VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[Diosvincenccio]

I have only one point, the pimp repeatedly states she thought she was a lesbian but then realized she isn't, even as recently as the king weekend.
It is also stated that she is in love with MC.
So I am kinda confused, those multiple lines of dialogue have less worth than a single line where it is stated that she touches L butt?

I know, and i still hold hopes for her being somewhat BI, or at least lesbian for her, but thats why i stated that it needs proof even to my own theory, which i lack. It would make her actions in the early game more credible and less of a overeaction to losing a sex toy. But yeah, so far no proof.

The term 'special k' is only used three times in the whole VN

I mean breakfast cereals arent of much importance to the story. Just kidding. Nice catch.

 

[Maviarab]

Damn! You're spinning my speculation wheels here.

That is actually true, Lacey always refers to it as Ketamine, maybe to be more comprehensible to our sheltered MC, still a nice catch.

It may be nothing, but if it is...

It is interesting isn't it?

The FV conversation (with Will) is on the prior wednesday.
Mia showing up with the 'special k' is the very...next...day....and the first time she calls it that name.
Sunday, Mia uses the term again.

The main problem here is that (as you're probably aware), the prof does a very good job of saying things and insinuating things without actually saying anything directly. All the signs point to Mia being a mole, but it's probably misdirection and a red herring. But it puts the thought into your head. Much like the Isaac timline, all the signs indicate something but the actual dialogue never backs it up.

It's like AI assuming Veronica is FV. She isn't, it's an actual physical impossibility as she cannot be in two places at once (and all the signs actually point to her being the Monster if you look deep enough). However, it takes some real effort to actually notice this. So one cannot discount this theory regarding Mia completely, and we have the Monster's warning.....but it's all a little too convenient don't you think...huge neon sign pointing to her.

However, still cannot discount the fact, neither her or Lacey have ever used this term before (that we see and K is mentioned a lot)...until Mia starts using it the day after FV does.....

 

[Lestrouduc]

It is interesting isn't it?

The FV conversation (with Will) is on the prior wednesday.
Mia showing up with the 'special k' is the very...next...day....and the first time she calls it that name.
Sunday, Mia uses the term again.

The main problem here is that (as you're probably aware), the prof does a very good job of saying things and insinuating things without actually saying anything directly. All the signs point to Mia being a mole, but it's probably misdirection and a red herring. But it puts the thought into your head. Much like the Isaac timline, all the signs indicate something but the actual dialogue never backs it up.

It's like AI assuming Veronica is FV. She isn't, it's an actual physical impossibility as she cannot be in two places at once (and all the signs actually point to her being the Monster if you look deep enough). However, it takes some real effort to actually notice this. So one cannot discount this theory regarding Mia completely, and we have the Monster's warning.....but it's all a little too convenient don't you think...huge neon sign pointing to her.

However, still cannot discount the fact, neither her or Lacey have ever used this term before (that we see and K is mentioned a lot)...until Mia starts using it the day after FV does.....

Uh, what are you implying with "special k"? That Mia is in cahoots with FV?

 

[Maviarab]

Uh, what are you implying with "special k"? That Mia is in cahoots with FV?

I try not to imply anything (difficult at times I realise) but the facts are there. If you read my last post, you'll also know I believe it to be misdirection (again, the dev is a big fan of this)...

However, if it pure misdirection and a red herring...what's the actual connection? We have already been told btw about Mia being involved in something and that she is the start of a domino effect, and that 'her plans' have already been set in motiion. It's entirely possible something she did/or said...is the direct unknown consequence of FV's plans.

Actions have a strange way of having a chain reaction. Cause and effect. How do you know the guy you saved from walking in front of a bus is not going to later murder his wife or hit your child with his car while drunk? Extreme example but trying to make the point that something Mia has done (perhaps inconsequential to her in terms of knocking Lacey down a peg or two) could have had far wider consequences than even she thought possible.

Ultimately, I'm only stating facts as presented. The term is used three times, first by FV, the day after by Mia and then three days later again by MIa. This is not coincidence btw.

Read into that how you wish.

 

[Lestrouduc]

I try not to imply anything (difficult at times I realise) but the facts are there. If you read my last post, you'll also know I believe it to be misdirection (again, the dev is a big fan of this)...

However, if it pure misdirection and a red herring...what's the actual connection? We have already been told btw about Mia being involved in something and that she is the start of a domino effect, and that 'her plans' have already been set in motiion. It's entirely possible something she did/or said...is the direct unknown consequence of FV's plans.

Actions have a strange way of having a chain reaction. Cause and effect. How do you know the guy you saved from walking in front of a bus is not going to later murder his wife or hit your child with his car while drunk? Extreme example but trying to make the point that something Mia has done (perhaps inconsequential to her in terms of knocking Lacey down a peg or two) could have had far wider consequences than even she thought possible.

Ultimately, I'm only stating facts as presented. The term is used three times, first by FV, the day after by Mia and then three days later again by MIa. Read into that how you wish.

In any case, it's a very interesting theory and yes, why not after all...

 

[DeviantFun]

I know, and i still hold hopes for her being somewhat BI, or at least lesbian for her, but thats why i stated that it needs proof even to my own theory, which i lack. It would make her actions in the early game more credible and less of a overeaction to losing a sex toy. But yeah, so far no proof.


I mean breakfast cereals arent of much importance to the story. Just kidding. Nice catch.

She is binsexual (terrible pun. I know), I know more than one woman that is ok with having sex with women but do not find them appealing for a relationship.

I think the pimp falls in that category.

It is interesting isn't it?

The FV conversation (with Will) is on the prior wednesday.
Mia showing up with the 'special k' is the very...next...day....and the first time she calls it that name.
Sunday, Mia uses the term again.

The main problem here is that (as you're probably aware), the prof does a very good job of saying things and insinuating things without actually saying anything directly. All the signs point to Mia being a mole, but it's probably misdirection and a red herring. But it puts the thought into your head. Much like the Isaac timline, all the signs indicate something but the actual dialogue never backs it up.

It's like AI assuming Veronica is FV. She isn't, it's an actual physical impossibility as she cannot be in two places at once (and all the signs actually point to her being the Monster if you look deep enough). However, it takes some real effort to actually notice this. So one cannot discount this theory regarding Mia completely, and we have the Monster's warning.....but it's all a little too convenient don't you think...huge neon sign pointing to her.

However, still cannot discount the fact, neither her or Lacey have ever used this term before (that we see and K is mentioned a lot)...until Mia starts using it the day after FV does.....

Hah the AI was absolutely stumped when it came to understanding or guessing who TM or FV are.

I still hold a bit of hope that TM is MC himself, the chances are lower than low, but no one reads the messages other than MC, plus, MC at the beginning of the act says "when it will be my turn to be the monster in the relationship" (I can't access the scripts so it might be slightly different), also he is stated to be Isaac "monster".

So yeah, I am speculating over a very thin layer of info, and it is more what I would like to see than what it is in the material probably.

Uh, what are you implying with "special k"? That Mia is in cahoots with FV?

Well, there is always a big question, where did the pimp get several thousands of dollars worth of K, ok let's say she got it super cheap so she only spent hundreds, she still complains about not having money for a new bikini.

It is hard to reconcile these facts, maybe she spent too much on the K so she couldn't afford the bikini? But then her comment "I am not made of money" doesn't make much sense, I get that the pimp is not exactly the most accountable of characters, but if the money went into K, I would have expected a hint of regret at least.

I don't know, but everyone seems to have a rather easy access to K, so maybe FV found a way to supply the pimp? ,Also, where did all the K go???

We don't have enough info to answer any of this tbh.

 

[AL.d]

This place has gone utterly wild...so:

Anyone find it interesting that: The term 'special k' is only used three times in the whole VN?

The first time it is used is by FV.
The second time is used by Mia in ref to the kitchen scene
The third time is again by Mia when asking the succubus how much she took the day of the 'interview' (when watching the deep fake).

I've actually noticed that in my initial Mia is Monster theory. Would make sense if she is somehow involved with FV, who seems to have easy access to the drug, but plays the double agent. Could also explain her easily finding a bag full of it. Like that was one of FV's schemes and her nonsensical plan was just cover for her appearing to obey, hoping MC will stop it. But her also being one of the targets doesn't fit.

The difference between her wording and Lacey's, could be explained based on their introduction to the substance. Lacey got into it as anti-depressant and then transitioned to the drug. While Mia only knows the latter. Doubt dev went that deep in his character writing though, probably a coincidence.

 

[DeviantFun]

I've actually noticed that in my initial Mia is Monster theory. Would make sense if she is somehow involved with FV, who seems to have easy access to the drug, but plays the double agent. Could also explain her easily finding a bag full of it. Like that was one of FV's schemes and her nonsensical plan was just cover for her appearing to obey, hoping MC will stop it. But her also being one of the targets doesn't fit.

The difference between her wording and Lacey's, could be explained based on their introduction to the substance. Lacey got into it as anti-depressant and then transitioned to the drug. While Mia only knows the latter. Doubt dev went that deep in his character writing though, probably a coincidence.

The wording makes sense seen in that context, clever.

As for the pimp being the monster, I have my doubts.
First of all TM and FV seem to be two opposing forces, and TM seem to not know who FV is.

And TM seem to have a lot of vision of the future, talking about dominos and slowing things down....

I might be blind here, I just can't see it.

 

[AL.d]

The wording makes sense seen in that context, clever.

As for the pimp being the monster, I have my doubts.
First of all TM and FV seem to be two opposing forces, and TM seem to not know who FV is.

And TM seem to have a lot of vision of the future, talking about dominos and slowing things down....

I might be blind here, I just can't see it.

I know they are opposing forces, that's why I said double agent. Whoever it is, it's obvious they have insider info about FV's plans. So they have to be somehow involved in them. But also want them to fail.

To me almost everything fits. Mia's dumb plan that she almost looked like she wanted it to fail. Was practically pointing at her bag during their meeting, but the ultimate wimp did nothing about it. And her finding K so easily. Would also make sense to think that the monster is the one providing info about the relationship to FV, for it to be used in the fake. Some of the things in there were very private. If it was Mia, she would know all of it.

As I said, what doesn't fit, is her being among the targets. If she was involved with them, I doubt they'd be targeting her.

 

[Lestrouduc]

As I said, what doesn't fit, is her being among the targets. If she was involved with them, I doubt they'd be targeting her.

That's exactly what I was saying to myself when I reread the script of Fv talking with Will.

 

[Maviarab]

It is hard to reconcile these facts, maybe she spent too much on the K so she couldn't afford the bikini? But then her comment "I am not made of money" doesn't make much sense, I get that the pimp is not exactly the most accountable of characters, but if the money went into K, I would have expected a hint of regret at least.

I don't know, but everyone seems to have a rather easy access to K, so maybe FV found a way to supply the pimp? ,Also, where did all the K go???

We don't have enough info to answer any of this tbh.

I can suggest two theories here (and I've questioned this time and time again).

1. Remember the Queen of Ket article? Assuming this is set on the west coast (which removes my tennis date/time of year issue) it would also tie in nicely with that article, that being, it seems to be absolutely rampant and easier to obtain than a bag of M&M's in real life over there. (there...being west coast USA).

2. The other theory is, it's all from the same batch left over from Isaac. The pimp kept it. It's where Lacey found it in the suitcase....it's where it came from for the Bastion incident....it's where it came from when she brought it around to 'chill the succubus out'. (though that still does not answer the old Q of...how the fuck did they afford that amount, Lacey says, she took triple in that time period she ever used before).

All this K...is apaprently just lost in the ether of time and plot contrivance. After the 'sweater' incident, it was disposed of....after Bastion...It was 'carefully disposed of'.....after the kitchen...it just 'vanishes'. There is no rpoof, anywhere, ever, of any of it being got rid of. Just twice on the succubus' words (and her word really means very fucking little in context) and then not even a conversation after the kitchen....

This after saying she has no dealer but as I have proved....between meeting the MC a year after the cliff cal...and getting married (a 5 week period), she admits falling off the wagon a 'few times'...so where did that Ket come from hmmmm? The damn stuff must be coming out of the mains water pipe there is so much of it.

I might be blind here, I just can't see it.

Mia is neither FV or the Monster.

 

[DeviantFun]

I can suggest two theories here (and I've questioned this time and time again).

1. Remember the Queen of Ket article? Assuming this is set on the west coast (which removes my tennis date/time of year issue) it would also tie in nicely with that article, that being, it seems to be absolutely rampant and easier to obtain than a bag of M&M's in real life over there. (there...being west coast USA).

I do, I often try to use my personal experience to make sense of things, but here it would be misplaced, makes sense.

2. The other theory is, it's all from the same batch left over from Isaac. The pimp kept it. It's where Lacey found it in the suitcase....it's where it came from for the Bastion incident....it's where it came from when she brought it around to 'chill the succubus out'. (though that still does not answer the old Q of...how the fuck did they afford that amount, Lacey says, she took triple in that time period she ever used before).

Didn't the bastion stuff came from the dark web?
I know we have our differences when it comes to trust Lacey, but this is where it is said to be coming from.

But I can see Lacey leaving the K behind, the pimp finding it in the suitcase and then decide not to throw it away, who knows when you need a second last "hurrah" (jk)

Yeah the old question on how Lacey fueled her addiction, I really wish it was through prostitution, it would put my mind at ease about the topic.

All this K...is apaprently just lost in the ether of time and plot contrivance. After the 'sweater' incident, it was disposed of....after Bastion...It was 'carefully disposed of'(and her words are, the stuff I brought back...so she brought it back to the city rather then dump it while away...)....after the kitchen...it just 'vanishes'. There is no rpoof, anywhere, ever, of any of it being got rid of. Just twice on the succubus' words (and her word really means very fucking little in context) and then not even a conversation after the kitchen....

This after saying she has no dealer but as I have proved....between meeting the MC a year after the cliff cal...and getting married, she admits falling off the wagon...so where did that Ket come from hmmmm? The damn stuff must be coming out of the mains water pipe there is so much of it.

Wait this I actually do not remember, did she state that she brought it home?
I already headcanoned that she bought it at the trip destination, she wouldn't take a flight with "enough K to kill herself" (why did she buy so much?), right?

Well during senior year I would expect her to get it from the same source she had before during freshman and sophomore (or only sophomore, depending which timeline you observe), when she was already in town I have no idea.

The pimp k vanishes, yes, very weird, and MC doesn't ask.

Mia is neither FV or the Monster.

I have the same feeling, she will be used by FV for sure at some point.
I can bet on it. (And lose haha)

 

[Maviarab]

Didn't the bastion stuff came from the dark web?

So she says....

I know we have our differences when it comes to trust Lacey, but this is where it is said to be coming from.

The succubus says a lot of things dude...even you can't argue that one lol. Most of it utter rubbish and lies. Why would she tell the truth here?

the pimp finding it in the suitcase and then decide not to throw it away, who knows when you need a second last "hurrah" (jk)

Exactly. See, this theory does kind of fit, especially with how she wasn't originally happy with Lacey going back to the city to be with the MC.

Wait this I actually do not remember, did she state that she brought it home?

No, was getting confused, I've amended my post. I got that wrong. She says 'stuff bought back east was carefully disposed of'. Again though, just her words.

I already headcanoned that she bought it at the trip destination, she wouldn't take a flight with "enough K to kill herself" (why did she buy so much?), right?

So, let's assume for a moment, leaving Wed is a dev mistake ok? (remember, the plan is the first night there she will get a room to herself so either leaving wed is wrong even though those are V's words - Wed to Sat originally, then a full week, or the dev made a mastake having Lacey do the stream the day after)). So she gets to the east coast (which is ahead of the west coast by 3 hours and they left in the afternoon iirc), they get to the hotel, check in, get unpacked, do whatever you do on a trip etc...get dinner...she goes to the bar...gets cold feet...then she somehow, mysteriously, in an hour or so....manages to find someone selling their old stash on the 'dark web'? Enough to kill a horse with. Really...because I find that a little difficult to swallow lol. She already bought the dress ahead of time....

Edit:

However, whilst it is never actually stated, if Lacey changed her plans to do it on the Thursday instead,, then I guess she would have a 'smidgen more time', though she'd have have to have found it again, on the Wed night as she just wouldn't have time on the Thursday, unless as I've said previously, she got very, very lucky, the guy was literally staying in the next hotel and he delivered it for her also. It's all far too contrived for my liking. She taking it with her (this is a domestic flight btw..so less restrictions than intl) makes far more sense...for me at least and fits within the context of the character she has been portrayed as up to that point.

 

[DeviantFun]

So she says....

The succubus says a lot of things dude...even you can't argue that one lol. Most of it utter rubbish and lies. Why would she tell the truth here?

Exactly. See, this theory does kind of fit, especially with how she wasn't originally happy with Lacey going back to the city to be with the MC.

No, was getting confused, I've amended my post. I got that wrong. She says 'stuff bought back east was carefully disposed of'. Again though, just her words.

So, let's assume for a moment, leaving Wed is a dev mistake ok? (remember, the plani is the first night there she will get a room to herself). So she gets to the east coast (which is ahead of the west coast by 3 hours and they left in the afternoon iirc), they get to the hotel, check in, get unpacked, do whatever you do on a trip etc...get dinner...she goes to the bar...gets cold feet...then she somehow, mysteriously, in an hour or so....manages to find someone selling their old stash on the 'dark web'? Enough to kill a horse with.

Really...because I find that a little difficult to swallow lol. She already bought the dress ahead of time....

The theory of the K being "old" from college times is quite compelling, yes.

And now that you make me question it, she was having cold feet way before the trip, so it makes sense that she would already know how to deal with it.
Which is how it is presented in game btw.

But getting on a plane with drugs is a big one, I mean, we are talking about a considerable amount, I doubt the condom stuffed with coffee (let's not discuss where it het stuffed afterwards) would have worked here.

Maybe the author didn't think this through.

 

[Maviarab]

But getting on a plane with drugs is a big one, I mean, we are talking about a considerable amount, I doubt the condom stuffed with coffee (let's not discuss where it het stuffed afterwards) would have worked here.

Maybe the author didn't think this through.

That is the only issue yes. While a domestic flight is far less scrutinised than an international one...this is the major flaw in my theory here. And yes, it is a big flaw. As you say, maybe it was just glossed over. However, I will concede, it's just as easy to gloss over all the contrivances (I made an edit to my previous post btw) in how she managed to find such a large stash in such a short period of time and conveniently close by to where they were staying (and had the person deliver it too), even if this was all done the previous evening (Wednesday, they day they got there).

If you look at both objectively and from distance, one is easier to flippantly dismiss than (all) the others (for me at least). Again it is one of those things that ultimately, is not terribly important in the scheme of things and we will most likely never find out anyway (as we say, the event has come and gone and that's it...never to be dealt with again).

It is an interesting point to ponder over though for me. Like said, she was having doubts, Mia/Anna telling her not to do it...she already bought the dress...it's not beyond the realms of possibility she pre-thought/planned this ahead of time (making the 'I suddenly realised' crap less believable).

 

[AL.d]

The theory of the K being "old" from college times is quite compelling, yes.

And now that you make me question it, she was having cold feet way before the trip, so it makes sense that she would already know how to deal with it.
Which is how it is presented in game btw.

But getting on a plane with drugs is a big one, I mean, we are talking about a considerable amount, I doubt the condom stuffed with coffee (let's not discuss where it het stuffed afterwards) would have worked here.

Maybe the author didn't think this through.

The way they suddenly find crazy amounts of drugs, is what initially led me to the Mia is monster/somehow involved with FV theory.

You don't just buy a bag full of dust. No dealer will sell you that amount. What Mia was carrying around, could only be justified for people involved in drug trade. Not a casual user.

But as most things, the dev not thinking this shit through is the most likely answer.

 

[anongamer1983]

For anyone not subscribed to the Patreon, it had a Post today that was good news (for me)! It currently looks like I was too pessimistic in my guesstimates for release windows! (DeviantFun can kick me).

My new guesstimate based on the post for when Act 3 will be released is going to be late October!

 

[Maviarab]

For anyone not subscribed to the Patreon, it had a Post today that was good news (for me)! It currently looks like I was too pessimistic in my guesstimates for release windows! (DeviantFun can kick me).

My new guesstimate based on the post for when Act 3 will be released is going to be late October!

That's not too bad then. We've starting going round in circles currently, we need more bash Lacey material lmao

I'm kidding I'm kidding...

 

[Diosvincenccio]

My new guesstimate based on the post for when Act 3 will be released is going to be late October!

Im still a little pesimist about it, or im giving the dev some time to rest between releases. My bet, ending of November early December.

And I hope that you are right and we get it earlier than i though.

 

[anongamer1983]

That's not too bad then. We've starting going round in circles currently, we need more bash Lacey material lmao

I'm kidding I'm kidding...

XD If my speculations hold, then hopefully Lacey will actually be working towards being a decent wife from now on, with only bad actions/endings resulting in her making major mistakes (Like if MC doesn't stop someone from offering his drug addict wife drugs and saying 'I'll just see what happens'). But we will see. Regardless, I'm excited to see what direction Act 3 takes us in!