VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[Doomly]

Edit: I just thought of one aspect, Jared has been somewhat neutered, but he still holds a lot of dirt on people, especially Veronica.

What is stopping him from.using it or selling the info?
Bella? He could easily circumvent her and send the info to Vindrelli, you know, in a "Let Samson die with all the Philistines" situation.

I have been pondering this also. He could easily show up again as the annoying persistant antagonist, or at least involved in some way. He has motive for revenge. he knows about lacey's ketamine use. and he has all the same dirt on everyone as he did earlier in the story. was a drug dealer in college and likely has access to all the drugs he wants yet (the lacey parties she attended when trying to get the fake job were mentioned to be filled with booze, drugs, and strippers) . In fact the video bella made to get back at him could be used by him as blackmail on her if he threatened to release it on the net (she is from a prominant family, would look really bad).

He lost his job, barty's company has had "some new employees in the last month" as the monster states. Hell he even may fit the earlier thing i mentioned about the FV never actually stating they wanted to have sex with the 'special k' girls. It could go along with his recently discovered cuck fetish (if the conversation with bella on the phone is true).

Not saying any of this is fact, just stating it wouldn't that out of question if he was involved in some way.

 

[conho]

Any of that fan page picture or gif we put under our coments here? I don't know how its called...

 

[Diosvincenccio]

Any of that fan page picture or gif we put under our coments here? I don't know how its called...

Not sure what you mean. The signatures? If its that look in your profiles settings.

 

[DeviantFun]

I have been pondering this also. He could easily show up again as the annoying persistant antagonist, or at least involved in some way. He has motive for revenge. he knows about lacey's ketamine use. and he has all the same dirt on everyone as he did earlier in the story. was a drug dealer in college and likely has access to all the drugs he wants yet (the lacey parties she attended when trying to get the fake job were mentioned to be filled with booze, drugs, and strippers) . In fact the video bella made to get back at him could be used by him as blackmail on her if he threatened to release it on the net (she is from a prominant family, would look really bad).

He lost his job, barty's company has had "some new employees in the last month" as the monster states. Hell he even may fit the earlier thing i mentioned about the FV never actually stating they wanted to have sex with the 'special k' girls. It could go along with his recently discovered cuck fetish (if the conversation with bella on the phone is true).

Not saying any of this is fact, just stating it wouldn't that out of question if he was involved in some way.

I get what you mean, we are in speculation zone, but it seems that the financial hold Bella has on him is quite strong "in universe".

The message we got is that he wouldn't dare do anything, Bella kept her actions hidden from MC (probably to avoid more writing) but the effect of those are clear.

At some point I even pondered if Jared was the monster, but how he referred to Christine didn't fit.

So yeah he might have ammunition, but he doesn't have a gun anymore or the gun would nake too much noise and give away his position.
He is relegated to cuck duty it seems.

And we have no indication that Bella is not trustworthy.

Since we are speculating I am still holding on to my MC is TM theory, and when he talk about the "worst nightmare knocking at my door" he is talking about winnifred or whatever her name is.
But I know this "theory" it is my own fever dream....it just fits so well in my mind (not so much in the story).

 

[Doomly]

I get what you mean, we are in speculation zone, but it seems that the financial hold Bella has on him is quite strong "in universe".

The message we got is that he wouldn't dare do anything, Bella kept her actions hidden from MC (probably to avoid more writing) but the effect of those are clear.

At some point I even pondered if Jared was the monster, but how he referred to Christine didn't fit.

So yeah he might have ammunition, but he doesn't have a gun anymore or the gun would nake too much noise and give away his position.
He is relegated to cuck duty it seems.

And we have no indication that Bella is not trustworthy.

Since we are speculating I am still holding on to my MC is TM theory, and when he talk about the "worst nightmare knocking at my door" he is talking about winnifred or whatever her name is.
But I know this "theory" it is my own fever dream....it just fits so well in my mind (not so much in the story).

Speaking of winifred.....i have been pouring over all the monster conversations the last few days and have been writing down observations about the monsters wording and things in the story connected to what he/she says. I may make a long post about my observations in the next day or two.

But....at the end of the third monster conversation, the one where the monster scolds the MC for not stopping mia's plan like he was supposed to, the monster mentions that "my problem just knocked on my door". Later that day, after isaac shows up and goes to lunch and the MC talks to jeanette after, winifred introduces lorenzo....her new employee.

Not sure if it means anything, could be a misdirect for sure. Just an interesting observation i am not sure anyone here picked up on yet.

 

[DeviantFun]

Speaking of winifred.....i have been pouring over all the monster conversations the last few days and have been writing down observations about the monsters wording and things in the story connected to what he/she says. I may make a long post about my observations in the next day or two.

But....at the end of the third monster conversation, the one where the monster scolds the MC for not stopping mia's plan like he was supposed to, the monster mentions that "my problem just knocked on my door". Later that day, after isaac shows up and goes to lunch and the MC talks to jeanette after, winifred introduces lorenzo....her new employee.

Not sure if it means anything, could be a misdirect for sure. Just an interesting observation i am not sure anyone here picked up on yet.

you know? I am convinced 100% now and it is my new favourite theory.

I briefly entertained the idea that she was somewhat involved in something (why have her in the story then?), such as the Lorenzo hiring being weird, but I couldn't find enough connections.

So her inability with computers is all a hoax and she is actually a super hacker pulling the strings, I love it hahaha.

Still makes me wonder how she would be so informed about MC life and Barty's new employees, but there could be multiple explanations, her overhearing stuff in the office or seeing the Isaac video at the club and then doing some reasearch, finding L website or videos of her around.

Good job man, this has made my day.

 

[anongamer1983]

I guess i explained it wrongly. I see it as a sort of missplaced anger that is directed against the MC. Along diferent versions of "How could he let it happen?" and "Why did he not do more?" that change depending on the situation. Just diverting the anger and blame to her "guardian protector and hero" for what happened to her, a coping mechanism.

At childhood, where this other side is created.
She cant understand why it happened to her, so she subconciosly searches someone to take the blame. And who is there? MC. A why he did not do more? is created, even if her logical side finds it irrational to think that. But she did not understood to what extends Mc did go until the 243 rules convo.

After prom and the start of college.
She had this idea that she could go on her own and fix herself. Instead she ended as a loner and using drugs. Even if she knows that it was her own decision to cut MC out of her life "for the moment". Subconciosly she could still think that MC should not let her go and kept her at his side.

After Mia and the drug and sex spiral.
Things got dark for her, and she knows it was on her own decisions. Influenced by others or not she is still the one that acted, she is the one acountable for allowing those bad choices. So again the subconscious seeks a way for her to feel better. Its not really my fault, if he were had come here to save and guide me, i would never had done all this, by not being here he allowed it. He has protected me in the past and so far, so if it happened is because he failed.


We know that the MC acted to the extend to his posibilities to save and protect her during all the game. In her rational mind she knows too even if she didnt know how he did it in some cases. Now think how he acted after the Jared blackmail, I finally saved you, etc... He is also blaming himself and thinking that he should have done more. If she were to reveal that she also, subconciosly, thinks that, even if she tells that she knows its irrational, it would be damn devastating for the MC.

Thats one of my takes on Lacey other side, that she irrationally blames the MC for not protecting her more, that she thinks that somewhat he failed as a hero and protector, that he did not protect her even against herself. That she blames him even when knowing she shouldnt.

This is almost my exact thoughts for one of the possibilities for her other side!

 

[duckydoodoo]

However, the wording she uses (and perceived fear), it is obviously something that will completely and utterly break the MC and the marriage. So, given what she has already done, what we have already seen, it has to be pretty fucking grim imo.

dont disagree with any of that. just want to point out, if the MC found out Lacey was a sober willing porn star during the year after his intended cliff jump, that would undermine everything Mia and Lacey have told him thus far. it potentially could break the MC. based on his personality, it would not be unlikely for him to decide that she loved doing porn, wants to fuck tons of other people and every comment she has made about her K and the colleges happy sock role playing years would be contradicted with that view. not that it would necessarily be true, but MC's perception is more important than the truth at this point, because no one has actually given anyone the full truth. i mean this is one of the only games where the dev uses mind fuckery directed more at the players than the MC and characters. and in real life, what a person percieves, how they feel treated has the largest impact to their choices in life. the truth just helps us move on and accept the paths weve taken for right or wrong. but i dont think professional and intentional porn while sober is the big secret.

in fact i only now considered the most painful secret Lacey could be keeping from MC... imagine if she was married before she proposed to MC. wait for it, aveerage uncontested divorce in most US states is 6 months from time of filing, took her a year roughly(not using straight facts but general events here so bare with small mistakes) from cliff til she showed up at his door, and she arrived already with a job locally. timeline checks out. and now they are on their way to vegas for a honeymoon(sorta) they never had. lets say all drunk having fun in order to fix things, someone says lets go to the wedding hall and you guys can have an elvis wedding then really make this trip a honeymoon. there waiting for the vegas wedding to start on the wall are wedding photos of many drunk happy couples that have been there in the past, and we find a beautiful photo with a beautiful bride, Lacey.

i know all speculation, specially the elvis wedding, but it makes so much sense. why else are they doing to vegas. MC is not a social guy, nothing about his character says Im gonna go to cirque show, hit the shark aquarium, see some tigers and put it all on black while stumbling along the strip with a footlong hurricane, then hit the foundation room for a burboun and night city view before the concert in the house blues at mandalay bay, followed by bottle service at the ice bar and some dancing. MC also, does not look like a slot machine fan, too smart to count cards in vegas at blackjack, doesnt have the temper for texas hold em all night. MC is not a Vegas guy. if the MC was trying to be romantic and or fix his marriage, his late honeymoon would be somewhere that was warm and inviting, adventure on the scale of horseback riding on the beach followed by candle dinner watching the sunset. things that create a desire of closeness to your partner. Vegas is literally lovingly referred to as the city of sin. dev is not sending them there for anything good to happen. so what worse thing can happen then a brutal truth being shoved in the MCs face without Lacey actually having to fuck up again, just exists. which as we know after act 1, that is her new normal cause ntr is out. her fuck ups are now all truths unveiled by circumstance and ex's being shoved into MCs face proving she lied, misled and or manipulated again.


man i went way too long here sorry. was really having fun with the elvis wedding plot prediction...

edit-- or we are all really off and Lacey's other side or lets call it her "other half" is her actual other half. whether a previous marriage partner or MC hulked out in ptsd fugue state. either version would destroy MC, one cause ultimate betrayal the other to protect her from him becoming her abuser, after all protecting her from abuse is what drives his entire life. he would be utterly destroyed in every way to find out her abused her, and there is no way he would allow himself to ever do it again, which means marriage over, if he doesnt just kill himself outright.

 

[AL.d]

I get what you mean, we are in speculation zone, but it seems that the financial hold Bella has on him is quite strong "in universe".

The message we got is that he wouldn't dare do anything, Bella kept her actions hidden from MC (probably to avoid more writing) but the effect of those are clear.

At some point I even pondered if Jared was the monster, but how he referred to Christine didn't fit.

So yeah he might have ammunition, but he doesn't have a gun anymore or the gun would nake too much noise and give away his position.
He is relegated to cuck duty it seems.

And we have no indication that Bella is not trustworthy.

Since we are speculating I am still holding on to my MC is TM theory, and when he talk about the "worst nightmare knocking at my door" he is talking about winnifred or whatever her name is.
But I know this "theory" it is my own fever dream....it just fits so well in my mind (not so much in the story).

Jared is done. Dev even hit him with the martian cuck ray (and he didn't even have MC's pre-disposition), to send the message loud and clear. Could only see him in call or something, to give some spice in a netori scene with Bella.

 

[Darmokhisarmswide]

i know all speculation, specially the elvis wedding, but it makes so much sense. why else are they doing to vegas.

There are also the AVN Awards in Las Vegas

whether a previous marriage partner or MC hulked out in ptsd fugue state. either version would destroy MC, one cause ultimate betrayal the other to protect her from him becoming her abuser, after all protecting her from abuse is what drives his entire life.

the tought of the MC being the abuser is dark, but an interesting theory

 

[Maviarab]

Speaking of winifred.....i have been pouring over all the monster conversations the last few days and have been writing down observations about the monsters wording and things in the story connected to what he/she says. I may make a long post about my observations in the next day or two.

But....at the end of the third monster conversation, the one where the monster scolds the MC for not stopping mia's plan like he was supposed to, the monster mentions that "my problem just knocked on my door". Later that day, after isaac shows up and goes to lunch and the MC talks to jeanette after, winifred introduces lorenzo....her new employee.

Not sure if it means anything, could be a misdirect for sure. Just an interesting observation i am not sure anyone here picked up on yet.

Only issue with this is that she knows who Christine is and how would she know about Mia?

She is also in HR, Lorenzo is in accounting. He doesn't work for her

Interesting out of the box theory though, I'm not against it.

 

[DeviantFun]

Jared is done. Dev even hit him with the martian cuck ray (and he didn't even have MC's pre-disposition), to send the message loud and clear. Could only see him in call or something, to give some spice in a netori scene with Bella.

I know I know, I was just wondering why he did not go scorched earth, or simply kept some pawns in his hands even only to gain recommendations somewhere else,.

He could have squeezed Veronica's tits....I mean wallet...

He is definitely relegated to cuck duty as I said.

Only issue with this is that she knows who Christine is and how would she know about Mia?

She is also in HR, Lorenzo is in accounting. He doesn't work for her

Interesting out of the box theory though, I'm not against it.

Well, I don't want to sound rude, but as an exec I don't know all the names, especially interns.
This is not out of spite or anything, it is just that you don't have time to do it and they come and go.
I do make an effort toblearn them, I doubt old winnie does.

She could have learned about the pimp from Jeanette or Christine.
Or even by spying on MC a bit, if TM is her, she knows a lot of stuff.
Every time TM says I am watching you, isn't he at work?
damn I wish I had the game files with me!!

I will replay tonight, I did think she was in accounting.

 

[Maviarab]

I know I know, I was just wondering why he did not go scorched earth, or simply kept some pawns in his hands even only to gain recommendations somewhere else,.

He could have squeezed Veronica's tits....I mean wallet...

He is definitely relegated to cuck duty as I said.



Well, I don't want to sound rude, but as an exec I don't know all the names, especially interns.
This is not out of spite or anything, it is just that you don't have time to do it and they come and go.
I do make an effort toblearn them, I doubt old winnie does.

She could have learned about the pimp from Jeanette or Christine.
Or even by spying on MC a bit, if TM is her, she knows a lot of stuff.
Every time TM says I am watching you, isn't he at work?
damn I wish I had the game files with me!!

I will replay tonight, I did think she was in accounting.

Yeah I could be mistaken and can't check myself at the moment either for a couple of hours.

As for watching ..only once I think iirc

 

[Diosvincenccio]

I will replay tonight, I did think she was in accounting.

Winifred works in accounting thats for sure, in fact she is the head of the departament. And MC considers her his work nemesis.

 

[DeviantFun]

Winifred works in accounting thats for sure. And MC considers her his nemesis.

AH-HA! THEORY CONFIRMED!

Yeah he was complaining about accounting in act 1 too, and made Christine work for accoutung in her solo project.

 

[Maviarab]

Winifred works in accounting thats for sure, in fact she is the head of the departament. And MC considers her his work nemesis.

AH-HA! THEORY CONFIRMED!

Yeah he was complaining about accounting in act 1 too, and made Christine work for accoutung in her solo project.

While parts of this do fit....ie things like how they could easily and so quickly know about going away for the weekend...the 'meeting' they were going to...their 'problem' etc...

It still leaves holes though. She does know who Christine is (and that office/dept of Electro is not huge, hundreds of employees that we are aware of)....only Anna knew exactly what Mia's plan was, none of the rest of the crew did, but the Monster seems to also know exactly what Mia was doing. I asked how she knew about Mia, yes could have come from Christine/Jeanette but how would know she know about the drugs? Sure, Jeanette may have mentioned in passing to Christine about her 'plan'....it's still messy and trying to make it fit though imo.

The theory still holds some water admittedly, but it's not neat and tidy with the information we have to hand.

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As for Jared, it's a non-starter guys. Monster states few new employees started in the last month. The monster does not know who they are and is 'looking into them'. If it was anyone we already knew/worked with etc....surely they would know this information already (or anyone who worked with our 'slut of a wife' etc). So again, with things they don't know/are not aware of which seems like they should know...they either genuinly don't know or they are very being extremely economical with the truth for whatever reason. It also really does beg the question, what's her/the monsters motive? Surely not just feels sorry for us and we started with a stacked deck? Has to be more to it (like how do they even come to be aware of all our issues in the first place)?

 

[DeviantFun]

While parts of this do fit....ie things like how they could easily and so quickly know about going away for the weekend...the 'meeting' they were going to...their 'problem' etc...

It still leaves holes though. She does know who Christine is (and that office/dept of Electro is not huge, hundreds of employees that we are aware of)....only Anna knew exactly what Mia's plan was, none of the rest of the crew did, but the Monster seems to also know exactly what Mia was doing. I asked how she knew about Mia, yes could have come from Christine/Jeanette but how would know she know about the drugs? Sure, Jeanette may have mentioned in passing to Christine about her 'plan'....it's still messy and trying to make it fit though imo.

The theory still holds some water admittedly, but it's not neat and tidy with the information we have to hand.

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As for Jared, it's a non-starter guys. Monster states few new employees started in the last month. The monster does not know who they are and is 'looking into them'. If it was anyone we already knew/worked with etc....surely they would know this information already (or anyone who worked with our 'slut of a wife' etc). So again, with things they don't know/are not aware of which seems like they should know...they either genuinly don't know or they are very being extremely economical with the truth for whatever reason. It also really does beg the question, what's her/the monsters motive? Surely not just feels sorry for us and we started with a stacked deck? Has to be more to it (like how do they even come to be aware of all our issues in the first place)?

None of the crew besides Anna knew about the pimp's plan, this does throw a bit of wrench in the theory, but the monster seems to be ahead of the curve, like when they warn MC about the video.
She could have observed the meetings or the crew or whatever.

If Winnie is a skilled hacker or had contacts in the city, she could be able to do it, hiding herself in plain sight as a silly goose about computers.
The thing that makes me think that it is a disguise now, is how much her lack of skills is underlined.

I don't know, as much as I dislike the spy story angle, this would be silly enough to make me smile.

As for Jared, yes he is out 100%, I have been saying this for a long time, my question was more philosophical in nature, why didn't he go scor he earth? Why didn't he use some of the BM power in his hands?

I know we are told Bella got him on a leash, I know he is now asking to be cucked (weird), it just seems very incomplete.

It is what it is.

 

[Maviarab]

As for Jared, yes he is out 100%, I have been saying this for a long time, my question was more philosophical in nature, why didn't he go scor he earth? Why didn't he use some of the BM power in his hands?

I know we are told Bella got him on a leash, I know he is now asking to be cucked (weird), it just seems very incomplete.

I think this is more (for whataver dumb reasons but then hey, Mc stays with Lacey...how many women do you know stay with a guy they shouldn't?) in that Bella has decided to keep the relation going.

I believe Jared is literally nothing without her. He has no money. So now, also has no career either and is unlikely to ever have one again (not like Brimley are going to give a glowing ref lol). I just see it as Bella saying I'll stay with you, upper class nobility values and comittments etc...but if he doesnlt destroy whatever info he has on whoever, in front of her, she will cut him off and leave and he will literally be less than a bum on the streets (also imagine the threat of being suewd literally out of oblivion by the family lawyer is looms). He's lost everything...so just grasping at keeping what little he still has.

I jsut take it/accept that threat alone is enough for him to bend the knee so to speak (along with his new found kinks lol).

 

[Maviarab]

Any of that fan page picture or gif we put under our coments here? I don't know how its called...

There are no 'official/fan made' banners for this VN with the exception of the one I made myself (for myself), currently in my sig. Feel free to use it if you wish.

If there is actual demand for sig banners for this, I'd be happy to make some, though, given half the cast are terrible human beings, I'd not sure which characters to use hahahaha. Happy to make a few though if people would like them.

 

[Doomly]

One thing i want to point out about the monster. There is no solid evidence in the monsters conversations that they know about the girls sharing plan, just that mia had a plan and it involved drugs. The monster certainly has knowledge of FV's plans to make the 'special k girls' website and that name alone suggests that FV's plan is to get them on drugs in some way.

Now this is my speculation, not saying there is enough evidence to state it as true. Lacey being presented a backpack full of ketamine (which is unaccounted for currently in the story) certainly would qualify as "the first domino" the monster was refering to, and with lacey's admitted addiction struggles certainly could refer to the fact that even though mia's plan failed, it "successfully laid the groundwork" and "the latina girl inadvertantly knocked over the first piece on the board"

The monster knows alot about FV's plan, but most of what is stated by the monster is more in line with someone who is watching/spying on the group but not necessarily in the group (still exploring if there is a connection to the group)