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Nimbus Commando

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What I find funny is how the MC is never allowed to be angry it always gets shut down, and we are told to feel bad about being angry and to think of are trashy whore wife's feelings and always goes on and on about the male ego or some bull shit and Mia just gets away with everything she has done my trauma. And every just bends over backwards for Lacey oh not her fault just her brain the drugs oopsy poopsy. But let's be honest if you hate NTR this game just not for us, it is for cucks the story will end up the same as it always does a pathetic simp MC you will just keep forgiving Lacey and bend over backwards to make her happy all the way up until he finally just sits there in the cuck chair. Like the pathetic simp, he is right now because he needs to get rid of his male ego right.
 
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And he gets the job because of muh sexism racism. :FacePalm:What is this delusional woke bullshit? That's it. Done. The writing (especially vs most titles on here) was honestly good enough to pull through and bear with the heavy, heavy castrated-self-loathing-male-feminist indoctrination up to this point. But the narrative-enforced worldview here just overwhelms any talent with cringe. This is so far from the truth of our lifetimes. Polar opposite of truth for anyone who really knows what's gone on in corporate HR departments for the last several decades. Well, on the plus side for the dev, it's perfect for Netflix if they ever pick up depressing non-porn porn games. :HideThePain:
 
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Couldn't agree more, this is why I refer to the group of friends as enablers.
Mia never faces any consequences, after the messages I would have expected the Mc to feel at least a modicum of coldness towards her, if not outright hate.
But yes the main problem is how unnatural the MC reactions are, for someone in a precarious state of mind he is always in control of his emotions aside from a couple of outbursts which in the end result to nothing.
This takes most of the immersion away.

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Yes these are some of the biggest faults of the writing in this game, it feels like a wet dream of some indoctrinated american college student. It never feels "real".
The characters behave unnaturally, always speaking with "woke" lingo and dehumanizing MC, reducing him to his gender.
For a game about feelings and trauma, spewing out gross generalizations about "male ego" and "all STRAIGHT men are predators" (kitchen dialogue with Lacey) seems very out of place and immature.
MC gets castrated so much that I wouldn't call him a MC anymore, witness is more appropriate, he is painted with no drive and even when he shows some, it is soon castrated again (most of the time self castration)

Now that I think of it, even the choices are a bit "weak", so you have:

- a punishment/BDSM (mild) choice, where the unexperienced MC already talks about how to manage their sessions like he is a pro
- a slutification choice where we discover that Lacey is so attached to her previous life (mind you, we get told that she is not that person anymore and that she wants to distanciate herself from her past) that she kept her outfits and proudly shows them off, we discover that they also have funny names (but didn't Lacey have memory problems? Or maybe she does and remembers only cock shapes, slut dresses and sex acts? Wasn't her acting like that a punishment for herself? why was she having so much fun with it?)
- a "no fun" choice where you tell her you are disgusted by her for a while, but then you are forced to put a wine bottle in her ass, I mean...seriously? Does the Mc have actually any agency or integrity here?

All the choices in the end show how Lacey weaponizes sex against MC.


But the narrative-enforced worldview here just overwhelms any talent with cringe. This is so far from the truth of our lifetimes. Polar opposite of truth for anyone who really knows what's gone on in corporate HR departments for the last several decades. Well, on the plus side for the dev, it's perfect for Netflix if they ever pick up depressing non-porn porn games. :HideThePain:
I have a pretty good career in a huge multinational company, so the promotion was one of the things that felt extremely unreal, aside from the MC reaction, which reduces Jeanette to her race and gender instead of painting her as a great friend and capable professional, the whole "white guy omg" is so far from the actual truth that you cannot help but chuckle.
And I am in europe, I cannot phatom how much worse it is in the US.

Imagine how great the writing and the game would have been if these issues were addressed properly, how much more vibrant the characters would be.
 
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I have a pretty good career in a huge multinational company, so the promotion was one of the things that felt extremely unreal, aside from the MC reaction, which reduces Jeanette to her race and gender instead of painting her as a great friend and capable professional, the whole "white guy omg" is so far from the actual truth that you cannot help but chuckle.
And I am in europe, I cannot phatom how much worse it is in the US.
Oh, it's very bad here. lol. Especially if you've seen the corporate hiring statistics of the last 5 years since the 2020 "summer of love". But there's been a pretty widespread and consistent bias against the boogeyman demographic in corporate hiring for a couple decades now. Even more noticeable to me as I've worked in severely blue industries in severely blue states for most of my life.

Shame about the ideological damage. I actually think this Dev is a talented writer vs the vast majority of amateurs producing games/vns here. But the ideological conditioning just keeps getting in the way to a disastrous extent.

Kind of reminds me of this clip from a (lol) 100% real TV show. Straight-faced unintentional parody of itself. :ROFLMAO:
 

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Oh, it's very bad here. lol. Especially if you've seen the corporate hiring statistics of the last 5 years since the 2020 "summer of love". But there's been a pretty widespread and consistent bias against the boogeyman demographic in corporate hiring for a couple decades now. Even more noticeable to me as I've worked in severely blue industries in severely blue states for most of my life.

Shame about the ideological damage. I actually think this Dev is a talented writer vs the vast majority of amateurs producing games/vns here. But the ideological conditioning just keeps getting in the way to a disastrous extent.

Kind of reminds me of this clip from a (lol) 100% real TV show. Straight-faced unintentional parody of itself. :ROFLMAO:
Wait wait wait wait, is THAT a real scene from a TV show? :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

As I said the most tragic thing that the "indoctrination" did was reducing people from their individuality to categories.
Demonizing categories is easy and convenient, since it removes the challenge of learning and understanding each individuality or having an individuality yourself.

This is why you have a lot of people confusing their sexuality, trauma or whichever category they want to fit in, with their personality.

As you said this is sadly painted with a very heavy hand in this VN and it is a shame.
 
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Any game like this?
By "like this", I mean:
Very deep and tense relationships, plot twists, excellent writing, absence of clichés, etc
 
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Any game like this?
By "like this", I mean:
Very deep and tense relationships, plot twists, excellent writing, absence of clichés, etc
Not really? This one is rather unique in the NTR genre.

An MC with a big dick, who can easily satisfy any woman in bed, and the wife's best friends who are actually on his side instead of against him and actually go against the wife for constantly messing up their relationship. Plus, this one does a great job of building up the relationships/characters first before the NTR kicks in, so it gives you that nice gut punch when it happens.

Most NTR games are small dicked MCs who can't satisfy a woman and lose their wife to someone with a big dick. And/or have best friends that help corrupt them. Typical NTR tropes.

As far as I know, there isn't another out there like this one.
 

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Most NTR games are small dicked MCs who can't satisfy a woman and lose their wife to someone with a big dick. And/or have best friends that help corrupt them. Typical NTR tropes.
Agreed
The cliche of "being stolen because the bull has a bigger dick" has low credibility. In the US, you're more likely to be NTR'd by a Mexican than a BBC
It also greatly damages the characters of the MC and FMC. It turns the MC into a weak, idiotic loser, and the FMC into a horny, idiotic size queen
Ultimately, the game will only be appealing to those who don't care about the story, relationships, characters, etc., but only enjoy the porn aspect

The way NTR was implemented in this game was excellent because it didn't diminish the value of the FMC
I still love her, so I will fully enjoy the rest of this game and I will fully enjoy future NTS scenes because I like the FMC and want to experience this with her
And I will definitely enjoy the vanilla and harem scenes. This is because the MC didn't show weakness for a single moment in Act 1
The MC's only problem is the exaggerated jealousy that he himself realized at the end of Act 1 was excessive. He apologized to the FMC several times at the end of Act 1. The MC's Japanese friend (I forget his name) is also not blameless in this matter
Understanding the FMC is difficult. The behavior of her Japanese friend and the MC made it even harder to understand for player, portraying her as the villain of the story. But that's not really the case. I know that some people still consider the FMC to be unworthy, weak, and evil, but I can honestly say that not a single one of her decisions was based on malice or evil. From the moment she left the MC for college until the end of Act 1, none of her decisions were sinful. Every decision was based on a justifiable reason
Why did she decide to do drugs?
Why did she decide to be a slut?
Why didn't she tell the MC?
Why didn't she leave college and return to the MC?
Why didn't she tell the MC when she returned?
Why did she constantly lie?


None of the FMC's decisions were unjustifiable! I know my statement seems very strange, but the most complete characters in this game are the FMC and the MC. But understanding these things requires thought and reading all 33,000 dialogues. If I were to mention just one:
Why does she constantly lie to the MC? When I was in the military, my mother would constantly call, and when she asked how I was doing, even though I wasn't enjoying it at all and the conditions were very difficult, I would still say it was great and I was enjoying it a lot. Does this lie make me a better person or an evil liar? She lies to the MC not because what she did was unjustifiable, but because the MC's extremely high jealousy prevents him from thinking properly and logically because he is not ready yet

Overall, discussing this game is very difficult. I'm sure there are many misunderstandings. Topics like: What is the only way to save the MC from the past? The only way for the MC not to be sad when thinking about the past? The only way to end that pain and jealousy? The only person who knows the answer to this question is the FMC! The only one who is strongly trying to cure the MC's mental illness/damage is the FMC, but her own mind is also troubled and she makes mistakes along the way, but it's not intentional, her mind has issues
Sorry, my English isn't very good
Overall, this game is excellent. I hope people don't misjudge the MC and especially the FMC. These two are great and deserve the best possible life, which is what we will see in Act 2 and beyond
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Buddy, please tell us about the probable-range date of the next update so we can start counting down the seconds and build up emotional and non-emotional tension that way
 

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I saw a YouTube video recently (sorry should have bookmarked it) where there is the guy and his girlfriend stopped by an interviewer in the street. I'm sure you have seen these sort of videos. And the interviewer asks her what it is the most men you have gotten with in one night. She thinks for a moment and then says 10. The boyfriend is incredulous. I'm fairly sure it wasn't staged because no-one is that good an actor. She says it was before they met so doesn't count. He is like, WTF. She repeatedly says it doesn't matter because it was before him, but he says it does and is so disgusted he dumps her on the spot.

It made me think of this VN. I wonder what would be the reaction of most men?
 

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I saw a YouTube video recently (sorry should have bookmarked it) where there is the guy and his girlfriend stopped by an interviewer in the street. I'm sure you have seen these sort of videos. And the interviewer asks her what it is the most men you have gotten with in one night. She thinks for a moment and then says 10. The boyfriend is incredulous. I'm fairly sure it wasn't staged because no-one is that good an actor. She says it was before they met so doesn't count. He is like, WTF. She repeatedly says it doesn't matter because it was before him, but he says it does and is so disgusted he dumps her on the spot.

It made me think of this VN. I wonder what would be the reaction of most men?
i dont care what she did before. i mean i had my share of girls too before, so why should i care? everyone that complains about something like that has a trust-/egoproblem.
 
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oh man what a ride, didn't expect so much from a little 800mo game. I would definetely give it a 5 star rating if i wasn't so lazy. But damn, I really hope you continue your work on this game dev, that was truly awesome
Don't be lazy, buddy, and write a review. It doesn't need to be long, two to three lines are enough.
By increasing the rating of this game, it will be more exposed, and the fanbase will grow, which will help the developer continue their work.
 

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Agreed
The cliche of "being stolen because the bull has a bigger dick" has low credibility. In the US, you're more likely to be NTR'd by a Mexican than a BBC
It also greatly damages the characters of the MC and FMC. It turns the MC into a weak, idiotic loser, and the FMC into a horny, idiotic size queen
Ultimately, the game will only be appealing to those who don't care about the story, relationships, characters, etc., but only enjoy the porn aspect

The way NTR was implemented in this game was excellent because it didn't diminish the value of the FMC
I still love her, so I will fully enjoy the rest of this game and I will fully enjoy future NTS scenes because I like the FMC and want to experience this with her
And I will definitely enjoy the vanilla and harem scenes. This is because the MC didn't show weakness for a single moment in Act 1
The MC's only problem is the exaggerated jealousy that he himself realized at the end of Act 1 was excessive. He apologized to the FMC several times at the end of Act 1. The MC's Japanese friend (I forget his name) is also not blameless in this matter
Understanding the FMC is difficult. The behavior of her Japanese friend and the MC made it even harder to understand for player, portraying her as the villain of the story. But that's not really the case. I know that some people still consider the FMC to be unworthy, weak, and evil, but I can honestly say that not a single one of her decisions was based on malice or evil. From the moment she left the MC for college until the end of Act 1, none of her decisions were sinful. Every decision was based on a justifiable reason
Why did she decide to do drugs?
Why did she decide to be a slut?
Why didn't she tell the MC?
Why didn't she leave college and return to the MC?
Why didn't she tell the MC when she returned?
Why did she constantly lie?


None of the FMC's decisions were unjustifiable! I know my statement seems very strange, but the most complete characters in this game are the FMC and the MC. But understanding these things requires thought and reading all 33,000 dialogues. If I were to mention just one:
Why does she constantly lie to the MC? When I was in the military, my mother would constantly call, and when she asked how I was doing, even though I wasn't enjoying it at all and the conditions were very difficult, I would still say it was great and I was enjoying it a lot. Does this lie make me a better person or an evil liar? She lies to the MC not because what she did was unjustifiable, but because the MC's extremely high jealousy prevents him from thinking properly and logically because he is not ready yet

Overall, discussing this game is very difficult. I'm sure there are many misunderstandings. Topics like: What is the only way to save the MC from the past? The only way for the MC not to be sad when thinking about the past? The only way to end that pain and jealousy? The only person who knows the answer to this question is the FMC! The only one who is strongly trying to cure the MC's mental illness/damage is the FMC, but her own mind is also troubled and she makes mistakes along the way, but it's not intentional, her mind has issues
Sorry, my English isn't very good
Overall, this game is excellent. I hope people don't misjudge the MC and especially the FMC. These two are great and deserve the best possible life, which is what we will see in Act 2 and beyond
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Buddy, please tell us about the probable-range date of the next update so we can start counting down the seconds and build up emotional and non-emotional tension that way
Are you high, the MC is a fucking idiot simp and the Lacey is just some dumb ass whore.
 

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This game doesn't seem to be about the sort of stealing you mean here, what is stolen is genuine trust and intimacy that MC and FMC will not be able to enjoy for the forseeable future, unless we get some sort of forced deus ex machina.

I cannot agree that the MC is neither weak or idiotic, sadly he is both, for background and story reasons, I wrote several posts already on how some of his weaknesses make absolute sense considering his abandonment trauma, many others do not.
He looks idiotic when he cannot ask a simple question and keeps everything in the air, he looks weak when he cannot wrestle his emotions in a meaningful way, caving in and erasing any sort of emotional growth.

FMC is sort of a size queen here and there and is idiotic in probably 90% of the events, if you read the story carefully as you said, most of Lacey's actions are an absolute tragedy, from letting herself get groped, using the household budget to buy slutty dresses, hiding the landlord, the whole Damian situation and in the end Isaac.
These are only a few examples.

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I'm sorry but how can you say that NTR didn't diminish the value of FMC? She admits it herself in the writing.
Starting from an easy one: Damian during the trip, she has shown that she cannot be trusted, she walked all over MC wishes and cheated on him mercifully.
Aside from the whole rule breaking that starts from the first one FMC herself put down, the whole thing was a shit show that almost got MC killed.
I don't know how a person that lies constantly, uses MC jealousy weakpoint to hurt him on purpose (Will) and constantly humiliates her husband without a second thought (Damian and Isaac) doesn't lose any value.
I would llike to remind, that while MC is at the cliffs about to end it all, she is joking around with Mia about Isaac dick size.
Almost none of the decisions made by Lacey seems to be justifiable, I mean as far as I can understand from your post you are a fan of NTS/NTR, but don't let it cloud you from applying some logic: is is justifiable to lie to get married? is it justifiable to lie to your SO for weeks to attend parties with strippers? Is it justifiable to force MC in a NTS situation just after he has been hurt and FMC promises to build his trust anew and then break every single ground rule?
And sorry ketamine use or brain damage do not make it justifiable, especially if you know what ketamine does.

You are right about one thing, Lacey is not evil per se, she is just an addict in search of short term gratification and stumbles around without thinking about future repercussions, which are nonexistant anyway in the story, I mean this woman fucked a minor and half of the world moves to shield her from consequences.

Why did she decide to do drugs?
Why did she decide to be a slut?
Why didn't she tell the MC?
Why didn't she leave college and return to the MC?
Why didn't she tell the MC when she returned?
Why did she constantly lie?
All the answers to your questions are half answered in the game:
- she decided to do drugs as a stopgap for her depression.
- FMC wanted to try and reduce the effect of her trauma on her sex life and Mia wanted to have fun so she pushed her to be an unhinged slut
- She knew she was cheating and that MC would be hurt, she says so herself in a bathroom scene talking about Stephen with a "ph"
- The very weak reason we get is that magicalllly after she gets pounded for 3 weeks by Isaac she has a moment of clarity, just before Anna's call
- She knew she was worthless now, she gave away "like it was water" what MC considers precious and is important to him since he was a child
- We are told she is non confrontational, so she lies to avoid the consequences of her actions


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I don't want to sound like a broken record but none of the decisions were justifiable, lliterally none.
Actually let me correct myself, the Lorenzo decision might be justifiable.
Your experience with the military is very different, since you didn't abandon your mother, lie to her knowing very well that it would hurt her (college lie) and then came back and lie again (marriage) after you gave away whatever your mother considered precious and irreplaceable.

MC jealousy is a byproduct of the lies and the absolute lack of trust, in fact we don't hear much about it before the landlord.
Lacey is not a partner you can trust and jealousy stems from it, if she was reliable and trustworthy MC jealousy would have been in control / nonexistant.
MC thinks in a very logical way and he is always in control of his emotions, unrealistically so, even when he was about to commit suicide, he keeps himself in check to extreme extents to the point of being irrationally harsh on himself, we see scenes just after he is cheated on where he chastises himself for a very minor quip at FMC, which would have been warranted.

The only moment where his jealousy is applied incorrectly is when he is jealous about Anna and Mia dancing, Anna then admits she did it on purpose to "punish" him.

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The only way to cure MC from the past is mentioned by FMC multiple times: stop, give him back control over his life, make amends, build trust with him and give him time to heal, this would have been a mature and serious way to deal with the situation.
Instead, after we are told and shown that FMC accepts that she cannot make good decisions, we get a formidable plan: to fuck more men and try to dilute the value that MC stocks in intimacy, franklly, this is disgusting behaviour.

Her mind having issues is not a justification, I will repeat myself here: trauma can be a reason but not a justification.
We are not even sure how much of this damage is real since we get a lot of mixed messages about it, especially with her memory (she remembers more than Mia which was sober, especially sex acts, dresses and dick sizes).

As I said before I am very invested in the game and I am looking forward to Act 2 but reading your post I got worried about your views on healty relationships and behaviours!
 
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