VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[DeviantFun]

What I read in act 1 ending, was a giant gaslighting monologue by her, full of logical leaps and dumb analogies, leading to her roping him into the whole "jealousy" thing. And him agreeing like the simp he is, as usual. It is her fetish not his. Actually it's the exact opposite of a fetish for him since the thought of her with other makes him physically ill and she even mentions it. And despite her knowing it, she still did everything she could to rope him into it as usual. Knowing full well he won't say no.

And then, even if you aren't interested in any nts and choose to leave, she is still cucking him in front of his eyes yet again, making out with another dude because misunderstanding. And for some reason it goes under the rug never to be mentioned again, like exploring a dude's tonsils in front of your husband is something minor.

This game does this weird thing, where it has a bunch of events worthy of ending the relationship at present, but her past when they were not even a couple overshadows everything, to the point they are completely ignored. Shouldn't shit that actually happens in the marriage be a priority?

You are right, for most of Act 1 Lacey does exactly that, what you are still wrong about is that it is her fetish and you couldn't be more far from the truth.
I guess you didn't run all the paths and all the choices, the hints are there.

What you don't seem to get, maybe due to your personal views on life, is how damaging the past is.
I hinted at it before, I will try to be extremely clear now: MC was abandoned after he gave every single fiber of his being to this woman and she went and betrayed him in the worst ways possible for a man with HIS values.
I personally wouldn't have taken Lacey back, maybe as a side piece, as my woman? not a chance.

Lets say your girlfriend falls into a coma, you spend 13 years caring for her, spending all your money, time and resources on her.
Your familly doesn't see you anymore, your friends neither, you are only absorbed in saving her life.
The doctors assure you that she is aware of everything you do.

One day she wokes up, remember, fully aware of what you have done, that her life would be done for without you, she tells you are going to have a future together and then disappears the next day.
You try to call, you try to reach her, no response for 4 years.

Wouldn't you feel bad about it? Desperate? Feeling that even giving all of yourself was not enough to be loved?

Then she comes back after 4 years and tells you that she wants to be with you now.
Yet you discovered she spent the life you gave her to have fun, while you were still recovering financially and emotionally, sleeping under a bridge.

is it more clear this way? Do you get why it is so important? The connection these two people had? How intertwined their lives were? How narcissistic and abusive Lacey was since childhood?

It is a matter of self worth, of sacrifice and of lies.
I won't go deeper on the abusive parts because now I want to see if you will see it in the rest of the game

Obviously all the stuff happening at present time are crazy, but those get confronted a lot, they are compounded to the total bill.
Both Damian and Isaac are talked about extensively (not enough in my opinion with a couple of easy cop outs but they are still discussed).

 

[AL.d]

You are right, for most of Act 1 Lacey does exactly that, what you are still wrong about is that it is her fetish and you couldn't be more far from the truth.
I guess you didn't run all the paths and all the choices, the hints are there.

What you don't seem to get, maybe due to your personal views on life, is how damaging the past is.
I hinted at it before, I will try to be extremely clear now: MC was abandoned after he gave every single fiber of his being to this woman and she went and betrayed him in the worst ways possible for a man with HIS values.
I personally wouldn't have taken Lacey back, maybe as a side piece, as my woman? not a chance.

Lets say your girlfriend falls into a coma, you spend 13 years caring for her, spending all your money, time and resources on her.
Your familly doesn't see you anymore, your friends neither, you are only absorbed in saving her life.
The doctors assure you that she is aware of everything you do.

One day she wokes up, remember, fully aware of what you have done, that her life would be done for without you, she tells you are going to have a future together and then disappears the next day.
You try to call, you try to reach her, no response for 4 years.

Wouldn't you feel bad about it? Desperate? Feeling that even giving all of yourself was not enough to be loved?

Then she comes back after 4 years and tells you that she wants to be with you now.
Yet you discovered she spent the life you gave her to have fun, while you were still recovering financially and emotionally, sleeping under a bridge.

is it more clear this way? Do you get why it is so important? The connection these two people had? How intertwined their lives were? How narcissistic and abusive Lacey was since childhood?

It is a matter of self worth, of sacrifice and of lies.
I won't go deeper on the abusive parts because now I want to see if you will see it in the rest of the game

Obviously all the stuff happening at present time are crazy, but those get confronted a lot, they are compounded to the total bill.
Both Damian and Isaac are talked about extensively (not enough in my opinion with a couple of easy cop outs but they are still discussed).

She literally says making him jealous is her fetish, it's not an assumption. Now if you mean it's not just her fetish and MC is a closet cuck, I was under the assumption we get choices about that. There is plenty of evidence that she is gradually brainwashing him into one through his dependency, so even if he is that, it's still an outcome she caused.

I remember her mentioning her grand plan to make him OK with the recorded cuckolding when she was alone with the other two. And the whole jealousy monologue on the bed, was masterful manipulation with the same purpose. It's pretty blatant.

 

[DeviantFun]

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MC has that superpower about compassion and friendship, he could always stand Isaac face to face when in a confrontation.
He did the same with Christine, remember? I think the technical term is "True Compassion" or something of the sort.

He is in full on avoidance, which is pretty bad for PTSD patients, usually for all metal health patients.
I understand how from the outside we could see a "stronger" version of him, yet he still justifies Lacey, he still thinks he is the bad guy for having feelings, he still apologizes while being abused.

You went through the Dianne dialogues, his reaction is not normal, he is unwell since act 1, even people that don't know him think he needs therapy.

Honestly I don't think therapy is beneficial for everyone, especially modern therapy, but this guy needs it.

I am not assuming anything about Lacey, but I am not speculating randomly either, it was an off remark guessing that she could have touched some topics.
The Lacey not going to therapy is a hot take.

 

[DeviantFun]

She literally says making him jealous is her fetish, it's not an assumption. Now if you mean it's not just her fetish and MC is a closet cuck, I was under the assumption we get choices about that. There is plenty of evidence that she is gradually brainwashing him into one through his dependency, so even if he is that, it's still an outcome she caused.

I remember her mentioning her grand plan to make him OK with the recorded cuckolding when she was alone with the other two. And the whole jealousy monologue on the bed, was masterful manipulation with the same purpose. It's pretty blatant.

Sorry this is me having too many conversations open at once, yes that is her fetish, I would call it even more than a fetish.
It is the favourite food of our friendly neighborhood emotional vampire.

Now what you are saying makes sense to me, yes she is, between willingly and unwillingly but she is, keep going with the story this is explored in a couple of scenes.

I agree with you on this and so does the story.

She knows which buttons to press and he is too damaged to do anything about it.

There was a couple of hints about him being excited, I found them revolting and out of place, MAYBE they will resurface in the no fun path.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

MC has that superpower about compassion and friendship, he could always stand Isaac face to face when in a confrontation.
He did the same with Christine, remember? I think the technical term is "True Compassion" or something of the sort.

He is in full on avoidance, which is pretty bad for PTSD patients, usually for all metal health patients.
I understand how from the outside we could see a "stronger" version of him, yet he still justifies Lacey, he still thinks he is the bad guy for having feelings, he still apologizes while being abused.

You went through the Dianne dialogues, his reaction is not normal, he is unwell since act 1, even people that don't know him think he needs therapy.

Honestly I don't think therapy is beneficial for everyone, especially modern therapy, but this guy needs it.

I am not assuming anything about Lacey, but I am not speculating randomly either, it was an off remark guessing that she could have touched some topics.
The Lacey not going to therapy is a hot take.

No no, i agree, he is in full avoidance self gaslighting, and he is nowhere well. The conversation with Dianne shows, and the memory loss. And yes he needs therapy, whatever form of it. He could talk to a profesional, be feeding ducks in the park or whatever it helps. He needs to learn to take care of himself, know his value, build confidence and speak his feelings, stand his ground, among a lot of other things. He improved the bare minimum to not go into full panic attack everytime. Now its only most of the times.

He was damaged from the beggining, and Lacey destroyed him. He is at some points just going apathic, and she cant allow that.

As for Lacey therapy thing. Well. I just love guessing games, what ifs, and good discussions with arguments without insults. Some of your arguments and analysis of the game, and some of other users is what made me speak in this forum for the first time.

 

[CrysusPariah2]

I’ve been meaning to ask:
how many people hear actually support the Prof on Patreon?
I was going over the subscriber numbers and they seemed shockingly low for the quality and popularity of the content released.

There isn’t even any nonsense like staggered/delayed releases and the like between tiers

Then again, I am not sure how financially motivated the Prof is, just dreading a day it comes to an end due to lack of funding

 

[Maviarab]

We don't know that, we KNOW the opposite. Lacey SAID that is what happened. She lied. She is now lying to the other girls. We literally have video of it. Barty DID fuck Lacey, and by both of their statements it was a regularly occurring thing. You seem to have this weird thing in your posts where you take what Lacey says at face value, despite a huge repeat point being she LIES.

The video isn't a fake, and Lacey even hinted at it happening earlier. When she explained her whole BS ketamine thing early on during the five box conversation, she mentioned she had a "relapse recently". MC didn't pick up on it, and it never got explored. Turns out Barty was her relapse. In the Barty video she even describes her whole plan to get MC to be cuck. That MC is actively in the middle of.

My GUESS is that "Monster", the person who sent the video, is Mia. I think Mia really, really gets off on all of this, and has since college. She missed getting to be a voyeur, live vicariously through Lacey. So she is trying to start it up again. She probably sent Barty and Jared the videos SHE took from college, and told them about the ketamine. She then got THEIR videos. She gets off on it... kind of the same way several of us here do XD.

Only other possibility is Anna, but that feels flimsier. Her crush on MC, her telling Lacey MC hated her and never wanted to see her again in college... I could see Anna doing all of this to break up the two so she could be with MC.

Yopu really didn't comprehend much did you? She remembers being asked questions...but 'nothing else'. K does not make you forget. She finally admits (if you werre paying attention) she remembers everything at college earlier in the story.

Did you just tab through the entire Christine scene?

 

[Elduriel]

Yopu really didn't comprehend much did you? She remembers being asked questions...but 'nothing else'. K does not make you forget. She finally admits (if you werre paying attention) she remembers everything at college earlier in the story.

Did you just tab through the entire Christine scene?

interesting to see people arriving at conclusions when they only read parts of the story

 

[duckydoodoo]

so, when MC had some ptsd shit goin on and they were explaining to veronica, does he pretend to forget what happened or does he actually not remember. seemed to me like everyone knows he gets dissociative during his ptsd, which also means he can actually be the monster.

i know people will want to find loopholes for the monster being an alpha version of MC trying to protect the main MC from himself but it easy to track.

MC apparently is an IT genius, who also knows Lacey Anna and Mia well enough to hack all of the phones and accounts.

MC is also capable of hacking his own phone. which explains the Monsters phone number being an actual phone hack not an untraceable number. and that is assuming that MC and monster arent actually communicating in his head and MC is imagining Monster texting him. either way works and is possible with existing character development.

The drugs in Mia's purse were mentioned after MC saw them, so Monster would have known at same time not before hand. as for the warnings about Mia being up to something, when is she not? and also MC already thought multiple people were acting weird and something was going on. add the fact that if he hacked his friends and lacey as the monster, even if they dont say specifically what they are doing he would know they are planning something and all their plans especially Mia's do nothing but hurt him, as well as his relationship with Lacey. So theres no reaching here.

the biggest flaw in Monster actually being MC during his dissociative states is how he knew about the video before MC saw it. well MC had a ptsd trigger recently, so the stretch would be Monster saw it and MC only noticed when he noticed. that or Monster has been digging into everyone and hacked into the cameras within his home so saw the original video being made, and understood it was eventually going to be edited and sent to MC.

basically Monster is a fully fucntional non emotional version of MC that only appears during his ptsd dissociative moments and exists purely to protect MC. in fact this persona could easily have existed since his childhood. i mean a child that learns and understands how to raise and protect Lacey the way MC did, would likely have experienced trauma. the empathy alone for a child neglected in such a way could cripple normal adults emotionally. it would make sense that there is a version of him that is calculative and decisive enough to figure out how to surive and keep Lacey alive, and most importantly it would require setting aside all emotions and distractions. for all we know, the year Lacey was gone, she was with MC and he just doesnt know it. After all, everyone seems to constantly be talking about things MC does and has done that he doesnt even know about/remember/realize whatever.

i mean, the way this story has been going from the start is that MC is the sickest person out of everyone. MC is always trying to help others, no matter who they are or what they do. But no one else in the story is trying to help anyone else. all their focus is on fixing MC. like in those stories where and mc has memory loss but no one will them.

anyways kinda lost track what i was getting at. not saying Monster is the MC, but easily could be. there isnt anything Monster has said or done that MC couldnt have easily done with his skilled set during a dissociative state. one where he lacks emotion and focuses solely on making sure he survives as his normal self.

 

[DeviantFun]

Yopu really didn't comprehend much did you? She remembers being asked questions...but 'nothing else'. K does not make you forget. She finally admits (if you werre paying attention) she remembers everything at college earlier in the story.

Did you just tab through the entire Christine scene?

interesting to see people arriving at conclusions when they only read parts of the story

Thank you for taking the burden of that answer, it was so out there I tried to respond but felt like I was being trolled.

 

[ChinLou]

Yopu really didn't comprehend much did you? She remembers being asked questions...but 'nothing else'. K does not make you forget. She finally admits (if you werre paying attention) she remembers everything at college earlier in the story.

Did you just tab through the entire Christine scene?

To add to that, the very last scene where you are viewing it through a camera while the two mysterious people are talking, they admit to hiring some blond that one works with to do a deep fake. The goal was to get MC to leave her.

 

[anongamer1983]

One thing I will say is that the author specifically states that the MC is an unreliable narrator, and his version of events aren't to be taken as true. I have a few ideas that I am thinking could explain the 1460 days. Lacey's 'other side' could be related. I need to finish reading through act 2 of the game and probably play it all again to make sure inner thoughts and the like don't conflict though lol, but here are some basics of those ideas

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[SoiCowboy]

Wow! I just stumbled across this and, OhMyGoodness, is this dark or what? I actually had to put this down and go for something lighter as I tried to heal myself from the traumatic "little bitch" video. I mean, what in the actual fuck!

As I sit here totally fucked up, let me say the writing is A+. So far, Lacey is WAY more of a cunt than Anne is/was in TACOS.

 

[kedewess]

Wow! I just stumbled across this and, OhMyGoodness, is this dark or what? I actually had to put this down and go for something lighter as I tried to heal myself from the traumatic "little bitch" video. I mean, what in the actual fuck!

As I sit here totally fucked up, let me say the writing is A+. So far, Lacey is WAY more of a cunt than Anne is/was in TACOS.

Well, maybe you should see what's just after that...

 

[duane71]

So I just discovered this one the other day. I've been going through it slowly, and I'm still not done.

But holy shit, they'd never, ever, ever find Barty's remains.

 

[xxseedlexx]

Played through the rest and while I don't agree with how most of the subject matter is handled I will say this game has great writing I actually got very invested even though I hate some of the characters (mostly Lacey she's the exact scenario that would scare me the most in real life and Mia the enabler/corrupter)

I love that some of the girls are in his corner but I don't think they all have to feel romantically obligated to him (like I get it's to show that even though he doesn't think so, he is desirable to many women and could replace Lacey in a heart beat but every single one of them falling in love with him seems silly) Also now I'm wondering who the "monster" is, I think obviously it would all point to Kelly but do you think it'd be too meta to say it's actually Lacey?

 

[Piropapero]

I like the quality of the images, but it's too disturbing and deranged that all the characters have childlike faces.
Anyone who saw you playing this game wouldn’t hesitate to call the police.

 

[rogersmith]

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>Ok l will spoil, but I think you are making a mistake by not playing this game.

No, thanks. As I said:

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[CrazyIvan83]

- truth about how her ketamine habit was funded, either mia straight up pimping lacey out in college, or selling/uploading the recordings online, which would explain how Jared and Barty saw them

YEAH!!! Like to see that!!!

 

[DeviantFun]

so, when MC had some ptsd shit goin on and they were explaining to veronica, does he pretend to forget what happened or does he actually not remember.

He does forget it seems, we have no indication he does remember anything, not a great part for me, starts the act on a sour note.
But it could validate the theory, a good hook placed at the beginning to show and don't tell.

I know people will want to find loopholes for the monster being an alpha version of MC trying to protect the main MC from himself but it easy to track.

MC apparently is an IT genius, who also knows Lacey Anna and Mia well enough to hack all of the phones and accounts.

MC is also capable of hacking his own phone. which explains the Monsters phone number being an actual phone hack not an untraceable number. and that is assuming that MC and monster arent actually communicating in his head and MC is imagining Monster texting him. either way works and is possible with existing character development.

The drugs in Mia's purse were mentioned after MC saw them, so Monster would have known at same time not before hand. as for the warnings about Mia being up to something, when is she not? and also MC already thought multiple people were acting weird and something was going on. add the fact that if he hacked his friends and lacey as the monster, even if they dont say specifically what they are doing he would know they are planning something and all their plans especially Mia's do nothing but hurt him, as well as his relationship with Lacey. So theres no reaching here.

the biggest flaw in Monster actually being MC during his dissociative states is how he knew about the video before MC saw it. well MC had a ptsd trigger recently, so the stretch would be Monster saw it and MC only noticed when he noticed. that or Monster has been digging into everyone and hacked into the cameras within his home so saw the original video being made, and understood it was eventually going to be edited and sent to MC.

basically Monster is a fully fucntional non emotional version of MC that only appears during his ptsd dissociative moments and exists purely to protect MC. in fact this persona could easily have existed since his childhood. i mean a child that learns and understands how to raise and protect Lacey the way MC did, would likely have experienced trauma. the empathy alone for a child neglected in such a way could cripple normal adults emotionally. it would make sense that there is a version of him that is calculative and decisive enough to figure out how to surive and keep Lacey alive, and most importantly it would require setting aside all emotions and distractions. for all we know, the year Lacey was gone, she was with MC and he just doesnt know it. After all, everyone seems to constantly be talking about things MC does and has done that he doesnt even know about/remember/realize whatever.

i mean, the way this story has been going from the start is that MC is the sickest person out of everyone. MC is always trying to help others, no matter who they are or what they do. But no one else in the story is trying to help anyone else. all their focus is on fixing MC. like in those stories where and mc has memory loss but no one will them.

anyways kinda lost track what i was getting at. not saying Monster is the MC, but easily could be. there isnt anything Monster has said or done that MC couldnt have easily done with his skilled set during a dissociative state. one where he lacks emotion and focuses solely on making sure he survives as his normal self.

You know? I had the exact same hope/theory, trying to avoid the over the top CIA hacking stuff.
But the monster is like quite ahead of him, if we can think that with the stuff with Mia he could subconsciously know, the message about the video is hard to mix in.
But maybe your explanation has some merits.

IT is not a single discipline, while datacenter managers will have some security training, cybersecurity is another whole branch.
I am an IT manager of sorts, I cannot ask my developers to deal with infrastructure topics or my DBAs to go and develop a new UI for our products the knowledge just isn't there (it can be, but it usually isn't).

You're right, he is sort of a genius when it comes to IT, so he could have learned.

I also don't think the monster was around earlier than now, he would have acted against Jared, probably against Damian and definitely against Mia.
He also doesn't seem to know the name of the peoplehe is talking about, such as christine, I don't know.
TM says that he doesn't know when MC will receive the video...

So I don't know, I am going through the texts to try and find a hook to validate the theory.

I would love that to be true, I really do, it was the first thing that popped in my mind when I saw the messages.
Because at the moment the monster feels like another deus ex machina, another outseide variable, at least if this theory is true it would make things interesting.

God now I hope this is the case.

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>Ok l will spoil, but I think you are making a mistake by not playing this game.

No, thanks. As I said:

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I see you understood less than half of what I wrote, you assumed Lacey was talking to MC, while she was talking to Mia, you assumed Jared was being cucked by MC fucking Lacey, you know if you actually spent time reading you should know Jared is engaged, we know this from his first appearance, you are completely missing the point of MC and Lacey relationship depth.

It is fine, I always up for long discussions but I feel like I am unable to export these simple concepts that are defined in the game while you are creating a headcanon with less than half of the information available.

I am sorry you decided to stop playing, that's it, not every game is for everyone.

I have to give it to you, the WHY is a good question and it is pivotal.

No no, i agree, he is in full avoidance self gaslighting, and he is nowhere well. The conversation with Dianne shows, and the memory loss. And yes he needs therapy, whatever form of it. He could talk to a profesional, be feeding ducks in the park or whatever it helps. He needs to learn to take care of himself, know his value, build confidence and speak his feelings, stand his ground, among a lot of other things. He improved the bare minimum to not go into full panic attack everytime. Now its only most of the times.

He was damaged from the beggining, and Lacey destroyed him. He is at some points just going apathic, and she cant allow that.

As for Lacey therapy thing. Well. I just love guessing games, what ifs, and good discussions with arguments without insults. Some of your arguments and analysis of the game, and some of other users is what made me speak in this forum for the first time.

We are in full agreement! But with a wife like Lacey and the group of friends that he has, I feel MC will not have a smooth sailing ahead.
You are also perceptive by recognizing that MC was damaged from the beginning we discover that Lacey being narcissistic in nature actually abused MC compassion to turn him into a emotional slave.

For Lacey's therapy I hope you didn't take my comment as an insult.
Feel free to throw your guesses and speculations my way.