VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[AL.d]

Not really sure she felt safer with strangers, at first she didn't even see other guys, it started with drinking, but didn't help, then she went on with drugs, that seemed to help, along that path she met Mia, who herself had a twisted evil mind due her past, and Mia want experience what sex was like by using Lacey to do all those things, without she had to do it, Lacey still at lapses where she wanted to commit suicide even during what Mia did. So I doubt she felt safer. But yes in the last lesson from Mia to the mc there was a peroid where Lacey felt enjoying sex with those strangers, so geuss there was a small peroid she felt better. But Mia must have hated it and brought Isaac in it and worked again on Lacey's self destruction. So for that I dislike Mia alot and can't understand they could still be friends, from outsider i could still forgive Mia and understand she's not entirely a bad girl, but what she done is wrong on all levels and should seek herself therapist guidance to see her doing was wrong.

"Safer" is kinda the wrong framing. She was feeling more comfortable doing all that with them, than ever doing it with MC. Which is still twisted and as hurtful as it gets.

Lacey was broken long before college and Mia. From all we know about her from her college adventures and some of the shit she is doing afterwards, she has associated attention/validation with a very toxic cocktail. That cocktail being sex + shame + self loathing = validation. All those are consistent with vulnerable narcissism, a disorder heavily associated with childhood trauma, which she exhibits many traits from. And the reason for that association is not hard to guess. Children need validation from their parents. Considering what was happening to her as a child, it's very easy to see how that association formed.

What Mia managed to do, was redirect that association from her childhood experiences, to random college jocks. Who were now giving her the toxic cocktail she needed.

MC was doomed from the start, Lacey would have never done anything with him if college had never happened. He could not provide what she had been conditioned to look for.

 

[Maviarab]

You don't understand what I mean, the way Mia did it was wrong that is for sure, I also don't expected the mc forcefully touch her, that would been wrong too, what I mean is show her a different way of touching, in a gentle way, and not right away lead to sex, more like show her that subtle touches can be good, the sex part could have come later when she more relaxed with touches. But like said it was best she left hometown to be away from her father and mc would have been good too to gone with her.

And once again,. are we even playing the same VN. I'm thinking there is a lot you are missing and not understanding. Are you possibly not a native English speaker?

Why do you think the MC's rules exist in the first place? It is explained btw in the story. They exist because he did/said something..she reacted badly, thus he creates a new rule to avoid it in the future.

I really do wonder how you manage to miss so much and not understand so much, especially shit explained within the stoy.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

Why do you think the MC's rules exist in the forst place? It is explained btw in the story. They exist because he did/said something..she reacted badly, thus he creates a new rule to avoid it in the future.

Not he, her family. The rules are for helping her get out of the bad place that her family put her on.

He stopped her from selfharm, sometimes he feed her. All is because her family. The rules are his methodology to help.

The only remotely hurtfull thing is him wanting to kiss her on graduation, she backs away and he respects that

 

[Fitharia]

And once again,. are we even playing the same VN. I'm thinking there is a lot you are missing and not understanding. Are you possibly not a native English speaker?

Why do you think the MC's rules exist in the first place? It is explained btw in the story. They exist because he did/said something..she reacted badly, thus he creates a new rule to avoid it in the future.

I really do wonder how you manage to miss so much and not understand so much, especially shit explained within the stoy.

I understand we don't see eye to eye and have different opinions, but after this topic, I already established Lacey did need more help from professionals then mc ever could, i know the mc tried his best with those rules, but it didn't do him good either in the end. And i'm not talking rubish as their is such therapy to learn people get confortable with touching again, it just done by professionals and not by some kid who still finding his way to whom he is.

 

[Maviarab]

Not he, her family. The rules are for helping her get out of the bad place that her family put her on.

He stopped her from selfharm, sometimes he feed her. All is because her family. The rules are his methodology to help.

The only remotely hurtfull thing is him wanting to kiss her on graduation, she backs away and he respects that

Again, it is explained, he does something (like try to comfort) she reacts...he creates a rule. Again, explained in the story.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

Again, it is explained, he does something (like try to comfort) she reacts...he creates a rule. Again, explained in the story.

Yes, but its not like he creates the harm. its already there. He creates/discovers the way to treat/avoid it. Hes not doing anything bad.

For example how is he gonna know that saying the word Mango its gonna trigger her? its impossible until said. He dosent act on "bad" actions, only bad outcomes.

 

[CrysusPariah2]

I am not saying she felt safer, k and disassociation were involved.

I wa referring to the fact that to MC it cannot look any other way.
It is extremely difficult to understand the effect of drugs if you never tried them.

I know the story by hearth.

I also would argue that the pimp behaviour is not related to her trauma at all.
We don't see anything related to her trauma in her willingness to break and mold people to her liking and we definitely don't see it when she cheers for Lacey when she is SA.
Do we think that a rape victim would cheer for that?

She is who she is because she is a twisted individual even without the bad stuff that happened to her.
A failed character who, like Lacey in act 1, is unable to show remorse aside from a couple of lines of dialogues and then cancelling any goodwill by acting like a selfish and self centered person who doesn't care about who is harmed as long as she can have what she wants.




Yeah as I said, when the messages and doubts start, the anniversary is still "coming up".
I would place it around the tennis dates discovery or maximum at the fake job.

So i just went through it again

When MC’s promotion comes up, he says to Jeanette, that he hasn’t even been at the company for year, but we know that he has been at the company for longer than he has been married to Lacey (making their marriage around 6 months)

But when the Vegas trip comes up in Act 2 he says their anniversary came and went when things were really bad for them and they ended up doing nothing (which i would place at the marketing parties. yes lacey has caused far worse and but in every other situation they would at least talk, rant and see each other in the evening, where you would expect to have an anniversary celebration) A point in favor for the 3 weeks, is that except for a few glipses, MC’s memory i a bit of a blur at that time

 

[Maviarab]

Yes, but its not like he creates the harm. its already there. He creates/discovers the way to treat/avoid it. Hes not doing anything bad.

For example how is he gonna know that saying the word Mango its gonna trigger her? its impossible until said. He dosent act on "bad" actions, only bad outcomes.

Which is exactly what I said. You're agreeing with me now lol. She was whining the MC didn't try to teach her 'good touches'....he did...it didn't go well, thus he created rules over when to/not to do stuff like how to talk, what to mention, whether he could comfort her with words or touch all depending on how she appeared/talked.

That is why the rules exist! Because he has learnt what 'he' can do to help her.

but we know that he hasn’t even been at the company for longer than he has been married to Lacey (making their marriage around 6 months)

Is that correct? He was working there before Lacey ever came back into his life no?

 

[CrysusPariah2]

Which is exactly what I said. You're agreeing with me now lol. She was whining the MC didn't try to teach her 'good touches'....he did...it didn't go well, thus he created rules over when to/not to do stuff like how to talk, what to mention, whether he could comfort her with words or touch all depending on how she appeared/talked.

That is why the rules exist! Because he has learnt what 'he' can do to help her.


Is that correct? He was working there before Lacey ever came back into his life no?

Sorry, mistyped, edited original post and corrected

MC started work before even meeting Lacey again

 

[marozac78]

Ok.... NTR stories, both love and hate them.... HOLY SHIT.... this... wow. not sure what everyone else thinks but personally i love the story. not all the way through just yet, but damn..... I'm hooked. the story is pretty deep and engaging, lots of mental health issues freaking everywhere.

 

[Canto Forte]

Lacey has a network of lackeys in girls willing to prop her up for her toxic adventures. There can never be any use or chance in any type of therapy when she is this well sheltered by enablers all around her and her husband. There is thi inescapable circle of abuse everybody contributes to. She is wildly independent because sex gives her all the validation in the world. She is never challenged in being revered as a must have sex object: lifeless sex doll child faced whore.

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[Veytrix]

the game won't even start. can anyone help? thank you in advance

 

[Fmedic]

Ok.... NTR stories, both love and hate them.... HOLY SHIT.... this... wow. not sure what everyone else thinks but personally i love the story. not all the way through just yet, but damn..... I'm hooked. the story is pretty deep and engaging, lots of mental health issues freaking everywhere.

I actually hate any NTR stories, I have no idea how I was suckered into this, I think it was the description. Yes the story is very engaging, but also very depressing, frustrating and far fetched. Almost 100% of the guys polled on several sites stated that there is no way they would still be with Lacey in this story. Most said they would be gone after the first few "Lessons" from the pimp. Game over I guess, maybe, maybe not

 

[Fmedic]

the game won't even start. can anyone help? thank you in advance

That probably is a good thing, If you don't want chest pain, depression, anxiety etc. OR try to uninstall and reinstall. i haven't heard of any loading issues of the game.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

the game won't even start. can anyone help? thank you in advance

I remember something about deleting a couple of files in the game folder. "Presplash" or similar. Try that.

 

[boboqwe]

I thought today, most blame Lasley. But the main character should only attach importance to the betrayal that will take place after the wedding. The fact that she led a dissolute life before the wedding, the main character accepted and agreed to live with it. He knew what he was getting into. And no videos from the past should affect their relationship. This is not fair to Lasley. He should not even watch them. And if he watches them, then he is either sick or a latent masochist.
Further, when Lasley leaves for college, she is very young and what she says, quote
"She promised me that after graduation she would return to this city."
"And that she would love me the way I deserve."
All these are the words of that moment in time. The words of a very young girl who has not seen life. But you can't step into this river twice. Nothing stands still, everything changes and she changed too. She believed that the main character had forgotten her and was leading a similar lifestyle. The fact that the main character sat in a student dorm and jerked off in front of the computer is his problem. And only a phone call brought her back to him. And he's not fucking happy. His love came back to him and loves him more than life itself. Did she deceive him? What was she supposed to say, that yes, I had 300 guys in 3 years?
normal They don't talk about it, they don't ask about it. What was before you, remained there. Try telling your significant others how many of you had. It's just that her friend Mia turned out to be a bitch and everything went downhill. And the fact that she's wriggling out and lying about the past, she doesn't want to hurt the main character. Yes, she doesn't regret the past, it's her life, her past. And it helped her overcome some barriers. The main character says that you took away from me the one I loved. Yes, that's true, she changed and became different, it's called evolution. She would have become different even without 300 members. All people change. And the main character wants that naive little girl she was. Leisley needs to run away from the main character and far away. Find the strength to live and be happy without the main character, otherwise this sick asshole will drag her into the abyss.
This is about her past, here I do not touch on the possible betrayals of Leisley. I did not touch on Leisley's craving for self-destruction, here is where the main character should have helped her, if he were not such a weakling.

 

[AL.d]

I thought today, most blame Lasley. But the main character should only attach importance to the betrayal that will take place after the wedding. The fact that she led a dissolute life before the wedding, the main character accepted and agreed to live with it. He knew what he was getting into. And no videos from the past should affect their relationship. This is not fair to Lasley. He should not even watch them. And if he watches them, then he is either sick or a latent masochist.
Further, when Lasley leaves for college, she is very young and what she says, quote
"She promised me that after graduation she would return to this city."
"And that she would love me the way I deserve."
All these are the words of that moment in time. The words of a very young girl who has not seen life. But you can't step into this river twice. Nothing stands still, everything changes and she changed too. She believed that the main character had forgotten her and was leading a similar lifestyle. The fact that the main character sat in a student dorm and jerked off in front of the computer is his problem. And only a phone call brought her back to him. And he's not fucking happy. His love came back to him and loves him more than life itself. Did she deceive him? What was she supposed to say, that yes, I had 300 guys in 3 years?
normal They don't talk about it, they don't ask about it. What was before you, remained there. Try telling your significant others how many of you had. It's just that her friend Mia turned out to be a bitch and everything went downhill. And the fact that she's wriggling out and lying about the past, she doesn't want to hurt the main character. Yes, she doesn't regret the past, it's her life, her past. And it helped her overcome some barriers. The main character says that you took away from me the one I loved. Yes, that's true, she changed and became different, it's called evolution. She would have become different even without 300 members. All people change. And the main character wants that naive little girl she was. Leisley needs to run away from the main character and far away. Find the strength to live and be happy without the main character, otherwise this sick asshole will drag her into the abyss.
This is about her past, here I do not touch on the possible betrayals of Leisley. I did not touch on Leisley's craving for self-destruction, here is where the main character should have helped her, if he were not such a weakling.

No he did not "know what he was getting into". He married a fake version of person that didn't exist. And that was intentionally hidden from him.

We are not talking about some regular expected past here. What she was doing in college was something no sane, monogamous person would accept. Because it shows a fundamental difference on how one views relationships and sex. And obviously one can't risk building a family with someone who has such a radically different outlook on these things. It's a recipe for disaster and it's why not sharing it, is blatant deception. The fact you don't even consider it deception is a bit disturbing tbh.

Removing from someone the agency to make an informed decision about wanting to be with you, means you don't really give a shit about them. It's all about yourself and what you want.

 

[Maviarab]

the game won't even start. can anyone help? thank you in advance

I remember something about deleting a couple of files in the game folder. "Presplash" or similar. Try that.

Delete presplash_background.png and presplash_foreground.png from the game folder

He knew what he was getting into

Did she deceive him?

No he didn't, because like 99% of normal sane men, if he knew before the marriage, he wouldn't have married her. Very much she did yes. Any court would allow an anullment when he found out. He asked, she lied, intentionally, knowing exactly what he was asking.

Lasley.

Leisley

LACEY!!!

Find the strength to live and be happy without the main character, otherwise this sick asshole will drag her into the abyss.

his is about her past, here I do not touch on the possible betrayals of Leisley. I did not touch on Leisley's craving for self-destruction, here is where the main character should have helped her, if he were not such a weakling.

Next....

 

[Fmedic]

I thought today, most blame Lasley. But the main character should only attach importance to the betrayal that will take place after the wedding. The fact that she led a dissolute life before the wedding, the main character accepted and agreed to live with it. He knew what he was getting into. And no videos from the past should affect their relationship. This is not fair to Lasley. He should not even watch them. And if he watches them, then he is either sick or a latent masochist.
Further, when Lasley leaves for college, she is very young and what she says, quote
"She promised me that after graduation she would return to this city."
"And that she would love me the way I deserve."
All these are the words of that moment in time. The words of a very young girl who has not seen life. But you can't step into this river twice. Nothing stands still, everything changes and she changed too. She believed that the main character had forgotten her and was leading a similar lifestyle. The fact that the main character sat in a student dorm and jerked off in front of the computer is his problem. And only a phone call brought her back to him. And he's not fucking happy. His love came back to him and loves him more than life itself. Did she deceive him? What was she supposed to say, that yes, I had 300 guys in 3 years?
normal They don't talk about it, they don't ask about it. What was before you, remained there. Try telling your significant others how many of you had. It's just that her friend Mia turned out to be a bitch and everything went downhill. And the fact that she's wriggling out and lying about the past, she doesn't want to hurt the main character. Yes, she doesn't regret the past, it's her life, her past. And it helped her overcome some barriers. The main character says that you took away from me the one I loved. Yes, that's true, she changed and became different, it's called evolution. She would have become different even without 300 members. All people change. And the main character wants that naive little girl she was. Leisley needs to run away from the main character and far away. Find the strength to live and be happy without the main character, otherwise this sick asshole will drag her into the abyss.
This is about her past, here I do not touch on the possible betrayals of Leisley. I did not touch on Leisley's craving for self-destruction, here is where the main character should have helped her, if he were not such a weakling.

WOW, . . . . . . Yes the past is the past but, for a guy it's a total mind fuck because of the complete change, not a little college life. he married a cum sponge without knowing it. Not what a guy wants for a wife and a mother.
As for Lacey thought MC forgot about her, untrue, it states that he constantly call and left messages and texted her, she never responded till Anna called.
Lacey really is not the problem, its the pimp. Lacey found comfort in a drug and alcohol. The pimp pushed her along even as Lacey resisted early on.
MC is putting up with her past, present and what the possible future brings, blaming himself for everything. The guy gave up his life for her.

 

[DeviantFun]

the game won't even start. anyone can help? thank you in advance

follow these instructions.

we should have them pinned somewhere.

https://f95zone.to/threads/love-jealousy-act-2-professor-amethyst-games.252651/post-17636588