.

J "Oh yeah?"
J "What exactly do you plan on doing?"
MC "How about I close and lock my door."
MC "Grab you by your two little buns."
MC "Sit in my big comfy chair."
MC "Push you on the ground."
MC "And give you something to think about."
MC "We'll see how much sass you have when your mouth is full."
J "..."
$ JEANETTE_submissionlevel = 1
$ JEANETTE_love += 10

That's one of the major inconsistencies of the game. It's obviously something that the dev needs to set up flags for a future sex scene. So he has the ultimate wimp flip a magical switch and act like a caveman full of testosterone. Dev also does it with some of Lacey's scenes. It's like MC puts his "manly mask" on, to get the job done. It comes off stupid because it's inconsistent with everything else we see from him and obviously happens purely for porn reasons. Another thing in common with harem game tropes.

In a realistic context, someone with major submissive tendencies like J, would have never seen that dude sexually. Especially after she learnt of his past and the nature of his relationship with Lacey. Her pussy would have gone perma-dry around him. A confirmed cuckold crying like a bitch in front of you, but still staying with his "handler" no matter what, is generally not something that gets a sub's juices flowing....

 

[DeviantFun]

I dunno, I see a big difference between how MC behaves at work, which he seems to view as a safe haven, and his home and other places where he has to interact with Lacey. His general behaviour at the office (confident and outgoing) is probably what his personality is naturally without trauma weighing him down.

I mean he literally has a date with Jamie and offers to pay for breast implants if you're on his route. Not to mention all the other dates with his colleagues which he now has a position of power over. He's arguably starting to go out of control with how he speaks to Jeanette.

J "Oh yeah?"
J "What exactly do you plan on doing?"
MC "How about I close and lock my door."
MC "Grab you by your two little buns."
MC "Sit in my big comfy chair."
MC "Push you on the ground."
MC "And give you something to think about."
MC "We'll see how much sass you have when your mouth is full."
J "..."
$ JEANETTE_submissionlevel = 1
$ JEANETTE_love += 10

Look if he is like that with people, then the fact he had trauma saved him some jail time.

That is not confident talk, it is overtly vulgar and inappropriate for his work position, and he started talking like that only after getting promoted.

Look at how he talks to Yue: "you got hired because you are hot" or to bethany "you're feeling territorial" and all the rest of the crap he spews.
Christine is spared because the author probably decided that he now wants to integrate some softdomme stuff, so she had to forget she called him "daddy".

I get it, the same message of him at work vs outside of work was also given in act 1, but the message is kinda scrambled.

 

[Dragonlight]

The game does show us, but we are incapable of understanding it

The game straight up telling us that the MC is attractive. When the story is straight up telling you something, there is no need
to interpret it any other way. Every woman(and some men lol) in the story is attracted to him, there is no need to argue with the author. Within the story its straight up fact.

Because what the game portrays as qualities that attract women, we would normally consider as pussy repellent.

To avoid misunderstanding. Are you a woman ? This sentence structured like someone is speaking from woman`s perspective and I got confued.

I stated my thoughts MC previously(I am not a fan), but in my opinion You and DeviantFun are too harsh on the story in that aspect.

Sure MC is soft indecisive(again in some situations he can hold his ground just fine) man, but not every woman want the same. MC is good looking, kind empathetic man, which are qualities that many women appreciate. He is also well spoken and dont come across as mumbling fool. He even has stable full time job which is more than your average harem protag.

In short I dont get the hate of that part of the game. But I understand where it is coming from.

I think it all goes back to what I mentioned about can't take the harem out of the harem dev. 90% of harem games have a protagonist who has zero traits you would associate with a womanizing player type. They are usually kinda simpy, passive, introvert dudes who just go with the flow and by doing chores requested, they get points for pussy. You are more likely to find attractive male traits in ntr antagonists than harem, but even there, it's full of fat ugly bastards. I'm convinced that most game devs actively hate the male type that gets a lot of pussy irl, so they are committed on writing stories where the opposite gets it instead

The story of L&J, which is trying to be serious and realistic, and realistic protag and LI`s of LJ just dont mesh together with harem elements, which are usually opposite of realistic. Which makes it more obvious that if you are just a dude and not the emperor of the Ottoman Empire, then you most likely will not have a harem lol.

 

[InactiveK]

MCs inconsistent characterisation makes a bit more sense if he is bipolar manic depressive. If you are depressed you don't normally rapidly recover, turn around and then plan a pool party (his first party even). MC went from suicidal to cheerfully hosting multiple guests in swimwear nearly overnight.

If he is bipolar and swinging between depression and mania then it starts to make a bit more sense. Each period of increasingly extreme depression will swing into a correspondingly strong period of mania. His mania is more pronounced at work, a place he feels safe, and which he repeatedly retreated to during act 1, because he doesn't associate it so strongly with negative events, allowing his depression to naturally give way to mania.

Mania is basically the opposite of depression. Instead of hopelessness, sadness, fatigue, a sense of worthlessness, and other negative emotions, you might feel excessive confidence, racing thoughts, impulsivity, an increased sex drive, and in general just act out of character. This explains why sometimes he's very passive in his behaviour (depressed) and other times he's confident to the point of being inappropriate (manic).

Taking that and the memory slips into account, MC seems to be heading for a nervous breakdown...

 

[AL.d]

The game straight up telling us that the MC is attractive. When the story is straight up telling you something, there is no need
to interpret it any other way. Every woman(and some men lol) in the story is attracted to him, there is no need to argue with the author. Within the story its straight up fact.

An irrelevant statement. If a story tells me something, but that something is not backed up by it, I don't need to accept it like someone with no critical thinking. I will point out the inconsistency.

To avoid misunderstanding. Are you a woman ? This sentence structured like someone is speaking from woman`s perspective and I got confued.

I stated my thoughts MC previously(I am not a fan), but in my opinion You and DeviantFun are too harsh on the story in that aspect.

Sure MC is soft indecisive(again in some situations he can hold his ground just fine) man, but not every woman want the same. MC is good looking, kind empathetic man, which are qualities that many women appreciate. He is also well spoken and dont come across as mumbling fool. He even has stable full time job which is more than your average harem protag.

In short I dont get the hate of that part of the game. But I understand where it is coming from.

I don't need to be a woman to know what male traits women generally find attractive. It's just a matter of basic social awareness. The number of men who are the type of pussy magnets you often see in those games, is not large. In fact, with dating apps dominating dating, it's even easier to quantify and see what personality traits they seem to share.

I found interesting that you mention the mumbling fool part though, because there are definitely parts of the game where he is portrayed as such. And he even comments on it himself.

The story of L&J, which is trying to be serious and realistic, and realistic protag and LI`s of LJ just dont mesh together with harem elements, which are usually opposite of realistic. Which makes it more obvious that if you are just a dude and not the emperor of the Ottoman Empire, then you most likely will not have a harem lol.

I don't get what you mean here. I thought it obvious that by harem I mean the way the tag is used on this site. Not actual harems.

And while the dev says it's not harem, the game definitely has many common traits with those games. The most prominent one being an inexplicable attraction of any female in the MC's vicinity.

 

[DeviantFun]

The game straight up telling us that the MC is attractive. When the story is straight up telling you something, there is no need
to interpret it any other way. Every woman(and some men lol) in the story is attracted to him, there is no need to argue with the author. Within the story its straight up fact.



To avoid misunderstanding. Are you a woman ? This sentence structured like someone is speaking from woman`s perspective and I got confued.

I stated my thoughts MC previously(I am not a fan), but in my opinion You and DeviantFun are too harsh on the story in that aspect.

Sure MC is soft indecisive(again in some situations he can hold his ground just fine) man, but not every woman want the same. MC is good looking, kind empathetic man, which are qualities that many women appreciate. He is also well spoken and dont come across as mumbling fool. He even has stable full time job which is more than your average harem protag.

In short I dont get the hate of that part of the game. But I understand where it is coming from.



The story of L&J, which is trying to be serious and realistic, and realistic protag and LI`s of LJ just dont mesh together with harem elements, which are usually opposite of realistic. Which makes it more obvious that if you are just a dude and not the emperor of the Ottoman Empire, then you most likely will not have a harem lol.

Yes, you are right, the game tells us that he is insanely good looking, so much that anyone looking at his falls in love instantly, we agree 100% on this.

He is defined as an "odd, handsome, gentle,kind man".

I find your description of him as a character from another game.
He is not a mumbling fool? He is half the time, let's look only at act 2:
- goes all weird with Anna about Will, stumbling around.
- spends half of his celebration party stumbling and whining (with good reason but this is beyond the scope of the current point)
- every time the pimp teases him he stutters like a fool, aside when he has to say that he is, indeed, a simp.
- Stumbles when flirting with Veronica, inviting her to the library and then retracting everything
- His "no intimacy" discourse before the kw is an abysmal "skirt around the issue" worthy of the best politician
- He goes all exclusive and passive aggressive on Veronica when she asks a question to the pimp, DURING A WEEKEND TAILORED TO KNOW EACH OTHER BETTER.
- We could include every interaction he has with Dianne.

A story should not TELL you something, it needs to SHOW you.
If we need to believe or feel that MC is great, he should, at least sometimes, be great.
Yet this never happens in the game, like never.
If having a stable job (he was well sought after even before the director promotion) is the standard we are setting here for several women to fall madly in love to the point of purchasing huge quantities of drugs to snatch you from your current partner then I concede.

Gentleness and kindness are surely good characteristics to have, and he is shown to have those, but are those two traits enough?
Are they enough for every single woman to fall madly in love?
Are they enough for an ADULT to be considered a irresistible partner?

The pimp has her panties wet when the Evan event was being discussed, because she likes cocky guys (sexual offenders?) it seems, BUT she is in love with the least cocky guy on the planet, unless when he is being extremely inappropriate with colleagues.

So, while I almost always agree with you, I cannot find evidence of what you are depicting.
He holds his ground literally 3 times in the whole game:
- finding Jared in the hot tub
- Isaac at the club
- Maybe Jared at the gym

He has a single moment of victory, which is the Jared takedown, and even then others do quite a bit of work there (narrative reasons, author wants to show Jared as isolated while MC can win with the power of friendship).

This is how the author wrote him, this is the introduction we have of him:
He suffers years not being able to know where Lacey is.
Anna finds her in less than a week.
Barty got a whole biography of her in less than that.
Jared even has signed copies.

MC was never able to find her OR even tried to look for her, I don't know which one is worse.

So it is not a matter of being harsh or kind, it is a matter of what is being presented.

Oh and I don't mind the harem/poly whatever, I kinda like it because it can bring some dynamics to the current relationship I am curious to see.
This is also a great step forward for Lacey, and you know I root for our little fuck up sex toilet. (Only character to show growth and willingness to be held accountable)

 

[MightbeSomeone]

The MC in this game for the entire time away at college never once tried to find the girl he "loved" he never attempted to change schools to be with her, he never did shit other than fill sorry for himself, He then when he finds her allowed the PIMP to destroy him with the past revelations about the girl he loved, he then allowed his "love" to abuse and deny him in the most awful ways. He is a weak spineless cuck . And man I wish the game allowed the player to make him more than that but it does no such thing

 

[DeviantFun]

The MC in this game for the entire time away at college never once tried to find the girl he "loved" he never attempted to change schools to be with her, he never did shit other than fill sorry for himself, He then when he finds her allowed the PIMP to destroy him with the past revelations about the girl he loved, he then allowed his "love" to abuse and deny him in the most awful ways. He is a weak spineless cuck . And man I wish the game allowed the player to make him more than that but it does no such thing

Now I know that I made a similar point, but now you are throwing so much shade that it smells like shifting blame just to make him some sort of enemy.

Accountability is very important.

MC really loves Lacey, he is literally the only character that does, inconditionally, he is pure.

When I talk about being able to find Lacey, I underline how the author kinda fumbled with the concept, he made her too easy to find to Anna and others to the point where it puts MC in a bad light just to marry the narrative.

He should have had a news article or something like that come out, that Anna finds, or her hearing through the grapevines that some guys wanted to go to a famous party to a college out of state, stuff like that.

In reality, not chasing endlessly and not looking for her cpuld be a sign of respect of her choice.
Transferring out of state to be In the same school as a person that just told you to kindly fuck off? The term self respect just entered the chat.

Lacey leaving is on Lacey, nothing else really matters, her sin is hers to bear.
Which she accepts btw, as the only character, besides MC, that actually tries to be accountable.

The pimp mistreating him and trying to ruin his marriage ( twice) when he just asked for clarity is on the pimp.
MC is innocent there.

As for the cucking comments, it is important to realize that MC traits are all related to fear of abandonment.
Lacey did it once, when everything was "better", why shouldn't she do it now, at a moment's notice?
He let's her do things because he fear that if he doesn't, it will be over.
This is kinda hinted in act 1 ("bit you will be disappointed") but it is clearly explained in act 2.

As far as having a more assertive MC....well that is what most people want, I got my hopes up at the beginning of act 2, but it didn't go far.

 

[MightbeSomeone]

And the unconditional love gets him what? Pain and confusion

 

[Maviarab]

And the unconditional love gets him what? Pain and confusion

Sounds about right....

 

[GustavoGanz]

Sorry, I don't really understand. What difference does the DEV make between NTR* and NTRS*?

 

[Maviarab]

Sorry, I don't really understand. What difference does the DEV make between NTR* and NTRS*?

There is one NTR scene. It's not classed as it as the MC is manipulated into agreeing (it really is though, she force cucks you). There is one 'sharing' scene. Fully consensual...2 stages of what may happen...player choice.

There are numerous 'pics' of Lacey in her 'college days'...before you get married.....consider those as whataver you like but they are not NTR as she was not yours then.

 

[Dragonlight]

Always been on the fence about MC. Honestly ? I think you guys convinced me. I think I forgot some parts and part of it is that I treated him as another harem protag and gave him to much benefit of doubt.

I stated before that that I think he is too passive and could have avoided many pitfalls with Lacey if he had been more proactive.

I think I at some point even thought(I think I mentioned this before) like Silken on Demand here. MC is becoming toxic and every little thing triggers him. They seem little from outside and he has legitimate reasons for it, but nevertheless. No matter how much you love somebody at some point anyone may get tired of this constant walking on eggshells and mood swings. He needs help from professional.

So please dont misunderstand what I am trying to say. I am writing this not as much in defense of the MC, more in defense of the Author. So MC ends up as collateral damage in the process.

Gentleness and kindness are surely good characteristics to have, and he is shown to have those, but are those two traits enough?
Are they enough for every single woman to fall madly in love?
Are they enough for an ADULT to be considered a irresistible partner?

That`s a bit of a strawman. MC has other traits. Not every woman falls in love with him, not to mention madly. And the cast consist mostly of just out of college graduates with zero relationship experience. Or negative experience.

A story should not TELL you something, it needs to SHOW you.
If we need to believe or feel that MC is great, he should, at least sometimes, be great.
Yet this never happens in the game, like never.
If having a stable job (he was well sought after even before the director promotion) is the standard we are setting here for several women to fall madly in love to the point of purchasing huge quantities of drugs to snatch you from your current partner then I concede.

Why MC need to be great ? Is author trying to tell us MC is great ? Or you saying people can only fall for great people ? What about all the happily married regular shmucks ?

This is strawman again, you again putting words in my mouth, I never said this is the only reason. And to answer the question - yes. For this women this is enough. Because they literally did it in the story we both have read. There is no standard setting here, only the fact that Mia is madly in love with MC and tried to steal him. You may say that Mia likes cocky guys and this out of character, but imo this is only sexual fantasy. Doesn`t mean she wants to be in any romantic relationships with "cocky guys".

Another point is you said you cant find evidence of MC being able to stand for himself, but listed 3 instances of him standing up for himself. Plus victory over Jared, he used his natural ability to make friends and communication skills to win.

In short while I agree that MC is not right in the head, the fact that many women are attracted to him is not something that bothers me much in this story, especially compared to how everyone love Mia. If I imagine him without Lacey trauma he seem like an all right guy to me. The enigma for me is Anna. She seem to have normal life, no trauma that we know of, well adjusted individual. Why she got so tangled up with these lunatics is a bit of a mystery.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

Those we smile and nod and ignore just as long
as they do their job as a good provider.

Sounds like you and your friend arent that different. As long as you get a benefit, as long as you get provided, you accept that treatment and use of those "man babies", whatever you wanna call them. As long as they are useful you acknowledge their existence to a point. How was the saying?, a man is loved for what he provides, never solely by being himself.

I wanted to fix things that weren't actually broken

That sound very much like Lacey.

There was nothing I could do to change that, but my hope is
the MC wakes up finally and realizes that HE is the villain in this. He's drowning in his own toxicity instead
of doing the right thing.

HE is the villain? Fuck it. HE is the victim. He may be dumb as fuck an idiot and spineless, but he is not a villain, god forbid a man has emotions and expresses them, you really sound like you would fit as part of the character cast.

Blaming the MC for having reasonable emotional responses for such situations?. He was lied into a wedding. Gaslightend numerous times. Emotionally blackmailed into accepting things he never wanted. His emotions and opinions ignored and overuled by his loved one. Cheated and hurt for some selfpleasure by his trusted and even thrown in his face that it was for his own good. His own friends lie, gaslight and defend his wife, saying that his behabiour is irrational and at the same time keep showing photos of how his wife is a complete slut. He was used and abandoned for years by the one that claims that it loves him more than anyone, yet she also claims and shows that she dosent give a fuck about him and has no problem hurting him.

His inner circle of friends are composed of monsters, and yet he is the villain? For what? For having anger towards someone that uses your good will against you? Doubts towards people that lie to him on daily basis? For yelling at someone that has intentionally hurt him despite being the one supposed to love him the most? Having resentment towards the one that has betrayed him in multiple ocassions? All reasonable and expected things for what it has done to him, and even all his reactions fall short.

He has his faults, but he is not a villain, not for what he has done nor what he has felt. At worst you can blame him for being spineless and some flirting with the work crushes, which all the females around him downplay the importance when they do it. Double standards. You cant expect the inexperienced ex-virgin loner that never paid attention to other women to realize his effect over other women. Like is said in the game, a baby with a tank. It just happens that the tank is badly written.

For last, i would like to know what you consider "doing the right thing" is. To me the right things is dropping the dead weight, i would get out of there, cut ALL of them of my life, if necesary move out of the city, hell, moving out of the planet and that still could be considered staying too close. What is your doing the right thing?

It took someone who looks like a 12 year old to wake him up that the girl in the video wasn't his wife.

And apparently the worth of a woman is once again her physical appearance. What the hell has Christine appearance has to do with her IT skills? Cant a 12 year looking woman have the skill to identify a deepfake?

Sure, you could blame the MC, a supossed IT expert, and say he is the one that should have figured it out. I could say that he was in an emotional state and wasnt even looking at that video on a technical point at all. You know, having been cheated and utterly betrayed like 3 weeks ago proved that the wife could do something like that. Hell, even the wife and her friends thought that she could have done it. So the 3 second flip is kind of justified.


Im sorry to say it crudely like this, but, Silken on Demand, you sound toxic too for blaming the victim. I dont know what happened with your ex, nor i care, i had my share of toxic women in my life from my mother to some ex. I have seen your attitude. You would fit right into the story, you would get along with some of the characters.

 

[Lestrouduc]

Sounds like you and your friend arent that different. As long as you get a benefit, as long as you get provided, you accept that treatment and use of those "man babies", whatever you wanna call them. As long as they are useful you acknowledge their existence to a point. How was the saying?, a man is loved for what he provides, never solely by being himself.


That sound very much like Lacey.


HE is the villain? Fuck it. HE is the victim. He may be dumb as fuck an idiot and spineless, but he is not a villain, god forbid a man has emotions and expresses them, you really sound like you would fit as part of the character cast.

Blaming the MC for having reasonable emotional responses for such situations?. He was lied into a wedding. Gaslightend numerous times. Emotionally blackmailed into accepting things he never wanted. His emotions and opinions ignored and overuled by his loved one. Cheated and hurt for some selfpleasure by his trusted and even thrown in his face that it was for his own good. His own friends lie, gaslight and defend his wife, saying that his behabiour is irrational and at the same time keep showing photos of how his wife is a complete slut. He was used and abandoned for years by the one that claims that it loves him more than anyone, yet she also claims and shows that she dosent give a fuck about him and has no problem hurting him.

His inner circle of friends are composed of monsters, and yet he is the villain? For what? For having anger towards someone that uses your good will against you? Doubts towards people that lie to him on daily basis? For yelling at someone that has intentionally hurt him despite being the one supposed to love him the most? Having resentment towards the one that has betrayed him in multiple ocassions? All reasonable and expected things for what it has done to him, and even all his reactions fall short.

He has his faults, but he is not a villain, not for what he has done nor what he has felt. At worst you can blame him for being spineless and some flirting with the work crushes, which all the females around him downplay the importance when they do it. Double standards. You cant expect the inexperienced ex-virgin loner that never paid attention to other women to realize his effect over other women. Like is said in the game, a baby with a tank. It just happens that the tank is badly written.

For last, i would like to know what you consider "doing the right thing" is. To me the right things is dropping the dead weight, i would get out of there, cut ALL of them of my life, if necesary move out of the city, hell, moving out of the planet and that still could be considered staying too close. What is your doing the right thing?


And apparently the worth of a woman is once again her physical appearance. What the hell has Christine appearance has to do with her IT skills? Cant a 12 year looking woman have the skill to identify a deepfake?

Sure, you could blame the MC, a supossed IT expert, and say he is the one that should have figured it out. I could say that he was in an emotional state and wasnt even looking at that video on a technical point at all. You know, having been cheated and utterly betrayed like 3 weeks ago proved that the wife could do something like that. Hell, even the wife and her friends thought that she could have done it. So the 3 second flip is kind of justified.


Im sorry to say it crudely like this, but, Silken on Demand, you sound toxic too for blaming the victim. I dont know what happened with your ex, nor i care, i had my share of toxic women in my life from my mother to some ex. I have seen your attitude. You would fit right into the story, you would get along with some of the characters.

CLAP CLAP CLAP his post revolted me, and then your reply appeared as if by magic. And yes, unfortunately for this poor MC, it's just a story because any normal man would have left thousands of miles ago.