Yes, I was talking about the other acts... when we stay, you're right about the choices, and I'll say it again, it will be up to the player to decide which ending suits them best... there will be a horrible ending (as Professor said), so if that's what some people want...
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The MC talks about murdering and (player option) kidnapping people. Abby is visibly shaken when the MC gives her a "I'll kill you later look". Not ruling out the possibility that the hulk will get so mad that he murders some of the LIs
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Yea the horrible ending obviously is going to be the 0 GG Ending, which is likely going to be an NTR ending, but I think still without the loss, I suspect effectively on that ending the two are going to be stuck together due to their co-dependency but stop loving one another, they'll just cuck each others and be very toxic to one another, so not the typical NTR ending still but a horrible marriage bound in pain and suffering, unless the Dev wants to be funny and on top of that just turn it into a War of the Roses movie based ending.
I mean for what I assume would be the Romeo & Juliette ending, a bad ending, I assume the MC will decide to leave Lacey but without a replacement for her he'll just be miserable and jump off the Cliff, at which point when Lacey will hear about it she'll go there too and jump off too, but as bad as that sound, death is pretty final, so its not worst than the above. I assume you get this one if the MC refuse every relationships with other women.
The other bad ending I assume is the MC leave but with some replacement for Lacey, in time she end up successfully committing suicide, and the MC survive her but feel miserable because of the guilt that he caused Lacey to kill herself, so he survive but feeling bad. I assume you get this one if the MC accepted at least one relationship with another women.
The neutral endings I assume are NTS based, Slut & BDSM, in the Slut ending they end up with a scenario in a sense similar to the NTR ending, but both are still somewhat happily married, but they fuck around as they see fit. I assume you could only get this one on the 'Slut' Path. The BDSM ending you'd end up in a dominant relationship with Lacey where the MC is her 'King' and tell her who to fuck or not, ultimately the MC has the illusion of control over their relationship but its better than nothing. I assume it will only be available on the 'Punishment' Path
As for the good endings I suspect the 'Love' Ending, is going to be probably considered 'good' but effectively its going to be bittersweet, alot of girls are going to be sad they can't be in the relationship with the MC, the MC & Lacey will love one another, be happy, but somewhat not quite satisfied, because after all the changes to make their relaltionship able to accept various things they'll have changed, so this ending will feel somewhat like having them try to regress back to what they were before Mia but never really able to achieve it. So I expect it to be a fairly short ending compared to the other good or neutral endings. Possibly only achieveable on the 'No Fun' Path.
Finally the Big Family AKA Harem Ending, is going to be the best ending because frankly you can tell its the ending the Dev geared their story heading toward, but the others are likely created to humor the killjoys, the sadists & the NTS crowd. I assume that ending will be the longest since their is going to be a whole bunch of girls possibly involved as well as possibly a longer epilogue that will stretch further to include seeing the aftermath of their big family, namely the kids of the MC.
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Just a correction, on the slut path they won't be sleeping around as they see fit, but as MC sees fit, it is the key point of what Lacey tries to express (and she still does not want to be shared as far as we know, just doing that to obey and make MC happy, which also states that it is not what he wants aside from two cuck lines, one in NTR roleplay act 1 and one after bastion).
Same as you, I hope the Family endings are developed the most, both in sex and non sex relationships with the other "family" members.
Yes, your endings are more or less plausible, but like DeviantFun, I disagree with Lacey's sharing. The MC absolutely doesn't want that, nor does he want an open relationship. He doesn't even accept this expression when Lacey wants him to be with Anna or other girls...In fact, Lacey only wants him to sleep with other girls because she feels guilty that he remained a virgin and waited for her.
Regarding the good endings, don't forget that there are two with only Lacey and the MC.
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What you described is basically what I had described as my BDSM ending, I think by the end of the game their personality will have been changed to the point them being part of a open relationship where they both sleep around to be possible, which would be the one based on the Slut Path. I mean just the progress they need to achieve the effectively Harem ending is significant, like I said I can feel swinging is an intended option for Yue & Bradley. Also the thing is you are talking about sharing, while Lacey might not like her husband to offer her to other guys, I envision the 'Slut' Ending to be along the lines of a fully open relationship, so at that point it will be Lacey herself which will decide to have sex with other guys at her whim, which I wouldn't be calling sharing, which as I said I would see more as the MC offering her to other men, but this would be instead be by her own initiative.
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Read dev's comments about forced scenes and how we have to accept it because MC...loves these two. I'm not even going to comment on their side of "love". I've already said how this dude's pathetic ultra simp behavior, combined with constant trauma dumps regarding another woman, would be a repellent for 99% of women. And somehow he is surrounded by the 1%.
What confuses me is his side of that supposed love and where is it in the game? I can understand Anna, we never see it being developed in the game but we can assume it did during college. And now that he has OK from his mistress, he can act on it.
But with Mia? When, where and how? Like 90% of their one on one interactions are about Lacey. Was that one date, where she talks about her past, and a goodnight (optional) bj all it takes? When did that love develop from his side? During the first cuck lesson? The second? Maybe the third? Or when he was trying to stop her from offering a bag of drugs to his addict wife? Their one on one scenes are almost exclusively about Lacey drama. If anything, most of the scenes where she does something endearing and protective, he is either not present, or not paying attention to her. I guess it follows the standard harem recipe, where characters have a couple interactions with each other and then proclaim eternal love. So we can move on to next pokemon.
What confuses me is his side of that supposed love and where is it in the game? I can understand Anna, we never see it being developed in the game but we can assume it did during college. And now that he has OK from his mistress, he can act on it.
But with Mia? When, where and how? Like 90% of their one on one interactions are about Lacey. Was that one date, where she talks about her past, and a goodnight (optional) bj all it takes? When did that love develop from his side? During the first cuck lesson? The second? Maybe the third? Or when he was trying to stop her from offering a bag of drugs to his addict wife? Their one on one scenes are almost exclusively about Lacey drama. If anything, most of the scenes where she does something endearing and protective, he is either not present, or not paying attention to her. I guess it follows the standard harem recipe, where characters have a couple interactions with each other and then proclaim eternal love. So we can move on to next pokemon.
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Why would their be two only with Lacey & MC? Their was a mention of a singular 'love' ending where they are together alone, but otherwise I don't know where you got your idea their is another ending where they'd be exclusive. Again you keep all saying the same song, 'the MC and Lacey don't want that' yea as of Act 2 maybe, Act 3 I can't even say where they are at mentally, but you forget their are 3 Acts left for them to change to be possibly wanting that, what do you think the 'big family' thing is about? Its about her, the MC and all the MC's girls forming a family together, so it mean that jealous & selfish Lacey will have to overcome all of that, by that point will she care if he sleep with other women altogether? Similar in the process of overcoming his jealousy, what do you think that even mean but reaching a point where he won't mind her having had sex with other men, and likely from that point having sex with other men.
Jeez have you people forgotten Lorenzo? You don't think that is sharing? A threesome where you have a couple including another individual is precisely sharing, you think 3 more Acts aren't going to enable to move on from their Act 1 mindset in favor of a more flexible mindset that could enable an fully open relationship or BDSM open relationship? You lot keep using the excuse 'oh Act 1 & 2 MC & Lacey wouldn't do that' to justify this not happening by the end of the game even if its clear one of the driving forces of the game is to cram a personality change down both of their throats.
Oh and implying 'good' endings would both be ones which they end up together exclusively is dumb, the big family would absolutely be a good ending and not be based on exclusivity.
'One of the primary good endings (there are two of them) it is just Lacey and the MC.'
Straight from the Dev, so clearly their are not two endings in which they are exclusive.
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No. We (using plural because I have read other replies), just refuse to see planned mental conditioning, in an extremely imbalanced relationship between a controller and a controlled, as a natural and healthy "relationship evolution". Anyone even tangentially involved with couple counseling would be having multiple aneurysms with that take.
A term used for poly is "ENM", which you are probably familiar with, so you know the E stands for ethical. A relationship where one party is trying to "reprogram" the other, who also happens to be a diagnosed codependent, through a mix of manipulation and even straight up force, tramples on that concept. There is nothing mutual or ethical about it and it's why some players refuse to see it as such. This is a relationship where if she told him she is into castration and he even got the feeling (not explicit demand), that not doing it could potentially put the relationship at risk, he is cutting his dick off the next day. ENM is impossible by default in this couple dynamic. As simple as that.
It's an AVN, so I get anyone wanting any specific outcome based on fetish preferences. But normalizing it as something positive when what's portrayed is plain disturbing and the game makes no secret of it, I just don't get.
I'm with Lady Lydia on this one. Between how lacey asks the mc if he's game for a threesome with her ex like if she was asking him if he want a coffee or a glass of water , and the MC giving money to Lacey to have 2 hours of pleasure with the master BDSM guy , it's obvious that their mindset about sharing shifted a great deal.
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So much this, with Mia in particular, we have now jumped to doing the deed without going through any intermediate stop. (I would add to your list the flirting in the club, which made NO SENSE at the time because it makes MC look shallow as fuck, thinking only with his dick).
The Prof might have all that in mind, but he needs to put it down in the actual story, else it will never make sense from a reader perspective.
Mia hurt Lacey in a horrible way and tried to hurt her again twice, why isn't MC protective of his wife at least?
Look at Abby too (Mia clone), we end up with MC being superfriends and APOLOGIZING to her after she roofied him, his drug addicted and possibly on meds wife, ruined his first trip with his wife, ruined his anniversary and all of this on his dime.
I guess that showing up as a clown made everything ok with everyone.
You are interpreting a writing blunder (as the one pointed out from Al.d above is) to a shift in the characters.
MC was never happy about the BDSM thing (even with all the reader gaslight attempted) neither he was with the JD (retconned in act 2).
The ex thing was against everything we know about the characters and was put there attached with some superglue, as it is incoherent, Prof wanted a 3some, he inserted a 3some.
At least for the first true sharing scene we would have expected a bit more buildup, no? MC does not even know the kind of RP he is getting into, the only reasonable response from him would be no and then questioning why Lacey wants to be shared after saying that she does not want to over and over (open relationship talks etc, I posted some excerpts in another post but there are many others).
But I cannot blame you, the Prof wanted to inject drama or an idea, he just does it, and while the scene in a void could work and even be powerful, when inserted in the story it tramples heavily on the characters and narrative.
L&J was supposed to be a short story I think, and to me, it shows.
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I didn't interprete anything , as you can see when you read my post , just stating a fact.
I didn't say that the MC was happy or anything like that , just saying what is in the material provided , nothing else.
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As for the shift , the MC paying for 2 hours of pleasure for Lacey could never have hapened in act 1-2.
Same for Lacey with how she asks the MC for a threesome with an ex.
not an interpretation here.
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Can you, from the material, find a piece of evidence that MC has shifted his mentality about it?
A clear statement from him which does not come from your interpretation of the "facts"?
Go read the aftermath of the Dianne dialogue about JD in act 2, it should be clear even to you.
Hell, I would challenge you to find the same for Lacey but the tacked on threesome contradicts even some act 3 dialogue so I can understand your confusion.
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The problem with your notion of how the MC should act with Mia are first, its in the past, defending your wife from a current or ongoing threat sure, but when it happened like 2+ years in the past? Their is nothing to be really done about it concretely, its not like Mia had raped her, or that Mia had drugged her up in the first place, yea Mia organized for Lacey to fuck a whole lot of people, that is pretty much what all she did, its not criminal, morally questionable, but not evil.
What has Lacey done about it? Nothing, that mean Lacey doesn't consider what Mia did a problem, so by virtue of that, the MC likely doesn't feel he has a footing to reprimand Mia since the one you'd consider her victim doesn't seem offended by it. Again you are judging the MC's actions based on not his perception of reality but your own, you are not the MC, you don't think like the MC, so you shouldn't be too shocked when he think differently than you do.
Ah, DF, I really appreciate that you've almost completely memorized this damn script, and yes, everything you said perfectly summarizes this story... the rest (from Act 3 onwards) is for drama and because the author adores Lacey, they have to make readers believe she won't evolve, or at least won't try (as the professor says, Lacey is Lacey).
Besides, the end of Act 3, where MC leaves, is designed so that in the following act Lacey finally gets a real wake-up call, thinking she's truly lost him... at least I hope things will get a little better from then on... I say a little, mind you, Lacey has to stay Lacey.
And for those who keep visualizing the possible endings, here's a message posted by the professor himself that explains everything, plus the two essential characters, "Anna and Mia," who will be part of the story until the very end:
1)Professor Amethyst Games:
So, I thought I would address this important topic. There is some forced interaction with a secondary LI character in this act, but you control how far it goes. There will also be an extremely significant forced act with another secondary LI in act 4, but it's a big part of the story arc, so there's no way to specifically avoid it. However, after that big moment (which is alluded to in act 3) there will be no additional forced romance interactions and you will have full control after that with who you choose to keep and who you don't. There are seven possible endings to the game. One of the primary good endings (there are two of them) it is just Lacey and the MC. As for why there is some forced interactions this far into the game is because these two LIs are major players in how the game unfolds. A word of warning. Each secondary LI has three possible endings (happy, neutral and broken). If you care about a LI (even if you don't romance them), aim for their neutral ending.
2)Professor Amethyst Games:
I really needed to come back and dig into an important story concept here. The MC absolutely loves Anna and Mia. So, you can still choose to only end up with Lacey. But that won't change that Anna and Mia are found family for the MC and Lacey. I bring that up to explain why the MC has such strong feelings toward them.
In short, for the different endings, it will be up to you, the reader, to decide what you want these two characters to become... As for the secondary characters, that will also be up to you. Look at what the Professor says: (If a character is dear to you, even if you don't have a romantic relationship with them, aim for their neutral ending.)
All that's left is to prepare your save files (I trust you, DF:LOLand wait for the sequel.
If I may, I don't want to misunderstand, in all 7 endings, as it is explained, MC and FMC will end the story together anyway, or at least 6, while horrible, should concern the end of the couple, I repeat, it's my deduction.
'One of the primary good endings (there are two of them) it is just Lacey and the MC.'....from dev
Oh, okay, because you don't interpret this sentence from the Professor (which I myself posted here) as Lacey and MC exclusive, fine, whatever you want, but that doesn't mean I'm calling you stupid... Go on, just like your colleague Monkey something-or-other
... on my ignore list.I would take into consideration the murders or kidnappings plus the actions of the holding companies who want Lacey's land. No one has mentioned that this too is an obscure point in the plot. In fact, there is a dialogue between Will and the Boss, who want Lacey, but I think it's for sex, but to bribe her or blackmail her to get the land inherited from her dead father. I've also thought a lot about this aspect, which many have not considered in chat, this extra elaborate plan. I really believe that's why the three exes, Isaac and friends, miraculously appeared in the same workplace or residence as Lacy. This has a dark side, like the mysterious Mr. Monster in the phone chat.
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You are missing the point about monsters, you are missing the point about Mia cheering for sexual assaults, you are missing the point about Mia trying to break their marriage (twice as you also forgot about Mia original plan), you miss the point of MC actually saying that their relationship is colder (skip to them agreeing to the deed through Lacey) and more.
In fact you missed so much that you forgot that MC actually, during one of his half breakdowns, blames her and wonders to whom he should direct his anger (ending up as usual, towards himself).
I do not judge by my perspective, but from the actual dialogues shown, word for word.
Stop with this nonsense about me injecting my wordview, when I do that I strongly underline it in my posts, the rest comes directly from the dialogues.
How boring that I have to have this on repeat, if I ever had to self insert in this novel, which I avoid anyway, it would be on Lacey'd side, surely not MC.
Oh and if you do not see Mia actions as evil during college more kudos to you, but you realized what was Mia's driving force during that time, right?
Explained in act 2 intro to KW and act 3 during the preparation of the painting.
Heck you can read a ccouple of passages in act 1 that actually underline what she has done as very wrong.
But I guess the material really does not mean much, right?
I just did when i pointed out how the MC gave money to Lacey to get 2 hours of pleasure with the master BDSM guy.
I mean , it's precisely an evidence right here , he pays to share her with that guy , or at least that's what he thinks (and by the way with how lacey and jeanette answerd to abby just after the BDSM thing i think so to).
Same thing for the threesome with her EX , like you said he didn't even asks her wtf was going on or if she was crazy or what , wich is very strange for him.
If it's not a shift in mentality i don't know what it is.
Or maybe you're right and he was always like that , ready to share her like , when Lacey asks him , or tells him would be more accurate , that she's going to fuck a random guy on the business trip.
Or the JD date.
yes you may be right he was always ok , reluctantly and with great suffering , but ok to share her.
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Oh damn, so I really need to bring the quotes from the script.
D "Why do you think he let it happen?"
L "Because he loves me and will do things he hates to make me happy."
D "And you did it knowing full well that he hates it?"
D "Why?"
L "Because I wasn't thinking."
D "Because you don't have to."
D "I bet he told you he was unhappy when it happened."
L "He did."
D "Do you want me to tell you how you responded to him?"
D "I mean I have no idea what you said. But somehow I do know what you said."
D "'If you didn't want it to happen, then why didn't you do something about it?'"
D "Something like that, right?"
D "You knew he didn't want it. But instead of stopping yourself. You blamed him."
L "You're twisting what really happened."
D "No, I'm not. You are."
D "And you know it."
L "I know I'm selfish."
(the aftermath of this and previous convos is Lacey recognizing it and bringing the topic to the therapist about her abusing mc and bla bla)
This should help, in my mind this conversation has the keyword "something about it".
MC cannot say no to Lacey, you can see it the aftermath of Bastion (if I did not do this you would be disappointed or leave me, paraphrased), in the JD (read above) and ultimately in the BDSM scenario.
Can we please put all of the nonsense to rest and stick to the actual material?
Oh and BTW MC will be able to share willingly, it is written in the introduction of Jamie as LI for example, but right now? With Lacey? Not a chance if we go by the material provided.