VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[JEER0X]

This is the crux of it.

The fact that Isaac gets a whole ass redemption arc for being a cocky douche to MC once and visiting his ex, pretty much proves how the writer sees those college events. If the story considered those events differently, there is no way it would treat that character this way. His supposed offenses would be nothing compared to that and there would be no redemption whatsoever.

This is not something that can be shoved under the rug, it changes the story at its core. If no character is acknowledging the supposed mammoth in the room in any way, it's because for the story, there is no mammoth.

i still believe Isaac is plotting and not doing redemption some here think he's turning over a new leaf i think its just to get close to Lacey and eventually work into there relationship if it goes Open relationship route be it forced by lacey or not or even attempting to blackmail/trick Lacey/MC into something cause let's be honest they are both gullible

 

[AL.d]

i still believe Isaac is plotting and not doing redemption some here think he's turning over a new leaf i think its just to get close to Lacey and eventually work into there relationship if it goes Open relationship route be it forced by lacey or not or even attempting to blackmail/trick Lacey/MC into something cause let's be honest they are both gullible

I might be wrong but I think dev is truly going for redemption/friendly Isaac route. I got the vibe he wanted to subvert expectations for the bbc ntr villain trope.

 

[DeviantFun]

ugh i hate that last line you said but it is a game so i guess

This is stated plenty thorough the game, by her.

She planned her parties with specific things:

L "No. I didn't take requests."
L "Whatever I was doing that night, they could be a part of."

We also discover later that it wasn't always like that, but this is an undeniable truth.

This is the crux of it.

The fact that Isaac gets a whole ass redemption arc for being a cocky douche to MC once and visiting his ex, pretty much proves how the writer sees those college events. If the story considered those events differently, there is no way it would treat that character this way. His supposed offenses would be nothing compared to that and there would be no redemption whatsoever.

This is not something that can be shoved under the rug, it changes the story at its core. If no character is acknowledging the supposed mammoth in the room in any way, it's because for the story, there is no mammoth.

Come on Al, you know full well the author doesn't do consequences or aknowleges things.

Mia gets a free pass for EVERYTHING, so does Anna and Veronica.

Lacey gets a free pass for trying to seduce Jared for a job...and no one aknowledges it as a shitty behaviour, they talk about clothes or are supportive.

If the character is on the "good side" then the consequences disappear and everyone ignores whatever situation happened.

i still believe Isaac is plotting and not doing redemption some here think he's turning over a new leaf i think its just to get close to Lacey and eventually work into there relationship if it goes Open relationship route be it forced by lacey or not or even attempting to blackmail/trick Lacey/MC into something cause let's be honest they are both gullible

I might be wrong but I think dev is truly going for redemption/friendly Isaac route. I got the vibe he wanted to subvert expectations for the bbc ntr villain trope.

Yeah, as I said, unless we get a subvert the expectation scenario, Isaac has joined the good guys.

The hint that he is bi might as well be a clear message that something might happen in the future, hopefully not, but you know, why throwing that sort of info and then do nothing with it?

The objective could be to emasculate him further and make him more vulnerable to our eyes, but it could have been done without throwing a random sexuality coming out that really didn't fit with the whole discussion.

"I have all these problems of self worth you see, my father bla bla, my mother bla bla, OH BEFORE I FORGET! I might be interested in cocks!"

It was so so so tacked on.

 

[Scaron_the_one]

i still believe Isaac is plotting and not doing redemption some here think he's turning over a new leaf i think its just to get close to Lacey and eventually work into there relationship if it goes Open relationship route be it forced by lacey or not or even attempting to blackmail/trick Lacey/MC into something cause let's be honest they are both gullible

I thought about it, since the "I will let you live in my mansion basically for free". I mean the lair has cameras everywhere, he will be close to lacey, it will be a life saving act to run from the landlord and he gets to show them around and maybe visit sometimes (it would be bad if we declined.. He gave us a house way below market rate).. I think that either those actions are evil plot directed by himself or someone else influencing him and pulling the strings. Nevertheless, as others said Issac has significant spotlight and I think he will be part of the next big drama plot.

 

[DeviantFun]

I thought about it, since the "I will let you live in my mansion basically for free". I mean the lair has cameras everywhere, he will be close to lacey, it will be a life saving act to run from the landlord and he gets to show them around and maybe visit sometimes (it would be bad if we declined.. He gave us a house way below market rate).. I think that either those actions are evil plot directed by himself or someone else influencing him and pulling the strings. Nevertheless, as others said Issac has significant spotlight and I think he will be part of the next big drama plot.

What makes you think it was tied to someone else?

I understand the game is becoming more of a james bond movie, but if you read the material there is no indication Isaac is being forced or instructed.

In fact FV is completely oblivious about all of this and so is the monster, as they know MC is looking for a house but that is it, or are we expecting a third "secret operation" party coming in?

The offer is genuine, and the cameras will be used for a future plot point.

Accepting would be a lousy thing to do, but we know MC is not exactly a steadfast man or with much integrity, so he will accept in the end.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

If the story considered those events differently, there is no way it would treat that character this way. His supposed offenses would be nothing compared to that and there would be no redemption whatsoever.

This is not something that can be shoved under the rug, it changes the story at its core. If no character is acknowledging the supposed mammoth in the room in any way, it's because for the story, there is no mammoth.

In the eyes of the law, the phase 3 college dudes where she was so passed out that she could not consent even if she initially agreed, and Isaac which she admits to have consumed drugs in front of him and then had sex, all of those persons would be condemned as rapists.

Now Damian is another story. The consumption of the drugs is before meeting him so he is unaware, while the Actus Reus makes him a rapist as he did have sex with someone who is under the influence hence her consent is nulled and void. The lack of awarenes that she was drugged and lack of Mens Rea (the intent to commit the crime) combined with the fact that she took the drugs willingly and initiated the whole sexual interaction whould most likely make his case really favorable to him. Still, it would depend on a judge but reasonably favorable odds.

And lets be clear, the story and Dev ignore a lot of these things in favor of the narrative but it dosent mean that it didnt happen or that we are supposed to not see them either. Lacey lying to the altar for example, another thing that gets ignored, etc... The fact that the characters ignore the mammoth in the room dosent mean that its not there. It just means that either the Dev dosent know about such things or didnt have them under consideration, which are reasonable answers. But we see them, we see the tusks.

i still believe Isaac is plotting and not doing redemption

Welcome to the club.

The offer is genuine, and the cameras will be used for a future plot point.

They will leave a place where they are watched in 420p to go to one where they are whatched in 4k Ultra HD

 

[JEER0X]

This is stated plenty thorough the game, by her.

She planned her parties with specific things:

L "No. I didn't take requests."
L "Whatever I was doing that night, they could be a part of."

We also discover later that it wasn't always like that, but this is an undeniable truth.



Come on Al, you know full well the author doesn't do consequences or aknowleges things.

Mia gets a free pass for EVERYTHING, so does Anna and Veronica.

Lacey gets a free pass for trying to seduce Jared for a job...and no one aknowledges it as a shitty behaviour, they talk about clothes or are supportive.

If the character is on the "good side" then the consequences disappear and everyone ignores whatever situation happened.




Yeah, as I said, unless we get a subvert the expectation scenario, Isaac has joined the good guys.

The hint that he is bi might as well be a clear message that something might happen in the future, hopefully not, but you know, why throwing that sort of info and then do nothing with it?

The objective could be to emasculate him further and make him more vulnerable to our eyes, but it could have been done without throwing a random sexuality coming out that really didn't fit with the whole discussion.

"I have all these problems of self worth you see, my father bla bla, my mother bla bla, OH BEFORE I FORGET! I might be interested in cocks!"

It was so so so tacked on.

This is why the dev pisses me off so much, in all logic MC should still Hate Isaac he is his biggest issue ( pun intended ) yet he is beginning to be buddy buddy, yeah DeviantFun i know your gonna say that's the MC's power blah blah blah he forgives and befriends blah blah blah, how do u go from hating someone with a passion to lets work out together, have therapy together and hook me up with a house knowing there's camera's in there as well is another issue if he conveniently forgets i'm gonna be even madder, he just has to be upto something i just can't believe otherwise its just dumb.

Every time i think i escape this game for awhile i get a notification and i get riled up again lol

 

[Maviarab]

The offer is genuine, and the cameras will be used for a future plot point.

In the eyes of the law, the phase 3 college dudes where she was so passed out that she could not consent even if she initially agreed, and Isaac which she admits to have consumed drugs in front of him and then had sex, all of those persons would be condemned as rapists.

the story and Dev ignore a lot of these things in favor of the narrative

This is the major plot point really and something completely disregarded and glossed over with absolutely no relevence...from a suppsoed professional writer.

There are no laws in this universe (except when convenient - Evan). The reality is, as I have stated more than once and Dios states above, even if she consented before taking drugs, she is unable to afterwards and in pretty much every country around the world, she is raped. It's not even a debate. No one cares however or even brings it up.

In the 'real world'....the minute the girls lawyer who was threatening Isaac found out she had been recorded, without consent, they would be all over his ass, it would hit the news and he'd be out of the NFL. Something else, a serious breach of real laws with serious consequences...is just hand-waived away with absolutely no significance whatsoever. In this instance, any lawyer would have a godamn field day with it....but nothing...

It's a joke in all honesty from someone trying to create a 'serious' story that so much is washed away without a single thought.

 

[AL.d]

Come on Al, you know full well the author doesn't do consequences or aknowleges things.

Mia gets a free pass for EVERYTHING, so does Anna and Veronica.

Lacey gets a free pass for trying to seduce Jared for a job...and no one aknowledges it as a shitty behaviour, they talk about clothes or are supportive.

If the character is on the "good side" then the consequences disappear and everyone ignores whatever situation happened.

Of course it happens all the time. The other day we were talking about dev likely not seeing Anna's actions the way most players do.

But this is a bit different case than most, because it goes beyond narrative convenience. Like not acknowledging obvious cheating or even questioning a brain damage claim that is clearly shown to be false, because it would screw with the plot direction.

It's something that would fundamentally transform the story and its characters into something else entirely. We would be literally playing as a villain surrounded by a cast of victim blaming enablers. It would be the kind of story you write if you somehow want a platform's policing spotlight on your game. This is why I'm far more certain this is not how dev sees those events compared to say, the vagueness in Jared's arc or Anna's portrayal.

In the eyes of the law, the phase 3 college dudes where she was so passed out that she could not consent even if she initially agreed, and Isaac which she admits to have consumed drugs in front of him and then had sex, all of those persons would be condemned as rapists.

Now Damian is another story. The consumption of the drugs is before meeting him so he is unaware, while the Actus Reus makes him a rapist as he did have sex with someone who is under the influence hence her consent is nulled and void. The lack of awarenes that she was drugged and lack of Mens Rea (the intent to commit the crime) combined with the fact that she took the drugs willingly and initiated the whole sexual interaction whould most likely make his case really favorable to him. Still, it would depend on a judge but reasonably favorable odds.

And lets be clear, the story and Dev ignore a lot of these things in favor of the narrative but it dosent mean that it didnt happen or that we are supposed to not see them either. Lacey lying to the altar for example, another thing that gets ignored, etc... The fact that the characters ignore the mammoth in the room dosent mean that its not there. It just means that either the Dev dosent know about such things or didnt have them under consideration, which are reasonable answers.

Nothing about those RL legal standards you are mentioning is false, you are 100% right. It's just that the game isn't using them. Because that's not the story it tries to tell, so it's not interested in them. I'd go even further and say that more than 50% of the sex scenes we see in games on here, would fall under some form of SA if legal standards were applied....And pretty much 100% of sex scenes in adult fiction written in books aimed for female readers

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In my reply to DF I mention why I consider this to be different from other things dev gets to shove under the rug. And to add to that, those other things do get some acknowledgment even if it has zero consequence. MC does mention her lying in order to make him marry her. We do see Anna intentionally written as a cold, remorseless bitch in Mia's drug plan, that may allude to some parts of her character explaining all the things the game didn't aknwoledge. Jared cheating is shoved under the rug, but MC is shown to have doubts about the truth of Mia's and Lacey's claims. We just don't get the payoff, presumably because dev hasn't figured out a way to do it without a game over screen...

 

[DeviantFun]

This is the major plot point really and something completely disregarded and glossed over with absolutely no relevence...from a suppsoed professional writer.

There are no laws in this universe. The reality is, as I have stated more than once and Dios states above, even if she consented before taking drugs, she is unable to afterwards and in pretty much every country around the world, she is raped. It's not even a debate. No one cares however or even brings it up.

In the 'real world'....the minute the girls lawyer who was threatening Isaac found out she had been recorded, without consent, they would be all over his ass, it would hit the news and he'd be out of the NFL. Something else, a serious breach of real laws with serious consequences...is just hand-waived away with absolutely no significance whatsoever. In this instance, any lawyer would have a godamn field day with it....but nothing...

It's a joke in all honesty from someone trying to create a 'serious' story that so much is washed away without a single thought.

You know, I am not sure, I think it depends on the country, you can record in public spaces and you can definitely record in your own home over here.

Again the fuck under drug use reflects morally on the guys and Mia than on Lacey, she was still willing and planned her actions.
Due to this, I would not considering anyone willingly committing the crime, but morally I can't help myself from judging them harshly.

Anyway, lets drop the legalese and go back to finding out how awful the pimp and the banshee are, or maybe the leet hacker skills of Winne .

edit for clarity and avoiding post number 1000000:
Maviarab Diosvincenccio
When I speak of recording I do not mean the sexual act, the only thing that is recorded specifically in the material is the CONSENT not the SEX, so I went with that.

You made me look bad I know full well you can't make secret sex tapes

 

[Maviarab]

You know, I am not sure, I think it depends on the country, you can record in public spaces and you can definitely record in your own home over here.

I'm sure. It's a major voilation of privacy when a sexual act. The fact it's also been saved....her lawyer would go to town on his ass. He doesn't have enough money to keep her quiet (especially given what could and would be disclosed about his kinks etc).

Edit for DF: I'm pretty sure it's not remote controlled, voice activated, or that Isaac said hold up sweet cheeks, let me just stop the recording lol. So I wonder, exactly over the last 2 years how many women he has digitised copies of fucking him? What a can of worms....

Anyway, lets drop the legalese and go back to finding out how awful the pimp and the banshee are, or maybe the leet hacker skills of Winne

Sure.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

We just don't get the payoff, presumably because dev hasn't figured out a way to do it without a game over screen...

I admit thats probably right, Dev pushed Lacey to make so much crazy on Act1. Maybe thinking it was a one act only and now it dosent really know how to get out of the hole he himself digged.

I'd go even further and say that more than 50% of the sex scenes we see in games on here, would fall under some form of SA if legal standards were applied

I mean, im not gonna presume the laws of fantasy worlds or anything like that, if we compare the scenes over our own laws, you probably are right, but Love & jealosy setting is the same as the real world, so real world laws in this case USA laws should apply. Unless the Dev goes and says that all is happening in some kind of alternative reality...

So Damian knew as much as any drunk/high college bro looking for a fuck.

Dont see how, on phase 3 college images showed by Mia, she is clearly fucked up in most of them, and is even mentioned that she was quite unresponsive so they knew something wrong was happening with her. With Damian instead she is coherent and functional, no real reason to suspect that she was under the influence of drugs.

In fact the only real symptom of the usage is shown way later when she wakes up without knowing what she did (or at least she says she didnt know)

Believe me, the excuse i didnt know she was high/drunk aint a good defence (usually), but on the Damian case it would have a good chance of working.

you can record in public spaces and you can definitely record in your own home over here

It goes by country but mostly correct, until you record a sexual act, in your house or not it requires the agreement of both parts. It would protect him from a rape/sa acusation but would open him to the charge of violation of privacy and criminal voyeurism, which could land him in the sex offenders list at minimum.

DeviantFun
Saw now your edit, as long as no sexual act is recorded, only the agreement to the act itself, then yes, its legal in most of the world and for a famous person a smart thing to do, while it wont completely protect him as someone can change or retire the consent during the act, it would show an initial agreement to it.



And yeah, im all for it, enough lawyering for a day. So im not talking about this for a good while.

 

[Saphfire]

Well, now i know where Jared got the videos from. You will need to read the new vn he released today.
He said it will be released here in some days.

 

[Maviarab]

Well, now i know where Jared got the videos from. You will need to read the new vn he released today.
He said it will be released here in some days.

Connected VN's or you having a laugh?

 

[Saphfire]

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[Maviarab]

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Thanks....sounds ...interesting ....

 

[Diosvincenccio]

now i know where Jared got the videos from. You will need to read the new vn he released today.

Spoiler me, please, are Lacey videos shown or mentioned in the new novel?, are the college videos that got to the net and are rated? was Lacey one of the girls in the augusta home? If anything keep the answer in a spoiler or Dm me, in consideration of other users who would want to play the new novel and can wait for it.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

So, from a spoiler i got from the new game, both games happen in the same universe, and that means that supernatural things are now canon in the L&J universe(althrough probably are gonna keep completely separated), that just opens a lot of fun jokes...Just saying, all the nicknames like the succubus, or the banshee just turned a lot more possible

 

[mariorossi69cm]

I think we will find some scene of the past lacey in the new game. The Supernatural part is fine with the new game but I hope will remain in that story and not go in L&J even if they share the same universe.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

I think we will find some scene of the past lacey in the new game. The Supernatural part is fine with the new game but I hope will remain in that story and not go in L&J even if they share the same universe.

Well now that we know the supernatural is canon it open a lot of fun things, like poor Lacey may not be a complete fuck up maybe she was possesed by a succubus, and Mia may not be evil maybe...no, she still is evil by herself. Not even being a fucking demon in disguise would excuse or explain her actions.

But yeah, while its fun to make it a shared universe, the supernatural dosent have anything to do with L&J style, i hope that they stay separated even if they share the same universe.