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DeviantFun

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Honestly, that's what I think was the hardest part about seeing the Damian scene upon a replay is knowing that MC was no longer the only guy to kiss Lacey. It was something that he had special for himself, but after that, it was gone. I really want them to talk about that at some point if/when they talk about the Damian incident again
Eeeeeeexactly my friend!

And it is why I fought so much with everyone that defended the kiss in the jealousy date, they lost another if not the only intimate thing they had all for themselves.
This time voluntarily, with MC being "forced" to accept it.

I understand, normally you wouldn't mind to much about a kiss, but for them it is much more important and gains a big emotional weight.
 

anongamer1983

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Eeeeeeexactly my friend!

And it is why I fought so much with everyone that defended the kiss in the jealousy date, they lost another if not the only intimate thing they had all for themselves.
This time voluntarily, with MC being "forced" to accept it.

I understand, normally you wouldn't mind to much about a kiss, but for them it is much more important and gains a big emotional weight.
Yeah, I feel a little fortunate that I didn't discover this game until like 4 weeks ago, right before Act 2 released because I didn't have to wait very long to think about things.

I think there are some literary reasons for the kiss, but I still wish that the kiss itself was optional like the rest of it.
From dialogue, it seems like MC is more jealous over the kiss than the sex itself (imo). Lacey also doesn't seem to enjoy kissing other people with the "Why did you ask me to do that?" and "...I absolutely want that erased from my mind". Sure, Lacey is so turned on from her jealousy kink that she'll do anything for MC, including kissing someone. However, I think the kiss damages both of them, and I think that it's them sort of discovering a limit for NTS scenarios where I believe that future instances of MC making her kiss someone will result in loss of good guy points
 

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I say this with absolutely no snark, malice, or sarcasm whatsoever ... but truthfully, this thread is every bit as entertaining as the game itself, and I really wish I had more time to participate beyond reading.

I appreciate everybody (okay, maybe not *everybody* lol) in here for their contributions to what has been a deeply engaging and largely civil conversation.
 

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I say this with absolutely no snark, malice, or sarcasm whatsoever ... but truthfully, this thread is every bit as entertaining as the game itself, and I really wish I had more time to participate beyond reading.

I appreciate everybody (okay, maybe not *everybody* lol) in here for their contributions to what has been a deeply engaging and largely civil conversation.
I agree this has been one of the more chilled out threads I have been on , theres only so much bickering you can take from the NTR/NTS/vanilla die hards

So it's been pretty refreshing to be on this one
 

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Yeah, I feel a little fortunate that I didn't discover this game until like 4 weeks ago, right before Act 2 released because I didn't have to wait very long to think about things.

I think there are some literary reasons for the kiss, but I still wish that the kiss itself was optional like the rest of it.
From dialogue, it seems like MC is more jealous over the kiss than the sex itself (imo). Lacey also doesn't seem to enjoy kissing other people with the "Why did you ask me to do that?" and "...I absolutely want that erased from my mind". Sure, Lacey is so turned on from her jealousy kink that she'll do anything for MC, including kissing someone. However, I think the kiss damages both of them, and I think that it's them sort of discovering a limit for NTS scenarios where I believe that future instances of MC making her kiss someone will result in loss of good guy points
As usual, I agree.

So the literary reason is that the author wanted "emotional growth".
I challenged that concept and said what Dianne said lliterally 5 minutes after finishing the game.
It was manipulatory and abusive plus Lacey didn't care about what MC felt at that time.

Yes, she said she would do whatever he wanted, but she should have had a limit as well and vut that right off.
If you go ahead and complete the whole scenario a lot is discussed.
But the main point that is discussed in all of them is: She didn't particularly care about being his acress, what she liked the most is that he was willing to force himself to be jealous and toy with that emotion with her.

Which makes me shiver if I think about it, together with the concept: I need to show you that I can fuck whoever I want but I will always come back to you / be yours, to try and cancel her past.

She enjoys kissing whoever and whomever, her oral fixatioin is pretty strong, just put a cock in front of her when she is in that state and she would absolutely enjoy it.
Look at how little remorse or problem she had with Damian.

If I have to be honest, the whole 3 stages, narratively speaking, are mostly tied to covering the cuck fetish.
The problem I have is that I think that the stage 2 is the canon.

To reprise, I didn't see any emotional growth, I have seen a victim thanking his abuser (the thanks for everything at the end of the act kills me, in my version Lacey thanks MC, as it should be after he did something like that for her) and a lot of mental gymnastics.



I say this with absolutely no snark, malice, or sarcasm whatsoever ... but truthfully, this thread is every bit as entertaining as the game itself, and I really wish I had more time to participate beyond reading.

I appreciate everybody (okay, maybe not *everybody* lol) in here for their contributions to what has been a deeply engaging and largely civil conversation.
Great to have you here and to be able to provide entertainment.

But now you need to spill the names, the good and the bad alike :ROFLMAO:
 

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Anna has one-sided loved him for what? 2 years? He has realized what the future without Lacey, one in a sane relationship, would be. He even played whith the idea of it. He is, in a crass way, addicted to Lacey, and what that implies, from being hurt to being the hero that saves and comforts her.

As long as she is around and in her actual attitude he is not gonna change for the better, even if she wasnt in his life as long as any girl showed some form of pain around him, he would inmediately activate the hero/caring mode and give her the pseudo-lacey treatment. Basically, its his nature. Until he changes the extreme way he sacrifices up himself in a relationship, he wont be capable to really understand that there are relationships where you dont burn yourself for the others, healthy relationships.
This is exactly why I said that the MC completely miss reads Bella. Because he gave her the "pseudo-Lacey treatment " as soon as she stepped through the door.
 

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Hiya,

So I did a thing... As mentioned I've been working on a compressive timeline the last days and was hoping to put it up for peer review.
DeviantFun Maviarab AL.d baconsmoke I would particularly appreciate your thoughts on the matter

I've categorised event in three different categories where possible: MC Events, Lacey Events and combined/marriage events.
I've also made clear separations for the Prelude, Act 1 and Act 2. I've also underlaid various year long time frames, e.g. freshman year, 1st year of marriage etc.
Events that are lined up above one another mean they happen on the same day, or for vaguer time frame like college concurrently.

Most event have additional notes, including specific or relative time and dates,
If you have any thoughts on improving visibility of important events or highlighting certain aspects, feel free to suggest.
If you have any specific corrections or if I left anything out, please DM me, preferably with a reference, so it doesn't get lost in this chat.
A paths outline/walkthrough would probably be too much in this and think should be saved for another document, but I am open to suggestions.

The hardest event I had placing was when Barty could have recorded the little bitch audio from Lacey.
It had to be before the other known ketamine use with the practical jokes, as Lacey had to have found her stash before that on the day of the recording. But at the same time Barty references what he said to MC on his last visit about blow jobs, but that just might have been postproduction scripting.

Anyway, please enjoy
 

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Sure Cyrius can dm me if he wants. I have done and do, do a lot of WT, often working directly with the dev (doing three like that currently). If he already started a PDF WT then I'll leave him to it and not bother. Still doing my own day by day timeline though as too much stuff is not mathing at all for me and too many discrepcancies.
I’d love to collaborate

Also just posted my timeline
 
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But now you need to spill the names, the good and the bad alike :ROFLMAO:
Heh, I wouldn't read too much into that. Just giving myself an "out" since 100% success is generally impossible to attain in such matters. :) The "All Stars" know who they are, and anybody who's contributed pretty much anything coherent to the discussion is A-OK in my book.

The few failing to meet the "coherent" standard are being dealt with appropriately:
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I’d love to collaborate

Also just posted my timeline
And just downloaded. Almost midnight here so not going to look at it tonight (would like to be fully awake lol), but will go through it as I'm doing my own then any suggestions/corrections will be as I'm doing it, so we can try and get it as accurate as possible (given what we have to work with).

As you not actually done a WT, I'll work on that at the same time, I have a format I like to use for all my WT's that's already templated out and DeviantFun has already done most of the work, so an easy enough job to convert for me.

Will message you tomorrow though for sure, as hoping to start tomorrow afternoon.
 

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The hardest event I had placing was when Barty could have recorded the little bitch audio from Lacey.
It had to be before the other known ketamine use with the practical jokes, as Lacey had to have found her stash before that on the day of the recording. But at the same time Barty references what he said to MC on his last visit about blow jobs, but that just might have been postproduction scripting.
I believe Barty was the 3rd time she used. The first was Evan and Jared, the second was Damian, and the third was Barty. She mentions it was an old sweatshirt from college, so I imagine it might have been in the suitcase that Mia brought?
 

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I believe Barty was the 3rd time she used. The first was Evan and Jared, the second was Damian, and the third was Barty. She mentions it was an old sweatshirt from college, so I imagine it might have been in the suitcase that Mia brought?
This would make logicial sense in the story. I believe the Barty mouthing off at the MC was a tester to put it into the back of his mind. However, how long after Mia brought the case around ----> to Lacey using it...is not defined.
 
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I'll fully admit that the Barty incident could have been the first or second case, but my first read through made me think that the old sweatshirt came back from the suitcase

However, when I replay the game, then I'll keep that in mind to see if I can find some evidence one way or another
 
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DeviantFun

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I believe Barty was the 3rd time she used. The first was Evan and Jared, the second was Damian, and the third was Barty. She mentions it was an old sweatshirt from college, so I imagine it might have been in the suitcase that Mia brought?
This would make logicial sense in the story. I believe the Barty mouthing off at the MC was a tester to put it into the back of his mind. However, how long after Mia brought the case around ----> to Lacey using it...is not defined.
I'll fully admit that the Barty incident could have been the first or second case, but my first read through made me think that the old sweatshirt came back from the suitcase

However, when I replay the game, then I'll keep that in mind to see if I can find some evidence one way or another
I am trying to rebuild the order of events, because I trust the timeline provided by Crysus but I have a nagging feeling that I can't explain.

It is strange because Barty shows up and tells MC that he would either break his promise or lie.

This means that the SA from Barty happened before, did the video happen before too?

THEN he shows up drunk asking for a BJ, this invalidates the fact that he doesn't break his promises but would he do the same thing when he is sober?

So the video recording could have happened even after he shows up drunk.

I understand anongamer1983 there is a mention of the red hoodie in both punish and no fun routes and gets thrown out.
In the slut route it is not mentioned because it is probably one of the outfits she will be fucked in or simply it was forgotten.
But Lacey mentions only old sweatshirt that she hasn't used since college, so it could be anything.
 
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