VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[winterwolf200]

When Anna and Mia run into each other and discuss Vegas, they bring up Will's personality change in the last part and mention that he seems more interested in a certain blonde intern.
Anyway. What bugs me about the whole thing is FV and Will's reaction to the MC's lack of a reaction to the fake. That whole dialogue seems to indicate that they don't know of Lacey's past. Or, at the very least they assume that the MC doesn't.

 

[CrysusPariah2]

No she isn't, she is in the document pool.


Pretty much all correct, so a bit of a mystery really. Touching upon FV (Dick Dastardly) not seeming to be interested in the girls directly is an interesting one. I also think the same/got the same thought. Doesn;t appear to have much knowledge of the girls themselves though, does not seem to know who Veronica is, doesn't really know all their dynamic, just knows 'of' the core three and the sucubuss' 'past history'....

Also seems more to be designed to hurt the MC, be voindictive towards the mc...more than the girls. LIke, they are just a bonus for the plan, but the actual plan is directly against the MC himself.

And to add to the mystery, the Monster seems to be aware of all of this. How are they getting so much information? Other guys...struggling to think of any who wopuld be so upset with the MC himself to go to all this elborate (and what will ultimately be pointless) trouble....

i posted something earlier about FV targeting MC and not really the girls.
The question is, who feels more wronged by MC than Lacey by the series of events?
Jared? Maybe, but he is on a leash and has different motivation
Evan? MC had nothing to do with the arrest?
Isaac? No, and FV doesn’t know about Mc moving yet

My money is either on Stephen with ph, thought he had something real with Lacey, only to be pushed away in favor of MC, but also saw the depravity she fell into later on and lost his infatuation with her
Or Lacey’s dad, he blames MC for having the strength to break away from the abuse

 

[CrysusPariah2]

Here are my note on TM and FV

The monster contacts the MC 5 times
1 to warn about the pimp and ketamine
2 check on the aftermath
3 to warn about the video
4 to check on the aftermath (due to the monster not knowing that Mc watched the video, we can exclude Lacey, Mia, Anna and veronica and kelly) and then send him to christine
5 the monster asks about the flight, since he wasn’t aware of the trip, we can also exclude Jeannette and Abby


regarding the familiar voice:
In the files theres a note referring to the familiar voice being barty, and i seriously hope that is only meant to be in reference to the little bitch video and not the coffee meeting or security recording
Someone also mentioned that it appears the familiar voice also doesn’t appear to have any interest of sleeping with the girls himself, so that would let us exclude some suspects, predominantly Isaac, Jared and Lorenzo

i think it was also the FV, and not will, that said they have had to reinvent themselves to get where they are, so what male characters are still available?
MC’s boss? bradley? Stephen with ph? Lacey’s dad?

The fv also has access to MC’s drop server which reduces the number of suspects further

we also don’t know if the voice is familiar for MC or Lacey?

 

[Chaoticjustice]

Here are my note on TM and FV

The monster contacts the MC 5 times
1 to warn about the pimp and ketamine
2 check on the aftermath
3 to warn about the video
4 to check on the aftermath (due to the monster not knowing that Mc watched the video, we can exclude Lacey, Mia, Anna and veronica and kelly) and then send him to christine
5 the monster asks about the flight, since he wasn’t aware of the trip, we can also exclude Jeannette and Abby


regarding the familiar voice:
In the files theres a note referring to the familiar voice being barty, and i seriously hope that is only meant to be in reference to the little bitch video and not the coffee meeting or security recording
Someone also mentioned that it appears the familiar voice also doesn’t appear to have any interest of sleeping with the girls himself, so that would let us exclude some suspects, predominantly Isaac, Jared and Lorenzo

i think it was also the FV, and not will, that said they have had to reinvent themselves to get where they are, so what male characters are still available?
MC’s boss? bradley? Stephen with ph? Lacey’s dad?

The fv also has access to MC’s drop server which reduces the number of suspects further

we also don’t know if the voice is familiar for MC or Lacey?

Just want to tack on a few considerations I had around TM and FV

TM - given that they appear to want to help the MC my thoughts have always been that it's someone within the inner circle - so any of the LIs or Bradley - now I know you have provided reason to rule some of them out but as much as I want to agree part of me is like well all the females in this either lie or purposely withhold the truth

Now Veronica has been on my radar for it or at least having some involvement as it just felt to convenient that she happened to get a work call as the video is sent but I'm not sure if there have been other instances like this along side this another thing that I found odd was during the kings weekend any question that Veronica ask where those that would purposely paint Lacey in a bad light essentially forcing her to further hurt the MC and with this we know she wants there relationship to develop from a phone based one into an actual one

Now my rouge theory for TM is the therapist - yes I know it's a long shot and we don't know anything about the therapist, but until we know more the idea I have in my head is the therapist is someone that went to school with the MC maybe had feelings for them but never declared them or made it into the spotlight because of Lacey

Now it wouldn't be uncommon for Lacey to show a picture of the MC during her sessions ( providing that she's actually going and the therapist actually exists) so the therapist could be acting as TM as a way to work around doctor/patient confidentiality - now like I said it's likely to be a long shot but I'd say until we know more it's hard to rule out

Also something ive always wondered around the deep fake , so the MC is an IT prodigy why has he never went back and reviewed the video himself and do his own investigation around it , he just takes Cristines word on it , but she's still in school and could of missed any number of things - like I fully get that he missed picking up on things at the time due to shock and his emotions at the time , but I just found it strange he never actually reviews it all properly himself

Now on to the FV

Now given that they seem to show no interest in actually sleeping with the females in question it leads me to consider two things- 1, FV is a female and doesn't play for that side or 2, the FV does plan to sleep with them but it's all smoke and mirrors to keep will on side

Now the thing I find most interesting about FV is that they are using will as a proxy to do all the dirty work / the heavy lifting so to speak , so it makes me wonder why do they need will why can't the FV do all of this themselves?

Which leads me to think that it's either someone that has a history with the group and has tried something before and failed and knows that they couldn't pull it off as they MC, Lacey, the crew would not give them the time of day (examples being Lacey's dad or Jared - there's probably more but I can't be bothered listing them all ) hence them needing a proxy

Or is it that it's someone within the inner circle and they know if they where to do all of this in place of will that it would look to suspicious, more likely to get caught and if they do get caught they get removed from the inner circle and are then back to square one

 

[UniPorn]

maybe this is an indice?

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[DeviantFun]

i posted something earlier about FV targeting MC and not really the girls.
The question is, who feels more wronged by MC than Lacey by the series of events?
Jared? Maybe, but he is on a leash and has different motivation
Evan? MC had nothing to do with the arrest?
Isaac? No, and FV doesn’t know about Mc moving yet

My money is either on Stephen with ph, thought he had something real with Lacey, only to be pushed away in favor of MC, but also saw the depravity she fell into later on and lost his infatuation with her
Or Lacey’s dad, he blames MC for having the strength to break away from the abuse

Nah I would exclude any other "past encounters", as much as I would like for stephen to show up, he needs to be inserted for straining the relationship between MC and Lacey, underlying another tainted and ruined moment.

Using him as a Dick Dastardy character is a bit of a waste.

From the dialogues FV seems to be very focused on MC, but to me it looks like FV just wants him out of the picture so the trio is unprotected.
Revenge could be a thing, but I see it more as "MC is an obstacle".
Luckily for MC the FV doesn't know that he is the equivalent of a small bump in the road, not really an obstacle at all.

Here are my note on TM and FV

The monster contacts the MC 5 times
1 to warn about the pimp and ketamine
2 check on the aftermath
3 to warn about the video
4 to check on the aftermath (due to the monster not knowing that Mc watched the video, we can exclude Lacey, Mia, Anna and veronica and kelly) and then send him to christine
5 the monster asks about the flight, since he wasn’t aware of the trip, we can also exclude Jeannette and Abby


regarding the familiar voice:
In the files theres a note referring to the familiar voice being barty, and i seriously hope that is only meant to be in reference to the little bitch video and not the coffee meeting or security recording
Someone also mentioned that it appears the familiar voice also doesn’t appear to have any interest of sleeping with the girls himself, so that would let us exclude some suspects, predominantly Isaac, Jared and Lorenzo

i think it was also the FV, and not will, that said they have had to reinvent themselves to get where they are, so what male characters are still available?
MC’s boss? bradley? Stephen with ph? Lacey’s dad?

The fv also has access to MC’s drop server which reduces the number of suspects further

we also don’t know if the voice is familiar for MC or Lacey?

The monster seems to know a lot, way too much, it will be hard to explain it all without a well placed deus ex machina.
TM know all about FV plans and actions, seems to know about the future (wtf? dominos?) and even about MC trip.

I would exclude anyone from the group, Veronica seemed to disappear at convenient times during the KW, but come on, it doesn't make much sense.
Why would she be so nasty to Mc anyway? why not help him outright.

The domino concept, to me, is a hint on how the group will start falling apart and the tension might rise within it.
We have already several time bombs, such as the crew and MC being quiet about it, the no answers on Lacey's pics, the pimp going full on crazy.
The whole discussion in the morning during the KW points to the group being fractured and MC having to work to glue it together.

But how does TM know about the future effects? I understand wanting to create tension but this is....
Unless, again, TM is some sort of split personality from MC and all we see it like a sort of fever dream (it is impossible to reconcile the event about the video arrival with that TM says), where he kinds of imagine these messages coming in and sometimes inserts the memory of them (unreliable narrator).

Even then, we are way past the "past recount of events" and we are full on in the present so....

Just want to tack on a few considerations I had around TM and FV

TM - given that they appear to want to help the MC my thoughts have always been that it's someone within the inner circle - so any of the LIs or Bradley - now I know you have provided reason to rule some of them out but as much as I want to agree part of me is like well all the females in this either lie or purposely withhold the truth

Now Veronica has been on my radar for it or at least having some involvement as it just felt to convenient that she happened to get a work call as the video is sent but I'm not sure if there have been other instances like this along side this another thing that I found odd was during the kings weekend any question that Veronica ask where those that would purposely paint Lacey in a bad light essentially forcing her to further hurt the MC and with this we know she wants there relationship to develop from a phone based one into an actual one

Now my rouge theory for TM is the therapist - yes I know it's a long shot and we don't know anything about the therapist, but until we know more the idea I have in my head is the therapist is someone that went to school with the MC maybe had feelings for them but never declared them or made it into the spotlight because of Lacey

Now it wouldn't be uncommon for Lacey to show a picture of the MC during her sessions ( providing that she's actually going and the therapist actually exists) so the therapist could be acting as TM as a way to work around doctor/patient confidentiality - now like I said it's likely to be a long shot but I'd say until we know more it's hard to rule out

Also something ive always wondered around the deep fake , so the MC is an IT prodigy why has he never went back and reviewed the video himself and do his own investigation around it , he just takes Cristines word on it , but she's still in school and could of missed any number of things - like I fully get that he missed picking up on things at the time due to shock and his emotions at the time , but I just found it strange he never actually reviews it all properly himself

Now on to the FV

Now given that they seem to show no interest in actually sleeping with the females in question it leads me to consider two things- 1, FV is a female and doesn't play for that side or 2, the FV does plan to sleep with them but it's all smoke and mirrors to keep will on side

Now the thing I find most interesting about FV is that they are using will as a proxy to do all the dirty work / the heavy lifting so to speak , so it makes me wonder why do they need will why can't the FV do all of this themselves?

Which leads me to think that it's either someone that has a history with the group and has tried something before and failed and knows that they couldn't pull it off as they MC, Lacey, the crew would not give them the time of day (examples being Lacey's dad or Jared - there's probably more but I can't be bothered listing them all ) hence them needing a proxy

Or is it that it's someone within the inner circle and they know if they where to do all of this in place of will that it would look to suspicious, more likely to get caught and if they do get caught they get removed from the inner circle and are then back to square one

How can they be in the inner circle? Beth is a novice in It at best, Bradley is not but he seems to be more on other topics and would you imagine Bradley talking like TM does?
TM might have some connections, surely to FV, while he doesn't know who exactly FV is, he knows all the plans.

I cannot even reconcile it with the therapist, how does the therapist know Christine area of expertise?
Even if Lacey spoke about Christine, I doubt she knows exactly what she does, and even if she did she is a datacenter admin.
Plus as I said, we will have to accept a therapist/hacker multiclass that honestly would be super stupid in my book.

I am fine with Mc not understanding the deepfake, you see shit, you know how Lacey has been behaving, trust is low.
Also IT is not a single topic, but it has many different areas of expertise, and even in this areas you might focus on specific aspects, so I can understand MC being clueless about the deepfakes.

Honestly, it seems weird that Christine actually checks it that way, I would have preferred the situation to stabilize and then somebody, even Lacey saying that there was something weird with the lip syncing that would lead to a investigation.
And now Christine is also a deepfake expert that can give evaluations such as "pretty good".

Fv is probably trying to avoid being recognized because he doesn't want to go public OR it is Lorenzo.
It seems weird that FV is within the inner circle, but he surely has access to a LOT of info, from the oral fixation to Lacey's plan to have MC date other women.

Could be Morty? but he shouldn't know these things plus he is a chemical engineer so...

 

[Chaoticjustice]

Nah I would exclude any other "past encounters", as much as I would like for stephen to show up, he needs to be inserted for straining the relationship between MC and Lacey, underlying another tainted and ruined moment.

Using him as a Dick Dastardy character is a bit of a waste.

From the dialogues FV seems to be very focused on MC, but to me it looks like FV just wants him out of the picture so the trio is unprotected.
Revenge could be a thing, but I see it more as "MC is an obstacle".
Luckily for MC the FV doesn't know that he is the equivalent of a small bump in the road, not really an obstacle at all.




The monster seems to know a lot, way too much, it will be hard to explain it all without a well placed deus ex machina.
TM know all about FV plans and actions, seems to know about the future (wtf? dominos?) and even about MC trip.

I would exclude anyone from the group, Veronica seemed to disappear at convenient times during the KW, but come on, it doesn't make much sense.
Why would she be so nasty to Mc anyway? why not help him outright.

The domino concept, to me, is a hint on how the group will start falling apart and the tension might rise within it.
We have already several time bombs, such as the crew and MC being quiet about it, the no answers on Lacey's pics, the pimp going full on crazy.
The whole discussion in the morning during the KW points to the group being fractured and MC having to work to glue it together.

But how does TM know about the future effects? I understand wanting to create tension but this is....
Unless, again, TM is some sort of split personality from MC and all we see it like a sort of fever dream (it is impossible to reconcile the event about the video arrival with that TM says), where he kinds of imagine these messages coming in and sometimes inserts the memory of them (unreliable narrator).

Even then, we are way past the "past recount of events" and we are full on in the present so....



How can they be in the inner circle? Beth is a novice in It at best, Bradley is not but he seems to be more on other topics and would you imagine Bradley talking like TM does?
TM might have some connections, surely to FV, while he doesn't know who exactly FV is, he knows all the plans.

I cannot even reconcile it with the therapist, how does the therapist know Christine area of expertise?
Even if Lacey spoke about Christine, I doubt she knows exactly what she does, and even if she did she is a datacenter admin.
Plus as I said, we will have to accept a therapist/hacker multiclass that honestly would be super stupid in my book.

I am fine with Mc not understanding the deepfake, you see shit, you know how Lacey has been behaving, trust is low.
Also IT is not a single topic, but it has many different areas of expertise, and even in this areas you might focus on specific aspects, so I can understand MC being clueless about the deepfakes.

Honestly, it seems weird that Christine actually checks it that way, I would have preferred the situation to stabilize and then somebody, even Lacey saying that there was something weird with the lip syncing that would lead to a investigation.
And now Christine is also a deepfake expert that can give evaluations such as "pretty good".

Fv is probably trying to avoid being recognized because he doesn't want to go public OR it is Lorenzo.
It seems weird that FV is within the inner circle, but he surely has access to a LOT of info, from the oral fixation to Lacey's plan to have MC date other women.

Could be Morty? but he shouldn't know these things plus he is a chemical engineer so...

All valid points , there was another consideration I had for TM that it's Erica and she's been having a snoop through wills phone or he lets slip on things that he shouldn't and that how she would know , now again this is likely to be a stretch/ too early to tell

 

[DeviantFun]

All valid points , there was another consideration I had for TM that it's Erica and she's been having a snoop through wills phone or he lets slip on things that he shouldn't and that how she would know , now again this is likely to be a stretch/ too early to tell

This would have been a GREAT plot point, but Erica seems to be oblivious to everything, and how would she know Christine and her expertise? How would she know MC has been dealt with a raw hand? How would she watch MC? And more importantly the pimp plans unless those are influenced by FV? And even then, how would she know about the domino effect?

She would know the pimp, Anna and Lacey for sure, and could have a bit of a grudge against Lacey after the office party.
She is a singer(?) in a band, I am not sure about her hacking skills but she could get help for that.

So while it would be a nice twist, I don't think the info lines up.

maybe this is an indice?

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Yeah both me and CrysusPariah2 found the same thing, but I don't think it is indicative.
We don't even know if Barty was in the video 100% or it was another deepfake with other actors, we never see his face, and why shouldn't we? (maybe this is a image generation issue).

Honestly the fact that Barty is involved in that way was a huge let down.
Doesn't make any sense for what we have seen of the character in act 1 and is certoonish at best.

I hope he is actually not involved, and even the video recording of Lacey talking was like Barty's brother or something (shitty trope but will be better than what we have).

 

[Chaoticjustice]

This would have been a GREAT plot point, but Erica seems to be oblivious to everything, and how would she know Christine and her expertise? How would she know MC has been dealt with a raw hand? How would she watch MC? And more importantly the pimp plans unless those are influenced by FV? And even then, how would she know about the domino effect?

She would know the pimp, Anna and Lacey for sure, and could have a bit of a grudge against Lacey after the office party.
She is a singer(?) in a band, I am not sure about her hacking skills but she could get help for that.

So while it would be a nice twist, I don't think the info lines up.



Yeah both me and CrysusPariah2 found the same thing, but I don't think it is indicative.
We don't even know if Barty was in the video 100% or it was another deepfake with other actors, we never see his face, and why shouldn't we? (maybe this is a image generation issue).

Honestly the fact that Barty is involved in that way was a huge let down.
Doesn't make any sense for what we have seen of the character in act 1 and is certoonish at best.

I hope he is actually not involved, and even the video recording of Lacey talking was like Barty's brother or something (shitty trope but will be better than what we have).

So I've had another think about TM and I've come up with a somewhat pretty creative theory that I don't actually mind

So TM what if we are looking at it wrong and it's not one single person and it's actually a collective of people

Maybe a group like the managers that the MC oversees in work including Jeanette - now there motive isn't actually sexual apart from Jeanette , so the group of managers understand that if Lacey destroys the MC it has a knock on effect to them in regards to support , funding and maybe even job losses after all they did collectively chat around how the MC was the best person to take the director of it role as it would protect them all so they are now protecting the MC to protect themselves

Now with this they have access to a multitude if different skill sets and I wouldn't bet again the company they all work for having a few ethical hackers on the books to stress test systems

Now this is where I've got really creative

The monster= TM but TM also = Team Manager and I wouldn't say it's uncommon that team managers feel like they are the monsters in the workplace as they have to sack people and all of the other things that comes with the role and it's not uncommon for staff to think of team managers as monsters

So I've went of the deep end with this one , but if it was this I wouldn't mind it at all

 

[CrysusPariah2]

the no answers on Lacey's pics,

What are you referring to here? The pics from the pimps bonus lesson?

 

[DeviantFun]

What are you referring to here? The pics from the pimps bonus lesson?

Yes, since the theme of the game is that the pimp is a shit human and she is always wrong, plus Lacey has always some good or heartfelt motivations behind even the worst acts possible, we can easily assume that the vague answer Lacey gave in the kitchen when the K confrontation happens will be explained at some point.

The emotional scene will be composed as such:
MC will find the balls to get angry or will ask the question, Lacey will cuddle him and explain that she was just smiling because she felt that she could come back or that she was pleasing her pimp or whatever weak reasoning MC is fed usually.

Unless, but I doubt it, we will finally we will be able to go through Lacey's past in a more realistic and serious manner, and reconcile her rave going, cock sucking, party animal, explorative self with a "real" recount of the events.

 

[CrysusPariah2]

Yes, since the theme of the game is that the pimp is a shit human and she is always wrong, plus Lacey has always some good or heartfelt motivations behind even the worst acts possible, we can easily assume that the vague answer Lacey gave in the kitchen when the K confrontation happens will be explained at some point.

The emotional scene will be composed as such:
MC will find the balls to get angry or will ask the question, Lacey will cuddle him and explain that she was just smiling because she felt that she could come back or that she was pleasing her pimp or whatever weak reasoning MC is fed usually.

Unless, but I doubt it, we will finally we will be able to go through Lacey's past in a more realistic and serious manner, and reconcile her rave going, cock sucking, party animal, explorative self with a "real" recount of the events.

Vague answer along the lines of “what kind of monster do you think i was?” where she answers with a question but doesn’t elaborate and instead talks to the pimp about the love experiment?

 

[Diosvincenccio]

Unless, we will finally we will be able to go through Lacey's past in a more realistic and serious manner, and reconcile her rave going, cock sucking, party animal, explorative self with a "real" recount of the events.

We do need a recap of events with Lacey explaining her motivations for all her past college time and Act 1, making it as a part of the therapy or her telling her issues in therapy would make sense.

 

[AL.d]

Yes, since the theme of the game is that the pimp is a shit human

I wouldn't call it the the theme of the game but she is definitely a shit friend.

...and she is always wrong

Nope. In fact, if you look at it objectively without the understandable hate boner, she has been proven right more times than wrong. At least for the shit that matters. Hell until we abuse our boss power to get Lorenzo to drop his pants in front of us, we can't even be certain about the one thing that seemed to be wrong.

What kitchen reply are you referring to?

 

[DeviantFun]

Vague answer along the lines of “what kind of monster do you think i was?” where she answers with a question but doesn’t elaborate and instead talks to the pimp about the love experiment?

Yep, exactly, I feel like the "mysteries" are simply piling up without ever getting solved, even partially.

We do need a recap of events with Lacey explaining her motivations for all her past college time and Act 1, making it as a part of the therapy or her telling her issues in therapy would make sense.

We could, but at some point there will be a lot of "I wanted to".

I wouldn't call it the the theme of the game but she is definitely a shit friend.



Nope. In fact, if you look at it objectively without the understandable hate boner, she has been proven right more times than wrong. At least for the shit that matters. Hell until we abuse our boss power to get Lorenzo to drop his pants in front of us, we can't even be certain about the one thing that seemed to be wrong.

What kitchen reply are you referring to?

It is heavily implied, actually nevermind, it is stated even by the pimp herself that she never understood Lacey, then this revelation of her gets a bit retconned for Schock value in act2.
So that should actually set the tone on her version of the events.

I cannot find a single moment where the pimp was not wrong, or had a very "personal" take.

I hope we are not doubting the Lorenzo thing now, because it would start to be a bit ridicolous.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

We could, but at some point there will be a lot of "I wanted to".

C'mon DF relax, lay down in the coach. Adjusts glasses and starts taking notes in a small notebook. Tell Doctor Vincenccio WHY you wanted to. Lets explore more. We need to go deeper. How was your relationship with your daddy?

 

[AL.d]

Yep, exactly, I feel like the "mysteries" are simply piling up without ever getting solved, even partially.



We could, but at some point there will be a lot of "I wanted to".



It is heavily implied, actually nevermind, it is stated even by the pimp herself that she never understood Lacey, then this revelation of her gets a bit retconned for Schock value in act2.
So that should actually set the tone on her version of the events.

I cannot find a single moment where the pimp was not wrong, or had a very "personal" take.

I hope we are not doubting the Lorenzo thing now, because it would start to be a bit ridicolous.

I believe she was wrong about Lorenzo but its one and very minor thing.

The thing with Mia, is that unlike Lacey, for most things she comes with receipts. Lacey's denial is always just words.

Was she wrong about Lacey being a turbo slut in college and omitting truth when asked? No, she was right.

Was she wrong when she claimed Lacey did have relationships in college? No, she was right.

Was she wrong when she claimed Lacey was enjoying what she was doing and showing receipts? Lacey denies with just words saying she was always drugged and couldn't even remember what she was doing. A blatant lie because she did remember with fine details. And judging from both the pics and looking at her enjoying being a married slut for Damien and Morty, where is the lie here?

The convo you mentioned has her replying with the monster line and then whining about Mia not asking her instead of assuming. But at the same time when discussing being the college slut with MC, she cannot give an answer about why she did all that. So what is this enlightening answer that she would have given Mia, that she cannot give to him? It's standard Lacey deflect and redirect bs, there is no way you haven't picked up on that.

 

[DeviantFun]

I believe she was wrong about Lorenzo but its one and very minor thing.

Absolutely not minor, narratively it is used to signify and undermine the idea that the pimp has any sort of truth behind her words.
In her own admission in that convo she says:
M "In most stories, there's more than one truth."
M "I have my memories of Lacey's life in college."
M "And she has hers."

Exactly after she created drama with her obviously wrong, recount of the events.
She also implies that Lacey is the one that lies, washing her hands off Lacey's past and saying that things do not make sense.
Act 2 lets us discover why she thinks like this, because she didn't know who was the person in front of them and what she was doing.

Remember this is the woman that was telling the truth when she was angry about Lacey listening to MC songs instead of fucking and be happy like she wanted her to.

Why? because she had no idea about what Lacey was going through and didn't care to know.
She never asked her about her childhood too.

The thing with Mia, is that unlike Lacey, for most things she comes with receipts. Lacey's denial is always just words.

Which receipts? the pictures? ot the recount of a person that had her head so far up in her own ass that thought about having a last "hurrah" with an addict trying to clean up?
Many years ago there was this viral picture, that I can't find anymore, it showed 2 soldiers and a wounded civilian.
If you cut one side you chould see a soldier pointing a gun at the civilian, if you cut the other you could see a soldier giving him water.
The reality was that you have to look at the whole picture to understand the situation, the pimp mental image of Lacey is wrong, it is the theme of their relationship, she doesn't even know the other side ffs.
And if you are talking about the pictures she brings as receit, no one is discussing that they exist, it is the motivation that changes.

As usual I need to underline that I do not accept what Lacey did, in fact one of my major points is that Lacey had more fun than she makes us believe, but the pimp has no clue of what and where that fun was.
Her interest in Lacey was at best if she liked a specific sex thing or not, and you should know why.
She cared about the sex part because it was her objective, Lacey's feelings were not even in the picture for her.

M "And seriously, by the time it was all over, she was sick and tired of that life."
M "It caused a lot of mental and emotional damage to her."

This is the character we are putting our stock in to tell a truthful reccount of the events.

Was she wrong about Lacey being a turbo slut in college and omitting truth when asked? No, she was right.

I don't know what this means, are you referring to the lessons?
Even then, she confirms a lot of what Lacey then says to MC, such as:

M "You were always her goal."

Was she wrong when she claimed Lacey did have relationships in college? No, she was right.

M "It was when they started getting too close to Lacey that she put a stop to it."
M "'No emotional attachments Mia, that's the rule'."
M "I guess that's how she kept what she was doing separate from how she felt about you."

Or are you twisting (I don't know a better word, I don't mean this negatively) dialogues such as:

M "Well, Isaac was the third semi emotional attachment Lacey made."

Because she only says that if MC was not there Lacey could have probably dated Stephen and Lorenzo, but has nothing to prove it, it is her impression, no "receipts"

Was she wrong when she claimed Lacey was enjoying what she was doing and showing receipts? Lacey denies with just words saying she was always drugged and couldn't even remember what she was doing. A blatant lie because she did remember with fine details. And judging from both the pics and looking at her enjoying being a married slut for Damien and Morty, where is the lie here?

The convo you mentioned has her replying with the monster line and then whining about Mia not asking her instead of assuming. But at the same time when discussing being the college slut with MC, she cannot give an answer about why she did all that. So what is this enlightening answer that she would have given Mia, that she cannot give to him? It's standard Lacey deflect and redirect bs, there is no way you haven't picked up on that.

The lie comes from her not understanding a single thing.
Lacey enjoyment is a contentious topic, that I also want more of, and her memory is another thing that is managed poorly in the story.
What we can try to think, to make peace of it, is that her memory works relatively well (fuzzy things here and there) aside from the moments where she is high on K.

Now that I am done with the preamble, you are judging Lacey from the fact that she enjoys sex, sure ok, she probably enjoys it more than a normal person?
I have criticized heavily both Damian and Jealousy Date in their intention and execution, I do not see the connection to her college life aside from having a full on separation between sex and love (which, honestly, I doubt but I cannot be like the pimp and make assumptions).

I mean, I am deep in the story, I think that I do not miss things often.
The point of that convo is to underline the basic misunderstanding of Lacey's character and motivations by the pimp.

Or was the pimp lying here?
M "You were always there on her mind."
and
M "You were always her goal."

Because one is A and the other is NOT A.
Phase 3 is hard to understand, the pimp never understood.
This is how the story is written, this is the message.

My strong attachment to the concept that Lacey had more fun than we actually know is in my mind but it is only vaguely hinted by a couple of answers to the KW, that are hastly put together tbh and contain consistency errors.

C'mon DF relax, lay down in the coach. Adjusts glasses and starts taking notes in a small notebook. Tell Doctor Vincenccio WHY you wanted to. Lets explore more. We need to go deeper. How was your relationship with your daddy?

Look I am entering a meeting right now (no I am not the monster), but I am actually interested now in building something with all Lacey's excuses and self contradictions.
I think I'll do that at some point.

 

[Maviarab]

Special K girls porn empire of whatever could be not a real motivation. Someone maybe using Will. And that is made up story to get him on board.

YEah, he a classic patsy for when it all goes wrong...

Anyway. What bugs me about the whole thing is FV and Will's reaction to the MC's lack of a reaction to the fake. That whole dialogue seems to indicate that they don't know of Lacey's past. Or, at the very least they assume that the MC doesn't.

OMFG...wrong wrong wrong wrong.

Now my rouge theory for TM is the therapist - yes I know it's a long shot and we don't know anything about the therapist, but until we know more the idea I have in my head is the therapist is someone that went to school with the MC maybe had feelings for them but never declared them or made it into the spotlight because of Lacey

It's out there....as out there as anything else that happens in the story lol.

Now the thing I find most interesting about FV is that they are using will as a proxy to do all the dirty work / the heavy lifting so to speak , so it makes me wonder why do they need will why can't the FV do all of this themselves?

They don't need him imo. Sure, he useful to find people who are desperate for cash, but they could probably also do that themselves. As I said above, he a patsy...it all goes wrong, FV is unknown, he takes the fall. I just wonder when it does go wrong, how forgiving the disney princess is going to be for a 4th time bailing the succubuss' ass out with legal...

Look I am entering a meeting right now (no I am not the monster)

Riiiggghhhhht....



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Barty also been on my mind this morning (our obsession with this shit is NOT healthy lol). Going through all his interactions again...I'm really not happy with the placement of 'the interview' with the succubuss finding/taking the K in the bag or how that even came about with 'them' obviously being ready to go at the drop of a hat and they would have had to have watched the succubus snort it up. Math still not mathing for me.

 

[CrysusPariah2]

I am really hoping for a scene where MC walks in on Lacey masturbating, maybe because she was desperate and he wasn’t available for red bra night, but Lacey isn’t necessarily thinking of MC but whatever is necessary to try and reset herself, causing more misunderstandings and tension

Isaacs home cameras could be used for this instead of Mc actually walking in