VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 3] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[DeviantFun]

I didn't interprete anything , as you can see when you read my post , just stating a fact.
I didn't say that the MC was happy or anything like that , just saying what is in the material provided , nothing else.

Can you, from the material, find a piece of evidence that MC has shifted his mentality about it?
A clear statement from him which does not come from your interpretation of the "facts"?
Go read the aftermath of the Dianne dialogue about JD in act 2, it should be clear even to you.

Hell, I would challenge you to find the same for Lacey but the tacked on threesome contradicts even some act 3 dialogue so I can understand your confusion.

 

[Lady Lydia]

So much this, with Mia in particular, we have now jumped to doing the deed without going through any intermediate stop. (I would add to your list the flirting in the club, which made NO SENSE at the time because it makes MC look shallow as fuck, thinking only with his dick).

The Prof might have all that in mind, but he needs to put it down in the actual story, else it will never make sense from a reader perspective.

Mia hurt Lacey in a horrible way and tried to hurt her again twice, why isn't MC protective of his wife at least?

Look at Abby too (Mia clone), we end up with MC being superfriends and APOLOGIZING to her after she roofied him, his drug addicted and possibly on meds wife, ruined his first trip with his wife, ruined his anniversary and all of this on his dime.
I guess that showing up as a clown made everything ok with everyone.

You are interpreting a writing blunder (as the one pointed out from Al.d above is) to a shift in the characters.

MC was never happy about the BDSM thing (even with all the reader gaslight attempted) neither he was with the JD (retconned in act 2).

The ex thing was against everything we know about the characters and was put there attached with some superglue, as it is incoherent, Prof wanted a 3some, he inserted a 3some.
At least for the first true sharing scene we would have expected a bit more buildup, no? MC does not even know the kind of RP he is getting into, the only reasonable response from him would be no and then questioning why Lacey wants to be shared after saying that she does not want to over and over (open relationship talks etc, I posted some excerpts in another post but there are many others).

But I cannot blame you, the Prof wanted to inject drama or an idea, he just does it, and while the scene in a void could work and even be powerful, when inserted in the story it tramples heavily on the characters and narrative.

L&J was supposed to be a short story I think, and to me, it shows.

The problem with your notion of how the MC should act with Mia are first, its in the past, defending your wife from a current or ongoing threat sure, but when it happened like 2+ years in the past? Their is nothing to be really done about it concretely, its not like Mia had raped her, or that Mia had drugged her up in the first place, yea Mia organized for Lacey to fuck a whole lot of people, that is pretty much what all she did, its not criminal, morally questionable, but not evil.

What has Lacey done about it? Nothing, that mean Lacey doesn't consider what Mia did a problem, so by virtue of that, the MC likely doesn't feel he has a footing to reprimand Mia since the one you'd consider her victim doesn't seem offended by it. Again you are judging the MC's actions based on not his perception of reality but your own, you are not the MC, you don't think like the MC, so you shouldn't be too shocked when he think differently than you do.

 

[Lestrouduc]

Why would their be two only with Lacey & MC? Their was a mention of a singular 'love' ending where they are together alone, but otherwise I don't know where you got your idea their is another ending where they'd be exclusive. Again you keep all saying the same song, 'the MC and Lacey don't want that' yea as of Act 2 maybe, Act 3 I can't even say where they are at mentally, but you forget their are 3 Acts left for them to change to be possibly wanting that, what do you think the 'big family' thing is about? Its about her, the MC and all the MC's girls forming a family together, so it mean that jealous & selfish Lacey will have to overcome all of that, by that point will she care if he sleep with other women altogether? Similar in the process of overcoming his jealousy, what do you think that even mean but reaching a point where he won't mind her having had sex with other men, and likely from that point having sex with other men.

Jeez have you people forgotten Lorenzo? You don't think that is sharing? A threesome where you have a couple including another individual is precisely sharing, you think 3 more Acts aren't going to enable to move on from their Act 1 mindset in favor of a more flexible mindset that could enable an fully open relationship or BDSM open relationship? You lot keep using the excuse 'oh Act 1 & 2 MC & Lacey wouldn't do that' to justify this not happening by the end of the game even if its clear one of the driving forces of the game is to cram a personality change down both of their throats.

Oh and implying 'good' endings would both be ones which they end up together exclusively is dumb, the big family would absolutely be a good ending and not be based on exclusivity.

'One of the primary good endings (there are two of them) it is just Lacey and the MC.'
Straight from the Dev, so clearly their are not two endings in which they are exclusive.

'One of the primary good endings (there are two of them) it is just Lacey and the MC.'....from dev

Oh, okay, because you don't interpret this sentence from the Professor (which I myself posted here) as Lacey and MC exclusive, fine, whatever you want, but that doesn't mean I'm calling you stupid... Go on, just like your colleague Monkey something-or-other... on my ignore list.

 

[DeviantFun]

The problem with your notion of how the MC should act with Mia are first, its in the past, defending your wife from a current or ongoing threat sure, but when it happened like 2+ years in the past? Their is nothing to be really done about it concretely, its not like Mia had raped her, or that Mia had drugged her up in the first place, yea Mia organized for Lacey to fuck a whole lot of people, that is pretty much what all she did, its not criminal, morally questionable, but not evil.

What has Lacey done about it? Nothing, that mean Lacey doesn't consider what Mia did a problem, so by virtue of that, the MC likely doesn't feel he has a footing to reprimand Mia since the one you'd consider her victim doesn't seem offended by it. Again you are judging the MC's actions based on not his perception of reality but your own, you are not the MC, you don't think like the MC, so you shouldn't be too shocked when he think differently than you do.

You are missing the point about monsters, you are missing the point about Mia cheering for sexual assaults, you are missing the point about Mia trying to break their marriage (twice as you also forgot about Mia original plan), you miss the point of MC actually saying that their relationship is colder (skip to them agreeing to the deed through Lacey) and more.

In fact you missed so much that you forgot that MC actually, during one of his half breakdowns, blames her and wonders to whom he should direct his anger (ending up as usual, towards himself).

I do not judge by my perspective, but from the actual dialogues shown, word for word.
Stop with this nonsense about me injecting my wordview, when I do that I strongly underline it in my posts, the rest comes directly from the dialogues.

How boring that I have to have this on repeat, if I ever had to self insert in this novel, which I avoid anyway, it would be on Lacey'd side, surely not MC.

Oh and if you do not see Mia actions as evil during college more kudos to you, but you realized what was Mia's driving force during that time, right?
Explained in act 2 intro to KW and act 3 during the preparation of the painting.
Heck you can read a ccouple of passages in act 1 that actually underline what she has done as very wrong.

But I guess the material really does not mean much, right?

 

[daimadochi]

Can you, from the material, find a piece of evidence that MC has shifted his mentality about it?

I just did when i pointed out how the MC gave money to Lacey to get 2 hours of pleasure with the master BDSM guy.
I mean , it's precisely an evidence right here , he pays to share her with that guy , or at least that's what he thinks (and by the way with how lacey and jeanette answerd to abby just after the BDSM thing i think so to).
Same thing for the threesome with her EX , like you said he didn't even asks her wtf was going on or if she was crazy or what , wich is very strange for him.
If it's not a shift in mentality i don't know what it is.
Or maybe you're right and he was always like that , ready to share her like , when Lacey asks him , or tells him would be more accurate , that she's going to fuck a random guy on the business trip.
Or the JD date.
yes you may be right he was always ok , reluctantly and with great suffering , but ok to share her.

 

[DeviantFun]

I just did when i pointed out how the MC gave money to Lacey to get 2 hours of pleasure with the master BDSM guy.
I mean , it's precisely an evidence right here , he pays to share her with that guy , or at least that's what he thinks (and by the way with how lacey and jeanette answerd to abby just after the BDSM thing i think so to).
Same thing for the threesome with her EX , like you said he didn't even asks her wtf was going on or if she was crazy or what , wich is very strange for him.
If it's not a shift in mentality i don't know what it is.
Or maybe you're right and he was always like that , ready to share her like when Lacey asks him , or tells him would be more accurate , that she's going to fuck a random guy on the business trip.
Or the JD date.
yes you may be right he was always ok , reluctantly and with great suffering , but ok to share her.

Oh damn, so I really need to bring the quotes from the script.

D "Why do you think he let it happen?"
L "Because he loves me and will do things he hates to make me happy."
D "And you did it knowing full well that he hates it?"
D "Why?"
L "Because I wasn't thinking."
D "Because you don't have to."
D "I bet he told you he was unhappy when it happened."
L "He did."
D "Do you want me to tell you how you responded to him?"
D "I mean I have no idea what you said. But somehow I do know what you said."
D "'If you didn't want it to happen, then why didn't you do something about it?'"
D "Something like that, right?"
D "You knew he didn't want it. But instead of stopping yourself. You blamed him."
L "You're twisting what really happened."
D "No, I'm not. You are."
D "And you know it."
L "I know I'm selfish."

(the aftermath of this and previous convos is Lacey recognizing it and bringing the topic to the therapist about her abusing mc and bla bla)

This should help, in my mind this conversation has the keyword "something about it".
MC cannot say no to Lacey, you can see it the aftermath of Bastion (if I did not do this you would be disappointed or leave me, paraphrased), in the JD (read above) and ultimately in the BDSM scenario.

Can we please put all of the nonsense to rest and stick to the actual material?

Oh and BTW MC will be able to share willingly, it is written in the introduction of Jamie as LI for example, but right now? With Lacey? Not a chance if we go by the material provided.

 

[AL.d]

I didn't interprete anything , as you can see when you read my post , just stating a fact.
I didn't say that the MC was happy or anything like that , just saying what is in the material provided , nothing else.

Edit:
As for the shift , the MC paying for 2 hours of pleasure for Lacey could never have hapened in act 1-2.
Same for Lacey with how she asks the MC for a threesome with an ex.
not an interpretation here.

It would have happened in act 1 and 2. You know how I know that? Because it did. Dude was cucked in 4k and when he saw his calls/texts were ignored, he was so broken that he just resorted to "at least don't kiss him". Which she did of course. If it's something Lacey pushes for, it will always be accepted and it applies to all acts so far.

What has changed is his (lack of) reaction in the aftermath. Forced acceptance through the exposure this "reprograming" is doing to him. It's no coincidence that alongside him having fewer "word vomits" about Lacey's antics, his mental condition is worse than ever before. Because that's what happens with forced acceptance. The game broadcasts very loudly that he is repressing his reactions to what is happening to him. It happened constantly in his thought monologues during girls day.

 

[daimadochi]

Yes you're right like i said previously , he was always ok to share her.
That's not a shift in mentality he was always ok to share her.

 

[AL.d]

Yes you're right like i said previously , he was always ok to share her.
That's not a shift in mentality he was always ok to share her.

you seem to have an extremely weird definition of "OK" I guess.

 

[Lestrouduc]

I just did when i pointed out how the MC gave money to Lacey to get 2 hours of pleasure with the master BDSM guy.
I mean , it's precisely an evidence right here , he pays to share her with that guy , or at least that's what he thinks (and by the way with how lacey and jeanette answerd to abby just after the BDSM thing i think so to).
Same thing for the threesome with her EX , like you said he didn't even asks her wtf was going on or if she was crazy or what , wich is very strange for him.
If it's not a shift in mentality i don't know what it is.
Or maybe you're right and he was always like that , ready to share her like , when Lacey asks him , or tells him would be more accurate , that she's going to fuck a random guy on the business trip.
Or the JD date.
yes you may be right he was always ok , reluctantly and with great suffering , but ok to share her.

No, come on, MC never wanted to share Lacey with anyone, quite the opposite... but with Lacey and her constant manipulation, he just can't say no, that's all. Besides, in Act 3, she confronts him about it, explaining that he needs to stop saying yes to everything when she starts messing up.

Anyway, see the story however you want, but you can trust DeviantFun for the script of this VN, which he knows almost entirely by heart.

 

[daimadochi]

You think ?
I don't think so.
He's ok to share her , he suffers from that fact , he does it reluctantly , but he's ok to share her.
Or maybe the word "accepts" fits better ? i don't know i'm not a native english speaker so i don't know the nuance between words.

 

[PonderingPotatoPal]

If we had just 6 games like Love & Jealous releasing 12-hour updates every 4 months, life would be so much better
The developer stated this update is 7 hours long, but he’s probably one of those speed readers who stares at the center of a page for 3 seconds and absorbs everything. I'm certain it took me about 12 hours, and that volume of gameplay is absolutely excellent

This act, just like the previous two, was excellent. The MC is gradually getting into hotter scenes with the other girls. The scenes in this update were very hot. I can't believe I actually liked the femboy scene; I'm not usually a fan of femboys, but that scene—the dialogue and the built-up tension behind it—was so good that I enjoyed it thoroughly

Every time I tell myself, "That's it, everything is resolved, the issues between the MC and Lacey are completely fixed, everything from the past is settled," the developer surprises me again, and a new, tense, and definitely emotional plot point emerges. How is it possible for an experience/game to have this much gameplay yet the tension never dissipates? How much story does this developer have left to tell? He has definitely entered my top 3 favorite developers list; his work is truly praiseworthy

You know, when I play 99.99% of other games, I constantly complain about the characters being stupid
But when I play this game, I find fault with my own stupidity. The characters in this game are incredibly intelligent and multi-dimensional. True, they each have their own flaws, but other aspects of them are extremely rich. I’ve personally learned so many different things from them—their perspectives on life, jealousy, attachment, and everything else they regularly discuss in the game

I’m very happy that this game is winning the Patreon poll, and we’ll likely see another update soon. I hope this game doesn't end anytime soon. The "Professor" I know is capable of extending this experience much further without ruining its excellence

I’ve rambled on a bit; it was just an outlet for the energy and immense enjoyment I got from this update, and I wanted to share it here because most members here are the only ones who actually understand the characters. Elsewhere, people just easily dismiss the MC as a "stupid cuckold" and call Lacey a "street whore" right at the start of the game

Yo, hold up, buddy. So, about this poll you're bringing up... does that actually mean the Professor is currently grinding away on a new update for this game? That's wild

 

[DeviantFun]

You think ?
I don't think so.
He's ok to share her , he suffers from that fact , he does it reluctantly , but he's ok to share her.
Or maybe the word "accepts" fits better ? i don't know i'm not a native english speaker so i don't know the nuance between words.

Now it is clearer, yes he accepts it because he fears that if he does not go along with her demands she will leave him again.

This is true.

 

[daimadochi]

Same thing about just after the BDSM thing , maybe lover means something different or more nuanced than what i thought ?
I mean my comprehension of english is pretty basic so maybe that's the problem ?
When you read that part in game (the lover thing) what do you think about that ?

 

[DeviantFun]

Same thing about just after the BDSM thing , maybe lover means something different or more nuanced than what i thought ?
I mean my comprehension of english is pretty basic so maybe that's the problem ?
When you read that part in game (the lover thing) what do you think about that ?

From what is said from the rest of the material, the girls ASSUME master dickweed is a great lover, probably coming from how he manhandled and subjugated them.

It does NOT mean he did anything penetrative or sexual directly on their genitals.
He "only" degraded them, dominated them, put them on "sex machines" (I would say props or apparatuses but a native english speaker will help us here), stimulated erogenous zones (tits and ass we are sure of, others could be involved) with paddles and other instruments.

The phrase (the lover thing as you say) was left there so the author could create confusion and misunderstanding in the reader, for mystery.

I hope this is clear, english as it might be painstakingly obvious is not my first language as well.

 

[Lady Lydia]

You are missing the point about monsters, you are missing the point about Mia cheering for sexual assaults, you are missing the point about Mia trying to break their marriage (twice as you also forgot about Mia original plan), you miss the point of MC actually saying that their relationship is colder (skip to them agreeing to the deed through Lacey) and more.

In fact you missed so much that you forgot that MC actually, during one of his half breakdowns, blames her and wonders to whom he should direct his anger (ending up as usual, towards himself).

I do not judge by my perspective, but from the actual dialogues shown, word for word.
Stop with this nonsense about me injecting my wordview, when I do that I strongly underline it in my posts, the rest comes directly from the dialogues.

How boring that I have to have this on repeat, if I ever had to self insert in this novel, which I avoid anyway, it would be on Lacey'd side, surely not MC.

Oh and if you do not see Mia actions as evil during college more kudos to you, but you realized what was Mia's driving force during that time, right?
Explained in act 2 intro to KW and act 3 during the preparation of the painting.
Heck you can read a ccouple of passages in act 1 that actually underline what she has done as very wrong.

But I guess the material really does not mean much, right?

Alright, first point, you are saying that Mia cheered for Lacey's sexual assault, well its a perspective alright because at no point I remember anyone in the game using those terms, so its entirely possible the MC doesn't see it this way, again if Lacey hasn't blamed or kicked out Mia from her life, what the fuck do you think it means from the MC's perspective? That it must not have been that bad.

About trying to break their marriage, he confronted her about it it, and it was resolved. If you think about the videos or Kelly, at this point he is over the first and he like Kelly so its not like he'd blame Mia for bringing her into their lives. Sure he might have some left over resentment, but nothing making a huge fuss over for him.

Now you say the MC during a partial breakdown blame Mia, yea during a partial breakdown, not normally, so obviously you can't expect that to stick outside of those circumstances. You do realize their are times people think differently under various strains you can't expect what he think when half-crazed to stick around when he isn't.

You keep using the excuse 'it comes from the game' without accounting if its information known to the MC or only to Lacey & Mia, and what exactly he was told about it. The problem is you are big on speaking the truth from a perspective that isn't always possessed by the MC, but by other characters, or interpretation of your own.

If I say 'a girl has sex with a boy' and if I say 'a girl has sex with a underage boy' both are the truth, but one has implications the other doesn't. Do the MC is aware of everything that happened in College, or does he know only a limited amount that Mia & Lacey told him? Is it clearly stated he was told all the details you know about what happened? Or does he merely has a vague idea outside those images of what happened?

 

[daimadochi]

Yes , to fit what all of the girls says about that event , appart for the lover thing wich is very confusing to me ,it's pretty obvious that it should be as you said.
Just in my country (france) lover or amoureux is really , well something else than just manhandling or subjugating , i mean really really different if you know what i mean.
That's why it's confusing.

 

[Lady Lydia]

Yes , to fit what all of the girls says about that event , appart for the lover thing wich is very confusing to me ,it's pretty obvious that it should be as you said.
Just in my country (france) lover or amoureux is really , well something else than just manhandling or subjugating , i mean really really different if you know what i mean.
That's why it's confusing.

Oh no even in English using the term 'lover' will typically relate to sex. Not to merely manhandling or subjugating. Its a pretty wild notion for them to supposedly theorize he'd be a good lover from him just manhandling or subjugating them. Maybe however its meant to relate to the notion he knew how to push their buttons so to speak, so they assume he'd be great at sexually stimulating people, which would be more along the definition of 'lover'.

 

[Lady Lydia]

Yo, hold up, buddy. So, about this poll you're bringing up... does that actually mean the Professor is currently grinding away on a new update for this game? That's wild

No the poll state holidays, I doubt the holidays already started for many.

 

[Lestrouduc]

Yes , to fit what all of the girls says about that event , appart for the lover thing wich is very confusing to me ,it's pretty obvious that it should be as you said.
Just in my country (france) lover or amoureux is really , well something else than just manhandling or subjugating , i mean really really different if you know what i mean.
That's why it's confusing.

So Greetings from another Frenchman