VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 3] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[funnythings3785]

Ok. Unless I missed something on my run, MC does not know where she is attending college, she won't reply to his messages, and he doesn't know about any other friends she had at home to ask... ...how on earth could anyone be expected to go "save" her from an unknown place--a place that she went to so she could learn to stand on her own two feet (a reason not to interfere)?

That is my understanding as well... but even if he did know, keep in mind his character, how he has "learned" to respect her boundaries to the point of extremism. He knows that Lacey already said "I am going to do this... I will return when I have completed this that I am doing" and... he has "reached out" to verify her intent and with the messages, he sees she has read them and so he may have understood that as "allow her to do what she wanted to do, give her space... she asked for this and she knows because she read my responses".

This is my point, there is a very "narrow" argument to be made that "well, duh... he should have gone anyway!", but then.. the MC doesn't think like this, he adjusts to Lacey as she requires... and by reading his responses, not responding, it is reasonable for him to assume... this is what she wants... for him to... keep waiting... to be on hold as she does what she claimed she set out to do.

Is it rational to the normal person? No. Is it for him? I would say yes. He is merely doing what he was instructed to do in order to keep her in a state she is comfortable with. I mean, if she were in pain, if she were having issues, would she not respond in any way? He sent her a 100 messages, certainly if she needed something, she could respond in ANY way? I mean... if she simply responded with "iowqueoinfqo" I can guarantee he would have set out to find her and help her. She responded with nothing, but he knew she read it... she must not want him to come... she must not want him to do anything, he should just wait until she does need something.

That is what I got from the situation, but maybe I am wrong.

 

[Lady Lydia]

Well, I wouldn't call any retaliation by the MC to be "cliche" to be honest. Most (not all) NTR favors the FC as the Heroine, however shady like it is reasoned, the MC "rarely" ends with a revenge ending. So if he were to do something like that, honestly... I would be surprised.

Outside of that, yes... if he follows the "Traditional" obvious angles where the MC becomes a cuck, where Lacey gets her happy ending without the MC, or the MC becomes converted into a sex starved guy who shares her (still a cuck ending IMO) that would be a "traditional" NTR ending.

So he has to operate outside of those means which is as you say, he dies, she dies... or... non-traditional result where he gets a happy ending and maybe she doesn't get him, but gets to "view from the outside".

The reality is, to have an ending in this that doesn't result in a traditional NTR, Lacey has to have a negative (outside of her changing and becoming a better person), which I don't see happening because the professor is attached so much to her. At best, we can find some ending where the MC and Lacey are together, but likely due to him being at fault and coming to terms... with maybe Lacey not wanting to partake in the "experiments" or other behavior, but honestly... I think the MC is going to be the one who loses out here in some way... that is.... unless the professor magically absolves her of her behavior and issues near the end, but since they are not seen as the "problem", I am not sure that is what we will get.

The MC sharing Lacey isn't NTR, its NTS, which is different enough for the Dev to be able to justify going for it. If the MC ends up having his mind changed to a state where he isn't jealous anymore and accept her earlier notion that 'it doesn't matter' he might accept her fucking around, and even that I am not sure I'd called 'sharing' since its not so much like he'd offer her to another man so much as he'd let her just go for it of her own free will as she see fit.

Hell the story has already strong indications NTS is planned for the future, with Yue quite possibly, like I said previously the way I see the scene in Act 3 with her at the restaurant is he is telling her to take Bradley as a boyfriend and if he doesn't do it for her the MC will 'figure it out' which as I said sounds very much like it mean he would Netori her, or possibly arrange some swinging with Yue & Bradley.

NTR is typically the MC losing his LI, either she leave, either he leave, either he kills her corrupter and still lose her because they end up in prison or something of the sort, or he kill both the corrupter and LI, the point I am making is loss is the very most cliche aspect of NTR. So any ending where Lacey is promiscuous but the MC allow it wouldn't be considered NTR, buts NTS.

 

[NewGuy2022]

That is my understanding as well... but even if he did know, keep in mind his character, how he has "learned" to respect her boundaries to the point of extremism. He knows that Lacey already said "I am going to do this... I will return when I have completed this that I am doing" and... he has "reached out" to verify her intent and with the messages, he sees she has read them and so he may have understood that as "allow her to do what she wanted to do, give her space... she asked for this and she knows because she read my responses".

This is my point, there is a very "narrow" argument to be made that "well, duh... he should have gone anyway!", but then.. the MC doesn't think like this, he adjusts to Lacey as she requires... and by reading his responses, not responding, it is reasonable for him to assume... this is what she wants... for him to... keep waiting... to be on hold as she does what she claimed she set out to do.

Is it rational to the normal person? No. Is it for him? I would say yes. He is merely doing what he was instructed to do in order to keep her in a state she is comfortable with. I mean, if she were in pain, if she were having issues, would she not respond in any way? He sent her a 100 messages, certainly if she needed something, she could respond in ANY way? I mean... if she simply responded with "iowqueoinfqo" I can guarantee he would have set out to find her and help her. She responded with nothing, but he knew she read it... she must not want him to come... she must not want him to do anything, he should just wait until she does need something.

That is what I got from the situation, but maybe I am wrong.

Well, I got that too, so I don't see how he was supposed to save her. Which likely is exactly what she wanted him to do and is holding against him since he didn't (wife logic). I assumed she was ghosting him and I became upset with him for not going the Anna route at that point. He could've had such a good life with her and just moved on... ...what a waste.

 

[monkeyqueen]

This probably is the most frustrating part of the story for me. I don't know which content really is content and which will be explained away later as "brain damage", etc. It's really hard to accept how an NPC can go from evil to good (or the opposite) so quickly within the story. It seems fake and makes me, the reader, question the NPC's motives, intent, and credibility.

I restarted the story and am noticing things either I missed before or didn't recognize as important on my first run-though. Even when Lacey isn't cheating on her husband, the way she behaves makes it appear she is; I didn't appreciate just how serious her gaslighting is on my first run. I find it hard to accept the assertion that she loves him when I see her treating him the way she does.

She's not gaslighting. If you are seeing that it's because you want to. She does keep things from him - like failing to tell him what she is doing to encourage harem members to boost his ego - but she really hasn't lied while the MC lies time and time again.

The MC did know where she went to college.

Also NTR strories DO NOT end with the MC at fault. It would fantastic is this one ended this way. NTRS stories often end that way but in the classic NTR story the bull and the wife at fault - the bull for being a sociopath and the wife for being cheating slut seduced by a big dick and rough sex. The NTR cuck is a good guy - which is why I love this story. In it the "nice guy" is actually a revolting cock.

 

[funnythings3785]

The MC sharing Lacey isn't NTR, its NTS, which is different enough for the Dev to be able to justify going for it. If the MC ends up having his mind changed to a state where he isn't jealous anymore and accept her earlier notion that 'it doesn't matter' he might accept her fucking around, and even that I am not sure I'd called 'sharing' since its not so much like he'd offer her to another man so much as he let her just goes for it of her own free will as she see fit.

Hell the story has already strong indications NTS is planned for the future, with Yue quite possibly, like I said previously the way I see the scene in Act 3 with her at the restaurant is he is telling her to take Bradley as a boyfriend and if he doesn't do it for her the MC will 'figure it out' which as I said sounds very much like it mean he would Netori her, or possibly arrange some swinging with Yue & Bradley.

NTR is typically the MC losing his LI, either she leave, either he leave, either he kills her corrupter and still lose her because they end up in prison or something of the sort, or he kill both the corrupter and LI, the point I am making is loss if a the very cliche aspect of NTR. So any ending where Lacey is promiscuous but the MC allow it wouldn't be considered NTR, buts NTS.

Sharing (NTS) is still cuckolding, it is just approved cuckolding under "specific" conditions. I won't argue over the "rationalizing" of it, lets just say... approving your wife being screwed by another or not doesn't change anything other than the approval, the action is still the same whether the person feels betrayed by the action or not. For the MC to end up where he watches his wife get gang banged "approvingly" would be a simple formality, especially when the entire concept of getting him to that "approval" was to "condition" him to accept it. The reality is the same whether is watched or known.

All the NTS is "player driven" (as per the professors * conditions in the "genre" selection. There are specific means to which it is forced, for story purposes, but this is not an NTR game in that respect, nor an NTS game either and some have pointed out, you can easily play the game without interacting with most of the women, AND you actually retain higher GG points by doing so... I wonder why?

I am familiar with NTR, more specifically Netorare. I would say a story where the MC is "brainwashed" and make no mistake, "conditioning" the MC to be accepting to such things when he is adamantly opposed to them is "brainwashing" him to an eventual result and if that result is to get him to accept his wife fucking around, I would call that... a Netorare ending, just a bunch of "legalese" in the process to getting him to accept it. Add in the fact that the MC has mental issues concerning all of this, I would call that a "Severely Demoralized Abuse" ending where the FC has broken the MC for her own individual pleasures.

 

[monkeyqueen]

The code has lines for both NTS and NTRS - the later being a situation where the cuck encourages cheating but the cheating is hidden from view or only revealed by a third party

 

[funnythings3785]

Here is another thing to think about...

Considering everything up to Act 3.

How does Lacey view being shared? (Act 1 or 2, I cant remember the specific dialogue)

How does she view a man who would allow his woman to be shared. (Act 3)

How does Lacey view the MC being shared with other women? (Act 1,2,3 reactions to MC with other women)

hmm...

 

[krailor]

Props to Professor Amethyst, this is certainly the most interesting game on the site. After finishing Act 3 I went back and replayed from the start and took notes as I went thinking about the characters and their motivations. That's an insane amount of analysis for a porn game; every other game on this site I'll play it, jerk it, and then forget about it until the next update. Honestly after replaying it I'm not even sure if I like it...but I am obsessed with it.

I think my biggest gripe with the game is that the Dev wants to portray something similar to real life where people make progress and then regress over and over again. In real life this process might happen over the span of a decade plus so the struggle makes sense and is justified. However, doing this in a game where the player is watching characters make progress and then almost immediately regress again and again over the span of a few hours becomes incredibly frustrating and really starts to impact their enjoyment of the game.

One other nitpicky thing that stuck out to me is when you're choosing a name for Lacey to call you during the punish/slut events you're able to choose Daddy as an option. From a standard porn game perspective that makes perfect sense; it's a pretty common term to use for a male partner. But in this game....with this story....you should take a pretty big Good Guy hit for making Lacey call you that.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

How does Lacey view being shared? (Act 1 or 2, I cant remember the specific dialogue)

She tells she doesnt wanna be, and that she would only do it at the insistence of MC...(even has one part that mentions, that only would do it if it wont cause harm to him) Now... what she says and what she does are very different things... Like she admits she would say anything...

How does she view a man who would allow his woman to be shared. (Act 3)

From the convo with Lorenzo at the library... She advices him to never do that (the being cucked) in a relationship that he is not willing to loose or end... that its not healthy for his mental sanity, etc... Please Please Please notice the fucking irony of her advice in that conversation after what she has done to MC and what she had him accept.

How does Lacey view the MC being shared with other women?

She separates sex and love... only for herself. Or at least she says she does, or thats what she wants to convice herself she does. Who knows after Act 3?

What she has showed in reaction to MC with others is jealosy (the very same reactions that MC has). From the attitude after the sex with Kelly during the free pass week... to the recent 3 girls before the talk with Isaac... This last one showing to her what is like to be on the other side of the fence (in a very minor, very tame, way) for a while.

Again, she does not separate sex and love when it comes to MC, only on her actions, making MC view her version(probably self delusion) of the world but not seeing his side or even allowing to apply her version to him... Only thing on that as a defense is that she prepared herself to take a few hits due her actions, Anna for example during the free pass... She has accepted some "losses" due her behaviour, and even then, those are heavily policed, so she has some control on the situation... (Kelly for example was outside her control and caused the conflict)



funnythings3785 Seriously dude, join the discord, we want to see you there.

 

[monkeyqueen]

But in this game....with this story....you should take a pretty big Good Guy hit for making Lacey call you that.

Really, really good point. I think the prof has written the MC to be a "nice guy", never a good guy and it really comes out in the sex scenes.

 

[Arithil]

I mean it's supposed to be a punishment

 

[NewGuy2022]

There will be more bad endings than good ones, the story has outlined, in my opinion, only 2 truly positive scenarios for MC, and 5 disastrous ones, one would be the separation, the death of the characters due to the landowners, FMC becoming the slut again and ending up not NTR of the heavy ones, or MC being locked up because he's crazy, there are more indications of bad endings, than bad endings, good ones, a Harem ending for MC, and the love ending of the couple, the rest just bad endings.

Interesting perspective. I view separation as positive for the MC but negative for Lacey; yes, it will be painful for the MC until he learns to cope but if he separates *and* gets extensive therapy he'll be better off as a "person" long term.

I would view all of the other endings you list as negative for the MC. The harem, orchestrated by Lacey, is just another way for her to manipulate him (since she would control the girls and his access to them) and I have a lot of trouble viewing the couple remaining together as a loving ending for the MC. Lacey gets a lot out of that because she continues to keep him as her crutch while enjoying herself as she torments him... ...unless the dev is going to pull another Crazy Ivan in Act 4 or later where suddenly Lacey suddenly turns good and we learn the whole thing was just in the MC's head...

I'm not saying that I see her deliberately scheming ways to torture him but I do see her turning a blind eye toward how much what she does hurts him. The lies, the gaslighting, these things just show a total lack of care or respect for her partner.

The only way I can see the MC remaining in the relationship is if she wears him down into being submissive to her and, yes, cuckolding him either literally or at least figuratively. I don't view this as a positive loving relationship. Their views on honesty, respect, intimacy, etc., are just too far apart for them to remain a good couple. Notice how she works so hard to change his ethics on intimacy and its relationship to love within a marriage?

I can see the 2 of them learning to get along somewhat but I can't see how the MC could trust her after all she has done (and continues to do) to him. Admittedly, I loathe her character as dev has written her up to this point and I freely admit bias in my assessment. I'm not exactly fond of the MC, either, for his willful refusal to step up for himself and improve.

 

[monkeyqueen]

I have a lot of trouble viewing the couple remaining together as a loving ending for the MC. Lacey gets a lot out of that because she continues to keep him as her crutch while enjoying herself as she torments him... ...unless the dev is going to pull another Crazy Ivan in Act 4 or later where suddenly Lacey suddenly turns good and we learn the whole thing was just in the MC's head...

NewGuy2022 you've probably blocked me but I'll explain this anyone for anyone who might read this. To understand why this not the case you need to review the scenes in office between the MC and Kelly. Gristle explodes into a fit of anger and Kelly has to run into the hallway to make sure no one is hearing this.

Kelly starts acting just like Lacey, accepting the anger, soothing his feelings etc and etc. He is slowly making Kelly into Lacey - a doormat who will accept his abuse and only return love. "The Crew" have a delusional view that the MC would be better off without Lacey because the misunderstand him - he will just make another Lacey if he loses her.

They can't see the real Gristle because they've not been slapped, choked or verbally abused by him (yet)

That incidentally is part of Lacey's plan - she wanted (consciously or not) for the other harem members to understand they are entering a relationship with a very dark king who wants to rape them and break their minds.

There will be no happiness for Gristle unless he confronts his misogyny. Only his therapist can do that.

 

[DeviantFun]

This probably is the most frustrating part of the story for me. I don't know which content really is content and which will be explained away later as "brain damage", etc. It's really hard to accept how an NPC can go from evil to good (or the opposite) so quickly within the story. It seems fake and makes me, the reader, question the NPC's motives, intent, and credibility.

I restarted the story and am noticing things either I missed before or didn't recognize as important on my first run-though. Even when Lacey isn't cheating on her husband, the way she behaves makes it appear she is; I didn't appreciate just how serious her gaslighting is on my first run. I find it hard to accept the assertion that she loves him when I see her treating him the way she does.

This is the way, L&J in a fast first read is packed with events, especially act 1 and you often do not have time to stop and understand what the fuck is happening (unless you're on the spectrum and a bottle changing place during a movie scene ruins the movie for you).

If you read two or three times and are already desentizised to the shock value and forced drama, you start to see the cracks and holes.
With this rollercoaster with events, I cannot blame all the people with very bad takes.

Have you noticed how after saying "we won't be friends" both Mia and MC become best friends? How did that happen?
Mia loves Mc after talking 2 times and berating him for months?
MC just goes along and forgets everything that happened?
Considering that Mia had a big part on Lacey self destruction?
Does he still like her after she tries to get Lacey back on K to steal him from her?

But as the Prof says, MC loves Mia. (How? When?)
And we know why, as she is a mandatory LI.

Or how Jeanette disliked Lacey but bonded with her with some healthy MC humiliation and gaslighting? (way to destroy a character btw).

It is full of stuff like this, over and over, for two main reasons:

• The characters do not matter, what matters is the scene, so the characters have to bend to that, who cares if they are totally inconsistent
• Drama has to be the king at all times, we never see relationships grow naturally as there was never time reserved for that, do you know that the only time we see MC and Lacey do something together by themselves that is not talking or arguing is a single line in the no fun path? We know they go to the movies thanks to an asnwer in the king weekend.

So with these two elements (add the magical drugs crutch of which I could write for hours) you will always find extreme character variation and changes that would make no sense.

Try to read Kelly in act 1 and then read her in act 3 and tell me if she sounds even remotely like the same character.
Do the same with Jeanette.
Try Christine act 1 and act 2.
And so on and so forth.
I will not add Isaac as the prof already commented that he needed to change him for story purposes.

So, while I definitely love the fast paced releases, I would trade a month more between them to get a more consistent story, without forgotten plot points or forced expositions (hello act 3 vegas and therapist).

 

[Lady Lydia]

Sharing (NTS) is still cuckolding, it is just approved cuckolding under "specific" conditions. I won't argue over the "rationalizing" of it, lets just say... approving your wife being screwed by another or not doesn't change anything other than the approval, the action is still the same whether the person feels betrayed by the action or not. For the MC to end up where he watches his wife get gang banged "approvingly" would be a simple formality, especially when the entire concept of getting him to that "approval" was to "condition" him to accept it. The reality is the same whether is watched or known.

All the NTS is "player driven" (as per the professors * conditions in the "genre" selection. There are specific means to which it is forced, for story purposes, but this is not an NTR game in that respect, nor an NTS game either and some have pointed out, you can easily play the game without interacting with most of the women, AND you actually retain higher GG points by doing so... I wonder why?

I am familiar with NTR, more specifically Netorare. I would say a story where the MC is "brainwashed" and make no mistake, "conditioning" the MC to be accepting to such things when he is adamantly opposed to them is "brainwashing" him to an eventual result and if that result is to get him to accept his wife fucking around, I would call that... a Netorare ending, just a bunch of "legalese" in the process to getting him to accept it. Add in the fact that the MC has mental issues concerning all of this, I would call that a "Severely Demoralized Abuse" ending where the FC has broken the MC for her own individual pleasures.

You do know 'conditioning' is from a narrative perspective its what we call character development, do you think you are who you are nowadays without having been conditioned heavily to become it? You are conditioned by your parents to think some way, conditioned by your peers to think some way, conditioned by your education to think some way, conditioned by your entertainment to think some way, conditioned by the media to think some way, conditioned by the government to think some way, etc... and that include being conditioned by your partner to behave in a way which is more appreciable for them, if you think otherwise you are naive, you are fundamentally conditioned against your will by so many different forces in the world to be what you are now, and if you think all those forces do it in support of your current leanings, nope, if you think they do it for your benefice, nope.

The point is you see any changes to the character personality induced by anyone else as 'conditioning' well yea but if you think its abnormal you have lived in a cave for a very long time. Its how society has and will always work at anywhere from the micro level to macro level. Its life as a human being. Sure every now and then a change is born out of self reflection, but that is a minority of the changes someone undergoes in their life, the majority are induced by external forces.

You can complain about this, but what are you doing in real life? Have you taken to activism to change the world? Or do you just either accept or escape reality in fiction? Their is a reason the world is shit, because 99% of the population have been conditioned to ignore the fundamental issues that afflict society, so they just stand by as everything goes to Hell. If you expect fictional stories to be any different you ignore the fact that all fictions are based to some degree in reality.

Anyhow if at the end the MC agree of his own free will to be in a NTS relationship with Lacey, because thru this story his mindset on the subject has been changed, well it is what it is, its character growth, just not in the direction you like it. And before you think I am a fan of NTS, I am not, I am not arguing all of this because the idea of the MC & Lacey being in a NTS relationship makes me wet, it doesn't, I am for effectively in for a harem ending, aka 'big family', you can say it doesn't match the MC & Lacey's personality, but it doesn't really matter when their mindset on things have been changing all along the story, Hell Lacey is just about there in Act 3, after hearing Veronica talk about wanting a big family, she seem to like this idea, so she obviously is getting there, the MC will probably be there by the end of Act 4 after having a major mental breakdown as we can expect at this point for him to have.

As they say the road to Hell is paved with good intentions and its quite possible that by Act 5 the two of them will have progressed from being willing to go for a 'big family' to being able to accept the idea of each others fucking other people, allowing for NTS to be justifiable within the story.

Look if you go in any stories with the notion that the characters are going to remain static from start to the end, well you missed the point of having a story. If you say its some fundamental aspect of them, sure maybe at the start, and its why they are undergoing significant emotional upheavels, as a force that cause a change in their personality, you ignore all those stories where the character start one way and end the opposite way by the end, its very common for the coward or shy to become brave its a very typical idea. Do you think this happen just because of the character having self reflection? Or because the narrative force the MC to face a reality they aren't able to handle and which they are driven by external forces to change to be able to deal with?

Now don't worry if you are incapable of handling anything except pure vanilla, you'll probably get something passable as an ending and you'll be able to ignore everything else, an ending which ignore much of the story's character development and try to revert everything back to a shadow of what it was at the start, likely with neither characters quite satisfied because the narrative will have changed them to not quite fit that mold anymore.

 

[NewGuy2022]

She tells she doesnt wanna be, and that she would only do it at the insistence of MC...(even has one part that mentions, that only would do it if it wont cause harm to him) Now... what she says and what she does are very different things... Like she admits she would say anything...

To me, she wants control. Could this be a reaction to her abuse at the hands of her father? When she gets to decide whom she shags, she's okay with that. She doesn't want her husband to direct her activities. She's not being shared when she decides to betray her husband with other men without his consent; she's cheating and clearly she's okay with it when she gets to do it. I don't accept for one moment that she is having sex with other men "to help the MC."

From the convo with Lorenzo at the library... She advices him to never do that (the being cucked) in a relationship that he is not willing to loose or end... that its not healthy for his mental sanity, etc... Please Please Please notice the fucking irony of her advice in that conversation after what she has done to MC and what she had him accept.

I would expect most women would disrespect a man who would allow her to treat him that way. For some it's a kink, I get that, but I said "most" women. I also would expect most women would resent a man who treated her like property (with the same kink caveats).

She separates sex and love... only for herself. Or at least she says she does, or thats what she wants to convice herself she does. Who knows after Act 3?

What she has showed in reaction to MC with others is jealosy (the very same reactions that MC has). From the attitude after the sex with Kelly during the free pass week... to the recent 3 girls before the talk with Isaac... This last one showing to her what is like to be on the other side of the fence (in a very minor, very tame, way) for a while.

Again, she does not separate sex and love when it comes to MC, only on her actions, making MC view her version(probably self delusion) of the world but not seeing his side or even allowing to apply her version to him... Only thing on that as a defense is that she prepared herself to take a few hits due her actions, Anna for example during the free pass... She has accepted some "losses" due her behaviour, and even then, those are heavily policed, so she has some control on the situation... (Kelly for example was outside her control and caused the conflict)

I would offer she separates sex and love for the MC when she is the one ordering the sex (again; control). When she learns about the MC just appearing to flirt with a woman she does not control watch her reaction... ...but when it happens with one of "Lacey's girls" she sees that as healthy for the MC. I agree with you that I'm not certain she truly separates sex and love; if she did then I don't understand some of what happened in the bedroom painting scene. But I do believe she views sex as a weapon to be wielded sometimes... ...even the threat of sex with someone other than the MC.

funnythings3785 Seriously dude, join the discord, we want to see you there.

 

[DeviantFun]

Here is another thing to think about...

Considering everything up to Act 3.

How does Lacey view being shared? (Act 1 or 2, I cant remember the specific dialogue)

It is repeated often, I think the most CLEAR CUT would be this.

L "Honestly though, my preference would be that you don't share me."

How does she view a man who would allow his woman to be shared. (Act 3)

How does Lacey view the MC being shared with other women? (Act 1,2,3 reactions to MC with other women)

hmm...

I think this hits both points.

L "This is another thing that we see differently."
L "Me doing this for you, feels like I'm giving you a gift of love and trust."
L "I want you to feel like a king."
L "I've tried to explain this to you before."
L "But I'd feel you doing something like this means you've stopped loving me as much."
L "It means you don't want to protect me or keep me to yourself anymore."
L "I'd be really worried about our marriage."
L "I do this because making you feel good about yourself makes me happy."
L "The other way around means I'm just some whore you're passing around."
L "I like it that we're so different."

L "you are going to do something you've never done before."
L "Something you never got to experience."
L "I want you to start dating other women."

But lets be clear, Lacey would obey MC without a word if he asked her to be shared (even if then she complains about some RP talk, I guess she could complain a bit) just check the slut path act 1, it is pretty long so I won't paste it.

Also, what people miss, is that Lacey has a mixed agenda with the "love experiment".
She wants to give back to MC the years lost, in terms of experiences, even if then the game keeps on insisting on the sexual part, but she also wants MC to punish her (no not because she is a secret masochist) but because she feels an enormous amount of guilt towards him.

L "The whole open relationship thing?"
L "I am not trying to turn you into me."
L "I want you to date other women, so you can feel more confident."
L "So, you can experience the things you missed out on."
L "And so you can hurt me."
L "So you can make me feel jealous."
L "Because I think you need that."
L "I think you need to put me in my place so that you can work through all this."
L "It's not going to be fun for me."
L "I am extremely jealous of you and the women around you."
L "I've made that abundantly clear."

And a nice piece of bonus for all of you just to remember my beloved and accountable act 2 Lacey:

L "I did all these things because..."
L "Because I decided that being a sex toilet was more important than my love for you."
L "Because I decided that being a drug addict was more important than sending you a text."
L "Because I decided to embrace being a worthless object."
L "Because I didn't care enough about what we used to have to try to figure out what you were going through."
L "All I cared about was doing anything and everything I could to destroy the old me."
L "Because I was selfish."
L "Because I hated myself."
L "But most of all..."
L "Because I was not a good person."

 

[Lady Lydia]

There will be more bad endings than good ones, the story has outlined, in my opinion, only 2 truly positive scenarios for MC, and 5 disastrous ones, one would be the separation, the death of the characters due to the landowners, FMC becoming the slut again and ending up not NTR of the heavy ones, or MC being locked up because he's crazy, there are more indications of bad endings, than bad endings, good ones, a Harem ending for MC, and the love ending of the couple, the rest just bad endings.

I doubt its going to be quite balanced that way, I assume it will be 2/3/2, 2 Good, 3 Neutral, 2 Bad. Also while the Dev I heard spoke of 7 endings maybe it only mean end game endings, not bad ends along the way. So maybe by the end the 'love ending' and 'harem ending' for good, 'NTS slut ending', 'NTS BDSM ending' and 'MC leave with a replacement ending' for neutral, 'Romeo & Juliette ending' and '0 GG NTR ending' for bad.

 

[DeviantFun]

I doubt its going to be quite balanced that way, I assume it will be 2/3/2, 2 Good, 3 Neutral, 2 Bad. Also while the Dev I heard spoke of 7 endings maybe it only mean end game endings, not bad ends along the way. So maybe by the end the 'love ending' and 'harem ending' for good, 'NTS slut ending', 'NTS BDSM ending' and 'MC leave with a replacement ending' for neutral, 'Romeo & Juliette ending' and '0 GG NTR ending' for bad.

The Dev, unless they will change their mind over the course of development has already stated:

2 good
2 neutral
2 bad
1 horrific

If I can speculate probably the horrific is triggered at the 0 GG points.

Also please, lets call the harem ending the "new family" ending because that is the vibe that is being projected by the dialogues.

 

[monkeyqueen]

But lets be clear, Lacey would obey MC without a word if he asked her to be shared (even if then she complains about some RP talk, I guess she could complain a bit) just check the slut path act 1, it is pretty long so I won't paste it.

Also, what people miss, is that Lacey has a mixed agenda with the "love experiment".
She wants to give back to MC the years lost, in terms of experiences, even if then the game keeps on insisting on the sexual part, but she also wants MC to punish her (no not because she is a secret masochist) but because she feels an enormous amount of guilt towards him.

It's so strange - we are so close in our interpretations and yet you resist it for someone reason.

You are right - part of the love experiment comes from a desire to be punished. This is because she is a scapegoat - she always at fault and deserves to punished for it.

But why would you deny that she is a masochist? What do you call people who get a) gratification from being hurt during sex and b) seek out painful situations? There's nothing secret about her masochism unless you ctrl skip through the sex scenes.