VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[Maviarab]

Generally i would agree with you its unhealthy, but Lacey is beyond general in terms of mental stability. yes she has a good support group, but at work shes literally a walking target that has already been targeted multiple times at work and she literally fucked up all three times due to her narcissism. also giving her time to rest and work out her mental stability by not giving her Options that allow her narcissism to effect her daily life is an absolute must.
At home she can focus on herself by goiing to therapy as she should be, watching after her child for the first 5 years which is harder to do than most people realize, plus she has her friends that the MC has around him to help support her.
I am not saying she has to lock herself up in her home im saying a career can and will make Lacey even more unstable due to,
as its already proven, the ability to make her mental state and her cheating much worse than its already been shown.
Reason being ? work Enviroment has what? a ton of people.
Each one can target her as its already been shown shes a massive target for multiple guys, she loves the attention, craves it almost.
And you want to call that healthy for their marriage ? to me its disgusting that anyone would actually say its healthy for her to destroy her marriage by giving her the freedom to damage her mental state more by giving her the enviroment that has proven itself to be the best place accelerate her Narcassistic ways even with support its literally 100x worse they makeing her a stay at home mom.
Like feeding a Monster its favorite food in its favorite hunting ground.
Yes she can still cheat while even at home, but with limited Options and more controlled so she can focus on her mental state than just having to not only manage a fucked up career a fucked up marriage that is spiraling downwards as it is. Normally yes its good to have a Career and have a Social life
and do the things they want in life. AGIAN Lacey isnt exactly in a normal state of mind.
Her MENTAL HEALTH is stupidly damage not only from her family but also from her college days.
Giving her time to focus on that MENTAL HEALTH is paramount to any career
Between Narcassism and emotional manipulation she is like a ticking time bomb in public.

So you're expecting everyone to just give up their lives and help Lacey raise the child? Really?

The reality is....for the vast majority of time....she will be alone, at home...with a newborn/toddler, while being extra hormonal, emotional and vulnerable and isolated.

If you think that's good for the mental health of a drug addict then I really don't know what to tell you. Also, as I've already said to you....if you think this will stop her from being targeted and or doing dumb stuff, you're delusional as it will often times just exasperate the problem.

So what's your solution hmm? Make her a slave, no life, not allow her keys to the door so she can't leave the apartment? Are you actually being fucking serious right now? Now, how about you and your little Silken simp support group (you all know who you are) go and find something better to do with your lives hmm?

 

[Dragonlight]

Generally i would agree with you its unhealthy, but Lacey is beyond general in terms of mental stability. yes she has a good support group, but at work shes literally a walking target that has already been targeted multiple times at work and she literally fucked up all three times due to her narcissism. also giving her time to rest and work out her mental stability by not giving her Options that allow her narcissism to effect her daily life is an absolute must.
At home she can focus on herself by goiing to therapy as she should be, watching after her child for the first 5 years which is harder to do than most people realize, plus she has her friends that the MC has around him to help support her.
I am not saying she has to lock herself up in her home im saying a career can and will make Lacey even more unstable due to,
as its already proven, the ability to make her mental state and her cheating much worse than its already been shown.
Reason being ? work Enviroment has what? a ton of people.
Each one can target her as its already been shown shes a massive target for multiple guys, she loves the attention, craves it almost.
And you want to call that healthy for their marriage ? to me its disgusting that anyone would actually say its healthy for her to destroy her marriage by giving her the freedom to damage her mental state more by giving her the enviroment that has proven itself to be the best place accelerate her Narcassistic ways even with support its literally 100x worse they makeing her a stay at home mom.
Like feeding a Monster its favorite food in its favorite hunting ground.
Yes she can still cheat while even at home, but with limited Options and more controlled so she can focus on her mental state than just having to not only manage a fucked up career a fucked up marriage that is spiraling downwards as it is. Normally yes its good to have a Career and have a Social life
and do the things they want in life. AGIAN Lacey isnt exactly in a normal state of mind.
Her MENTAL HEALTH is stupidly damage not only from her family but also from her college days.
Giving her time to focus on that MENTAL HEALTH is paramount to any career
Between Narcassism and emotional manipulation she is like a ticking time bomb in public.

I think you overstate her mental health problems, you make it sound like Lacey cant help herself and jump any dick offered.
While in the game she didn`t do anything like that, she played along with Jared for the job opportunity, not attention. Damien was hitting on her for some time, but nothing came out of it until the "love experiment". She actually in a better place right now than she was year ago. Her husband though...Yeah her growth came at a cost, she wounded him in the process of learning. She is not unhinged time bomb currently.

Yeah she is getting a lot of unwanted attention, but so is any other attractive woman. And she has to learn to deal with it, again like any other "mad attractive" woman, otherwise raising child for 5 years is just postponing problem for later.

Anyway some idea popped in my head while I was contemplating Lacey`s behavior.
Did she actually wanted to fuck Bastian, and coerced MC to greenlight it ? Some things dont fit to me, but any thoughts anyone ? If you have any counter arguments please provide.

 

[Maviarab]

Anyway some idea popped in my head while I was contemplating Lacey`s behavior.
Did she actually wanted to fuck Bastian, and coerced MC to greenlight it ? Some things dont fit to me, but any thoughts anyone ? If you have any counter arguments please provide.

It's all very vague. She obviously did know 'of him'...had she spoke to him before the event? Quite possible while they were organising the meet up. Was she as oblivious as she tried to make out 'at the bar'...I sure as hell don't think so, she knew exactly who he was and why he was there in my opinion and she had picked him.

Was it planned to be with him from before her and Veronica got there? Who knows...far too much of the whole scenario is left too intentionally vague. I guess it all depends on which side of the succubus fence you're on.

Wouldn't trust her to tell you what you're watching on TV? Or benefit of the doubt? I know which side I sit on heh, given she did very much manipulate the MC into agreeing to it (when in the guest room)...and certainly imo, went to the event/meeting 'fully prepared''.

If you are are actually meaning Morty (bald dude - jealousy date)...then the kiss is pure miscommunication. The BJ...is MC getting angry and almost hate telling her to do it. After that? The sex with Morty is very much then the succubus' decision imo.

 

[Lestrouduc]

I think you overstate her mental health problems, you make it sound like Lacey cant help herself and jump any dick offered.
While in the game she didn`t do anything like that, she played along with Jared for the job opportunity, not attention. Damien was hitting on her for some time, but nothing came out of it until the "love experiment". She actually in a better place right now than she was year ago. Her husband though...Yeah her growth came at a cost, she wounded him in the process of learning. She is not unhinged time bomb currently.

Yeah she is getting a lot of unwanted attention, but so is any other attractive woman. And she has to learn to deal with it, again like any other "mad attractive" woman, otherwise raising child for 5 years is just postponing problem for later.

Anyway some idea popped in my head while I was contemplating Lacey`s behavior.
Did she actually wanted to fuck Bastian, and coerced MC to greenlight it ? Some things dont fit to me, but any thoughts anyone ? If you have any counter arguments please provide.

what? but of course she wanted to fuck Damian and forced MC to let her do it...but originally it was supposed to be someone unknown taken at random in the bar except that by her usual manipulation, she had already planned everything in advance, well yes, while doing it, she might as well fuck a handsome guy she already knew...and while doing it, use her mouth to suck, kiss and even better a good creampie, in short everything that MC had asked her not to do!

 

[Dragonlight]

what? but of course she wanted to fuck Damian and forced MC to let her do it...but originally it was supposed to be someone unknown taken at random in the bar except that by her usual manipulation, she had already planned everything in advance, well yes, while doing it, she might as well fuck a handsome guy she already knew...and while doing it, use her mouth to suck, kiss and even better a good creampie, in short everything that MC had asked her not to do!

It's all very vague. She obviously did know 'of him'...had she spoke to him before the event? Quite possible while they were organising the meet up. Was she as oblivious as she tried to make out 'at the bar'...I sure as hell don't think so, she knew exactly who he was and why he was there in my opinion and she had picked him.

Was it planned to be with him from before her and Veronica got there? Who knows...far too much of the whole scenario is left too intentionally vague. I guess it all depends on which side of the succubus fence you're on.

Wouldn't trust her to tell you what you're watching on TV? Or benefit of the doubt? I know which side I sit on heh (given she did very much manipulate the MC into agreeing to it (when in the guest room)...and certainly imo, went to the event/meeting 'fully prepared''.

If you are are actually meaning Morty (bald dude - jealousy date)...then the kiss is pure miscommunication. The BJ...is MC getting angry and almost hate telling her to do it. After that? The sex with Morty is very much then the succubus' decision imo.

No, I mean it was supposed to be Damian from the beginning. As I remember he is a fellow graphic designer from work. And was hitting on her from the get go. So she used the work trip and their open relationship experiment situation to fuck him.

I personally think that he was just the easiest option, he was already there and willing, and needed the least amount of work on her part. That`s why she picked him.

Or it goes deeper and she planned to fuck Damien even before the work trip. That is two possibilities that I have.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

Anyway some idea popped in my head while I was contemplating Lacey`s behavior.
Did she actually wanted to fuck Bastian, and coerced MC to greenlight it ?

For not wanting to fuck Damian/Bastian, she for sure let him cum twice inside. So...

The theory was that it would be some random dude to show that sex with others means nothing to her. And as usual the MC allowed it by fear of coming as not loving her and fear that by refusing she would abandon him.

Now, if i dont remember wrong the sequence of events is they have a work reunion (Veronica, Lacey and Damian assist), she goes to the hotel to change clothes and took the K, while veronica and damian go to the bar directly. Lacey comes to the bar gets tequila and flirts with/get flirted by Damian, leaves with him. Veronica takes the photo of both leaving and send it to MC.

While is not exactly stated that she was seeking to fuck him in particular from the beggining, we have to take in mind that both of them are artists in the same company, there is quite a possibility that they have talked before maybe online, shared and passed artwork between them and that it is possible that at some point Damian praised her and her artwork, triggering the validation that she seeks so much.

If i dont get it wrong, the fact that she took the drugs after or before reading the messages is not mentioned. Anyway at some point she did fuck him breaking all the rules, including that she was fucking someone that she knew. And she did it willingly and knowing that it was hurting the MC as she admited (while trying to get a rise from the apathic MC she admits that she knew who he was, later she admits to breaking the rules to hurt him in the convo after Isaac appology.

 

[Maviarab]

No, I mean it was supposed to be Damian from the beginning. As I remember he is a fellow graphic designer from work. And was hitting on her from the get go. So she used the work trip and their open relationship experiment situation to fuck him.

He was from the East Coast office/dept. So she'd never 'met' him before going out there with Veronica. So if he was 'constantly' hitting on her, it was over phone/email/text etc. That's why I said/asked...how much communication did they have 'prior' to actually meeting? Never really brought up/stated or anything otherwise. I just 'assume' she would have had some contact with him leading up to going over there (and then obviously, would have actually met in the meeting prior to the evening).

However, for me, yes, she had already decided it was going to be him long before she got to the bar.

 

[Dragonlight]

He was from the East Coast office/dept. So she'd never 'met' him before going out there with Veronica. So if he was 'constantrly' hitting on her, it was over phone/email/text etc. That's why I said/asked./..how much communication did they have 'prior' to actually meeting? Never really brought up/stated or anything otherwise. I just 'assume' she would have some contact with him leading up to going over there.

Oh you right then. I forgot that he was from other branch. I just remember Lacey called him graphic designer guy from work and as soon as he saw her he started hitting on her. My bad.

Edit
Hmm. There is literally no way to know for sure until she fess up for real. But why they needed to meet at the bar if she decided long before that ? Could`ve skipped that part.

 

[Maviarab]

Oh you right then. I forgot that he was from other branch. I just remember Lacey called him graphic designer guy from work and as soon as he saw her he started hitting on her. My bad.

Well again...it's all very intentionally vague and I doubt now we'll ever know. After communicating by email/phone over the meeting and presentations...I assume he probably do go straight for the 'kill' so to speak once he saw her and she was her usually friendly and flirty self.

Again, did he already know the plan, had she told him...had she picked him already....exchanged photo's? All interesting info lost in the ether unfortunately and as said, will probably stay lost, as knowing more could be even more damning for her.

Again though, I've said before. She did not just find 'someone selling a stash big enough to kill you on the dark web'...just like that...and someone close by for that matter too. All in what...the space of an hour or less? Really...that's what she wants to peddle as the truth? Fuck off bitch....

Also don't forget, she had already bought the dress days ahead of time too. It was all planned....every last detail.. as far as I'm concerned. I will never believe otherwise.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

and don't forget she already bought the dress days ahead of time too

The K and the dress could have been also purchased for the supossed random dude that was part of the explained/original plan.

What is really in doubt is if she had a target in mind from the beggining. Was he chosen before the travel, in the work reunion or during the flirting at the bar? And i thing it was at the reunion, while she did not go to the travel with him in mind, after meeting him there i think that his interest and validation probably from work made her choose him and made her ignore the rules willingly.

 

[Dragonlight]

And she did it willingly and knowing that it was hurting the MC as she admited (while trying to get a rise from the apathic MC she admits that she knew who he was, later she admits to breaking the rules to hurt him in the convo after Isaac appology.

Are you sure ? I remember the when she tried to rile him up, but when she confessed to intentionally hurting MC ? Dont recall.

I remember how she acknowledged that she hurt him, but not intentionaly.

L "You are right. The whole Damian thing caught me off guard."
L "And you're also right that I was not a reliable partner."
L "As well as hurting you in the pursuit of pleasure."
L "So, it would be irresponsible to ignore your concerns about my... dormant fetishes as you called it."
L "I just want you to remember that there was a reason I was... not a reliable partner."
L "I should not have taken the ketamine."
L "That was an epic blunder."
L "I didn't ignore your boundaries or needs as an active act of defiance or an active act of hurting you."
L "I didn't know I was ignoring boundaries."
L "And I didn't know I was hurting you."

Well again...it's all very intentionally vague and I doubt now we'll ever know. After communicating by email/phone over the meeting and presentations...I assume he probably do go straight for the 'kill' so to speak once he saw her and she was her usually friendly and flirty self.

Again, did he already know the plan, had she told him...had she picked him already....exchanged photo's? All interesting info lost in the ether unfortunately and as said, will probably stay lost, as knowing more could be even more damning for her.

Again though, I've said before. She did not just find 'someone selling a stash big enough to kill you on the dark web'...just like that...and someone close by for that matter too. All in what...the space of an hour or less? Really...that's what she wants to peddle as the truth? Fuck off bitch....

Also don't forget, she had already bought the dress days ahead of time too. It was all planned....every last detail.. as far as I'm concerned. I will never believe otherwise.

Sometimes I think that excessive vagueness is just sloppy writing, sometimes not. And I tend to grant Lacey some benefit of doubt, until game prove me otherwise.

p.s. Have you seen Lacey music video on Professor`s YouTube channel ? It is kind of glimpse in how Professor himself see Lacey, so if you didn`t

You must be registered to see the links

.

 

[Maviarab]

The K and the dress could have been also purchased for the supossed random dude that was part of the explained/original plan.

What is really in doubt is if she had a target in mind from the beggining. Was he chosen before the travel, in the work reunion or during the flirting at the bar? And i thing it was at the reunion, while she did not go to the travel with him in mind, after meeting him there i think that his interest and validation probably from work made her choose him and made her ignore the rules willingly.

Not a reunion heh...

But yes. This is a possibility that once there, she decided it would be him. That's feasible yeah (and that he good looking helped). It still leaves huge holes in her story though. I originally said I think in PM, regarding taking the K with her. Even though an internal flight...still risky. One thing is for sure, she would never have had the time 'while there' to get her hands on it, not without coincidence on top of coincidence on top of convenient coincidence. At what point is it just too much to swallow?

However, given I firmly believe the whole thing was all pre-planned and arranged, I guess it is possible (and perhaps more feasible) that she found someone selling their 'deadly amount of stash' before she left and arranged to meet them. She would have very little time on Thursday, work all day...back to room...dinner/bar. So, if she found someone days earlier....remember she was supposed to be doing this the the night they got there (Wed). This does not happen, it happens the day after (Thu), so it's possible (and remember, how I think they are on the west coast), they leave in the afternoon, get to east coast in the evening (3 hours ahead), check in, have dinner etc etc...she then meets this person on the Wed night, say they arranged to meet at 10pm in the lobby for arguments sake.

Thursday comes around...she goes ahead with plan...yes, then gets cold feet (supposedly)...goes back to room...she already has the K ready and waiting. It's one or the other. She took it with her, or she already planned to pay for it as soon as got there. Either way....she was ready and prepared...she already had bought the K ahead of time....she knew she was going to use it all along...

p.s. Have you seen Lacey music video on Professor`s YouTube channel ? It is kind of glimpse in how Professor himself see Lacey, so if you didn`t

You must be registered to see the links

.

How wonderfully hypocritical

 

[EumenestheGood]

Are you sure ? I remember the when she tried to rile him up, but when she confessed to intentionally hurting MC ? Dont recall.

I remember how she acknowledged that she hurt him, but not intentionaly.




Sometimes I think that excessive vagueness is just sloppy writing, sometimes not. And I tend to grant Lacey some benefit of doubt, until game prove me otherwise.

p.s. Have you seen Lacey music video on Professor`s YouTube channel ? It is kind of glimpse in how Professor himself see Lacey, so if you didn`t

You must be registered to see the links

.

Im not usually into AI voiced music videos. But the proffeser did a good job with both that song and the songs for On Top of the Mountain. It's an intresting look into Lacey that more or less lines up with my thoughts about her from what has been portrayed in the story so far.

As for the Damian stuff I really do give her the benefit of the doubt. I dont think she went into that yearning to be dicked down by someone else. I think in her messed up mind she really thought it would help MC and defuse some his jealously. Obviously it was a dumb idea and spiraled out of control. But I truly do think it was a dumb idea born of good intentions and not a plot to have sex with another man for her own gratification. Honestly I truly believe that MC is enougth for her both romantically and sexually. They are the center of each other's world, to an unhealthy level. But it is a romatic type of unhealthy that is fun to read about in a story.

Overall im pretty optimistic about Lacey and where she will end up by games end. It's been a month or so since I last played the game so the details have been lost in a fog of other stuff(so feel free to correct me if im wrong about any of this.) But she really is trying to be a better partner and is taking active steps to achieve that. For example the therapy and taking notes about the stuff MC brings up. There's no doubt she has hurt him, and honestly the betrayal i hold against her the most is abandoning MC before college with no warning. Although even then i can understand her reasons for doing so.

Shes damaged. She can be manipulative and selfish in her desire to hold onto MC. And her ill thought out good intentions can cause her to do dumb shit. But I really think the foundation is in place for them to heal and grow in Act Three. And I think we are going to be looking at a happy ending if we keep those good guy points up.

 

[Maviarab]

But she really is trying to be a better partner

Oh...she certainly very trying....

and is taking active steps to achieve that

For example the therapy

Hmmm...according to her at least. No proof of any of it and imo, she missed her last appointment and quite possibly the appointment before that...so you tell me...is there a therapist? Remember, you only have this information from someone who has point blank lied to your face a minimum of 27 times...(twenty...seven...times) in four months (that's just the confirmed one's we even see/know about). That's fact btw...so...therapist every Thursday eh?

We'll see, you'll excuse me if I don't hold my breath. If she says to the MC it's nothing to worry about....

She can be is manipulative and selfish

Fixed that one for you

her ill thought out good intentions

What's the saying again? The road to hell is paved with those isn't it? Actions speak volumes...not words.

And I think we are going to be looking at a happy ending if we keep those good guy points up.

Of course we are...however convoluted (and painful for the MC) it is...of course we are.

 

[Dragonlight]

Im not usually into AI voiced music videos. But the proffeser did a good job with both that song and the songs for On Top of the Mountain. It's an intresting look into Lacey that more or less lines up with my thoughts about her from what has been portrayed in the story so far.

As for the Damian stuff I really do give her the benefit of the doubt. I dont think she went into that yearning to be dicked down by someone else. I think in her messed up mind she really thought it would help MC and defuse some his jealously. Obviously it was a dumb idea and spiraled out of control. But I truly do think it was a dumb idea born of good intentions and not a plot to have sex with another man for her own gratification. Honestly I truly believe that MC is enougth for her both romantically and sexually. They are the center of each other's world, to an unhealthy level. But it is a romatic type of unhealthy that is fun to read about in a story.

Overall im pretty optimistic about Lacey and where she will end up by games end. It's been a month or so since I last played the game so the details have been lost in a fog of other stuff(so feel free to correct me if im wrong about any of this.) But she really is trying to be a better partner and is taking active steps to achieve that. For example the therapy and taking notes about the stuff MC brings up. There's no doubt she has hurt him, and honestly the betrayal i hold against her the most is abandoning MC before college with no warning. Although even then i can understand her reasons for doing so.

Shes damaged. She can be manipulative and selfish in her desire to hold onto MC. And her ill thought out good intentions can cause her to do dumb shit. But I really think the foundation is in place for them to heal and grow in Act Three. And I think we are going to be looking at a happy ending if we keep those good guy points up.

I agree mostly.
I think that ending will be more complicated that that.
Just a remark. Lacey skipped some steps of normal growing up process, especially how to healthy interact with the opposite sex. She mostly tells them what they want to hear, even to her husband, thinking that she only need to do is to stroke "fragile male ego" to please men, and it usually sounds shallow. Only recently she got better.

She is stubborn and means well, I think, that`s why its fun for me to root for her while she fail and try again and fail again and try again...I am glad that I am not her husband though lol.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

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[Maviarab]

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She's such a sweetheart isn't she.....

 

[Dragonlight]

And she did it willingly and knowing that it was hurting the MC as she admited (while trying to get a rise from the apathic MC she admits that she knew who he was, later she admits to breaking the rules to hurt him in the convo after Isaac appology.

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Sorry, I don't agree that these quotes prove the above statement. That she knew, in the moment, that she was hurting MC.

First quote obviously was said to get the raise out of MC.

Second quote I quoted already and with more relevant part I think:

L "You are right. The whole Damian thing caught me off guard."
L "And you're also right that I was not a reliable partner."
L "As well as hurting you in the pursuit of pleasure."
L "So, it would be irresponsible to ignore your concerns about my... dormant fetishes as you called it."
L "I just want you to remember that there was a reason I was... not a reliable partner."
L "I should not have taken the ketamine."
L "That was an epic blunder."
L "I didn't ignore your boundaries or needs as an active act of defiance or an active act of hurting you."
L "I didn't know I was ignoring boundaries."
L "And I didn't know I was hurting you."

And in third she is realizing what she did was wrong and hurtful post factum.

So no I dont agree that she was willingly and knowingly hurting MC.

 

[Maviarab]

L "I didn't know I was ignoring boundaries."

So she reads the texts....and apparently (though what we see is the complete opposite) she is so blitzed, she is unable to comprehend a simple text message saying don't do this? (and some of the texts were before she finished work btw) Yet not quite so blitzed to be unable to remember who she is with or be unable to set up the stream equipment? Have I got that right?

So which is the truth? We both know....

Hehehe.....I love this train we're on.

 

[EumenestheGood]

I agree mostly.
I think that ending will be more complicated that that.
Just a remark. Lacey skipped some steps of normal growing up process, especially how to healthy interact with the opposite sex. She mostly tells them what they want to hear, even to her husband, thinking that she only need to do is to stroke "fragile male ego" to please men, and it usually sounds shallow. Only recently she got better.

She is stubborn and means well, I think, that`s why its fun for me to root for her while she fail and try again and fail again and try again...I am glad that I am not her husband though lol.

Those are some excellent points. It makes sense with having an abusive father that she would learn to use lying and telling men what she thinks they want to hear as defense mechanisms.

Shes definitely a character who is fun to root for. But yeah being her husband would certainly be a journey.

What are your thoughts on how the the good ending will go? I dont really have any concrete ideas on what shape it will take. The bad end on the other hand i have a pretty firm guess that it will be the MC strangling Lacey during sex. That idea has been brought up like three times now by Lacey? You dont bring up something like that in a story if you're not going somewhere with it..