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This is one of the situations where you need to activate your porn logic emergency button.
The Mia documentary is...lets say a plot device, pretty crude tbh but it does the job.



Absolutely even if we accept the fact that Mia was helping her to try the things that Lacey "missed out on", gangbangs are usually not in the "let's help this traumatized girl" handbook.
Plus Lacey describes most of the sex as abusive and hard on her.

Mia is literaly a monster, that used Lacey as a toy for 2 years, but hey she's 'funny' right? Lets keep her around.
She admits that Lacey came back desperate and crying every time and Lacey admits that she wanted to please Mia, her only friend, so she went through with her suggestions.

Even when Mia says she understood Lacey was a broken shell of a girl she still pimps her out to Isaac.
Because that is what it was, pimping a naive brain damaged trauma filled girl.

The author dropped the ball on this, or at least on the Mia redemption arc, but it seems he has a big issue with making his female characters face consequences.

If you want I can bash Mia for hours, just let me know.



Look, at the cost of repeating myself for the 1 millionth time, Lacey fucks up and is VERY self centered and selfish in her actions.
She does the thing that at the moment brings her the most satisfaction, no matter the consequences.
Honestly, her brain damage is written in a bit of cartoonish way, but it is not completely unbelievalbe, granted how a person like this can actually keep a job is very weird.
She never misses a day or a deadline even if from what we are told she shouldn't be able to deal with the pressure or the commitment.
Why is she obedient and non confrontational to the point of submission with everyone except MC?



I just went through one of the last discussions that MC has with Mia.
Mia keeps on pointing out that the problem is that Lacey had pleasurable sex with other men during college.

BZZZZT WRONG.

The actual problem MC had was being abandoned, come on we are not at elementary school where to have a relationship you need to write on a piece of paper "want to be my gf yes or no?" .
You can have relationships without telling each other that you are bf and gf.

In fact, Lacey disagrees with you, I don't know at what part of the game you are, so I won't spoil, but she definitelly disagree with your statement.

The big elephant in the room is the fact that Lacey selfishly abandoned MC to go and 'find herself' without a word or an explanation that would allow MC to get closure and move on.
He got ghosted for four years, from a girl he knew (rightfully so, as we discover later) needed him like fish need water, a girl he dedicated his life to protect and nurture.

He stayed faithful to the relationship they had because without closure it never ended.
Was he harming himself in doing so? sure!
Should he have moved on and forget about her? yep, that would have been for the best.

Some things tho, really stay with you, I still think of the kids I helped when I was volunteering in the balkans after the war and that was for a few months, I cannot imagine how it would be for someone spending every waking hour for 13 years.



I mean the first few lines in the game already give it away don't they? ;)



Yes you are right, she says so herself, but she is also a bit of a drama queen, she enjoys all the strong emotions that she can suck off MC.
It coud actually be a nice dynamic if the author doesn't force his hand.



Yes the last scene was an abysmal blunder.
The jealousy date is written as an emotional growth for MC and it couldn't be more deadpan.
MC does this for Lacey but magically starts to enjoy it because we need to keep a cuck path open I guess.

This supposedly shows us that sex is just sex for Lacey (she actually complains to Mc that she doesn't want to be shared with other men) but then she is super into it to the point that she brings a webcam to have her private show.
This should also show that MC is the one that will be in control but then control is taken away from him.

Honestly the only 'reasonable' outcome is the kiss and stop, especially because they agree that Lacey is disusting for doing the deed with Morty.

I will try and remove your fears about the NTR, the whole lot of NTR here is always tied to misunderstandings.
The biggest mistake (Damian) is also a new addition, there were some scrapped paths where it wouldn't happen.

Lacey in her own fucked up way wil do what MC will make her do and doesn't want to leave MC at any cost, her life is on the line.
In one of the paths MC plans to manipulate Lacey and her brain damage, referring to Jared and Evan as amateurs.
I like both the punish and slut/bimbo path, but the best one for content and actual emotional growth is the slut/bimbo.
Again not knowing where you are in the game I won't spoil why.
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(Still going through your script edits btw, not forgotten you heh).
 
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So I did finish this "ACT" but I still think that she was getting turned on by MC getting jealous. I think that was the point of the whole thing.

This is a "game" that i will follow because it has me emotionally attached.

Again - how the HE** was Mia there to take all of those pictures - Not a fan of Mia - DEV will have to do a lot of work for me to get on her good side.
 

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So I did finish this "ACT" but I still think that she was getting turned on by MC getting jealous. I think that was the point of the whole thing.

This is a "game" that i will follow because it has me emotionally attached.
Well, yes, that is the whole point, it gives the author a platform for the sharing, because Lacey TRULY doesn't want to be shared as it is mentally taxing for her.
Lets not forget she has to take K for Damian, she couldn't go through with it.

Plus she feeds on all strong emotions, but jealousy is like her favourite dish mixed with her favourite dessert.

Tbh I think I have an un healthy obsession with this game, so I get what you mean.

Again - how the HE** was Mia there to take all of those pictures - Not a fan of Mia - DEV will have to do a lot of work for me to get on her good side.
Why? She says she is the worst friend and human being ever....ONCE.
Isn't that a great redemption arc for abusing a traumatized girl for two years?

You have to be an actual bad person to forgive Mia.

The problem is that for the Dev everything is forgiven already, the discussion never takes place, Mia never apologizes to Lacey.
She never apologizes or take responsability of her actions and in the rare situations when it is brought up she says some weak stuff OR deflects towards the guys doing the fucking.

Cleaning the cum off Lacey does not absolve her, she was just keeping her sex toy clean, so she could be abused the day after.
 
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OK, so after another night thinking way too much about this jealousy date, I was stupid enough to see what happened if you chose the other path and let her keep going. I was upset and, oh I do play as MC, that is the final straw. I am done with her (if I actually let her get to that point) I would have left the bar went home got a few things, left a note stating "you cheated on me again - DO NOT CONTACT ME EVER". I think I would want to tell Mia off in a big way.

I do believe that I would contact Kelly or Bethany (i think that was her name) Anna is a sweetheart but too close to Lacey if this scenario happened.
 
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OK, so after another night thinking way too much about this jealousy date, I was stupid enough to see what happened if you chose the other path and let her keep going. I was upset and, oh I do play as MC, that is the final straw. I am done with her (if I actually let her get to that point) I would have left the bar went home got a few things, left a note stating "you cheated on me again - DO NOT CONTACT ME EVER". I think I would want to tell Mia off in a big way.

I do believe that I would contact Kelly or Bethany (i think that was her name) Anna is a sweetheart but too close to Lacey if this scenario happened.
So, after her telling you she'd do anything you told her, even if she didn't really want to or if it kind of hurt her feelings, you'd be mad at her for doing exactly what you told her?...:unsure:
Kind of harsh, but hey, you do you...:ROFLMAO:
 

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Alright, going to have to say, while Deviant's script edits certainly improve the story and how things come across, there is too much that can't be changed and after now playing it through 3 more time again, I'm going to have to say that I actually don't like the story/VN. Everyone just sucks for a multitude of different reasons (and as a self-inserter I utterly despise the mc) and there is zero agency (currently) to do anything or avoid anyone.

However, like a train wreck you can't turn away from, I am too invested in it heh and will once again hope, that there will actually be serious forward progression in this story otherwise, it's just going to be even more of a wreck we can't stop or get off from.
 

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So, after her telling you she'd do anything you told her, even if she didn't really want to or if it kind of hurt her feelings, you'd be mad at her for doing exactly what you told her?...:unsure:
Kind of harsh, but hey, you do you...:ROFLMAO:
You are absollutely right of course, I have a theory why some players feels like that: MC has very low agency.
The author spends hours defining how an act like that would be an abomination for MC, it literally gives him PTSD at some point, but then he changes his mind in 5 minutes because "normal couples do that".

That has to create a strong dissonance, I know it does for me, this is why I stop the date asap. (I also dislike cucks so I might be biased).

A message to everyone: Of all the shit Lacey does that you could get on her case about, and if you played you know there are many, you chose the only one where she's totally innocent.

Free Lacey.


Alright, going to have to say, while Deviant's script edits certainly improve the story and how things come across, there is too much that can't be changed and after now playing it through 3 more time again, I'm going to have to say that I actually don't like the story/VN. Everyone just sucks for a multitude of different reasons (and as a self-inserter I utterly despise the mc) and there is zero agency (currently) to do anything or avoid anyone.

However, like a train wreck you can't turn away from, I am too invested in it heh and will once again hope, that there will actually be serious forward progression in this story otherwise, it's just going to be even more of a wreck we can't stop or get off from.
Hahaha that is a bleak view of things.

I have to agree with you tho, the more I read it the more the american college influence becomes oppressing.
From the way sometimes people talk to each other, like it is a damn discount therapy session to how the author treats the women in the game.
For example how Isaac's Mom, the only thing she is angry about is how he talked about Lacey.
No woman ever face any consequences, Veronica throws MC and Llacey under the bus to protect her career but everything is fine.
This applies to Mia and Catherine too.

That said, I still think the story as whole has a lot of potential and is engaging, else I wouldn't be here spamming the forum about it.

I am going through the script again for draft 2 and I realy feel the same without rearranging heavily the only thing you achieve is a bit of a less spineless MC, but this cannot turn into action, the challenge was giving a different reason for the scripted action.
For this draft I will probably change more, I definitely want to add a discussion with Mia about what she did to Lacey, 2 text messages are not enough.

Shameless plug: If anyone is interested in playing the game with the rearranged script please let me know especialy if you want to give me some feedback, with the caveat that the script will only be for your personal use and not to be shared to respect the author.
 
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So, after her telling you she'd do anything you told her, even if she didn't really want to or if it kind of hurt her feelings, you'd be mad at her for doing exactly what you told her?...:unsure:
Kind of harsh, but hey, you do you...:ROFLMAO:

It was a test in my mind - I would have wanted the option to leave her after the Damion BS
 

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So, after her telling you she'd do anything you told her, even if she didn't really want to or if it kind of hurt her feelings, you'd be mad at her for doing exactly what you told her?...:unsure:
Kind of harsh, but hey, you do you...:ROFLMAO:
So, didn't read the story after I chose the "other" route, I really didn't want to, I just wanted to see how far it would go. That is NOT the route I chose in the actual story.
 
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I do feel sorry for Lacey - no one should be abused and broken the way she was. That being said - I despise what she has become. She disgusts me so much that it made me nauseous at a lot of points in the story. You do not cut off all contact to the one person you "can't live without", that tried to keep you safe and protected for 13 years, and grew to love you so much that he made you the center of his universe, to go "find yourself" (and become a drug addicted depraved cum dumpster). The ONLY reason she reached out to stop him from killing himself was her own selfishness ... all she does is make wrong choices at every step - ones that cut deep, cause the maximum amount of harm/damage to the person she claims to love ... she seems bent on putting the MC through the hell she chose to make out of her life. She is permanently broken in my mind. She is no longer the Lacey that the MC knew and fell in love with ... she has turned into a lying, cheating, selfish whore.

Mia is a truly disgusting piece of shit. Her rape and trauma ARE NO EXCUSE. It is sickening what she did to Lacey. A BFF that takes a shy, broken, and sexually abused girl - whoring her out, allowing men to sexually abuse and degrade her (I am not buying Mia's claim that Lacey said that was what she wanted), literally has her gang banged/raped over and over (it became rape when Lacey was high on K) and fucking documents it ... she then has the audacity to expose all of that to the MC in the most vile way. If I was the MC I probably would have commited murder. There is no redemption - no making up for being so fucking evil to another person.

I am interested to see how this ends up ... but I am thinking this is going to be one huge train wreck that no one survives.
 

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I do feel sorry for Lacey - no one should be abused and broken the way she was. That being said - I despise what she has become. She disgusts me so much that it made me nauseous at a lot of points in the story. You do not cut off all contact to the one person you "can't live without", that tried to keep you safe and protected for 13 years, and grew to love you so much that he made you the center of his universe, to go "find yourself" (and become a drug addicted depraved cum dumpster). The ONLY reason she reached out to stop him from killing himself was her own selfishness ... all she does is make wrong choices at every step - ones that cut deep, cause the maximum amount of harm/damage to the person she claims to love ... she seems bent on putting the MC through the hell she chose to make out of her life. She is permanently broken in my mind. She is no longer the Lacey that the MC knew and fell in love with ... she has turned into a lying, cheating, selfish whore.

Mia is a truly disgusting piece of shit. Her rape and trauma ARE NO EXCUSE. It is sickening what she did to Lacey. A BFF that takes a shy, broken, and sexually abused girl - whoring her out, allowing men to sexually abuse and degrade her (I am not buying Mia's claim that Lacey said that was what she wanted), literally has her gang banged/raped over and over (it became rape when Lacey was high on K) and fucking documents it ... she then has the audacity to expose all of that to the MC in the most vile way. If I was the MC I probably would have commited murder. There is no redemption - no making up for being so fucking evil to another person.

I am interested to see how this ends up ... but I am thinking this is going to be one huge train wreck that no one survives.
Hehehe....welcome....alllll aboooooaaaarrrrrrd :ROFLMAO: :eek:
 
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I do feel sorry for Lacey - no one should be abused and broken the way she was. That being said - I despise what she has become. She disgusts me so much that it made me nauseous at a lot of points in the story. You do not cut off all contact to the one person you "can't live without", that tried to keep you safe and protected for 13 years, and grew to love you so much that he made you the center of his universe, to go "find yourself" (and become a drug addicted depraved cum dumpster). The ONLY reason she reached out to stop him from killing himself was her own selfishness ... all she does is make wrong choices at every step - ones that cut deep, cause the maximum amount of harm/damage to the person she claims to love ... she seems bent on putting the MC through the hell she chose to make out of her life. She is permanently broken in my mind. She is no longer the Lacey that the MC knew and fell in love with ... she has turned into a lying, cheating, selfish whore.

Mia is a truly disgusting piece of shit. Her rape and trauma ARE NO EXCUSE. It is sickening what she did to Lacey. A BFF that takes a shy, broken, and sexually abused girl - whoring her out, allowing men to sexually abuse and degrade her (I am not buying Mia's claim that Lacey said that was what she wanted), literally has her gang banged/raped over and over (it became rape when Lacey was high on K) and fucking documents it ... she then has the audacity to expose all of that to the MC in the most vile way. If I was the MC I probably would have commited murder. There is no redemption - no making up for being so fucking evil to another person.

I am interested to see how this ends up ... but I am thinking this is going to be one huge train wreck that no one survives.
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My man got the whole situation correct.

You found the author weak point, the impossibility of holding anyone who is not male accountable.

At least at the end we finally get a confession from Lacey that she knew what she was doing, she knew she hurt MC in the most vile way possible.

Is there a comeback from that? I don't know because the MC actually thanks her after the jealousy date, a date specifically designed so Lacey can get her rocks off.
He specifically says: "thank you for everything".
Which translated from cuckbitch speak means:
  • Thank you for abandoning me for years after I did everything possible to help you
  • Thank you for becoming the campus public toilet
  • Thank you for cheating on me emotionally and phisically multiple times
  • Thank you for never respecting me or my wishes
  • Thank you for putting a fake work promotion above your merriage and your husband
  • Thank you for inviting the persron who humiliated me publically into my home
  • Thank you for trying to use my jealousy to hurt me
  • Thank you for involving Jared in our lives
The message the author wants to convey is one of forgiveness, he forgets a big part of it, the redempion.
She even has the gall to say that if it was only about her past MC should have a time limit about for how long he could be angry and punishing her (he never punishes her aside from roleplaying) which is absolutely mental and selfish.
She is essentially saying that what she did was bad but come on now you should get over it you know, doesn't matter if I gave you literal PTSD and shot your self esteem.
Lacey does absolutely nothing to redeem herself and at most weaponizes sex against MC, and all his circle of friends are ready to support her and her abuse.
A ful circle of friends that act as enablers.

I said this once some time ago, everyone loves MC, but no one CARES about him.
Not even Anna, who puts Lacey first in several occasions:
  • Tennis dates (a good friend with all the info about Lacey would immediately spring to action)
  • Isaac recording
  • Not talking to MC about Lacey funny 'lessons'
  • She is forgiving and actually apologizes to Lacey several times

Mia is the worst human being, Lacey never says that the "Mia treatment" is what she wanted but she does say that she went along with it to please her.
Again MC is ready to love her and forgive her for all her sins, actually let me correct myself he treats her like these sins never existed in the first place.
Nobody talks about it, aside Christine and Anna ONCE.
Anna gladly accept Mia excuses and the world goes on, no accountability, no redemption.
And if it wasn't clear enough, I agree with you, Mia shoud have paid dearly, at least by being ostracized by everyone.
Instead she is "ride or die" with Lacey, yeah ride cocks and die of ketamine overdose.
And it is pretty clear that Mia did all that to actually remove MC from Lacey's life, it is what she wanted to do even after they got married.

You forgot a VERY big one: Veronica! Everyone favourite pair of boobs.
She directly deceives MC and Lacey to protect her job no deception needed by Jared, unlike with the others.
Doesn't matter is Jared ruined multiple famiies, doesn't matter he is actually ruining the marriage of people direcly in front of her, that she says she cares about.
Her job and position was more important, not even when Lacey is about to commit suicide to avoid getting raped by Jared, she had to get threatened to actually try to help, and even then she does so reluctantly.
Result? Al is forgiven, don't worry.
Man your wife was about to get raped or worse commit suicide...but all is good right? Nothing a couple of naked pics and dirty talk can't erase.

MC is shonen manga level of cartoonish.

Enough of my rant, Lacey does have a way to try and be accountable and try some redemption and at one point of the game she does say some stuff that really shows she understands.
Everything gets erased 2 minutes later literally with the jelousy date.
Oh and obviously making MC "feel like a King" shoud come at a cost, the jealousy date, Lacey needs to trade for it.
Doesn't matter how much MC already gave.

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My man got the whole situation correct.

You found the author weak point, the impossibility of holding anyone who is not male accountable.

At least at the end we finally get a confession from Lacey that she knew what she was doing, she knew she hurt MC in the most vile way possible.

Is there a comeback from that? I don't know because the MC actually thanks her after the jealousy date, a date specifically designed so Lacey can get her rocks off.
He specifically says: "thank you for everything".
Which translated from cuckbitch speak means:
  • Thank you for abandoning me for years after I did everything possible to help you
  • Thank you for becoming the campus public toilet
  • Thank you for cheating on me emotionally and phisically multiple times
  • Thank you for never respecting me or my wishes
  • Thank you for putting a fake work promotion above your merriage and your husband
  • Thank you for inviting the persron who humiliated me publically into my home
  • Thank you for trying to use my jealousy to hurt me
  • Thank you for involving Jared in our lives
The message the author wants to convey is one of forgiveness, he forgets a big part of it, the redempion.
She even has the gall to say that if it was only about her past MC should have a time limit about for how long he could be angry and punishing her (he never punishes her aside from roleplaying) which is absolutely mental and selfish.
She is essentially saying that what she did was bad but come on now you should get over it you know, doesn't matter if I gave you literal PTSD and shot your self esteem.
Lacey does absolutely nothing to redeem herself and at most weaponizes sex against MC, and all his circle of friends are ready to support her and her abuse.
A ful circle of friends that act as enablers.

I said this once some time ago, everyone loves MC, but no one CARES about him.
Not even Anna, who puts Lacey first in several occasions:
  • Tennis dates (a good friend with all the info about Lacey would immediately spring to action)
  • Isaac recording
  • Not talking to MC about Lacey funny 'lessons'
  • She is forgiving and actually apologizes to Lacey several times

Mia is the worst human being, Lacey never says that the "Mia treatment" is what she wanted but she does say that she went along with it to please her.
Again MC is ready to love her and forgive her for all her sins, actually let me correct myself he treats her like these sins never existed in the first place.
Nobody talks about it, aside Christine and Anna ONCE.
Anna gladly accept Mia excuses and the world goes on, no accountability, no redemption.
And if it wasn't clear enough, I agree with you, Mia shoud have paid dearly, at least by being ostracized by everyone.
Instead she is "ride or die" with Lacey, yeah ride cocks and die of ketamine overdose.
And it is pretty clear that Mia did all that to actually remove MC from Lacey's life, it is what she wanted to do even after they got married.

You forgot a VERY big one: Veronica! Everyone favourite pair of boobs.
She directly deceives MC and Lacey to protect her job no deception needed by Jared, unlike with the others.
Doesn't matter is Jared ruined multiple famiies, doesn't matter he is actually ruining the marriabe of people direcly in front of her, that she says she cares about.
Her job and position was more important, not even when Lacey is about to commit suicide to avoid getting raped by Jared, she had to get threatened to actually try to help, and even then she does so reluctantly.
Result? Al is forgiven, don't worry.
Man your wife was about to get raped or worse commit suicide...but all is good right? Nothing a couple of naked pics and dirty talk can't erase.

MC is shonen manga level of cartoonish.

Enough of my rant, Lacey does have a way to try and be accountable and try some redemption and at one point of the game she does say some stuff that really shows she understands.
Everything gets erased 2 minutes later literally with the jelousy date.
Oh and obviously making MC "feel like a King" shoud come at a cost, the jealousy date, Lacey needs to trade for it.
Doesn't matter how much MC already gave.

/rant
Well, after such a review of Act 1, I don't know how Act 2 will go, but it will be difficult for all these beautiful people to live a beautiful, long and prosperous life...because only the end will be miserable.:oops:
 
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Well, after such a review of Act 1, I don't know how Act 2 will go, but it will be difficult for all these beautiful people to live a beautiful, long and prosperous life...because only the end will be miserable.:oops:
Look I might seem overly critical, especially against some of the "woke" stuff.

But I really think the author was this close to hit gold and the story is compelling.

The second act will be more about what the last discussion between Lacey and MC was about, hopefully we will see MC bloom, he will still be kinda cartoonish in some ways but we can excuse it if the story has a good upbeat.

MC will be able to explore, date and share.
Hopefully the sharing will no be horribly written and no "old college friend" will come into play, because I have a bad feeling about something but I won't talk about it cause I don't want to jinx it.

I have high hopes for act 2 for Llacey redemption and MC uncucking.
 

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I hope we will finally know what the bonus content is that Mia mentioned once Act 2 is released.
My guess it will be normal pictures of Lacey, maybe reading MC text or listening to his cuck song at her birthday.
To prove that in the moments where she didn't have all her holes stuffed by multiple people she didn't forget him...

Isn't that romantic?
 
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