VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[CrysusPariah2]

Now for a question.
I notice on the timeline during KW it mention Veronica going to her room for a "meeting". I wasn't sure what to think of that at the time. Does anyone think there was something more to that than a business meeting?

When Act 2 came out we were suspicious, that the exact time the little bitch video was uploaded and MC watched it, Veronica was absent, causing speculation whether she was the one ordered to upload it (in MC’s home with his computer) or just monitor his reaction from a different room, while he blows up at Lacey.

IIRC, she also wasn’t there for when MC reveals, that he is aware it’s a deepfake and apologises for getting angry

EDIT: if this theory holds any water, it could also explain why Veronica seems to be sabotaging Lacey with her questions during KW

 

[CrysusPariah2]

From a patreon post, probably before the winter holidays.

You are thinking European, not American.
Most likely meant Thanksgiving not Christmas

 

[Diosvincenccio]

I wouldn’t assign her difference in attitude to therapy or meds, but a temporary sign of contrition after MC fixed the drama from Act 1 and treading on eggshells because she sees how much worse MC is getting

Thats what i was saying, its a change so fast that it cant be completely assigned to therapy or meds... Sure, the meds and sessions are helping a little, but thats for a more long run kind of change, the conversations with Dianne and her contrition, as you say, are what is keeping her mostly on good behaviour for now.

To attribute it completely to meds and therapy, it would mean that she skipped all the process and reached the end benefits almost inmediately, things dosent work like that.

Anyway, it was just a way to explain why it wouldnt have worked, because i got the meaning of the post of Pugthulhu wrong. I didnt pick the sarcasm

 

[DeviantFun]

I just played through KW again and I did have a different impression going into it while not being mad at Anna and Mia.
My second impression was still that it was pretty fucked up.
I felt of Lacey as a victim of KW more the second time then I did the first time. Even the MC takes a dig at her with his question.

Lacey is definitely a bit of a "victim" in the KW, aside from Mia the other two do not look or sound like their normal selves.
But look at this:

L "Baby, I know some of these questions will make you feel certain emotions."
L "I want you to try real hard to remember who is in the room with you."
L "These are your girls and they all care about you."
L "So, try not to take anything we say very seriously."
L "All this is, is girl gossip."

Not so much of a victim here, she fully expect the questions to be hurtful, why? Why not keep it light? Why even play the game at all instead of a "bikini dancing competition" or whatever else could bring everyone mind as far as possible from bad emotions? Strip poker? Anything that doesn't involve MC having to think about your high mileage ass?

The girls meanwhile are really out of their mind, take the question from MC to Lacey, we can't excuse Veronica for "not knowing enough" anymore, why would all three push MC to give a hard question?
You touch on this topic later, so I will expand more there.

I still don't understand Veronica, it felt like she was trying to be Mia at the party. She references "those parties" on Mia's question and then Lacey's question and she picks the sexual fantasy.
I still thought it was bad, but the sexual fantasy question wasn't as bad as I remembered it. I had thought she mentioned Isaac by name the first time, but she didn't and that makes it a little better, but she still could have worded it differently to still get the fantasy across without making the MC think of Isaac. Keep in mind, at this time she doesn't realize that Isaac and MC have been having talks.

I don't understand her either, as I always say she is a career woman that probably had to navigate social situations often, her behaviour during the whole weekend is very clumsy and mean.

Both questions are bad here:

The parties should not have been in the conversation at all if you cared about MC, and as a question it doesn't bring understanding or interesting insight on Mia, why bring them up? You saw a PTSD episode just a week earlier.

The dark sexual fantasies are already tainted by the question itself: "you lead an interesting life" she says, why the fuck would you say that? Why would you bring that up at all? Why remind everyone in that moment?

The answer to the fantasies are alright, Lacey navigates them well and we already knew one anyway.

for MC's question to Lacey, I thought the build up for it was the meanest part. The question and answers weren't that bad and if he had said ok, I got one, and it's not that bad. favorite sex memory without me. The question itself sounds really bad, but Lacey's truths are:
1. When she realized she had overcome her fear of sex
2. The first time she made Mia proud of her.
Now the things she did to accomplish those were bad, but the reason why those were her favorite memories was actually pretty sweet.

The buildup is absolutely unhinged, all three of them turn into banshees:

M "You must bring your wife down a peg."
V "She was so sure about it that we decided to put our faith in you to shake her to the core."
A "A question so terrible that she'll hesitate to speak for the rest of the night."

These are just examples, and they do not seem "playful" to me, all three know the situation well by now, chill out.
Look at the subsequent dialogue:

M "Topple the queen Prince Valiant."
V "We believe in you."
A "We have a whole weekend to soothe your battle wounds."

Even Anna, that is actually VERY concerned and mild during the rest of the weekend becomes a "banshee" here, why? "Just give yourself another PTSD episode, we will take care of you later" does not seem a sound strategy nor particularly caring for a weekend that was supposed to be a prize, not a challenge.

I think here the author tried to look for shock value, which could be achieved by simply making the girls be more mild and pllayful (just using this part with mild modifications would work):

A "Lacey was quite insistent that you would not be able to come up with a question that would cause her to squirm."
V "She did boast that, more than once."
L "All I said was that you wouldn't come up with something that would make me squirm."
M "She is totally downplaying this."
A "She truly is."

And have MC DECIDE BY HIMSELF (agency, right? a daydream for our hero) that he wanted to really go deep, due to curiosity and showing "power" over her, her past and his reaction.
So you would not have 3 banshees wanting both Lacey and MC to feel bad, but 3 playful bikini hotties and a man that decided FOR HIMSELF that he wanted to face something or to remind Lacey that she is not forgiven, but he is in control.

It is fine for MC to have turmoil at this point, but damn does he look like a child here and so does the girls.

Mia was still bad. Not worse than I remember, but not better. I listened to her apology at the start and was glad she did it then she totally negated it by all her digs at Lacey. Her first question to Lacey about workplace crust backfired on her when Lacey had some nice answers to it. and then every chance she got she made a comment including on the MCs question about motorcycle/kiss on fair ride when Lacey finally didn't have to drink and Mia comes in "but remember that one time". WTF.

Mia as usual uses empty words, she is written like a selfish POS, and in any case, after all she's done, does anyone in their right mind think that a half assed apology can be enough?
Look at the dialogue before bed:

M "But when this is over, this doggy will turn into a kitty."
M "With claws."

Why? Why can't you just fuck the shut up and take your "punishment" (absolutely wasted potential by writing MC as a weak clown again)? Why can't we have some actual and meaningful regret?

With that out of the way, the workplace crush is a fine question, even though I never understood the concept of a workplace crush at all, it is a mild question overall, it is still not something I would discuss in front of my spouse knowing their inclination.
It could be used to show MC "growth" and Lacey transparency.

She obviously went to the deep end later, why ask about the dick naming? There is literally no sense in it and you know why? BECAUSE MIA TOLD US SHE KNOWS EVERYTHING UP TO HOW MC DICK TASTES!
Why would she assume Lacey didn't tell her? Granted, Lacey withheld the info about MC size (we discover this while MC is about to commit suicide and is missing from home, while Lacey and Mia happily discuss his and Isaac dicks), but why go in uncharted territory then? The only answer we can gather from the story and the character is that she is dumb and/or she doesn't give a fuck about anyone but herself.

Adding the motorcycle/fair comment towards the end of the 2nd game is just evil, there is no way around it, by this point Mia has seen the PTSD episode, has been chastized and has heard Lacey apoogize to MC about how the first game went.
There is no way a good natured character would do something like that, the filter excuse is absolutely stupid and make no sense because it simply translates as "I don't give a fuck about anyone but myself and how I feel".

But we should not forget that she STOLE naked pics of MC from Lacey's phone and made a replica dildo (as I often say, you need a cast for that not a picture) and....nobody reacts, everyone is ok with it.
This is so out of this world that I couldn't believe it, not even a comment from anyone, like this is something normal or even sexy.

So, the KW could have been used to show Mia start to redemption, having her apologetic and willing to atone, putting Lacey and especially MC first, she does the exact opposite and cements her position as the worst character in the game.
I do not joke when I say that Evan is morally superior to Mia, and if you take your time and check her actions and words you can't disagree.

Anna. I had a completely different view of Anna this time. I was so mad at her last time that I chose the worst choices for her and didn't absorb alot of her content. The second time around it felt like she felt pretty bad for going along with Mia's plan and her apology felt genuine. And when Veronica ask the fantasy question of Lacey Anna was suggesting stopping the game. Then in round 3 when she admitted that she didn't speak to Mia for a week after she found out about her lessons with the MC. All of her never have I ever's were mild. I was really mad at Anna the first time through and I do still think she was horrible in Act 2, but she was much better after the betrayal and I hope that she keeps her word to the MC and is loyal to him and Lacey. And her last Never have I ever question about making out at a movie. i almost feel that she knew MC and Lacey had done that and she said it to give them something they could drink together on.

Anna suffers from one important disease: her character is sacrificed to the story altar.
She is shown to act and talk in a specific way, until the story needs her to be the exact opposite.

You brought up the "one week punishment", lets explore that a bit.

She is not angry about the tone Mia used, just that she told MC.

"When I found out that Mia told [MCFirst] about Lacey's past, I didn't speak to her for an entire week"

We know she was angry about the tone from the coffee shop conversation in act 1, but her care about MC is SO LOW that a mere week of not talking and then running back crying is enough.
Sorry but this is nothing, it is an attitude reserved to a child or a teenager (most confrontations and actions in the game are a bit of teenage drama), if she cared about MC so much to the point of exploding at Lacey WHY wouldn't she do the same to Mia?
Because the story does not allow for it, Mia hurts MC constantly, never seen a grain of restribution from anyone aside from some mean words from Christine (which is now her best bud).

Even her apology to MC is very unapologetic: "I will apologize if it helps" is very condescending, dear Anna, you heard one of the worst plans ever that will hurt MC again and has the chance to be irreversible (what if Lacey takes the drugs and is back to square one with getting clean? What if she commits suicide with it? What if she ODs?) and yet you show no remorse nor help MC deal with it.
I often tried to justify her "mistakes" in act 1 like not telling MC about Lacey and Jared or not telling him about the tennis as Anna being scared that Lacey (as Queen Bee) could restrict her access to MC, but for Mia's plan there is no reason to keep MC in the dark unless she became a underhanded POS.

Anna was supposed to be the kind one, not the evil scheming "friend".

Her behaviour during the KW aside from this is quite nice, she keeps the questions light, is worried about MC but then the story needs her to be a POS again, and she pushes MC to make the question in the first game as hard as possible: "A question so terrible that she'll hesitate to speak for the rest of the night."

I consider the "rave" question to be canon, because MC says "I win another turn." no matter which choice you pick at the flan/dessert question (probably a mistake, I fixed that in my script version), but then WHY Anna is now shown as a raver?
The girl did not want to be distracted from her studies, yet she acts ike she was an avid raver/party goer and LAUGHS at MC face, knowing full well how his college experience was.

Poor Anna, her character gets assassinated without a second thought and she looks bad when that happens.

As for Never have I ever.
I didn't think Veronica's veggie question was bad. Just because Lacey had used one didn't mean it was with someone, it felt like a layup, but then right after Mia who's never been with a guy says she had, Lacey admitted to it and Mia's like MC you dog... Come on bitch. In this one Veronica was the only one that was focusing on sex topics, but none of them felt mean this time. Then Mia's nickname question. Her I don't blame Mia as much because she had talked to MC and referred to Lacey nicknaming the dicks and her response of I figured she would have given yours one was almost believable because with as much as they talk she would have probably known if Lacey had done that.
And on the topic of the Nickname, I know I've said this before, but after the game when Mia is hiding and MC comes in. He tells her he knows why she did the nicknames, her response was why do you think I do? He said I don't think I know why. She then asks well tell me why you know? I mean come on, his answer should have been because you literally told me when we were talking about Lorenzo, it still hurts hearing it, but we already had this conversation.

Any sexual question has the potential to be bad with Lacey and MC, but in general as a question it is not crazy or too bad, what is bad is her reaction to it:

V "[MCFirst] you dirty boy." (it wasn't Mia that said it btw but Vero herself)
MC "It, um, wasn't with me."
V "And I'm a total bitch and will shutup now."

Why assume it was with MC? She literally admitted that she knows Lacey had an "interesting life" and even then Lacey could have done it while alone.
Moreover, when you fuck up, if you have any sort of social awareness, you don't underline that by telling everyone, you move on, you don't underline the mistake.
She could have THOUGHT it so the player could be notified that she is not happy with herself, but saying it out loud? double faux pas.

I said it before, her behaviour is so bad that it becomes sus pretty quick, but we are used to charaters being assasinated to move the story along.

On the dick naming, I already said this above, but we know this about Mia and Lacey:

M "Uh, you know she tells me everything right?"
M "I know things no girl should ever know."
M "Like exactly how your dick tastes."
M "In detail."

And we are supposed to believe she doesn't know about a nickname? I already discussed the size part which was withheld.
Such a topic has strong ties to Lacey's past anyway, and shouldn't be touched if you are not a POS, but Mia definitely is a POS, so: "Fiiiine".

I don't mind MC going hard on the dick naming thing, you don't solve things in one conversation, he tried to avoid it but Lacey kept pressuring him and he was already quite unhappy and, contrary to Lacey, was being an adult and tried to ingnore it to not sour the weekend.

What comes after is actually the bad part:

MC "I know that about you, because I love and accept you."
L "I know you're right. I know. I'm just feeling extra sensitive right now."
"Then it dawns on me."
MC "Because you're having to share my attention with three half-naked women."
MC "Because I'm flirting with them right in front of you."
MC "On top of which, the fun games you tried to setup are making you look like a bad wife."
MC "So... of course you're feeling the way you do."
MC "And I just figured that all out right now."
MC "I get why you're feeling this way."
MC "But you have to pick a less awful topic than this."

Again a simp moment from MC, in all seriousness, the guy had to see Lacey get groped/fucked/flirt with almost every single man in the story, this was his gift from her and it magically becomes...about her?
Fucking hell, he already went on his self degrading tirade about maturity and letting things go (which is bull and quite tiring, like him constantly calling himself an asshole), why can't we expect the same thing from Lacey ON HIS SPECIAL WEEKEND no less?
Nope, back to simping and Lacey being extra selfish.

And then there was the end of KW (well at least the end right before the video) when Anna confronts Mia and ask her why she was bring up all that stuff and being so mean. That did turn me around on Anna at this point.

It was not enough, but Anna came back to be...Anna instead of whatever version of her is needed for the story, as I said she is a victim of writing more than anything else.
What she did in cahoots with Mia with the drugs is unforgivable, literally, so she is another ruined character for the sake of drama.

You are thinking European, not American.
Most likely meant Thanksgiving not Christmas

Isn't that a "winter holiday"? I admit my ignorance in which term is more appropriate.

 

[Maviarab]

Ohhhh boy...I'ma make a new rule..no one can post until noon GMT and have to stop at 02.00. I canne keep up guys!

This game is amazing. One of my favs I've ever played and I've played tons. The depth of the characters and the twisted imagination of the Dev is superb. I can't wait for more and I seriously hope this game goes for a long time. Gimme 15-20 chapters like this and I'll be ecstatic!

I can't wait to see more depravity while watching the MC suffer through his angst, anxiety, and tortured confusion because of the unwanted lustful reaction he gets even as he hates what's happening. Him getting excited over her having sex with others while simultaneously hating every second of it it divine. Will he grow to like it? Or overcome his lust to put his foot down once and for all? I want to see him take his rage out by forcing her to act the depraved slut, making her repeat her wicked descent she experienced without him.

Will they convince each other that by doing so it'll be somewhat cathartic since he can actually watch and control what he had no say or part in previously while she was away for college? Or will it crush him by the end as he realizes that a part of her loves it no matter how much she denies it?

Maybe he'll allow her to convince him to get with one of the girls and we'll watch them slowly become a part of a semi-permanent or maybe fully permanent threesome? Perhaps Lacey ends up loving it and they all share. Or we can choose she hates it but hides that fact and suffers while watching him grow closer and closer with his new lover?

Perhaps, they both get trapped into a blackmail situation where they must go through with some heavy forced scenes in order to buy some time to get out from the blackmailers thumb. Maybe we'll see the MC twist and turn in his guts as he's forced to watch his wife be tricked out and used. Damn, I hope so.


There's so many directions this game can go in and I hope we have many choices to choose from because I want to explore them all.

Seems your post got lost in the discussion...so I shall address so you're not being ignored:

1. While the story going in cuck direction, it's not what the succubus wants. It's character assassination by the author on the MC.
2. They have already started this on the slut path route....
3. Would be awesome if we can drive the succubus with jealousy ourselves, see how she likes it...relegate her to number two (her biggest fear).
4. Blackmail been done already....can't see it happening again, even with Dastardly & Muttley. it will be something different. I'd be very disappointed in the prof if he uses a lame blackmail plot again.

You are thinking European, not American.
Most likely meant Thanksgiving not Christmas

Bloody Yanks always being different!

for now

becomes a "banshee" here

Ohhh she been a Banshee for a while now hehe

There is no way a good natured character would do something like that, the filter excuse is absolutely stupid and make no sense because it simply translates as "I don't give a fuck about anyone but myself and how I feel".

Anna suffers from one important disease: her character is sacrificed to the story altar.

Sad...but very true.

Anna was supposed to be the kind one, not the evil scheming "friend".

Poor Anna, her character gets assassinated without a second thought

Sad...but very true...again.

Isn't that a "winter holiday"? I admit my ignorance in which term is more appropriate.

Thanksgiving is fall. Be classed as winter for us...but nope...damn yanks...winter does not start until December...Nov is Fall

 

[DeviantFun]

I can't wait to see more depravity while watching the MC suffer through his angst, anxiety, and tortured confusion because of the unwanted lustful reaction he gets even as he hates what's happening. Him getting excited over her having sex with others while simultaneously hating every second of it it divine. Will he grow to like it? Or overcome his lust to put his foot down once and for all? I want to see him take his rage out by forcing her to act the depraved slut, making her repeat her wicked descent she experienced without him.

I think you missed the huge point about MC mental health and focused on one or two lines that are dropped to keep the door open to some scenes and do not fit his character at all.

Lacey is against it, and will do so only to please MC (remember the gg points?), your scenario will be very close to abuse.

In fact, every time MC goes for something like you suggest he loses a chunk of points, you should keep that in mind.

Will they convince each other that by doing so it'll be somewhat cathartic since he can actually watch and control what he had no say or part in previously while she was away for college? Or will it crush him by the end as he realizes that a part of her loves it no matter how much she denies it?

If you played the game you should know full well that Lacey completely and utterly detests herself for what she has done and what she has become, every time MC forces her to relive it he loses gg points.

I think you need a second playthrough, check the slut path in act 1 and keep Lacey honest if you want the maximum amount of information.

Maybe he'll allow her to convince him to get with one of the girls and we'll watch them slowly become a part of a semi-permanent or maybe fully permanent threesome? Perhaps Lacey ends up loving it and they all share. Or we can choose she hates it but hides that fact and suffers while watching him grow closer and closer with his new lover?

Lacey will surely suffer from jealousy, she does it now, and Mc will have the possibility to choose several LIs.

If you played act 2 you will see that Lacey's plan goes beyond a simple pump and dump, she talks about love.

Perhaps, they both get trapped into a blackmail situation where they must go through with some heavy forced scenes in order to buy some time to get out from the blackmailers thumb. Maybe we'll see the MC twist and turn in his guts as he's forced to watch his wife be tricked out and used. Damn, I hope so.

Thankfully the professor is a good writer, no matter how many flaws we can find, and will probably not fall for such an overused, unrealistic and, frankly, silly cliché typical of the worst NTR slop.

There is a conspiracy going on led by FV however, the outcome of this is obviously still a mystery to us.

 

[Pugthulhu]

Not so much of a victim here, she fully expect the questions to be hurtful, why? Why not keep it light? Why even play the game at all instead of a "bikini dancing competition" or whatever else could bring everyone mind as far as possible from bad emotions? Strip poker? Anything that doesn't involve MC having to think about your high mileage ass?

I think Lacey chose those games because they would touch on uncomfortable topics and it just went to far. She had probably played those games many many times in college and probably remembers them as not so bad not really thinking that her perception of what is really bad is very different from others. Lacey probably ask the girls to ask questions that would be uncomfortable. But they should have also thought about the MC's intimacy rules:
It should strengthen their friendship. Everyone should feel comfortable. Nobody feels hurt, pressured, jealous, or sad. And most important, Have fun. That's what the "King" wanted for that weekend and "his girls" broke every one of his rules.

I don't understand her either, as I always say she is a career woman that probably had to navigate social situations often, her behaviour during the whole weekend is very clumsy and mean.

Yes, she is a businesswoman and she knows the importance of words. She has to be think about wording in meetings and emails all the time and her being careless about her words does not make sense.
Is the author just going to make her a carbon copy of what everyone else is turning into. Someone who loves the MC and is trying to push Lacey away from him so he can be with her? I know Anna said nobody else knew about her betrayal plan, but could Mia be planting seeds in the minds of everyone who has a crush on the MC. Heck right now I'm thinking the only one with a crush on the MC that he can totally trust is Jamie.

The buildup is absolutely unhinged, all three of them turn into banshees:

M "You must bring your wife down a peg."
V "She was so sure about it that we decided to put our faith in you to shake her to the core."
A "A question so terrible that she'll hesitate to speak for the rest of the night."

These are just examples, and they do not seem "playful" to me, all three know the situation well by now, chill out.

Look at the subsequent dialogue:
M "Topple the queen Prince Valiant."
V "We believe in you."
A "We have a whole weekend to soothe your battle wounds."

Even Anna, that is actually VERY concerned and mild during the rest of the weekend becomes a "banshee" here, why? "Just give yourself another PTSD episode, we will take care of you later" does not seem a sound strategy nor particularly caring for a weekend that was supposed to be a prize, not a challenge.

I think here the author tried to look for shock value, which could be achieved by simply making the girls be more mild and playful (just using this part with mild modifications would work):

A "Lacey was quite insistent that you would not be able to come up with a question that would cause her to squirm."
V "She did boast that, more than once."
L "All I said was that you wouldn't come up with something that would make me squirm."
M "She is totally downplaying this."
A "She truly is."

And have MC DECIDE BY HIMSELF (agency, right? a daydream for our hero) that he wanted to really go deep, due to curiosity and showing "power" over her, her past and his reaction.

So you would not have 3 banshees wanting both Lacey and MC to feel bad, but 3 playful bikini hotties and a man that decided FOR HIMSELF that he wanted to face something or to remind Lacey that she is not forgiven, but he is in control.

It is fine for MC to have turmoil at this point, but damn does he look like a child here and so does the girls.

Exactly, when I first read the statement about making Lacey not want to speak the rest of the night I thought Mia said it. I probably thought that the first time through as well. Then I rolled back and read through it again and I noticed it was Anna and I was shocked. Through the rest of KW Anna was more of herself. But at this point she went off the rails.

So, the KW could have been used to show Mia start to redemption, having her apologetic and willing to atone, putting Lacey and especially MC first, she does the exact opposite and cements her position as the worst character in the game.

I do not joke when I say that Evan is morally superior to Mia, and if you take your time and check her actions and words you can't disagree.

Mia, Mia, Mia...
You know? Everyone in the game and those on these forums like to talk about how selfish Lacey is and Lacey is very selfish, but she is not even in the same ballpark as Mia.
If Lacey had 2 choices. Do something that helped herself, but hurt the MC or Do something that helped the MC but hurt herself, I think she would choose the later. Heck if you replaced the MC with Mia I still think she would make that choice.
If Mia had those same 2 choices I don't think she would hurt herself to help anyone.

When I read though it the second time I thought it was good for Mia to apologize, but in reality Mia did exactly what Mia needed to do for Mia. When her betrayal failed I'm sure she told Lacey exactly what little ol gullible Lacey needed to hear to forgive her.
Then she said exactly what she needed to say to everyone to get them to forgive her. Well maybe not forgive as much as give her another chance.

I'm not sure at this point if the story is trying to lead Mia towards a redemption or lead her towards being an outright villain and at this point it looks more like her being a Villain. Maybe she'll be the final boss battle.

Anna suffers from one important disease: her character is sacrificed to the story altar.

Poor Anna, her character gets assassinated without a second thought and she looks bad when that happens.

Exactly, and other than the way she acted push the MC to hurt Lacey with his question she seemed more of herself in KW.

After The Moster's text when the MC had the talk with Anna where he ask hey "Why?" and she gave the speech about seeing someone you love hurt. I was like Bitch Please.
You are the only one who has been there through it all. You saw him in college, and most importantly you saw him on that cliff. You more than anyone should know that trying to help him out of an abusive relationship is not going to end well for him. If you really feel that you need to get him away from Lacey, then encourage him to get therapy. Help ease him out of it. And the most important thing you can do Never, Ever, Ever listen to Mia.

Any sexual question has the potential to be bad with Lacey and MC, but in general as a question it is not crazy or too bad, what is bad is her reaction to it:

V "[MCFirst] you dirty boy." (it wasn't Mia that said it btw but Vero herself)
MC "It, um, wasn't with me."
V "And I'm a total bitch and will shutup now."
Why assume it was with MC? She literally admitted that she knows Lacey had an "interesting life" and even then Lacey could have done it while alone.

Moreover, when you fuck up, if you have any sort of social awareness, you don't underline that by telling everyone, you move on, you don't underline the mistake.

She could have THOUGHT it so the player could be notified that she is not happy with herself, but saying it out loud? double faux pas.

Oh wow, I thought Mia said that. I didn't realize it was Veronica. That puts things in a whole new light and tears Veronica down another step to me on KW for all the reasons you said here.
I've talked about motivation before, but I'm still trying to figure out Veronica's motivation for this.

Maybe the author wanted KW to be uncomfortable and help show the MCs growth. And he just chose the wrong set of characters to accomplish his goal and instead of inviting someone who would fit more into the roll to push these things he used Anna and Veronica which was out of character for them.

I don't mind MC going hard on the dick naming thing, you don't solve things in one conversation, he tried to avoid it but Lacey kept pressuring him and he was already quite unhappy and, contrary to Lacey, was being an adult and tried to ignore it to not sour the weekend.

I'm not saying that he needs to solve it in one conversation. What I'm saying is that he acted like he had never had the previous conversation about this. It's like it never happened. Instead of "I just thought you would have given his dick a nickname." Mia could have said "Oh we talked about Lacey's nicknames with The Pencil and Micro-dick. I thought it would be ok."
And Lacey and the MCs conversation she acts like she hadn't already told him the reason.

Like I said before, I'm ok with the MC saying it hurt him and he still isn't ok with it. And I'm sure this is completely a mistake with the writing of the story. But he already new all of that stuff. And I would just like a little acknowledgement of that fact.

Isn't that a "winter holiday"? I admit my ignorance in which term is more appropriate.

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In the states we generally refer to the period between Thanksgiving (end of November) and Christmas as the Winter Holidays or the Holiday Season. So if someone says to me "before the holidays" or "before the "winter holidays" I could see that as being being as early as late November.
If I meant end of December I would say before the end of the year. If I said before the holidays I would be referring to late November or early December.

When Act 2 came out we were suspicious, that the exact time the little bitch video was uploaded and MC watched it, Veronica was absent, causing speculation whether she was the one ordered to upload it (in MC’s home with his computer) or just monitor his reaction from a different room, while he blows up at Lacey.

IIRC, she also wasn’t there for when MC reveals, that he is aware it’s a deepfake and apologises for getting angry

EDIT: if this theory holds any water, it could also explain why Veronica seems to be sabotaging Lacey with her questions during KW

Ok, here is the Veronica timeline as I just went through it again.

All four are there for the first game and go to bed.

All four are there when MC gets up, they all go to the pool and she is with the girls at the pool when the MC get's the text from the Monster. They play the second game and then Veronica goes for a nap after drinking to much. And the MC talks to Lacey and get's her to come out and continue.

Then it's just the 3 girls at the hottub and Veronica has her meeting.
This is when the MC get's and watches the video. The 3 girls hear his scream as he confronts them at the hottub. **Why did Veronica not react from the scream in the other room? Was it a meeting she could not get away from or something else?**

The next time we see Veronica is when Kelly calls Mia to tell them the MC is with her. Veronica is in the living room with them and then they go to bed and will get the video tomorrow.
Anna and Veronica have a talk before bed where Veronica asks about the MC going to therapy.
Then she says something that is shocking to me from some who as spent so much time with Lacey. She says "Do you think Lacey will forgive him for screaming?"
Anna responds with a comment that Veronica should have known:
"Forgive him? He was forgiven 10 seconds after she did it."

Then the night goes by and they are all four together when the video is sent and the all watch it together.
Then it doesn't show Veronica for the rest of the day. Mia and Anna pull Lacey out of her closet and talk to her. Veronica is not there and nobody says anything about it.
Then Christine swoops in and saves the day.

This is the most important part:
When the MC shows up at the house with the reveal that the video was fake. Veronica WAS in the room with them. When the MC is apologizing all four girls say they are confused and don't understand. She is there while the MC tells them all of the details of Christine figuring out the video. The only thing she says after that is that they should leave and give Lacey and MC time alone.

So, based on the convo with FV and Will we know that FV does not know why the video was not affective. Everyone that knew the video was fake is MC, Lacey, Mia, Anna, Veronica, and Christine. Kelly tells the MC that Mia told her about it.
Those are the only ones who are verified to know that they found out the video was fake. So I feel comfortable is saying that none of them should be working with FV. Including Veronica.

 

[CrysusPariah2]

So, based on the convo with FV and Will we know that FV does not know why the video was not affective. Everyone that knew the video was fake is MC, Lacey, Mia, Anna, Veronica, and Christine. Kelly tells the MC that Mia told her about it.
Those are the only ones who are verified to know that they found out the video was fake. So I feel comfortable is saying that none of them should be working with FV. Including Veronica.

Or like with Jared she is reluctantly doing as she is told, but not providing additional/helpful information to her presumed blackmailer (like that the deepfake failed)

Bit of a trite repeat, but hey…

 

[Pugthulhu]

Or like with Jared she is reluctantly doing as she is told, but not providing additional/helpful information to her presumed blackmailer (like that the deepfake failed)

Bit of a trite repeat, but hey…

True, but the writing and story have been good enough that even with the mistakes that have been made I don't believe he would use the same character in the same way as before.
Veronica was not acting normal. If this wasn't just a writing thing then it was intentionally put into the story.

The meeting was out of place and unnecessary for the story as we currently know it.
Why did he need Veronica to not be in the hottub scene where the MC blewup? It would have been just as easy for her to still not feel well from drinking and want to stay in bed, but it was a meeting instead. I think the meeting was intentional.
It could be something like her company wants to transfer her away and she didn't know how to tell them. Maybe a big promotion for Lacey and she can't say anything. It could be that The Monster is also in contact with her and maybe others and maybe he was chatting with her at the time. Or, it could just be a Red Herring.
It feels like it's important and based on how Veronica acted at KW it doesn't seem like its in the benefit of Lacey and the MC.

 

[Maviarab]

Heck right now I'm thinking the only one with a crush on the MC that he can totally trust is Jamie.

Sorry...but he already met the suvvubus...rules him out. Only safe bets right now are Bethany and Yue.

I'm still trying to figure out Veronica's motivation for this.

So are we...so are we....

 

[Diosvincenccio]

If Mia had those same 2 choices I don't think she would hurt herself to help anyone.

Heck, i bet she would put it as, helping myself is helping others, because if i get hurt im gonna set the world on fire for everyone.

When her betrayal failed

Did it fail? Isnt she (and Anna) included in Lacey sharing plan? After the K offering there seems to be a talk that ended with both of them included in the sharing plans, they vaguely mention something of this kind when the girls watch the little bitch video.

Mia betrayal somewhat succeded, not completely as she couldnt bring down Lacey a peg to an equal (equal to the rest of the girls) position, but Mia at least managed a partial win, she and anna are now on the line to love (and bonk) the MC and now with Lacey aproval and blessings, wich was Mia intention, to get love from the MC.

Even when MC asks Lacey if Mia suceeded, Lacey says she dosent know, its kind of ambiguous, since it could meant that Lacey was kind of forced to concede something. (Adding them as a somewhat long term lovers for MC in the sharing plan.)

And the most important thing you can do Never, Ever, Ever listen to Mia

I wish we could tatoo that in MC's forehead. To make him keep it close in thought, but since he thinks with the other head sometimes, maybe tatoo it there too, to keep reminding him and the girls that see it too to not trust Mia.

Anyway, damn good phrase.

 

[DeviantFun]

I think Lacey chose those games because they would touch on uncomfortable topics and it just went to far. She had probably played those games many many times in college and probably remembers them as not so bad not really thinking that her perception of what is really bad is very different from others. Lacey probably ask the girls to ask questions that would be uncomfortable. But they should have also thought about the MC's intimacy rules:
It should strengthen their friendship. Everyone should feel comfortable. Nobody feels hurt, pressured, jealous, or sad. And most important, Have fun. That's what the "King" wanted for that weekend and "his girls" broke every one of his rules.

Are those games you would play after middle/high school? I am asking genuinely.

You made me think about the fact that she played those games in college, It is clear that is the only moment where she could, since we know how her childhood went until she left, so her "misery tale" (to which I subscribe but only partially) is even less truthful.

She had her fun.

We know that Lacey made some preparations with the girls, made then swear to say the truth and gave each one special instruction (we only see Mia's).

But look I am called the "Lacey's simp" around here and even I can't think of a reason why the KW turned out like that, the promise and the premise (end of act 1) of the KW was a bit different.
MC on the other hand, in true witless witness fashion, does not make a single request during the whole weekend.

Yeah everyone should enjoy their time, but what we got is not this (originally it was supposed to be only Anna too):

L "What if next weekend I invite Mia, Anna and Veronica to all come to the house."
L "They'll spend the whole weekend here."
L "Kind of the same idea as before. We don't go anywhere, except for maybe the pool or the hot tub."
L "When we're outside, all the girls will wear bikinis."
L "But when we're inside we'll all be either naked or in lingerie."
L "You get to pick." <- NO HE DOESN'T
L "And instead of 'cheating' the four of us will just be your eye candy."
L "Dress us however you want. Or keep us naked the whole weekend."
L "And we'll trade off giving you back rubs and foot massages." <- NOPE
L "You can pick which girls go to the hot tub with you."
L "You can have two of us sleep in the bed with you." <- this happens even if MC is unable to choose freely.
L "And trade off who it is, the next night."
L "We could start it on Friday night and have it go all the way through Monday morning."
L "You could use me for any sexual outlet you need or want."

Heck at the start of the weekend Lacey immediately puts MC on the spot and make him unconfortable.

Anyway, we got what we got, it is not a bad event per se I actually like it, but it is kinda full of holes and not what I expected.

Yes, she is a businesswoman and she knows the importance of words. She has to be think about wording in meetings and emails all the time and her being careless about her words does not make sense.
Is the author just going to make her a carbon copy of what everyone else is turning into. Someone who loves the MC and is trying to push Lacey away from him so he can be with her? I know Anna said nobody else knew about her betrayal plan, but could Mia be planting seeds in the minds of everyone who has a crush on the MC. Heck right now I'm thinking the only one with a crush on the MC that he can totally trust is Jamie.

Heh yeah you might be right on Jamie and honestly, the "carbon copy" seems appropriate.

The crew by itself is a weird concept, "we keep Lacey out because she is the queen bee and we all have to obey her because we have vaginas and this is how we operate", which is obviously total BS.

A good lead could have been that Christine and Jeanette do not want anything to do with her after Bastion, Anna is fine not having her around all the time because she is in a sort of love/hate situation, Kelly goes without saying and, hell, even Veronica shoud be colder after the Jared stuff.

So instead of an organic explanation we get this weird Queen Bee stuff because women are women and come from Venus and have societal rules written in stone that no one can ever challenge, and MC is a man so he doesn't have the brainpower to process the complex societal structure.

Exactly, when I first read the statement about making Lacey not want to speak the rest of the night I thought Mia said it. I probably thought that the first time through as well. Then I rolled back and read through it again and I noticed it was Anna and I was shocked. Through the rest of KW Anna was more of herself. But at this point she went off the rails.

My poor poor Anna, look how they massacred my girl...

Mia, Mia, Mia...
You know? Everyone in the game and those on these forums like to talk about how selfish Lacey is and Lacey is very selfish, but she is not even in the same ballpark as Mia.

AMEN Brother! They are not even close and even if they were Lacey is trying very hard to be accountable, something that Mia doesn't even know the meaning of.
Every time I read "why did YOU let me ruin your life" I am always astonished by the sheer selfishness and stupidity of it.

If Lacey had 2 choices. Do something that helped herself, but hurt the MC or Do something that helped the MC but hurt herself, I think she would choose the later. Heck if you replaced the MC with Mia I still think she would make that choice.
If Mia had those same 2 choices I don't think she would hurt herself to help anyone.

That should be her redemption arc, or at least part of it.
As I often say, there is no way a character like Mia can be redeemed, there is simply no way to cancel the abuse she subjected Lacey to and the damage she did to MC.

And the stuff keeps on piling on.

When I read though it the second time I thought it was good for Mia to apologize, but in reality Mia did exactly what Mia needed to do for Mia. When her betrayal failed I'm sure she told Lacey exactly what little ol gullible Lacey needed to hear to forgive her.
Then she said exactly what she needed to say to everyone to get them to forgive her. Well maybe not forgive as much as give her another chance.

I don't know if Mia is written like that, in terms of lying to Lacey, the author wants us to believe that she is good, but yes, Mia does what Mia needs, if you read her "apology" she stated that she thought that if Lacey could go through all that in college, it would help her own trauma.
This is monstruos behaviour, literally, she never once thought of doing what Lacey did, she subjected her to it so she could help herself.

Even if we take into account that Mia really wanted to help Lacey, the whole act 1 is a dismissal of any sort of goodwill, she knew Lacey was being treated llike shit, she even named a dress to mock her prom...but I digress and I have listed how shitty she is many times.

I'm not sure at this point if the story is trying to lead Mia towards a redemption or lead her towards being an outright villain and at this point it looks more like her being a Villain. Maybe she'll be the final boss battle.

She will join the harem and will be friends with everyone, even if every single player I have talked to despises her profoundly the author thinks she is a cool ans sassy gal.

But if I have to be honest she needs a full act of retcons to try and salvage the character + some redemption arc that needs to be a true and powerful sacrifice.

Exactly, and other than the way she acted push the MC to hurt Lacey with his question she seemed more of herself in KW.

After The Moster's text when the MC had the talk with Anna where he ask hey "Why?" and she gave the speech about seeing someone you love hurt. I was like Bitch Please.
You are the only one who has been there through it all. You saw him in college, and most importantly you saw him on that cliff. You more than anyone should know that trying to help him out of an abusive relationship is not going to end well for him. If you really feel that you need to get him away from Lacey, then encourage him to get therapy. Help ease him out of it. And the most important thing you can do Never, Ever, Ever listen to Mia.

haha yeah exactly, bitch please.

I can't add much more to your statement, it is perfect.

Add one simple thing, Mia's plan was crafted to hurt MC, AGAIN.
Where is our "tigress protector" when we need her? Oh right, she is scheming with the most villanous character in the story to hurt MC.

Oh wow, I thought Mia said that. I didn't realize it was Veronica. That puts things in a whole new light and tears Veronica down another step to me on KW for all the reasons you said here.
I've talked about motivation before, but I'm still trying to figure out Veronica's motivation for this.

I think she is suffering from "Annitis simplex".

Current infected characters: Anna, Christine, Veronica, isaac, Jeanette and maybe Kelly.

Maybe the author wanted KW to be uncomfortable and help show the MCs growth. And he just chose the wrong set of characters to accomplish his goal and instead of inviting someone who would fit more into the roll to push these things he used Anna and Veronica which was out of character for them.

Probably, but I did not see any growth from MC, I have seen a transformation into a self deprecating doormat.

I'm not saying that he needs to solve it in one conversation. What I'm saying is that he acted like he had never had the previous conversation about this. It's like it never happened. Instead of "I just thought you would have given his dick a nickname." Mia could have said "Oh we talked about Lacey's nicknames with The Pencil and Micro-dick. I thought it would be ok."
And Lacey and the MCs conversation she acts like she hadn't already told him the reason.

Like I said before, I'm ok with the MC saying it hurt him and he still isn't ok with it. And I'm sure this is completely a mistake with the writing of the story. But he already new all of that stuff. And I would just like a little acknowledgement of that fact.

I don't get that feeling, MC at some point even says "I knew all that and it still hurt".
Lacey just wanted to be clear and explain herself again if necessary, wrong moment, wrong topic but I can see it.

In the states we generally refer to the period between Thanksgiving (end of November) and Christmas as the Winter Holidays or the Holiday Season. So if someone says to me "before the holidays" or "before the "winter holidays" I could see that as being being as early as late November.
If I meant end of December I would say before the end of the year. If I said before the holidays I would be referring to late November or early December.

I am officially american.

Ok, here is the Veronica timeline as I just went through it again.

All four are there for the first game and go to bed.

All four are there when MC gets up, they all go to the pool and she is with the girls at the pool when the MC get's the text from the Monster. They play the second game and then Veronica goes for a nap after drinking to much. And the MC talks to Lacey and get's her to come out and continue.

Then it's just the 3 girls at the hottub and Veronica has her meeting.
This is when the MC get's and watches the video. The 3 girls hear his scream as he confronts them at the hottub. **Why did Veronica not react from the scream in the other room? Was it a meeting she could not get away from or something else?**

The next time we see Veronica is when Kelly calls Mia to tell them the MC is with her. Veronica is in the living room with them and then they go to bed and will get the video tomorrow.
Anna and Veronica have a talk before bed where Veronica asks about the MC going to therapy.
Then she says something that is shocking to me from some who as spent so much time with Lacey. She says "Do you think Lacey will forgive him for screaming?"
Anna responds with a comment that Veronica should have known:
"Forgive him? He was forgiven 10 seconds after she did it."

Then the night goes by and they are all four together when the video is sent and the all watch it together.
Then it doesn't show Veronica for the rest of the day. Mia and Anna pull Lacey out of her closet and talk to her. Veronica is not there and nobody says anything about it.
Then Christine swoops in and saves the day.

This is the most important part:
When the MC shows up at the house with the reveal that the video was fake. Veronica WAS in the room with them. When the MC is apologizing all four girls say they are confused and don't understand. She is there while the MC tells them all of the details of Christine figuring out the video. The only thing she says after that is that they should leave and give Lacey and MC time alone.

So, based on the convo with FV and Will we know that FV does not know why the video was not affective. Everyone that knew the video was fake is MC, Lacey, Mia, Anna, Veronica, and Christine. Kelly tells the MC that Mia told her about it.
Those are the only ones who are verified to know that they found out the video was fake. So I feel comfortable is saying that none of them should be working with FV. Including Veronica.

I definitely agree.

Or like with Jared she is reluctantly doing as she is told, but not providing additional/helpful information to her presumed blackmailer

Bit of a trite repeat, but hey…

eh yeah, plus she let that out during the KW, the topic is done and will be used with high probability for a scene.

 

[Pugthulhu]

Sorry...but he already met the suvvubus...rules him out. Only safe bets right now are Bethany and Yue.

I do think the succubus theory is fun and if the story is intended to have fantasy elements it's even a plausible theory.

However, in my single play and the short time I've been reading into theories and such. I think it's much more likely for Mia to be the succubus or an energy vampire or something.
She has been feeding off of Lacey's lust and pain since college. She's been using Lacey to cause lust in rooms of people in college and feeding off of it. What if the reason she hasn't had sex with a man is because she can't control herself and could hurt someone, so instead she pushes those around her into emotional situations. Anger, Jealousy, lust. She has been the catalyst for most of the emotion in the game. And every time things start to calm down she adds something to stir up the emotion again.

 

[DeviantFun]

I do think the succubus theory is fun and if the story is intended to have fantasy elements it's even a plausible theory.

However, in my single play and the short time I've been reading into theories and such. I think it's much more likely for Mia to be the succubus or an energy vampire or something.
She has been feeding off of Lacey's lust and pain since college. She's been using Lacey to cause lust in rooms of people in college and feeding off of it. What if the reason she hasn't had sex with a man is because she can't control herself and could hurt someone, so instead she pushes those around her into emotional situations. Anger, Jealousy, lust. She has been the catalyst for most of the emotion in the game. And every time things start to calm down she adds something to stir up the emotion again.

On this I have to disagree, Lacey is literally an emotional (correction: psychic) vampire by her own admission.

Mia is just a very bad person.

 

[Maviarab]

Every time I read "why did YOU let me ruin your life" I am always astonished by the sheer selfishness and stupidity of it.

I know you love this line....but look deeper. YOU/SHE...

Lacey did let her...really...she could have stopped whenever she wanted to....so thinking deeper, did/does Mia subconciously actually realise this?

We know the succubus can manipulate a manipulative bag full of manipulative things....Mia has started (in words at least) to blame herself....but maybe our dear emotioanal sucking creature of the night...actually manipulated her into now thinking it's her fault..when all along...as always....just like as a child with the MC....

It was her using Mia...

 

[Diosvincenccio]

I think it's much more likely for Mia to be the succubus or an energy vampire or something.

No no no. Lacey is the succubus, she feeds on sex and emotions. Mia is just pure evil, like the concept of evil incarnate, i bet that if she dies someday, the devil himself crowns her queen of hell... kidding, but i think that she is the real narcissist in the story and Lacey is just a imitation from learned behaviour.

 

[funnythings3785]

Hmm... Wait... With Lacey setting up key groups to be with the MC, doesn't that technically also turn Lacey into "The Pimp" as well? I mean, doesn't she technically step into the role of Mia and is essentially setting up the MC to screw various women (Lacey selected) because... well... Lacey is gonna "fix him" and doesn't this sound quite a bit like Mia... well... at least her "claim of" trying to "fix" Lacey with the sex?

So is Lacey Pimp v2 now?

 

[DeviantFun]

I know you love this line....but look deeper. YOU/SHE...

Lacey did let her...really...she could have stopped whenever she wanted to....so thinking deeper, did/does Mia subconciously actually realise this?

We know the succubus can manipulate a manipulative bag full of manipulative things....Mia has started (in words at least) to blame herself....but maybe our dear emotioanal sucking creature of the night...actually manipulated her into now thinking it's her fault..when all along...as always....just like as a child with the MC....

It was her using Mia...

naw come on, you know I worked with people that reached the bottom, Lacey fits exactly that.

It doesn't mean that Lacey is an innocent angel, but I know how monsters can prey on weakness, even momentary one.

Plus, Mia did the same thing with Kelly, she is a manipulative and evi bitch.

So is Lacey Pimp v2 now?

Lacey is pimping her husband to selected clientele, she is more of a high class madam.

Mia was offering her slut to anyone.

 

[Maviarab]

naw come on, you know I worked with people that reached the bottom, Lacey fits exactly that.

It doesn't mean that Lacey is an innocent angel, but I know how monsters can prey on weakness, even momentary one.

But Lacey's own words and admittance...are you going to go against those?

Would also fit lovely. She the one actually using Mia (after Mia initially pushed her) but once that happened...Lacey blameless....was all Mia's fault....not miiiine my love (flutters eyelashes at MC)

 

[Pugthulhu]

Are those games you would play after middle/high school? I am asking genuinely.

You made me think about the fact that she played those games in college, It is clear that is the only moment where she could, since we know how her childhood went until she left, so her "misery tale" (to which I subscribe but only partially) is even less truthful.

She had her fun.

Not to date myself, but those two games were not big when I was in school and college. It was mostly Truth or Dare and quarters.

Yes, she did have some fun. But, when you are talking about depression people who are depressed will still have fun and alot of the times after they have that fun they will feel guilty for having it.
Lacey made it through the severe depression she had through college and she would probably tell you college was a horrible time for her, but that doesn't mean that there weren't good days or good parts. I don't think it's a lie for her to say it was all bad even if there were good parts.

Yes, the game was another poor choice by Lacey. And even worse because her "friends" didn't stop and say, "you know that game can get pretty mean right?" And then nobody even thought, "you know Lacey wants this to be touch on some uncomfortable topics without turning things bad. I think I can think of some questions to do that.

We know that Lacey made some preparations with the girls, made then swear to say the truth and gave each one special instruction (we only see Mia's).

I forgot to mention this, but yes. What was the deal with the "Special Instructions".

Anyway, we got what we got, it is not a bad event per se I actually like it, but it is kinda full of holes and not what I expected.

Agreed

AMEN Brother! They are not even close and even if they were Lacey is trying very hard to be accountable, something that Mia doesn't even know the meaning of.

Every time I read "why did YOU let me ruin your life" I am always astonished by the sheer selfishness and stupidity of it.

This is textbook victim blaming.

"oh you got raped, well you shouldn't have wore that dress". "you shouldn't have gone to that party". "you shouldn't have hung out with that guy. Everyone knows he's a player"
"abused by husband/relative?" "you should have left them" "you should have told someone" "what did you do to to make them do it?"

Probably, but I did not see any growth from MC, I have seen a transformation into a self deprecating doormat.

I do see gradual growth. He is not getting angry and running away from every comment. And he has had a couple of moments like standing up to Isaac in the bar. And I loved how he and Lacey handled Will in front of their apartment.
But I get your point and most of the time he just lies there and takes it. He's been the punching bag his whole life. Once he is able to get over his flight response I do hope he is able to start standing up to people.

No no no. Lacey is the succubus, she feeds on sex and emotions. Mia is just pure evil, like the concept of evil incarnate, i bet that if she dies someday, the devil himself crowns her queen of hell... kidding, but i think that she is the real narcissist in the story and Lacey is just a imitation from learned behaviour.

Ok, I'll play the game, but I'm not really committed to the whole succubus theory. But anyway.

Do y'all think she was feeding on her parents and MC as a child?
The way I see it is she was a broken victim, who went through a shit life.

She went to college and for the first two years nothing but school and depression. In the second year she found drugs and alcohol.
In her third year, someone came to the school looking for a snack. Someone who needed to feed and they found a broken girl who they could mold into the perfect person to use to feed. She even convinced her victim that it was all her fault and that she was the one feeding off of the sex and guys while she stood behind her pulling the energy through her so she herself could feed.
Then a wrench is thrown into things, her tool decides to clean herself up. She still manages to arrange gangbangs, but it's not the same and she manages to get her victim to fall of the wagon a number of times, but it's still not enough and that's when she introduces her to Isaac and he has a 3 week feeding frenzy off of our victim. It is all going great when tragedy strikes and a phone call comes in to Lacey.
Now Mia is doing everything she can to stay close to her victim and feed when she can.

No I don't think this is really happening, but it's a fun distraction.