VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 3] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[Chaoticjustice]

While i also think, that Lacey definitely did some kissing in college, I don’t think the comment about the fair was related to that, though it obviously doesn’t exclude the possibility. What she actually did at the fair is probably related to more NSFW activities

I think her strong reaction was based on how the answers to the toothbrush, dicknames, spending the day naked, outdoor sex and the foodplay were obviously hurting and triggering MC, so she wanted Mia to finally stop drudging up unnecessary stuff

I agree also wouldn't kissing to an extent feed into her oral fixation, yes it would be very minor but I would still think it would

 

[DeviantFun]

What made these games hurt, was that besides all the sexual first, was that apparently (all of) Laceys emotional intimate firsts, as well as the small mundane things in a relationship also don’t just belong to Lacey and MC

Exactly, I have been harping on this for a while, everything, even the most silly and intimate things, have been tainted.
There is nothing unique or sweet Lacey can offer to the relationship with MC anymore.

MC gets all fussed up about the dick naming the most, which is also something pretty silly and intimate if you think about it, tainted by Lacey past.
While she was creating a list of nicknames, with a short description about taste, shape and cum production he was waiting for her to love him back, to give back an ounce of the love he showered her with.

You don't come back from that.

Also, it shows once again, how much fun Lacey was actually having compared to her tale of misery.

 

[Maviarab]

I agree also wouldn't kissing to an extent feed into her oral fixation, yes it would be very minor but I would still think it would

Very, very much so. And no need to be naked and sucking cock to feed that obsessive fetish either (and it very much is a fetish, not a kink). I would be literally amazed if she wasn't kissing guys (especially if she blew/fucked them) all the time. However, is all fine, they were not real intimate kisses...

Also, it shows once again, how much fun Lacey was actually having compared to her tale of misery.

Exactly 100% this.

 

[DeviantFun]

I sincerely doubt there was any force involved, except the force and intensity of the kiss itself maybe

She answered the question 100% truthfully, as the question was asked. However....

As you have said numerous times before....this is the first time we've actually 'learnt' anything about the 4 years Lacey was in college that did not come from the pimp as a sordid tale of lust and debauchery. Her entire 4 years really, when you think about it, are blank, we know nothing of what she did, when, where, who with...except being fucked. As you keep saying, she had a LOT of fun....where she was neither drunk or drugged up....she did manage to do all her coursework and not get thrown out of college after all

Exactly 100% this.

I want to clarify something, I think the first two years were as Lacey described: Alone, drunk and drugged up.
Junior year was where all the fun happened and I know we have different views on senior year, but she wasn't a recluse then.
She was fighting addiction and all but she probably did other "open air" stuff, but not sexual, while she was still ghosting Mc (i gave my reasons on the why in another post)

 

[AL.d]

So she may be in love with him but im curious to know what her actual understanding of it is as cause no doubt its some skewed version of it

Neither of them understand it, because neither of them went through the normal formative process of young teens. It's a relationship between a narcissist and a co-dependent that was formed the same time that normal young teens form actual relationships.

The reason she could do those relationship-like things with others, is because those relationships were not this twisted thing she has with MC.

Whenever they both contemplate and say how better things would have been if they were together in college, I cringe. It would have been a nightmare for MC. Mia was just a catalyst for disorders Lacey has been carrying before college. She would have found some kind of catalyst no matter what. MC would have been endlessly cucked in college.

Someone has said her "other side" might be some kind of underlying resentment she has for MC and I thought it's very good theory. It checks out. But I don't think she would have been conscious of it, unless her therapist told her.

 

[Maviarab]

But I don't think she would have been conscious of it, unless her therapist told her.

The therapist we've never seen her leave to go to, or seen any sight of, or any POV from Lacey (or anyone else went with her to as emotional support waiting outside in the waiting area)....like the clinic we never went with her to that confirmed her brain damage....or the anti-d's they said she would need....or further visits...

(Sorry lol).

 

[anongamer1983]

I sincerely doubt there was any force involved, except the force and intensity of the kiss itself maybe

She answered the question 100% truthfully, as the question was asked. However....

As you have said numerous times before....this is the first time we've actually 'learnt' anything about the 4 years Lacey was in college that did not come from the pimp as a sordid tale of lust and debauchery. Her entire 4 years really, when you think about it, are blank, we know nothing of what she did, when, where, who with...except being fucked. As you keep saying, she had a LOT of fun....where she was neither drunk or drugged up....she did manage to do all her coursework and not get thrown out of college after all

I don't know about that. Since we have no evidence from game files, I can only speculate. Narratively, if Lacey was on board with anything and everything, then it leaves no room for drama between Mia and Lacey. Sure, Lacey could blame Mia for her own decisions, but Mia still needs character growth. She's been awful again and again with no real consequences.

If Lacey drew hard lines with Stephen, Lorenzo, etc, such as kissing, and Mia actively crossed those boundaries (remember, she admits herself that she was trying to corrupt Lacey), then it gives solid reasoning for Lacey to give to Mia that she needs to grow as a character as well. Otherwise, Mia can just say "You loved it, don't lie"

Would I be surprised if Lacey did kiss guys in college? no. However, I think it makes for better story telling if that was a line for Lacey personally that Mia crossed and laughed about.

However, I do think that if that's the case, then the motorcycle would have to be similar (because these have to be brought up again at some point). If my idea holds, then the motorcycle would similarly have to be a memory of a betrayal from Mia. It's easy if the fair had a "Wall of Death" or "Globe of Death" that the kiss took place for, but it could also be something like getting Lacey to sit on the motorcycle and making the guy hold her steady to try to help her balance. Maybe Lacey didn't want another guy touching her, but Mia made it happen

Again, this is all pure speculation, just thoughts and ideas.

 

[DeviantFun]

Neither of them understand it, because neither of them went through the normal formative process of young teens. It's a relationship between a narcissist and a co-dependent that was formed the same time that normal young teens form actual relationships.

Pretty insightful.
I have the same idea, we don't know if their relationship stayed the same, we see MC being able to open up when the rules are not needed.
Granted, we know Lacey sent everyone away and so did MC, but we can't know what would happen in a different environment.

The reason she could do those relationship-like things with others, is because those relationships were not this twisted thing she has with MC.

Whenever they both contemplate and say how better things would have been if they were together in college, I cringe. It would have been a nightmare for MC. Mia was just a catalyst for disorders Lacey has been carrying before college. She would have found some kind of catalyst no matter what. MC would have been endlessly cucked in college.

On this is kinda disagree viscerally, in the same way that Lacey found the courage to try stuff when pushed by the pimp, she could have found the same with different motivations with MC.
Plus you are assigning this disorder or need from Lacey, the reasons she had sex are pretty well expanded upon, we don't need to invent anything.
If MC was with her Junior year would have not have happened.

Don't get me wrong, I fully agree that her disorders are tied to sex, she was abused sexually ffs, and what she did in college exacerbated the situation, she is pretty damaged thanks to her dear friend.

But as I said, we don't know what could have happened between them when the rules are not needed, when they are both leaving their past in a backroom and try to move forward and function.

Someone has said her "other side" might be some kind of underlying resentment she has for MC and I thought it's very good theory. It checks out. But I don't think she would have been conscious of it, unless her therapist told her.

This would be an interesting thing, at least it is not tied to sex, but I think it doesn't fit the story as of now.
It would check out with this whole love/resentment thing, being resentful because she couldn't live without him which would explain the ghosting and yet being absollutely crushed by the fact that she needs him and loves him.
K gave her an out and the pimp gave her the bike, so when she says she knew she was hurting him, it is not only in the back of her head, but a direct objective of hers.
Then she would regret it and the cycle continues.

This is speculation tho, not as bad as the "Bella is the mastermind behind everything that is happening to MC" but still speculative in nature.

 

[Maviarab]

I don't know about that. Since we have no evidence from game files, I can only speculate. Narratively, if Lacey was on board with anything and everything, then it leaves no room for drama between Mia and Lacey. Sure, Lacey could blame Mia for her own decisions, but Mia still needs character growth. She's been awful again and again with no real consequences.

If Lacey drew hard lines with Stephen, Lorenzo, etc, such as kissing, and Mia actively crossed those boundaries (remember, she admits herself that she was trying to corrupt Lacey), then it gives solid reasoning for Lacey to give to Mia that she needs to grow as a character as well. Otherwise, Mia can just say "You loved it, don't lie"

Would I be surprised if Lacey did kiss guys in college? no. However, I think it makes for better story telling if that was a line for Lacey personally that Mia crossed and laughed about.

However, I do think that if that's the case, then the motorcycle would have to be similar (because these have to be brought up again at some point). If my idea holds, then the motorcycle would similarly have to be a memory of a betrayal from Mia. It's easy if the fair had a "Wall of Death" or "Globe of Death" that the kiss took place for, but it could also be something like getting Lacey to sit on the motorcycle and making the guy hold her steady to try to help her balance. Maybe Lacey didn't want another guy touching her, but Mia made it happen

Again, this is all pure speculation, just thoughts and ideas.

Be serious dude....the way the pimp says it both times, I don't think the vampire was posing on a motorcyle and needed help to not fall. On her back with her legs spread....a very distinct possibility....same with the 'fun fair' comment....

I have not been on a motorcyle ride (truth)....heh yeah but bitch...remember that time with the motorcy....there's a reason the vampire shut her pimp down hard and fast.

 

[Chaoticjustice]

Neither of them understand it, because neither of them went through the normal formative process of young teens. It's a relationship between a narcissist and a co-dependent that was formed the same time that normal young teens form actual relationships.

The reason she could do those relationship-like things with others, is because those relationships were not this twisted thing she has with MC.

Whenever they both contemplate and say how better things would have been if they were together in college, I cringe. It would have been a nightmare for MC. Mia was just a catalyst for disorders Lacey has been carrying before college. She would have found some kind of catalyst no matter what. MC would have been endlessly cucked in college.

Someone has said her "other side" might be some kind of underlying resentment she has for MC and I thought it's very good theory. It checks out. But I don't think she would have been conscious of it, unless her therapist told her.

Honestly the resentment theory could carry weight as the more I think of it personally I wouldn't say Lacey is with the MC purely out of choice , yes choice might be a factor in it but I would say the dominant in this would be that she feels that she owes him something/ does owe him something so she's with the MC more out of obligation rather than choice

 

[anongamer1983]

Neither of them understand it, because neither of them went through the normal formative process of young teens. It's a relationship between a narcissist and a co-dependent that was formed the same time that normal young teens form actual relationships.

The reason she could do those relationship-like things with others, is because those relationships were not this twisted thing she has with MC.

Whenever they both contemplate and say how better things would have been if they were together in college, I cringe. It would have been a nightmare for MC. Mia was just a catalyst for disorders Lacey has been carrying before college. She would have found some kind of catalyst no matter what. MC would have been endlessly cucked in college.

Someone has said her "other side" might be some kind of underlying resentment she has for MC and I thought it's very good theory. It checks out. But I don't think she would have been conscious of it, unless her therapist told her.

I mentioned this a few times along with some other ideas of what the "other side" might be, so maybe it was me you are referencing. However, Lacey mentions her other side twice.

The first time, she hasn't seen what's on the barty video yet, but she's trying to remember and think of what she said, she says the following


L "I don't really know how to make all of you understand this."
L "There's this other side to me."
L "Maybe Mia gets it? But maybe not."
L "I'm not happy or proud of it."
L "And it's not... healthy."
L "I've got so much trauma, so much pain."
L "And the only thing that kept it in check was [MCFirst]."
L "When I left him to go to school..."

The second time, also before seeing the video but this time in her narration, she says
EDIT: Extra lines. The "There are pieces of me that I'm not ready to face" is the original reason I came up with the 'resentment' idea in the first place

LN "A part of me is scared though."
LN "There are pieces of me he's not ready to face."
LN "There are pieces of me that I'm not ready to face."
LN "There are two things that bind me to him."
LN "My undying love and the debt I can never repay."
LN "Even if the unthinkable happened and I somehow fell out of love."
LN "The debt still holds me to his side."

LN "I can never leave him."
LN "He already has to share me."
LN "He has to share me with my past, my addiction, my brain damage."
LN "And without knowing it, he has to share me with my other side."
LN "But he's not ready for that."
LN "He just isn't."
LN "A couple times I almost broke down and told him."
LN "But I can't risk him finding out before he's ready."
LN "Or maybe he'll never be ready. Then what?"
LN "Somehow make sure he never finds out?"
LN "I don't think I can hide it forever."

So all of this is in the context that she believed that she "said something bad or stupid" while Barty was recording her, and that Mia may understand it since she has seen Lacey during college and with MC

If it's resentment, then I do think it's something she only realized it during therapy. She never mentions another side before therapy after all. If she was saying things like "He was only ever there for me when I was with him. He never came to get me, never came to save me" or something like that, then of course, it's not something she'd want MC to hear, and she'd be disgusted with herself for even having those feelings

I do think the other side is more related to self hatred/self harm though. I think it lines up better in that the only way she could feel good is through hurting herself. She wanted to feel worthless, and she wanted MC to get over her. In this case, the hurtful thing she thought she may have said could be something like "Everyday, I hoped MC would stop texting me, that he moved on, but I just kept getting those fucking happy birthday calls.". Obviously, her dominant side wanted MC and liked the messages. However, her self hating side would have been upset every time MC gave her any sense or worth

 

[DeviantFun]

I don't know about that. Since we have no evidence from game files, I can only speculate. Narratively, if Lacey was on board with anything and everything, then it leaves no room for drama between Mia and Lacey. Sure, Lacey could blame Mia for her own decisions, but Mia still needs character growth. She's been awful again and again with no real consequences.

If Lacey drew hard lines with Stephen, Lorenzo, etc, such as kissing, and Mia actively crossed those boundaries (remember, she admits herself that she was trying to corrupt Lacey), then it gives solid reasoning for Lacey to give to Mia that she needs to grow as a character as well. Otherwise, Mia can just say "You loved it, don't lie"

Would I be surprised if Lacey did kiss guys in college? no. However, I think it makes for better story telling if that was a line for Lacey personally that Mia crossed and laughed about.

However, I do think that if that's the case, then the motorcycle would have to be similar (because these have to be brought up again at some point). If my idea holds, then the motorcycle would similarly have to be a memory of a betrayal from Mia. It's easy if the fair had a "Wall of Death" or "Globe of Death" that the kiss took place for, but it could also be something like getting Lacey to sit on the motorcycle and making the guy hold her steady to try to help her balance. Maybe Lacey didn't want another guy touching her, but Mia made it happen

Again, this is all pure speculation, just thoughts and ideas.

One thing we know for sure about hard limits is the emotional attachment, she didn't want to get attached to anyone because she wanted to be with MC and in her mind all that stuff she was doing (at least at the beginning) was justified in her head as: I am doing it to get over my hangups and go back to MC.

Then we know it became a game and Mc an afterthought, which is what I want the game to explore.

But we see it with her lovers from phase 1 and 2, stephen, lorenzo they all get ditched as soon as they want more and during phase 3 she was just getting gangbanged by strangers (even if we know there were repeat customers which were recognized by their dicks, bleh).
The only one that came close was Isaac, for several different reasons such as realizing that she is not damaged and spoiled goods.
Her love so tainted that even getting close could be harmful.

For the kiss we only have her words that I posted a few minutes ago.

Be serious dude....the way the pimp says it both times, I don't think the vampire was posing on a motorcyle and needed help to not fall. On her back with her legs spread....a very distinct possibility....same with the 'fun fair' comment....

I have not been on a motorcyle ride (truth)....heh yeah but bitch...remember that time with the motorcy....there's a reason the vampire shut her pimp down hard and fast.

This is implied, or even....explied? like it is obvious Lacey was taking loads on the motorcycle, else she wouldn't need to have that reaction, she is perfectly fine about talking other stuff happening, like not studying and so on.

She got ridden on it hard.

Same as the fair, just not on the attractions.

edit so I don't post 15 times in a row:

I mentioned this a few times along with some other ideas of what the "other side" might be, so maybe it was me you are referencing. However, Lacey mentions her other side twice.

The first time, she hasn't seen what's on the barty video yet, but she's trying to remember and think of what she said, she says the following


L "I don't really know how to make all of you understand this."
L "There's this other side to me."
L "Maybe Mia gets it? But maybe not."
L "I'm not happy or proud of it."
L "And it's not... healthy."
L "I've got so much trauma, so much pain."
L "And the only thing that kept it in check was [MCFirst]."
L "When I left him to go to school..."

The second time, also before seeing the video but this time in her narration, she says

LN "I can never leave him."
LN "He already has to share me."
LN "He has to share me with my past, my addiction, my brain damage."
LN "And without knowing it, he has to share me with my other side."
LN "But he's not ready for that."
LN "He just isn't."
LN "A couple times I almost broke down and told him."
LN "But I can't risk him finding out before he's ready."
LN "Or maybe he'll never be ready. Then what?"
LN "Somehow make sure he never finds out?"
LN "I don't think I can hide it forever."

So all of this is in the context that she believed that she "said something bad or stupid" while Barty was recording her, and that Mia may understand it since she has seen Lacey during college and with MC

If it's resentment, then I do think it's something she only realized it during therapy. She never mentions another side before therapy after all. If she was saying things like "He was only ever there for me when I was with him. He never came to get me, never came to save me" or something like that, then of course, it's not something she'd want MC to hear, and she'd be disgusted with herself for even having those feelings

I do think the other side is more related to self hatred/self harm though. I think it lines up better in that the only way she could feel good is through hurting herself. She wanted to feel worthless, and she wanted MC to get over her. In this case, the hurtful thing she thought she may have said could be something like "Everyday, I hoped MC would stop texting me, that he moved on, but I just kept getting those fucking happy birthday calls.". Obviously, her dominant side wanted MC and liked the messages. However, her self hating side would have been upset every time MC gave her any sense or worth

I am also very inclined to believe it is about self hatred and self harm.
Even if she spoke about it openly with MC already somehow:

L "I wasn't insatiable for the sex."
L "I was insatiable for the self punishment."
L "I wanted... (emotional) I wanted to hurt myself."
L "And I could not stop doing it."

L "You were going to find out about me."
L "And you were going to hate me."
L "The way I hate myself."
...
L "I saw your face."
L "And I was... whole again."
L "Just being near you heals me."

And the pimp confirms she hated herself even in the pictures where she is smiling.

So it is not exactly the best kept secret, maybe it is how she became when she hated herself for two long years that left unremovable scars?
A deeper and llonger look at how bad she hates herself?

 

[Dragonlight]

Brutal....

Holy shit, and here I thought you were a chill guy

I have my moments.
I`m coping cause I am actually feel bad about MC. Gallows humor one might say.

Why the hell Mia is constantly bringing up the past and making light of it ? Is that defense mechanism ? She don't want to be the bad guy so she trivialize the situation ? Or is she just badly written ? Or is it somehow part of Lacey`s plan to reprogram MC ? Thoughts ?

Sorry about bringing up Mia again, she`s just bothering me.

 

[anongamer1983]

Be serious dude....the way the pimp says it both times, I don't think the vampire was posing on a motorcyle and needed help to not fall. On her back with her legs spread....a very distinct possibility....same with the 'fun fair' comment....

I have not been on a motorcyle ride (truth)....heh yeah but bitch...remember that time with the motorcy....there's a reason the vampire shut her pimp down hard and fast.

Well, that's why I said the "easy" solution is that the kiss at the fair would have been the same as the motorcycle. Since you can only ask a single one of them in a playthrough, then in my speculation, the future act would have those 2 events one in the same as Lacey attacks Mia.

If there is a "motorcycle" ride at the fair, then it all makes sense. (plus, is it even possible to have slutty sex on a motorcyle? I just don't think the kickstand would hold out lol)

I strongly believe based on the text that these events will pop back up in the future, so I'm just looking for reasons outside of "oh hey, Lacey lied again (boring)"

Again, I am not saying you are wrong, I am purely speculating. I won't think it's a plot hole if I'm wrong, but I just think it'd add a lot more ammo for Lacey to use against Mia, and personally, I hate Mia XD

 

[Chaoticjustice]

Pretty insightful.
I have the same idea, we don't know if their relationship stayed the same, we see MC being able to open up when the rules are not needed.
Granted, we know Lacey sent everyone away and so did MC, but we can't know what would happen in a different environment.



On this is kinda disagree viscerally, in the same way that Lacey found the courage to try stuff when pushed by the pimp, she could have found the same with different motivations with MC.
Plus you are assigning this disorder or need from Lacey, the reasons she had sex are pretty well expanded upon, we don't need to invent anything.
If MC was with her Junior year would have not have happened.

Don't get me wrong, I fully agree that her disorders are tied to sex, she was abused sexually ffs, and what she did in college exacerbated the situation, she is pretty damaged thanks to her dear friend.

But as I said, we don't know what could have happened between them when the rules are not needed, when they are both leaving their past in a backroom and try to move forward and function.



This would be an interesting thing, at least it is not tied to sex, but I think it doesn't fit the story as of now.
It would check out with this whole love/resentment thing, being resentful because she couldn't live without him which would explain the ghosting and yet being absollutely crushed by the fact that she needs him and loves him.
K gave her an out and the pimp gave her the bike, so when she says she knew she was hurting him, it is not only in the back of her head, but a direct objective of hers.
Then she would regret it and the cycle continues.

This is speculation tho, not as bad as the "Bella is the mastermind behind everything that is happening to MC" but still speculative in nature.

So the more I think of it the closer I am to calling bullshit on Lacey's claim that she can't live without the MC

So we know she has already done it for four years with no issues

And let's be honest had Anna not of made that call she was never coming back , I don't actually think she ever references that she was coming back regardless she only ever says it's because of Annas call or something along those lines

 

[anongamer1983]

So the more I think of it the closer I am to calling bullshit on Lacey's claim that she can't live without the MC

So we know she has already done it for four years with no issues

And let's be honest had Anna not of made that call she was never coming back , I don't actually think she ever references that she was coming back regardless she only ever says it's because of Annas call or something along those lines

Unless she was lying about the suicide attempts, then I think it's true. She even hints that the three weeks with Isaac might have been another pseudo attempt at Suicide.

Speculation time:
Anna does specifically say "I lied to Lacey back in college, telling her that MC didn't care about her anymore"
Wouldn't it be dramatic if Anna said this out of spite from MC crying, and Anna just wanted to attack Lacey?
Wouldn't it be dramatic if that's really what made Junior year happen? (or at least Isaac)
Or what if Mia showed Lacey social media posts from Anna showing her and MC together some to start the corruption?
Could that be what really started Phase 3?

Anna does later say that she said that "after we came down from the cliffs", but she was allowed to lie during that part.

I will be the first to say that I don't think they are very likely to be true, but it would add a very dramatic day of reckoning for Anna (or Mia if she did those lies), so it'll be in the back of my mind when Act 3 comes out!

 

[DeviantFun]

I have my moments.
I`m coping cause I am actually feel bad about MC. Gallows humor one might say.

Why the hell Mia is constantly bringing up the past and making light of it ? Is that defense mechanism ? She don't want to be the bad guy so she trivialize the situation ? Or is she just badly written ? Or is it somehow part of Lacey`s plan to reprogram MC ? Thoughts ?

Sorry about bringing up Mia again, she`s just bothering me.

I don't see a character with that name in the story.

But if you mean the abusive bitch Pimp, no, it is not a part of some grand plan, she is just a horrible human being.
A distintive trait of the pimp is that she doesn't care about what people are or what they feel, she cares about having things her way, people are what she wants them to be, she doesn't ask, she doesn't care about anything but her "vision".
For fuck sake she brought drugs to a recovering addict that has issues staying clean.

She never suffered in college, she had plenty and plenty of fun, going at parties, pimping out her best friend, taking pictures and getting drunk.
She was having so much fun that when Lacey decided to sober up she didn't want to let it go and have a "last hurrah".
This makes you understand her mindset, you don't "hurrah" for painful stuff (the hurrah is leaving them behind forever), you "hurrah" for stuff you will miss and have to leave behind.

Simply she thinks the whole thing is fun so she jokes about it freely, the whole filters / no filters makes you understand how much of a garbage human she is, the guy you say you love and want for youself had a ptsd episode a week before the big event, if that happened, would a caring or even average person keep on going?
No they wouldn't.

Her no filter thing is simply translated with "I do not give a fuck", she did that to Anna with the BJ joke, using her love for MC which is pretty troubling for her as a joke.
She jokes about it like me and my buddies would joke about the crazy nights when we were young(er), that is all there is to it, MC, Lacey and their marriage be damned.

And the fact that Lacey participates in this, is disgusting to the next level, turbodisgusting.

Since I cannot seem to make everyone remember I will say it every single time we talk about the pimp: SHE CHEERED AND WAS HAPPY WHEN HER BEST FRIEND GOT SEXUALLY ASSAULTED.

This is why the pimp is a failed character and unless the author really kicks it into gear with the redemption no amount of crocodile tears will actually help restore the character standing.

edit because I am not done:

And even with a grueling and hard redemption arc, she could never be forgiven, hor mistakes accepted maybe, but never forgiven.
She ruined two people's lives for the sake of it, under the banner of being a "hopeless romantic", yeah sure, I bet seeing a drugged up abused girl getting gangbanged and raped (I am sorry but it is what it is, the last pictures of her not even knowing where she is are clear) is the new definition of romantic.
And don't think that hiding behind unrelated bullshit like: "eeeh but she is trumatized herself poor baby" can actually work or be believable.

 

[Dragonlight]

If Lacey drew hard lines with Stephen, Lorenzo, etc, such as kissing, and Mia actively crossed those boundaries (remember, she admits herself that she was trying to corrupt Lacey), then it gives solid reasoning for Lacey to give to Mia that she needs to grow as a character as well. Otherwise, Mia can just say "You loved it, don't lie"

On of my hypothesizes is that Mia`s behavior is some kind of defiance against Lacey. Maybe subconscious. Mia is the only one who actually witnessed all of Lacey`s adventures. Maybe she is sending signals "Dont trust that hoe" to the MC.

 

[DeviantFun]

Unless she was lying about the suicide attempts, then I think it's true. She even hints that the three weeks with Isaac might have been another pseudo attempt at Suicide.

Speculation time:
Anna does specifically say "I lied to Lacey back in college, telling her that MC didn't care about her anymore"
Wouldn't it be dramatic if Anna said this out of spite from MC crying, and Anna just wanted to attack Lacey?
Wouldn't it be dramatic if that's really what made Junior year happen? (or at least Isaac)
Or what if Mia showed Lacey social media posts from Anna showing her and MC together some to start the corruption?
Could that be what really started Phase 3?

Anna does later say that she said that "after we came down from the cliffs", but she was allowed to lie during that part.

I will be the first to say that I don't think they are very likely to be true, but it would add a very dramatic day of reckoning for Anna (or Mia if she did those lies), so it'll be in the back of my mind when Act 3 comes out!

No in the game you are not "allowed" to lie like that and Lacey never denies it.
We have a pretty good timeline that tells us when that happened, I am sorry but this time I cannot agree.

The isaac thing was surely a full on desperation mode, so it might have been a unconscous suicide attempt.

 

[Maviarab]

I have my moments.
I`m coping cause I am actually feel bad about MC. Gallows humor one might say.

Why the hell Mia is constantly bringing up the past and making light of it ? Is that defense mechanism ? She don't want to be the bad guy so she trivialize the situation ? Or is she just badly written ? Or is it somehow part of Lacey`s plan to reprogram MC ? Thoughts ?

Sorry about bringing up Mia again, she`s just bothering me.

For me, at this point especially (after the K in the Kitchen, love MC blah waahh)....is exactly like Lacey.

How many times did the MC in Act1 say, just stop doing things to hurt me. It's a very simple ask and incredibly simple to esecute and carry out. Neither of them are capable of that though. Everything that comes out of their putrid mouths is either an outright lie, a half-truth or a comment designed to punch the MC. They are exactly the same in a way, they can't help themselves. She also has no filter and never thinks, that can somewhat be excused unlike Lacey's, let me get my thoughts together so I can tell you something believable and calculated.

In reality, they are both utterly deplorable people who everytime they open their mouths, do something to verbally abuse the MC.

If there is a "motorcycle" ride at the fair, then it all makes sense. (plus, is it even possible to have slutty sex on a motorcyle? I just don't think the kickstand would hold out lol)

You can

Again, I am not saying you are wrong, I am purely speculating. I won't think it's a plot hole if I'm wrong, but I just think it'd add a lot more ammo for Lacey to use against Mia,

Sorry.....but from everything we've seen, especially, especially the K in the Kitchen scene.....can you actually give any reasons, any hint, at all...why you believe there is going to be an argument between the Vamp and the Pimp? Any at all....

So the more I think of it the closer I am to calling bullshit on Lacey's claim that she can't live without the MC

So we know she has already done it for four years with no issues

And let's be honest had Anna not of made that call she was never coming back , I don't actually think she ever references that she was coming back regardless she only ever says it's because of Annas call or something along those lines

"She promised me that after school was done she would come back to this city."
"And that she would love me the way I deserved to be loved."