VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[Maviarab]

Yeah...Mia's reaction is oh shit you're right. Why is that?

That does lend more creedance to you saying she wasn't on anything....Mia didn't realise because she wasn't acting like Mia would expect/has seen her before....problem we have here is that the effects of K on Lacey seem to differ every time she takes it. That is something I also don't just simply hand wave away with how many times she has used. I really doubt that would happen with a years long addict.

Hmmm...as I said, not sure which is worse, she premeditated buying the K knowing she wanted to use it...or it was all intentional without....

Either way, it's damning and there is zero excuses at all. She never lost control once, regardless.

 

[Sadi1987]

It's a really heavy emotional game. The only thing I can say about Layce is that she hides behind lies and secrets. I hope the game has a happy ending. I congratulate the producer for his success. Best regards.


Note:

Don't make me burn these innocent eyes of mine.
Should I believe you or her, I'm drowning in lies.
Just when I thought I'd forgotten, you got me.
And you looked at me while I was kissing her.
You, your hatred at its worst.
You drew me to you without a second thought.
A picture of you wasn't enough for this table.
Come back, and let my pride betray me again.

Don't make me sell this house, don't even make me sell the furniture.
You're the one who owns all the rooms, and I'm locked in my room.
I locked the door behind me and locked the door.
Even if no one lets me in, come.
Look at me as if you're unhappy.
Don't even ask where Love is.
I'm leaving. You know me, I can't stop.
With the dozens of tons you've put on my back.

Don't let me end my life before death.
My grudge is that you never let me forget you.
I'm evil, knowing this, don't kill me.
Come to my left side one night, like my angel. Don't look at me like an enemy.
Don't ask what happened while I was gone.
I'm dying, you know that.
I can't stop, with the dozens of endings you've placed on my life.

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You fell from my eyes like tears, look, I couldn't hold it back.
Don't look at me like that again.
Oh, my heart has no tongue, I can't love you now.

What dreams did you dream in my chest without me?
Oh, what battles did I fight, I died without you.
Oh, my heart has no tongue, I can't love you now.

Who did you see when you looked into my eyes?
Did you deceive me with those eyes you looked at?
I couldn't tell you to leave, I was yours, with everything I had.
Tell the truth, who did you close your eyes to on my shoulder?

You fell from my hands like a rose, look, I couldn't tear myself away.
Don't look at me like that again.
Oh, my heart has no tongue, I can't love you now.
Even when you said you would die, you laughed without me.
Even before you said you would die, I died without you.
Oh, my heart has no tongue, I cannot love you now.

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Layce:
No one loved me like you, my heart resists. Since your absence, my heart has been begging for love. Now my burden is heavy, a full train of troubles. I'm sorryne loved me like you, my heart resists. Since your absence, my heart has been begging for love. Now my burden is heavy, a full train of troubles. I'm sorry for hurting you. I'm sorry loved me like you, my heart resists. Since your absence, my heart has been begging for love. Now my burden is heavy, a full train of troubles. I'm sorry for hurting you. I'm sorry for the hours I didn't spare loved me like you, my heart resists. Since your absence, my heart has been begging for love. Now myen is heav full train of troubles. I'm sorry for hurting you. I'm sorry for the hours I didn't spare for you I'm sorry for the days I didn't visit you I'm angry at the roses I didn't pour on your hand I'm angry at the days I didn't look at your face. No one missed me like you, unfaithful one of my life. I regret it, you saw constant indifference. I knitted my own sweaters from their shredded flesh. I don't have the face to look at your face, turn off your lights. I was like a ghost, not understanding you was my belief. I was a tenant in your heart. It turns out that every tear you shed was a gallows. it's painful to miss, to resist you and I regret it, even if you don't believe even if you don't see, even if you don't hear my voice i have no expectations from you, I have a smileit's painful to miss, to resist you and I regret it, even if you don't believe even if you don't see, even if you don't hear my voice i have no expectations from you, I have a smile this is a simple letter in thit's painful to miss, to resist you and I regret it, even if you don't believe even if you don't see, even if you don't hear my voice i have no expectations from you, I have a smile this is a simple letter init's painful to miss, to resist you and I regret it, even if you don't believe even if you don't see, even if you don't hear my voice i have no expectations from you, I have a smile this is a simple letter in the filling of your eyes how could you love someone like me in your heart? how come you gave me your smile for years and years look, now you're away, that's what I used to say by myself i'm carrying my head banging against the wall, my love, I've beaten myself i'm angry at myself, I'm offended at myself now i've reduced that inky shit every touch you, when I can't take my ambition from myself here, let your absence keep the talisman send me your pain My love you don't deserve You don't have enough photos in dozens in the house. You don't deserve to cover up your wounds. Why do you still loveu don't have enough photos in dozens in the house. You don't deserve to cover up your wounds. Why do you still love me and not act coy? My love, don't love me, I didn't deserve you. I wasn't You don't have enough photos in dozens in the house. You don't deserve to cover up your wounds. Why do you still love me and not act coy? My love, don't love me, I didn't deseYou don't have enough photos in dozens in the house. You don't deserve to cover up your wounds. Why do you still love me and not act coy? My love, don't love me, I didn't deserve you. I wasn't enough when your heart was screaming. You said don't be sad, 'I'm not complaining.' How can I not be sad, it's my own regret? Set up a gallows on your roads so I can't reach you anymore. you know, I'm a silent movie this is the last honeymoon of the 'Treatise' I sent you i put the last money in my pocket again in this shit a wind blows, life goes from a rose One of my eyes is coal black, one day this oppression will end One day we will be born, maybe that day we will be mortals. Maybe we will burn somewhere, there will be a scar, the heart will smoke. No one understood me, I am as strange as you, what a strange person I am. I am as black a screen as in an empty roomMaybe we will burn somewhere, there will be a scar, the heart will smoke. No one understood me, I am as strange as you, what a strange person I am. I am as black a screen aMaybe we will burn somewhere, there will be a scar, the heart will smoke. No one understood me, I am as strange as you, what a strange person I am. I am as black a screen as in an empty room. My ember-knitted cardigans no longeMaybe we will burn somewhere, there will be a scar, the heart will smoke. No one understood me, I am as strange as you, what a strange person I am. I am as black a screen as in an empty room. My ember-knitted cardigans no longer warm me, because I bleed for the cold faces of people. I quit gambling, I quit lying. I regret the most that you disappeared from my hands. there's no sleep anymore either, I don't miss it I guess, i know you from the temple of the smell of a thousand and one flowers no one has ever loved me, may my life dry up like you you are the most lying topic in my room right now i know you're even more full than me but what remedy is the question that I can't solve in my mind you're the biggest gamble I've ever taken maybe it's summer there, maybe it's a winter's tale here succumb to your love and do not enter into the heart, thin this is your biggest injury, or maybe you'll freeze as a matter of fact, we fell into a broken heartmaybe it's summer there, maybe it's a winter's tale here succumb to your love and do not enter into the heart, thin this is your biggest injury, or maybe you'll freeze as a matter of fact, we fell into a er there, maybe it's a winter's tale here succumb to your love and do not enter into the heart, thin this is your biggest injury,

 

[Dragonlight]

As for the consecuencies of a fully aware affair. Thats what the drug is there for, its a nice excuse, isnt it? Oh i was disociated and i didnt meant harm... its convenient.

Ok she is going to have an affair, and knowingly takes K to cover her ass. It`s the same thing with extra step. Question is would she do that ?

I've explained, over and over....

Thats just assumptions. With merit sure, but wont hold up in court. There is no way to accurately recreate the sequence of events. There is just not enough information in the game.
Even at what exact moment she chose Damian is not clear. Before she took drugs, after ? At the bar ?

The only facts are. They fucked, they were at the bar together (Veronica saw them) and Lacey was on drugs.

 

[Maviarab]

Thats just assumptions. With merit sure, but wont hold up in court. There is no way to accurately recreate the sequence of events. There is just not enough information in the game.

What we know:

She manipulates the MC into agreeing to her being railed.
She bought the dress ahead of time.
They get there Wed evening.
She talks to MC that evening.
Thursday, she is at work all day, in meetings with the East Coast design team (her phone is conviently switched off btw).
She finishes at the normal time (it's confirmed what time she should finish...everyone is already at the MC's at this point).
At some point, she reads the texts/listens to voicemail..and ignores them.
(MC apartment is one continual shot/dialogue stream..no time skips here).
Sometime shortly afterwards....she appears on stream.

So...tell me as you wish to stay in denial....where/when/how did she find this stash of drugs on the dark web and also get her hands on them? Along with getting back to the room...after the meetings...getting changed....did they have dinner first...

Please. I'm not being an obstinate asshole on purpose btw...I want someone...to tell me...when she had the time. Because everything we are told and presented, in the story...she didn't...except maybe on the previous evening. Which makes it premeditated...not spur of the moment in a half-hour or so window because of cold feet as she says (which logically must mean she had already picked Bastion at this point..as the MC calls her out on this later).

Tell me what exactly I'm 'assuming'. I'm happy to wait.

Or, is she such an intelligent and experienced addict she can access people selling drugs on the internet 'just like that' while she was having her tuna sandwiches in her lunch hour while chatting to V...or even while flirting with Bastion...?

Edit: Lacey herself is incredibly vague about it all...as usual....well, let's be straight with each other here, we're friends....the only times in the story Lacey is vague...is when she is bare faced lying to our asses....

*holds hands up*

 

[DeviantFun]

It was all planned. Who, dress, when, what she would take.

Agree to disagree.

I've explained, over and over, she physically does not have the time to find someone selling their old stash (enough to kill you with, so not just an odd baggy found in a sock drawer)...who was conveniently close by....on the dark web...between leaving the bar and getting back there (an hour tops). If you believe that shit, you'll believe I'm the president of Tibet...Jesus Christ...

She knew before she even left she wanted it...she either had it with her,. or organised picking it up on the Wed night...As for intentionally huirting him, you know about K. It's a dissasociative drug. Doesn't blitz you...doesn't make you make dumb decisions...doesn't make you fall over down the stairs due to being intoxicated....so yes she had 4 shots....

Again...she read the messages....messages sent before she even left work with Veronica. She read them. She ignored them. Before she got drunk/high! Even if we give her the smallest benefit of the doubt, she read them after drinking and taking K....she wasn't so fucked up she didn't know who she was with....she wasn't so fucked up and blitzed enough to be able to set up the recording equipment...and she wasn't so fucked up enough to tell Bastion why/what she was doing...yet apparently,, she was too fucked up to not 'intentionally' break boundaries? Give me a break....if we believe her 'words' she'd be unable to even stand, consent or remember her own fucking name. She wasn't! If she was....Bastion would have legally raped her and he'd be in prison, not just getting a slapped wrist for taking a photo....Veronica would have been all over that shit.

Once again....her actions...do not match her words. All planned, all premeditated....she never gave two fucks and knew exactly what she was doing (probably before she even left on the Wed afternoon). 1000% at the point she left the bar, it had absolutely fuck all to do with helping the MC and all about her getting railed.

And I might add, as has been posted (not in full), the MC does call her out on all of this and her bullshit..point blank tells her she is lying...and she admits it. There really isn't a debate here I'm sorry. All that is up for debate is exactly where the K came from and at what point exactly before going to work on Thursday morning she obtained it.

Wait, the dress, the K and so on ARE premeditated, I am not arguing that, it is clear from the material.

The messages too, we know exactly she ignored them, and also why (doesn't make it better mind you).

If you recall, she doesn't even remember what she did until the pimp of all people asks her to watch the video, funny, I thought it was a stream but it was also being recorded, for what purpose I don't know....happy memories?

The only thing I am arguing about is the premeditation in fucking up the encounter with Bastion, what I said was: at that moment she cared about HER pleasure, ignoring MC.
So she did it willingly but without premeditation.

The lies discussion you are mentioning could easily be from when she was blitzed and didn't realize but then she admits she did those things.

If you want to go in a very cynical way to which I don't agree, with that video she lost control over both Christine and Jeanette, she might not have predicted that they would be there to watch, but even as a second hand recount the effect woulld have been similar.
If her plan is to control all female interactions MC has....well that would backfire heavily.

Yeah...Mia's reaction is oh shit you're right. Why is that?

That does lend more creedance to you saying she wasn't on anything....Mia didn't realise because she wasn't acting like Mia would expect/has seen her before....problem we have here is that the effects of K on Lacey seem to differ every time she takes it. That is something I also don't just simply hand wave away with how many times she has used. I really doubt that would happen with a years long addict.

Hmmm...as I said, not sure which is worse, she premeditated buying the K knowing she wanted to use it...or it was all intentional without....

Either way, it's damning and there is zero excuses at all. She never lost control once, regardless.

Mia is Mia, she doesn't care to know, Lacey has been blitzed for half the time they knew each other and she realized she was fucked up only in the terminal Lacey moments at the end.

She doesn't give a fuck, so she is unable to notice simple things about her "best friend".
She didn't even ask ONCE, during the whole college time, why Lacey was acting like that.

Christine has the same experience as her, but the difference is that Christine cared about her sister.

Again, maybe the author should try to make the pimp at least a bit likeable as a human being before fitting her in every scene as the hand of god that can help everyone.
She literally does the opposite.

Ok she is going to have an affair, and knowingly takes K to cover her ass. It`s the same thing with extra step. Question is would she do that ?



Thats just assumptions. With merit sure, but wont hold up in court. There is no way to accurately recreate the sequence of events. There is just not enough information in the game.
Even at what exact moment she chose Damian is not clear. Before she took drugs, after ? At the bar ?

The only facts are. They fucked, they were at the bar together (Veronica saw them) and Lacey was on drugs.

This we know, she is already fucked up when she went to the bar (she went to change in her room and took the K), and in her addled reasoning she chose a guy she "didn't know".

 

[Maviarab]

but it was also being recorded, for what purpose I don't know....happy memories?

with that video she lost control over both Christine and Jeanette

Well and truly. That's not being cynical, is a fact.

she might not have predicted that they would be there to watch

I'm sure it never entered her head...why would it? Why would they even be there? Why would any of them be there (she is herself confused why Mia is even there).

If her plan is to control all female interactions MC has....well that would backfire heavily.

Not would..has. There is a new crew...involving them two...which she is unaware of.

 

[Dragonlight]

What we know:

She manipulates the MC into agreeing to her being railed.
She bought the dress ahead of time.
They get there Wed evening.
She talks to MC that evening.
Thursday, she is at work all day, in meetings with the East Coast design team (her phone is conviently switched off btw).
She finishes at the normal time (it's confirmed what time she should finish...everyone is already at the MC's at this point).
At some point, she reads the texts/listens to voicemail..and ignores them.
(MC apartment is one continual shot/dialogue stream..no time skips here).
Sometime shortly afterwards....she appears on stream.

So...tell me as you wish to stay in denial....where/when/how did she find this stash of drugs on the dark web and also get her hands on them? Along with getting back to the room...after the meetings...getting changed....did they have dinner first...

Please. I'm not being an obstinate asshole on purpose btw...I want someone...to tell me...when she had the time. Because everything we are told and presented, in the story...she didn't...except maybe on the previous evening. Which makes it premeditated...not spur of the moment in a half-hour or so window because of cold feet as she says (which logically must mean she had already picked Bastion at this point..as the MC calls her out on this later).

Tell me what exactly I'm 'assuming'. I'm happy to wait.

Or, is she such an intelligent and experienced addict she can access people selling drugs on the internet 'just like that' while she was having her tuna sandwiches in her lunch hour while chatting to V...or even while flirting with Bastion...?

Edit: Lacey herself is incredibly vague about it all...as usual....well, let's be straight with each other here, we're friends....the only times in the story Lacey is vague...is when she is bare faced lying to our asses....

*holds hands up*

We don`t know her whole day, when she had time to buy drugs or not. Its an assumption. How hard it is to buy drugs on the dark web ? You assume its hard and should take a long time, I may assume from the story that its very easy, barely an inconvenience. I also may assume that drugs were delivered to her during the lunch break or something. What ? I assume someone eager to get rid of their stash maybe willing to do a delivery.

Also she knows that she might get cold feet so she gets the drugs just in case, or she is sure she will need them, doesn't matter . Cause it is an already fucked plan even without Bastian. How does that logically mean that she picked Basty already ? No connection between the two. I am not saying she didn`t, but I dont know for sure, I want to be fair.

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Also have you considered that if she just wanted to get railed then it is an stupidly overcomplicated plan ?

And as DeviantFun said she didn`t remember much while talking to Mia right after, she was like Damian who ? Maybe it a clue that she picked him when already high ?

This we know, she is already fucked up when she went to the bar (she went to change in her room and took the K), and in her addled reasoning she chose a guy she "didn't know".

She was already going to fuck somebody, and with her husband`s knowledge. So I don`t think she considered this as having an affair.

 

[MightbeSomeone]

We don`t know her whole day, when she had time to buy drugs or not. Its an assumption. How hard it is to buy drugs on the dark web ? You assume its hard and should take a long time, I may assume from the story that its very easy, barely an inconvenience. I also may assume that drugs were delivered to her during the lunch break or something. What ? I assume someone eager to get rid of their stash maybe willing to do a delivery.

Also she knows that she might get cold feet so she gets the drugs just in case, or she is sure she will need them, doesn't matter . Cause it is an already fucked plan even without Bastian. How does that logically mean that she picked Basty already ? No connection between the two. I am not saying she didn`t, but I dont know for sure, I want to be fair.

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Also have you considered that if she just wanted to get railed then it is an stupidly overcomplicated plan ?

And as DeviantFun said she didn`t remember much while talking to Mia right after, she was like Damian who ? Maybe it a clue that she picked him when already high ?



She was already going to fuck somebody, and with her husband`s knowledge. So I don`t think she considered this as having an affair.

Sure it is he was against it from the start - she is a vile person for ignoring him and then doing everything he asked her not to do. He should just walk away and let her do what ever she wants

 

[Diosvincenccio]

How hard it is to buy drugs on the dark web ? You assume its hard and should take a long time, I may assume from the story that its very easy, barely an inconvenience. I also may assume that drugs were delivered to her during the lunch break or something.

From my knowledge from work. Its a lot harder than you think, it would be easier to go to the shady part of the city and start searching the right type of people than trying in the dark web that requires certain kind of specific knowledge. And for god sake, drugs contrary to what some tv shows or movies make it belive, they dont come with the mail or in deliveries, this is not a door dash / glovo product.

Also she knows that she might get cold feet so she gets the drugs just in case, or she is sure she will need them, doesn't matter

It does matter since involves the potential to offuscate intention, the deliverate use can be a excuse to reduce blame and avoid acountability. If its a spur of a moment thing it has one motivation, if it was planed in advance is a lot more condemning.

How does that logically mean that she picked Basty already ? No connection between the two.

Planing in advance an excuse and a way to reduce your culpability indicates that she knew that what she was doing was wrong. (And i mean the disregard of the rules, not the "agreed" sex with others.)

And as @DeviantFun said she didn`t remember much while talking to Mia right after, she was like Damian who ? Maybe it a clue that she picked him when already high ?

That is an indication that she used, i admit. But she picked someone she knew and proceed to the cucking within minutes. Barelly no flirting with rational thoughs enough to set cameras, talk to Damian or send the link for example. If anything the disociation of the drugs triggered way later. Still the use of the drug was a rational and chosen action decided by her, one that contradicts her oppinion on sex (Sex with anyone else besides MC means nothing) so there was not a real need to use drugs except as a nice excuse for her future behaviour (Ignoring the stablished rules) from which she got an emotional charge at the cost of someone else mental and emotional health.

She was already going to fuck somebody, and with her husband`s knowledge. So I don`t think she considered this as having an affair.

Correct, and she would have been right if she had respected the rules. The whole manipulation to make him agreed or the disregard of his oppinions in the matter of having sex with another man is already debatable enough to consider if it was truly agreed. But for the sake of the argument lets say that a consent was declared by free choice on the basis that she had to follow certain conditions and rules. The moment she ignored them, and you can choose which one to pick since she basically broke every single one, the consent was retired. It transformed the act from a painful lesson that required sex with a third person (debatable if necessary but thats another discussion) into an outright cheating/affair. The fact that in convos previous to the act itself, she is the one that brings the consent to the table as a requeriment only reinforces the hipocresy of not recognizing the sex as cheating until later.

 

[Dragonlight]

From my knowledge from work. Its a lot harder than you think, it would be easier to go to the shady part of the city and start searching the right type of people than trying in the dark web that requires certain kind of specific knowledge. And for god sake, drugs contrary to what some tv shows or movies make it belive, they dont come with the mail or in deliveries, this is not a door dash / glovo product.

Lacey is an experienced drug user, so its reasonable to assume she knows where to look on the dark web. Besides where I live everyone buy drugs through the web. You pay and after they send you information where the stash is hidden in your area. Completely contactless.

It does matter since involves the potential to offuscate intention, the deliverate use can be a excuse to reduce blame and avoid acountability. If its a spur of a moment thing it has one motivation, if it was planed in advance is a lot more condemning.

She stated that she acquired drugs in advance and why she thought she needed them. What is she wanted to obfuscate exactly ? The better way to avoid accountability is to hide your affair from you husband altogether, you know. I mean we all know the chain of event that led to that, we know her motivation, what went wrong.

Planing in advance an excuse and a way to reduce your culpability indicates that she knew that what she was doing was wrong. (And i mean the disregard of the rules, not the "agreed" sex with others.)

Again, if she just wanted to fuck Bastian and avoid consequences she could`ve just do it, and kept it secret. But we know that was not the goal.

That is an indication that she used, i admit. But she picked someone she knew and proceed to the cucking within minutes. Barelly no flirting with rational thoughs enough to set cameras, talk to Damian or send the link for example. If anything the disociation of the drugs triggered way latter. Still the use of the drug was a rational and chosen action decided by her, one that contradicts her oppinion on sex (Sex with anyone else besides MC means nothing) so there was not a real need to use drugs except as a nice excuse for her behaviour (Ignoring the stablished rules) from which she got a emotional charge at the cost of someone else mental and emotional health.

What do you mean no real need ? It only makes sense if she didn't care about her husband, but because she cares its hard for her to go through with it, and thats why she needed the drugs. And again if she wanted to get an emotional charge she could`ve achieved that with anyone. Damian was an accident.

What I think happened. People from work decided to meet at the bar. Lacey changed clothes, and took K for courage. Went to the bar where Bastian approached her, and while she was high she thought why not ? Took an easier way. And I`d imagine the whole situation was making her uncomfortable, so when quick and easy option presented itself she took it without thinking.

Yes she is a dumb hypocrite and major fuck up, but for the love of god I dont see what you people are seeing. Author`s intent seem clear to me, an y`all just nitpicking on Author`s execution, honestly.

I am not unreasonable and if we will have some new evidence later I will reconsider. But for now I am going to stick to my guns, respectfully.

 

[DeviantFun]

What I think happened. People from work decided to meet at the bar. Lacey changed clothes, and took K for courage. Went to the bar where Bastian approached her, and while she was high she thought why not ? Took an easier way. And I`d imagine the whole situation was making her uncomfortable, so when quick and easy option presented itself she took it without thinking.

This is exactly how it is presented in the material, the contentious point with both Mav and Dios is that they do not believe Lacey.

Yes she is a dumb hypocrite and major fuck up, but for the love of god I dont see what you people are seeing. Author`s intent seem clear to me, an y`all just nitpicking on Author`s execution, honestly.

Exactly, I mean, things are happening for narration sake, like 100%.

The author tells you the intention and then has some issues in the execution, whether due to excessive scrutiny (I am surely culprit of it) or simply not putting too much thought into it.

Do I have to remind everyone that during the KW he has Lacey laugh out loud when her distinctive trait is that she does NOT laugh in front of everyone besides MC? Not even her "best friend" ever heard her laugh.

A ground breaking event, written as an afterthought?

Also, Anna at a rave and trating it like "hey I am a girl, obviously I went to raves"? yeah, sure, doesn't clash completely with the character he built since the intro.
These are 5 minutes fixes, have Lacey smile at best, why should she is unclear, since this is obviously painful for MC and seeing how she deprived him of simple experiences is one of the things that hurts her, is a mystery, but if that is the message you are trying to give, give it consistently.

The guy is great at bringing out emotions (even if he overdoes it with MC imo) but god damn he is inconsistent sometimes.
And I get it, he probably goes with his internal flow, but he definitely need some "beta testing" (I volunteer for free btw) or some more time dedicated to writing to avoid some shortcomings.

So yeah, the whole thing, Darkweb, K amounts and effects etc are all used to push a specific story point, you either take it at face value or you'll be in a forever loop.

Maybe the author will read these comments and find a more consistent explanation, but for now I am with Dragon, this is what is represented in the material.

 

[DeviantFun]

I really don't know what to think of this game. I came here with On Distant Shores in my heart and mind. And now I find this stuff. I started supporting the author with ODS and, honestly, now I'm wondering whether to continue. The first half is trivialised. It leaves too many gaps. Yes, I understand that the author wanted to explain more later in the story, but it's not good to gloss over certain key moments. The first half was really disappointing. From a certain point onwards, however, the author and his depth return. If we want to give it an average rating, we can say it's adequate. Where it falls dramatically short is in the graphics. I understand that the doctor wanted to focus mainly on the text (so why is the first half so poor?), but with graphics like that, it's terrible. There are no renders with facial expressions, fear, anguish, guilt, surprise, etc. With graphics like this, the game seems more like a draft, a storyboard. I don't know what the doctor's real goal was when he started this story. Maybe he just wanted to see if people would like it and invest time and resources in it. In that case: Yes, doctor, you can start this project and make it great. But if you leave it like this, compared to ODS, it's a real piece of shit.

Strange, I consider this superior to ODS (which crashes hard towards the end) and OTMT (which I really couldn't get into).

I made several points about the holes in Act 1, but what are exactly your concerns about it? What are the gaps?

Also considering act 2 superior is kinda weird since the common consensus is that it feels rushed and most of the characters change their personality considerably without any apparent reason aside from pushing the story forward is a specific direction.
What depth did you find compared to Act 1?

The graphics are obviously not the strong point of L&J, the infamous three nostrils, the many renders where Lacey is unrecognizable, or simply the fact that everyone aside from 2 characters look like they are in elementary school are obvious shortcomings, but I don't mind, graphics are obviously not the focus.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

Lacey is an experienced drug user, so its reasonable to assume she knows where to look on the dark web. Besides where I live everyone buy drugs through the web. You pay and after they send you information where the stash is hidden in your area. Completely contactless.

Then you must live in the future and im an old man, because here its cash mostly, and only a few use drop off points. Digital transactions make it easy to track you and you leave a papertrail to send yourself to jail. As for the dark web, this places are hard to track and appear and disapear easily and a lot of the time from police intervention, its not like you can google some dark web digital drug store for the k with security.

Lacey being around two years since the last purchase makes it quite hard to believe that she could get it easily on the dark web, more so knowing that she dosent have real knowledge on computers to manage a real search on the dark web, and has not been in contact with other users that we know that could point her to a site. (The other confirmed uses was from old leftover stuff she had from college, only on Damian she supossedly buyed)

She stated that she acquired drugs in advance and why she thought she needed them. What is she wanted to obfuscate exactly ? The better way to avoid accountability is to hide your affair from you husband altogether, you know. I mean we all know the chain of event that led to that, we know her motivation, what went wrong.

Again, if she just wanted to fuck Bastian and avoid consequences she could`ve just do it, and kept it secret. But we know that was not the goal.

Im gonna give you an exclusive. Lacey lies, like a lot. From what she says is the motive that she needed the drug to the actual reason, theres worlds appart.

And again, Lacey is an emotional vampire, she wanted to be seen doing the cheating by the MC, she wanted to inflict the maximum dark emotions on him and feed on them, she wanted to make him jealouse angry and mad, she gets pleasure from that even if later she regrets doing so. The drugs were an excuse, a way to shift and reduce the blame on her, aka, MC being angry at her. Sure, if she had followed the rules MC would still be jealouse and she would have some feeding, but nothing compared to the buffet that it was showing him how she breaks the rules, picking a known dude, kissing, allowing trash talking, cumming inside.

What she didnt had in acount is how freaking bad would be MC reaction to witnessing that, she misscalculated his breakdown and downplayed the damage she would cause by breaking the rules.

What do you mean no real need ? It only makes sense if she didn't care about her husband, but because she cares its hard for her to go through with it, and thats why she needed the drugs.

Think of the Jealousy Date for example (where she also breaks the knowing the dude, kissing and the cumming inside rule if allowed), the MC is right with her, she is fucking someone else. Does she needs the drugs? No. Why? Because the whole thing was MC "idea" from the beggining, he was voluntarely feeding her, and since he is the one directing the only one to blame is him, no need for an excuse or to avoid responsability, so no drugs required.

I am not unreasonable and if we will have some new evidence later I will reconsider. But for now I am going to stick to my guns, respectfully.

And thats how it ended last time i discussed this exact thing with DeviantFun, no side has enough evidence because everything is quite glossed over in the game.

 

[DeviantFun]

And thats how it ended last time i discussed this exact thing with DeviantFun, no side has enough evidence because everything is quite glossed over in the game.

I mean it is not that there is no indication in the material, it is just that you don't trust WHO brings you that evidence

I loved the ending of ODS. For me, it couldn't have ended better than that. However, the big problem is the graphics. The gaps I referred to could have been filled with renders that deepened the character's emotions. With these graphics, however, I find that words are too few to explain the emotions that a character is feeling at that moment.

I see, well, I am more concerned about the story plots holes than the graphics, like there are several points that keep the conversation and speculation going in the thread because events are touch and go and do not get a definite resolution. (drugs that appear from nowhere and disappear suddenly, inconsistent drug effects, inconsistent memory issues, inconsistent brain damage, convenient and inconsistent behaviour from characters)

You don't notice these things in the first playthrough because you are being thrown from one event to the other, without time to settle with the information.
Well, that is if you are not sick like me and an object being turned or moved in a movie scene to the next ruins the whole experience for you.

As far as I know there are only 2 renders that show emotion that do not appear in act 1 and I am actually unsure about one of them: Angry MC (where he actually looks like an adult) and sideway crying MC (this one I am unsure).

I mean, it is more like reading a book with pictures, you don't need the pictures to show everything that happens, it is not a comic book.

Anyway, I see your point, thanks for taking the time to answer.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

I mean it is not that there is no indication in the material, it is just that you don't trust WHO brings you that evidence

I mean, Lacey of act 1, who would trust her? In any case, yes theres material in your favor, but also material that its revealed later that contradicts it. At this point theres no way to say for sure who is right.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

For me, that's precisely the point. It's not a comic strip... so you have to use more words to make it clear what's happening. Or you rely on the images. Some of it will be conveyed by words and some by images. I don't like this hybrid solution at all. Not after ODS.

Well, you can have your own opinion and thats fine, some of us actually like to read. And as for the art, it has a particular style but i find it acceptable. In general i find it overall quite good of a game.

 

[Maviarab]

Im gonna give you an exclusive. Lacey lies, like a lot.

At this point theres no way to say for sure who is right

Just gonna leave that there

 

[duckydoodoo]

I dont think its very weird Mia didnt recognize Lacey was on K but Christine did. All of Laceys antics are normal to Mia. Mia goes out of her way to prove Lacey doesnt care about MC, that she likes doing what she did in college even without the K. Basically all slutty versions of Lacey are the same to Mia, she has no reason to analyze why Lacey is doing what she is doing. in fact the only thing surprising to Mia is not that Lacey is cheating but doing it from of him knowingly. its only on realization that she is on K where Mia seems to take any real consideration into Laceys motive. before that its almost like she was glad Lacey was proving her right for all to see, like it was vindication for her actions.

as for Christine recognizing Lacey was on K in the video, it makes sense, as her entire reason for being around MC is to protect him from Lacey. From the minute she winds up in MC's orbit she has been watching, studying and analyzing Lacey's behavior. and in the process falls in love with MC. out of everyone watching the video link, it would be weird for her not to spot Laceys bizaree behavior first. the only question would be whether or not she points it out for everyone right then or later, depending on which choice would more effectively get MC away from Lacey for good.

thats how i saw it at least

 

[SayoraSaint]

You know, I was tormented by the question from the very beginning. How did Lacey manage to convince herself and most importantly her 'friends' that having sex with another man and showing it to her husband is good or can it help somehow?
The excuses that Lacey gives are honestly so absurd that they wouldn't convince even a three-year-old.
They sound something like "-you know, I saw that your child was sad and gave him a dose of drugs to cheer him up. I didn't know that you don't allow him to take drugs."

Why, knowing about her intentions, they didn't stop her from this irreparable act. Knowing that she was sick (out of her mind) or just stupid, they didn't explain to her that what she was planning was rly bad. Why didn't they warn the MC that she wanted to do something that would cause irreparable damage and ruin the lives of their friends.

And it doesn't matter at all whether she did it under the influence of K., alcohol, with a friend or a stranger - she did it of her own free will, knowing exactly that she was cheating on her husband.
It doesn't even matter here whether she was thinking about herself or about him, whether she was enjoying herself or not, what's important is that she purposefully destroyed the spiritual connection and trust that unites loving partners in marriage.

From any possible point of view, this act is not a manifestation of love, but of indifference and complete disrespect for the partner and his feelings.
I can say that Lacey's love and feelings for the MC are false and deception, possibly self-deception, which, however, does not change the essence.

She lies in everything, even in feelings.

It may sound stupid, but that's exactly how I see it.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

Why, knowing about her intentions, they didn't stop her from this irreparable act.

Mia didnt care that Lacey was about to shoot herself in the foot with that crazy plan, she even felt that it was good for her objective, the only thing she wanted was to make sure she was not to blame for Lacey doing that. She gave an objective rational opinion (that it was a bad idea) and then let her do her thing since the result was gona be in favor of what she wanted. (the whole crash and burn of her marriage)

Anna on the other side is really contradictory, for once, her love for MC should have made try a lot harder to stop Lacey, even if it was just to protect MC. In oposite to this, Lacey just about to blow her marriage was in favor of her interest, so she could be the one to pick a bereaved MC, and make him fall in love with her. In the end we dont get a real motivation to why she allowed it or why she didnt warn the MC, and ends just being a poor excuse that she didnt want to cause a confrontation with a friend, because apparently friendship really means letting your friend destroy her marriage and hurt the man you love.