VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[DeviantFun]

Well, her character changed somewhat in how she dealt with some of the work stuff with Will and Stephen. It had issues, but it showed at least some "awareness" she didn't have beforehand and you could tell the professor was trying to praise that as some huge step, but I think when you consider all things, it was a bit weak and honestly really not that much to see as progression. In fact, it was more self serving than anything as she failed to inform the MC about all the details of what was going on, what she did, etc... again... solving her own problems without him, showing she didn't "need" him as if he was some... yep.. gonna say it, prop for her growth. *sigh*

Same with the locked bedroom scene, at first I thought... ok, she is taking control, seeking to not be the goofy push around, but then it occurred to me, it was yet another example of her being entirely selfish. It was made to look good, and the MC was force wrote to accept it like it was some major accomplishment, but it was at the cost of him. In many ways, no different than the scene where she "sought closure" with Issac and others when he came over. It was completely inconsiderate of the MC and it did something that really showed complete disregard after what they just went through in Vegas. He shouldn't have taken the situation as he did, it should have caused a massive break right there... it was too much, regardless of her intentions or how it really turned out.

I mean, think about it... she had the three major instigators of his angst come over and locked in a bedroom with her in the very house he was sleeping in... secretly... seriously? The entire "betrayal" in that was simply dismissed as the desire to attend to Lacey was focused on, the one who has been at the center of all the problems and in an Act that was supposed to be about the MCs healing and here we are again, the MC being used by Lacey for her healing while he continues to take on all the guilt for legitimate feelings of situations that she is causing.

She knew about his mental issues, they all did... yet...

Yeah, the more I reflect, the more I am pissed about the whole thing, the more I am beginning to hate Lacey. Add in the "I didn't love you" confusion, the obvious actions at Vegas, the pushing of him to bet her and her diatribe about her being another fucking gangbang whore for a bit really just being a sacrifice for him... WTF?

Add spoilers my man, come on.

But you are right, I think another missed opportunity is that when presenting Lacey, MC could have broken the cycle and spoke about how much he loved her and their connection, that would have made folks even more eager to fuck him over. (or fuck Lacey for that matter)

 

[funnythings3785]

Well you could split the cake in the middle.

Not accepting the Bastion TV show? It is an AVN, just accept the porn logic and go ahead.

Not perceiving a character as it should be? It is a writing issue especially when everyone and their dog have your same perception.

Not accepting that there might be some liberties taken about the legal system? It is an AVN, I mean TV shows do far worse, move on, it is fiction.

Problems with consitency of characters and storyline? Issue with writing.

Having Lacey looking at MC while on Ex and shouting "ATM guy" instead of wanting to touch him all over or hug him? Writing issue.

So you see, for some things is fine to engage your suspension of disbelief, for others, especially when you are reading a story that is held together by the deep connections and emotions of the characters, not so much.

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[funnythings3785]

Add spoilers my man, come on.

But you are right, I think another missed opportunity is that when presenting Lacey, MC could have broken the cycle and spoke about how much he loved her and their connection, that would have made folks even more eager to fuck him over. (or fuck Lacey for that matter)

Sorry, I miss from time to time. At this point, pretty much every post needs to be a spoiler.


Yeah, I was a bit shocked by his introduction of her, but in a way I guess it made sense, because it mirrors his past anger and view of her, but you are right, if we are at a "healing" stage, that could have been a nice progression.

Though... after the "girl day", was there really any healing at all? It seems like that was in many ways another cuck/humiliation incident. It should have spiraled him even more.

Honestly, I think you are right, the professor is going to have to do some serious retcon of the past chapters to shore things up because the story is all over the place right now.

 

[Saphfire]

I think you were expecting to much from act 3

The prof posted this on October, 13th:

Act 3 will continue that path, where we really see how the friends and love interests view the mental problems the MC is trying to overcome. Which is obviously not going very well. This is the story arc of how the MC begins to recognize what's going on internally and how he wants to find a better path for himself. The most important of which is learning to let go. Of course more of the external threat from Barty and company will come to light, and you'll learn more about how deep that conspiracy goes. The MC will also grow closer to the possible secondary LIs and more of Lacey's future plans for the MC will begin to take shape.

And, i´m saying it reluctantly, he kept his promises. The most important issue was that mc acknoledges that he needs therapy and start it.

I was the one wanting to leave or kill Lacey after the Girls Day. I still believe it is by far the worst part of this act. don´t know why he thought it´s a good idea.It didn´t make sense at all.

 

[funnythings3785]

For all this talk about Lacey, et. al, progress... I only say one thing: Deeds, not Words

Agreed.

Thanks for the wave-off. I'm getting enough hate and feeling cheated from L&J. No need to torture myself further than needed. I'm not the MC.

As a demoralized game, people seeking some sort of crash near the end, not NTR, but just sad... it may be ok, but for harem players that I saw, it was infuriating for sure. The shock of it I would compare to that of a romance game that forgot to mention it was really hard NTR. That is the level of shock the ending had (again, not NTR, just the expectation of the entire game and how it ended of that style of genre is shocking... no happy ending for the harem... just sadness.

 

[Rozhok]

I think you were expecting to much from act 3

The prof posted this on October, 13th:

Act 3 will continue that path, where we really see how the friends and love interests view the mental problems the MC is trying to overcome. Which is obviously not going very well. This is the story arc of how the MC begins to recognize what's going on internally and how he wants to find a better path for himself. The most important of which is learning to let go. Of course more of the external threat from Barty and company will come to light, and you'll learn more about how deep that conspiracy goes. The MC will also grow closer to the possible secondary LIs and more of Lacey's future plans for the MC will begin to take shape.

And, i´m saying it reluctantly, he kept his promises. The most important issue was that mc acknoledges that he needs therapy and start it.

I was the one wanting to leave or kill Lacey after the Girls Day. I still believe it is by far the worst part of this act. don´t know why he thought it´s a good idea.It didn´t make sense at all.

You are right, this is something that we have to keep in mind when "bashing" act 3, myself included. I do hope we get more from act 4 and on.

 

[funnythings3785]

I think you were expecting to much from act 3

The prof posted this on October, 13th:

Act 3 will continue that path, where we really see how the friends and love interests view the mental problems the MC is trying to overcome. Which is obviously not going very well. This is the story arc of how the MC begins to recognize what's going on internally and how he wants to find a better path for himself. The most important of which is learning to let go. Of course more of the external threat from Barty and company will come to light, and you'll learn more about how deep that conspiracy goes. The MC will also grow closer to the possible secondary LIs and more of Lacey's future plans for the MC will begin to take shape.

And, i´m saying it reluctantly, he kept his promises. The most important issue was that mc acknoledges that he needs therapy and start it.

I was the one wanting to leave or kill Lacey after the Girls Day. I still believe it is by far the worst part of this act. don´t know why he thought it´s a good idea.It didn´t make sense at all.

I was, like I said, I had inserted my own perception as what I was expecting and the professor makes it easy for that to happen by the way he allows various things to be excused in some of the characters. I am being hard, just the way I do things sometimes, I swing to extremes in the assessment, then eventually find balance.

In the previous discussions, everyone else had done the extremes, so it was easier for me to consider what they said, then find my balance before I started discussing it.

 

[DeviantFun]

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You are on the spot here, the growth can be seen only on the occasion with Will and Stephen and even then, it is very mild, all the rest? it is completely devoid of it, I actually think it is a great step back from "accountability" Lacey we got in act 2, that was an almost grown version of Lacey, ready to take responsibility for her actions past and present.

Now we have a spin of the whole table, now all of her issues are MC's fault, because he cannot "let go" which essentially mean forgiving everything and accepting that she can act how the hell she wants, in the end she can simply say she has brain damage.

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Mc simply is written with no agency, he doesn't have an impact and is not allowed to have his feelings, even Isaac is allowed his, but not MC.
This is almost a constant over the whole story, the only problem is that now we went to the deep end of mental health, which makes it a bit hard to digest, as the picture we had before was perfectly fine, it fit the story, and was perfectly usable.

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It is normal to have a reaction in a story you might be invested in, I also think that act 3 is average compared to act 1 and 2 and if you consider Vegas, it is considerably worse.
For the casual reader that do not remember what happened and takes the things that happen at face value maybe it can hold water but if you "keep tabs" it is a different story.

Honestly the letting go and forgiveness angle is probably one of the main issues,the way Anna tells Mc that he should not keep Lacey accountable, Lacey blaming him for not putting his foot down, the whole forgiveness for the college part.
It is simply unrelatable and rushed, there are many ways to not letting things affect you forever, being a doormat is probably the worst of them, you can accept things and not let them affect you without being subservient.

 

[funnythings3785]

You are on the spot here, the growth can be seen only on the occasion with Will and Stephen and even then, it is very mild, all the rest? it is completely devoid of it, I actually think it is a great step back from "accountability" Lacey we got in act 2, that was an almost grown version of Lacey, ready to take responsibility for her actions past and present.

Now we have a spin of the whole table, now all of her issues are MC's fault, because he cannot "let go" which essentially mean forgiving everything and accepting that she can act how the hell she wants, in the end she can simply say she has brain damage.



Mc simply is written with no agency, he doesn't have an impact and is not allowed to have his feelings, even Isaac is allowed his, but not MC.
This is almost a constant over the whole story, the only problem is that now we went to the deep end of mental health, which makes it a bit hard to digest, as the picture we had before was perfectly fine, it fit the story, and was perfectly usable.




It is normal to have a reaction in a story you might be invested in, I also think that act 3 is average compared to act 1 and 2 and if you consider Vegas, it is considerably worse.
For the casual reader that do not remember what happened and takes the things that happen at face value maybe it can hold water but if you "keep tabs" it is a different story.

Honestly the letting go and forgiveness angle is probably one of the main issues,the way Anna tells Mc that he should not keep Lacey accountable, Lacey blaming him for not putting his foot down, the whole forgiveness for the college part.
It is simply unrelatable and rushed, there are many ways to not letting things affect you forever, being a doormat is probably the worst of them, you can accept things and not let them affect you without being subservient.

There was some opportunity but I think it was missed.

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[Avaron1974]

Add in the "I didn't love you" confusion,

Personally I don't think there was any confusion in that hallucination. I think that's his brain finally admitting out loud what he knows deep down.

She doesn't love him, she never did. She NEEDS him for her own well being. He is what has always kept her grounded and safe. She's never done anything for him, it's always been on his shoulders. Without him, she's nothing. Without her, he's free.

She isn't a wife, partner, lover. She's an anchor weighing him down while he drowns.

The only way this ends well for him is if he gets away. He needs to pack up, leave town and start again away from all of them.

There is no happy ending for him there. None of the women are "innocent". Some are better than others but all of them are part of the problem with his mental health.

He won't heal while he's around them.

I'm a huge romance fan and I love happy endings. I don't see any way he gets any love in that relationship. It's going to either kill him or shatter his sanity completely. There is no way it ends well for him unless he gets away.

I know what the prof has in mind but it's not working how he intended it. Lacey isn't a likeable or redeemable character.

 

[DeviantFun]

I think you were expecting to much from act 3

The prof posted this on October, 13th:

Act 3 will continue that path, where we really see how the friends and love interests view the mental problems the MC is trying to overcome. Which is obviously not going very well. This is the story arc of how the MC begins to recognize what's going on internally and how he wants to find a better path for himself. The most important of which is learning to let go. Of course more of the external threat from Barty and company will come to light, and you'll learn more about how deep that conspiracy goes. The MC will also grow closer to the possible secondary LIs and more of Lacey's future plans for the MC will begin to take shape.

And, i´m saying it reluctantly, he kept his promises. The most important issue was that mc acknoledges that he needs therapy and start it.

I was the one wanting to leave or kill Lacey after the Girls Day. I still believe it is by far the worst part of this act. don´t know why he thought it´s a good idea.It didn´t make sense at all.

I have to disagree, on several points:

- MC mental issues didn't just got worse, which I would have been fine with, more nightmares, more anxiety, more PTSD attacks, you name it, they instead became crazyness to the highest degree.
The people around him would be worried and affected, and he could still end up leaving due to him not being able to accept things and find this better path, without delusions or whatever.
Learning to let go is important for the author, but it really sounds an upgraded version of "come on man get over it!".
It would be best if it was dialled back quite a bit.

There are plenty of grievances and damages that have been done to MC, he could accept and forgive how Lacey acted as a kid, the rest? Knowing what has been added in this last act? Not so much.

The main issue, I think, is that the author fell in love with writing Lacey and fetishizing her damage, while MC is now an afterthought, treated as a problem.
You can see it in the low agency he has in everything that happens, from the KW, to the "reparation day" which was, again, lackluster and mildly infuriating (roofing seems to be the new way to become best friends).

MC issues are not seen from the point of view of "the guy needs to heal because I he is unwell" it is seen more towards " the guy needs to heal because he is a nuisance and we are all tired of it".

- Speaking of Vegas, Lacey went in and explained her whole life to a stranger, in a hotel hall, with her husband present (which might want to keep their stuff private, you know?) and then makes him recite the rules like a kid that has to recite a poem for school.
The rules are intimate, they are something between MC and Lacey, why would a stranger would be entitled to it? Why does MC goes along with it when it took more than twice the time to just do that in front of Lacey?

Lacey cheated on him again, anyone that has more than 2 brain cells or has been in the scene knows full well that what happened in the dungeon is not ok and it is 100% cheating, but he is not allowed to think so, he needs to accept it and stfu.

Not only that, I understand not knowing about drugs, but Lacey is under medication and she keeps on gulping alcohol without issues.
Did you know that ex reacts badly to alcohol and VERY badly with medication? I did cause of experience, but you can look it up on google in 3 seconds top.

It was really like reading a copy of some act 1 + act 2 scenes with a different background and essentially having Mia2 stirring up shit, because why not trying to ruin the anniversary of two strangers and have her sister and a friend just go along with it.

For whoever thinks Mia improved, she might have here and there, but she made a BET on Abby stirring up shit with MC and Lacey, on their anniversary.
But obviously her focus was not Lacey,it was MC, because why not?

It was just forced drama for the sake of it, which made everything lose weight, it is just shock value that did not actually help the story at all.

- A good thing is that Lacey now had a glimpse of an altercation with Mia, nothing much, not enough, not even remotely so.
But I would also like to see THAT growth and have characters see consequences.

There was some opportunity but I think it was missed.

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I never subscried to the theory that 2 wrongs make 1 right.

I would also like to see MC and Lacey grow, but mistreating her "so they can get even" is just a bs concept that doesn't work and is out of character for MC.

The sad part is that we never seen Lacey or anyone of the girls with serious remorse, a remorse that affects her badly and is felt to the core.

I do not blame the many posters that we had over these months that say they only see words and excuses without real action.

This is what is missing, everytime something bad happens Mc gets a weak apology and sometimes a very disappointing "reward".

Jeanette is a completely different character than what we know now, she is an unapologetic bitch that has esseintially fucked over his boss, his friend and the person she says she loves.
No attempt to return the items, no attempt to return the money, no attempt to properly apologize, just a "hey I am sorry but wow your clothes look good today".

Mia was promised a monetary bailout, she essentially stole 500 dollars from MC already, yet we do not see her attempt anything, aside from whatever bullshit Mia2 tried to achieve with that lackluster and very disappointing last day.
But hey, everything is forgiven, MC did the helicopter! He must be happy now!

But coming back to your point, I am not interested into having an edgy MC that goes around and makes people suffer for the sake of it, he was not written like that and you need to respect the character, but at least the ability to stand up for himself (at least to everyone not named Lacey) and keep them accountable.
Heck it would be even better if the other characters with XX chromosomes were able to have some consequences at all, self inflicted or otherwise.

I know what the prof has in mind but it's not working how he intended it. Lacey isn't a likeable or redeemable character.

This can be said for many of his characters (see: Mia) and the list keeps on growing (see: Jeanette, Abby, Kelly), I think he needs to be way more careful with them.

He cannot bend them to the story constantly because he needs a kick out of shock value, they become something else and as we say over here: "a falling tree makes more noise than a growing forest" which roughly means that a bad act can cancel out many good ones.

 

[funnythings3785]

I never subscried to the theory that 2 wrongs make 1 right.

I would also like to see MC and Lacey grow, but mistreating her "so they can get even" is just a bs concept that doesn't work and is out of character for MC.

The sad part is that we never seen Lacey or anyone of the girls with serious remorse, a remorse that affects her badly and is felt to the core.

I do not blame the many posters that we had over these months that say they only see words and excuses without real action.

This is what is missing, everytime something bad happens Mc gets a weak apology and sometimes a very disappointing "reward".

Jeanette is a completely different character than what we know now, she is an unapologetic bitch that has esseintially fucked over his boss, his friend and the person she says she loves.
No attempt to return the items, no attempt to return the money, no attempt to properly apologize, just a "hey I am sorry but wow your clothes look good today".

Mia was promised a monetary bailout, she essentially stole 500 dollars from MC already, yet we do not see her attempt anything, aside from whatever bullshit Mia2 tried to achieve with that lackluster and very disappointing last day.
But hey, everything is forgiven, MC did the helicopter! He must be happy now!

But coming back to your point, I am not interested into having an edgy MC that goes around and makes people suffer for the sake of it, he was not written like that and you need to respect the character, but at least the ability to stand up for himself (at least to everyone not named Lacey) and keep them accountable.
Heck it would be even better if the other characters with XX chromosomes were able to have some consequences at all, self inflicted or otherwise.

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[MightbeSomeone]

This is not ntr. Its insanity.
ntr is stealing someone from another without them knowing by the person stolen either cheating or actually tricked into cheating. It also has the element that the one the person was stolen from doesnt know what is really going on or actually caused the theft by their own actions or lack of actions
Classic NTR in western civ is King Author.

this game as well done as it is and with showing as much damage to lacy and the mc is NOT ntr.

there is no theft - lacy gives it away and the mc allows it to occur, over and over again.

 

[funnythings3785]

Personally I don't think there was any confusion in that hallucination. I think that's his brain finally admitting out loud what he knows deep down.

She doesn't love him, she never did. She NEEDS him for her own well being. He is what has always kept her grounded and safe. She's never done anything for him, it's always been on his shoulders. Without him, she's nothing. Without her, he's free.

She isn't a wife, partner, lover. She's an anchor weighing him down while he drowns.

The only way this ends well for him is if he gets away. He needs to pack up, leave town and start again away from all of them.

There is no happy ending for him there. None of the women are "innocent". Some are better than others but all of them are part of the problem with his mental health.

He won't heal while he's around them.

I'm a huge romance fan and I love happy endings. I don't see any way he gets any love in that relationship. It's going to either kill him or shatter his sanity completely. There is no way it ends well for him unless he gets away.

I know what the prof has in mind but it's not working how he intended it. Lacey isn't a likeable or redeemable character.

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[DeviantFun]

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I like your idea, at this point we are very into the realm of fiction about mental health, MC is still MC, but has an amnesia that cut off Lacey and his youth.

Tbh I would still have him remember Anna and Kelly for example, but everything related to Lacey is gone, Mia included (not sure why I am smiling thinking about it haha).

MC from this point on would still have some memory issues, but would be finally competent and able to work on his life, with a nagging feeling he was forgetting something important, maybe a flash of memory here and there to keep the suspense.

This is obviously all the the realm of hyperfiction, and would be less "gritty" but also MC and Lacey's current problems are in this realm, they are moving slowly towards a "lets see what we can cram in" scenario, compared to the more down to earth act 1 and 2.

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100% it is not just lip service, there are several hard facts that are contradicted, this is obviously a retcon or simply needs to be explained better.

Such as: "I "loved" him but I never gave anything to him to show for it, I abused him with my narcissism and used his caring nature to save myself.
I lied to myself that by leaving him I would be able to heal and come back giving everything he needed, emotionally and physically."

This would put the love discussion on a different level, but we have the phrase that she only felt connected to him, which throws everything down the drain.
A bit of a big misstep, but it all falls into the respect of the characters and being careful with them, no matter which idea or drama you want to put down.

 

[Avaron1974]

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That's the problem and the disconnect I mentioned in an earlier post.

The devs aim from what's been said is Lacey's plan for her to be the main girl for the MC and him to have a little harem of women around him.

That was the goal, that was what it was building to.

The disconnect is that's not what the game is showing.

We're seeing a woman that doesn't know what love is mentally destroy a man that's in love with the idea of a Lacey that lives in his head but not the real Lacey. A man that's surrounded by women who are all bad for him to differing degrees.

What was supposedly a dramatic tale of eventual romance is instead a story of a man mentally shattered by people that claim to care but obviously don't.

That's further disconnected by people having their own theory about what's going on and levels of hatred towards to the girls.

The only thing people do seem to agree on is not seeing a love story.

The drama is just being laid on a bit too thick. Now he's throwing in conspiracies and more shit on to a man that's already at snapping point.

Like I said in a previous comment, it's torture porn without the gore. We've had 3 episodes of watching a man being mentally tortured and now prof is saying this broken man is going to be able to handle groups conspiring against him .... no, it will be more torture on top of what he's already endured.

It's getting to a point where it's just painful to watch. Watching a man being brought to his lowest and people still keep piling it on him.

If I was more like the man hating side of the lesbian community then this would be a great story. I'm not and it's getting to a point where it's just not enjoyable to see.

 

[funnythings3785]

That's the problem and the disconnect I mentioned in an earlier post.

The devs aim from what's been said is Lacey's plan for her to be the main girl for the MC and him to have a little harem of women around him.

That was the goal, that was what it was building to.

The disconnect is that's not what the game is showing.

We're seeing a woman that doesn't know what love is mentally destroy a man that's in love with the idea of a Lacey that lives in his head but not the real Lacey. A man that's surrounded by women who are all bad for him to differing degrees.

What was supposedly a dramatic tale of eventual romance is instead a story of a man mentally shattered by people that claim to care but obviously don't.

That's further disconnected by people having their own theory about what's going on and levels of hatred towards to the girls.

The only thing people do seem to agree on is not seeing a love story.

The drama is just being laid on a bit too thick. Now he's throwing in conspiracies and more shit on to a man that's already at snapping point.

Like I said in a previous comment, it's torture porn without the gore. We've had 3 episodes of watching a man being mentally tortured and now prof is saying this broken man is going to be able to handle groups conspiring against him .... no, it will be more torture on top of what he's already endured.

It's getting to a point where it's just painful to watch. Watching a man being brought to his lowest and people still keep piling it on him.

If I was more like the man hating side of the lesbian community then this would be a great story. I'm not and it's getting to a point where it's just not enjoyable to see.

The last part I am noticing as well. I am seeing a lot of things that concern me, from political inserts and reasoning when they are completely out of place and obvious virtual signaling, to typical feminist absolution of consequence and responsibility. This story does seem to keep heading that direction.

I liked initially how the MC was, but we keep going more and more away from him... and the situations are getting more ridiculous in how the MC is treated while at the same time they are all absolved and portrayed as victims or innocents.

I am half expected to see the end result be a wake of the MC with all his caring loving girls reminiscing about how much they cared for him and will miss him while they are having an orgy with all of Lacey's past involvements over his coffin, you know... because it is reclaiming... in the MCs name! I know I am being facetious, but at this direction, we are dangerously heading down a path where the MC no longer has any form of reasoning to segregate him from the typical NTR prop MC.

 

[DeviantFun]

In addition to what the two posters above me wrote, I would like to add that there is another poignant moment that for me is completely mishandled:

When MC tries to find something sexual that only he and Lacey could have (a topic I mentioned over and over), Lacey is completely neutral, aside from empty words about love (which is now extremely shaken by the new reveals) she doesn't despair, she doesn't feel it.

Instead she proposes to have sex with Mia, another thing where MC is just stringed along and has no agency over, I would remind everyone that you can refuse her completely in act 1 and she has no sex related things in act 2, heck just in this act MC mentions that he feels colder towards her after the issues she created.
It doesn't make a lick of sense if you ask me unless MC goes full NTR cardboard character.

Back to Lacey, she cries every two seconds for minor stuff, yet she incapable of showing any emotion when the man she supposedly love is looking for a piece of her? Something only for him? Wasn't the kiss the only thing she kept for him? (guess not after bastion and morty) or even some outfit and bdsm play? ah no wait, that has been just taken away because "that is what she wanted the most".
The phrase MC says at that moment "you can't ask for anything ever again" gave me a lot of hope, and yet nothing happened because consequences do not exist.

So no emotions and just dropping another girl as a stand in, which honestly would have made me furious, but I guess MC is so inconsequential and dickheaded that it was enough to be happy.

 

[funnythings3785]

In addition to what the two posters above me wrote, I would like to add that there is another poignant moment that for me is completely mishandled:


The phrase MC says at that moment "you can't ask for anything ever again" gave me a lot of hope, and yet nothing happened because consequences do not exist.

I completely forgot about that, yeah... I was like... ok this is going to be good when we get to something, he is going to put his foot down finally, but nope... memory holed... "look at Lacey, she is a strong powerful woman now!"

Add in Lorenzo, and yeah... Fuck... she should have said "nope, I don't care what Lorenzo wants, tell him to fuck off..."

For that matter, if she was going to go through with the "talk" as she did, why the fuck didn't she pull her "speech" from the bedroom then? Hell, if she wanted to score some points, she should have made the MC wait at the door to listen in, unloaded on the little turd, then unloaded all the weight of his actions that were harming the MC... that would at least have been her "trying" to stand up for the MC in her own way and do some repair in that scenario...

Instead, we get.. "Oh, come play the bull, you can cuck him and oh, I am still going to touch him and his spunk, but you will be happy because I praise you the entire time!" as if an emotionally sensitive guy like the MC would even stand for that fucking humiliation in the first place of another.

In that situation, thinking about it, it is simply one more example of how fucking cruel and uncaring she truly is of the MC.

Fuck I hate her even more now.

 

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I completely forgot about that, yeah... I was like... ok this is going to be good when we get to something, he is going to put his foot down finally, but nope... memory holed... "look at Lacey, she is a strong powerful woman now!"

Add in Lorenzo, and yeah... Fuck... she should have said "nope, I don't care what Lorenzo wants, tell him to fuck off..."

For that matter, if she was going to go through with the "talk" as she did, why the fuck didn't she pull her "speech" from the bedroom then? Hell, if she wanted to score some points, she should have made the MC wait at the door to listen in, unloaded on the little turd, then unloaded all the weight of his actions that were harming the MC... that would at least have been her "trying" to stand up for the MC in her own way and do some repair in that scenario...

Instead, we get.. "Oh, come play the bull, you can cuck him and oh, I am still going to touch him and his spunk, but you will be happy because I praise you the entire time!" as if an emotionally sensitive guy like the MC would even stand for that fucking humiliation in the first place of another.

In that situation, thinking about it, it is simply one more example of how fucking cruel and uncaring she truly is of the MC.

Fuck I hate her even more now.

That was a completely tacked on scene, Lacey hates Lorenzo (contradicts EVERYTHING we know from act 1) or she is at least very cross with him, yet she gives in with his demands.
I don't know, there was no buildup, no setting, no nothing.
We even discover that Lorenzo did not ask more of Lacey, she just "perceived" it, I guess K can make you understand people deeply.

All we know is that Lacey was EXTREMELY against being shared, it is reapeated over and over, now she comes out and tells MC, "hey baby share me please, I don't care either way".

What the hell? At least create buildup, make Lorenzo plead to both MC and Lacey, make MC feel sorry for him akin to what happened to Isaac and THEN and only THEN attempt something like this, we already had a rough canvas of MC being able to accept these people in his life, why not use it?

In the same vein both Isaac and Stephen get a pass each because of "their past together" but then we discovered that Stephen wasn't nice at all, which was the staple of their relationship, that he did not ask for more from her before getting ghosted.
Isaac even gets one last fuck after the MC call in college and MC doesn't say shit about it (I have my theory about this).

Look I can pinpoint the issue as follows:

This was a journey that Lacey and MC had to do together (the paths were a way to heal together), instead it turned out to be a completely separate and unbalanced trip.

Lacey fucks up? ehh but she is braindamaged.

MC gets angry or simply sit there like the cardboard that he is? hey you are hurting Lacey with your behaviour, you need to forgive her.

Like MC is not completely messed up... or does not deserve to feel the way he feels.

I will go again towards my old leitmotiv, everyone "loves" MC but no one cares about him.

And all the hate towards Lacey is caused by how many situations are mishandled.