VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 3] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[Dragonlight]

I don't see a character with that name in the story.

But if you mean the abusive bitch Pimp, no, it is not a part of some grand plan, she is just a horrible human being.
A distintive trait of the pimp is that she doesn't care about what people are or what they feel, she cares about having things her way, people are what she wants them to be, she doesn't ask, she doesn't care about anything but her "vision".
For fuck sake she brought drugs to a recovering addict that has issues staying clean.

She never suffered in college, she had plenty and plenty of fun, going at parties, pimping out her best friend, taking pictures and getting drunk.
She was having so much fun that when Lacey decided to sober up she didn't want to let it go and have a "last hurrah".
This makes you understand her mindset, you don't "hurrah" for painful stuff (the hurrah is leaving them behind forever), you "hurrah" for stuff you will miss and have to leave behind.

Simply she thinks the whole thing is fun so she jokes about it freely, the whole filters / no filters makes you understand how much of a garbage human she is, the guy you say you love and want for youself had a ptsd episode a week before the big event, if that happened, would a caring or even average person keep on going?
No they wouldn't.

Her no filter thing is simply translated with "I do not give a fuck", she did that to Anna with the BJ joke, using her love for MC which is pretty troubling for her as a joke.
She jokes about it like me and my buddies would joke about the crazy nights when we were young(er), that is all there is to it, MC, Lacey and their marriage be damned.

And the fact that Lacey participates in this, is disgusting to the next level, turbodisgusting.

Since I cannot seem to make everyone remember I will say it every single time we talk about the pimp: SHE CHEERED AND WAS HAPPY WHEN HER BEST FRIEND GOT SEXUALLY ASSAULTED.

This is why the pimp is a failed character and unless the author really kicks it into gear with the redemption no amount of crocodile tears will actually help restore the character standing.

When you put it like THAT its hard to argue lol. My only gripe is why professor wrote her like that. She have love points and everything so the author doesn`t see her like that, I think.

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And the fact that Lacey participates in this, is disgusting to the next level, turbodisgusting.

Agree, very disturbing. And MC playing it off instead of blowing up on her is upsetting.

And don't think that hiding behind unrelated bullshit like: "eeeh but she is trumatized herself poor baby" can actually work or be believable.

Wouldn`t dream of it

 

[Maviarab]

When you put it like THAT its hard to argue lol. My only gripe is why professor wrote her like that. She have love points and everything so the author doesn`t see her like that, I think.

At the risk of offending some people, of course the dev doesn't, the pimp is a woman.

They are never held accountable nor are they ever allowed to be called out on their behaviour. Very much true to form really isn't it? Maybe the dev is also having a nudge at current social commentary too in his story lol.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

Maybe the dev is also having a nudge at current social commentary too in his story lol.

The change of attitude in the begining of Act 2 sugests that

 

[anongamer1983]

Sorry.....but from everything we've seen, especially, especially the K in the Kitchen scene.....can you actually give any reasons, any hint, at all...why you believe there is going to be an argument between the Vamp and the Pimp? Any at all....

Yes, I have a few reasons
1.) Lacey is in therapy now, which is a big difference. Act 2 is just 1 single week, so I don't think Lacey has even been able to talk to her therapist about what Mia did yet. Ideally, it should help her see that Mia is and has been toxic
2.) The story is more interesting when it focuses on conflicts between the main characters, not the NTR villains. In most video games, each side character gets there own sidequest(s) that explore their backstory and development. I would be very surprised if Mia didn't get one here
3.) I just really really want it to be true lol

 

[Maviarab]

Yes, I have a few reasons
1.) Lacey is in therapy now, which is a big difference. Act 2 is just 1 single week, so I don't think Lacey has even been able to talk to her therapist about what Mia did yet. Ideally, it should help her see that Mia is and has been toxic
2.) The story is more interesting when it focuses on conflicts between the main characters, not the NTR villains. In most video games, each side character gets there own sidequest(s) that explore their backstory and development. I would be very surprised if Mia didn't get one here
3.) I just really really want it to be true lol

1. Perhaps and a fair point.
2. The fact Lacey did not slap her senseless and throw her out of the apartment (and ring/msg the MC, like she promised him, only 12 fucking hours earlier that she would do the minute she came into any kind of contact with the drug) should really tell you everything you need to know. It does for me at least.
3. Fair...but I doubt it would have any real resolution because...see #2.

4. She also isn't going to speak to her 'supposed, so called therapist' before the vacation, so there won't be any friction while away.

5. If her best friend (lol), brought K around, told her what it was for...and why...and still the vampire did nothing, do you really, honestly think some words from a 'therapist' is going to make any difference (in this story, after everything the pimp has already done and said)?

 

[Dragonlight]

2.) The story is more interesting when it focuses on conflicts between the main characters, not the NTR villains. In most video games, each side character gets there own sidequest(s) that explore their backstory and development. I would be very surprised if Mia didn't get one here

Maybe NTR Villains is Mia`s side quest ? I mean bags of drugs dont just appear out of thin air.

 

[AL.d]

1. Perhaps and a fair point.
2. The fact Lacey did not slap her senseless and throw her out of the apartment (and ring/msg the MC, like she promised him, only 12 fucking hours earlier that she would do the minute she came into any kind of contact with the drug) should really tell you everything you need to know. It does for me at least.
3. Fair...but I doubt it would have any real resolution because...see #2.

4. She also isn't going to speak to her 'supposed, so called therapist' before the vacation, so there won't be any friction while away.

5. If her best friend (lol), brought K around, told her what it was for...and why...and still the vampire did nothing, do you really, honestly think some words from a 'therapist' is going to make any difference (in this story, after everything the pimp has already done and said)?

She didn't slap her senseless because she intends to use her. During the king weekend, the visual choice for Mia was very intentional. That's the kind of dynamic Lacey wants for her in the sharing scheme. And Lacey having a dominant position in their relationship, is very obvious in their interactions when alone.

She was never threatened by the K scheme, because it wasn't even a scheme. Would have never worked like that. That's why she chastised her like a silly child and moved on.

I've said it before, in terms of manipulation skill and general intelligence, Lacey dunks on Mia with both hands.

edit : Btw, what happened to that bag full of drugs?

 

[CrysusPariah2]

She didn't slap her senseless because she intends to use her. During the king weekend, the visual choice for Mia was very intentional. That's the kind of dynamic Lacey wants for her in the sharing scheme. And Lacey having a dominant position in their relationship, is very obvious in their interactions when alone.

She was never threatened by the K scheme, because it wasn't even a scheme. Would have never worked like that. That's why she chastised her like a silly child and moved on.

I've said it before, in terms of manipulation skill and general intelligence, Lacey dunks on Mia with both hands.

edit : Btw, what happened to that bag full of drugs?

The big bag of drugs is gonna get confiscated by the TSA

 

[Chaoticjustice]

Maybe NTR Villains is Mia`s side quest ? I mean bags of drugs dont just appear out of thin air.

Is Mia the final boss after she got a replica of the MC's dick made to help with her fear , but really any sort of dildo should of done the trick

 

[DeviantFun]

If you dig into what she was doing in college and some of present behavior, it always point to disorders from her abuse. Those would have come out no matter what. Girl seeks validation from sex and shame. Those associations formed long before Mia. The how is obvious. You don't leave the past just by changing location. The whole game is proof of that.

We already know MC was walking on eggshells with her, couldn't even do basic couple stuff. I don't see how that would have changed in college. Obviously Lacey herself didn't believe that could change. She had registered MC mentally as something very different from a normal romantic/sexual partner. The shiny whale-shark. But the girl has been conditioned to seek validation from far worse than goblin sharks.


If it's that, I think it's the second. I assume Diane was dev's way to confirm one of her disorders, so I will take her narcissism as canon. Which checks out because she ticks all boxes. The specific type her behavior fits in, is based on self loathing. Unlike the common type we see in media (like Jared's), that's all about self adoration.

Dianne is a device for the wake up call for Lacey, for sure.

You see it in pretty bleak terms, I seen people recovering from abuse by changing the "scenery", that is obviously not the only ingredient, but for Lacey, MC is one of those ingredients.

Lacey willingness to get over her sexual hangup is clear, in my view, at some point she would have tried to overcome it even with MC.

If MC were there she would not have sought validation in that way, she would have probably sought isolation with him and only him.
MC would have needed to try and open her up softly, like he opened her up to eating chocolate.

That said this is all speculation of the highest degree, so it comes from our ideas and personal experiences, those might not reconcile.

When you put it like THAT its hard to argue lol. My only gripe is why professor wrote her like that. She have love points and everything so the author doesn`t see her like that, I think.

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Agree, very disturbing. And MC playing it off instead of blowing up on her is upsetting.


Wouldn`t dream of it

I am willing to listen to you if you have a different opinion or you see things in a different way.
Since it is you I promise I won't pounce .

The motivations behind Pimp behaviour are these:

MC_nvl "She thinks that people aren't genuine enough"
MC_nvl "And that people aren't their true selves until everything gets turned upside down"
MC_nvl "She does it because she thinks people can't be happy if they aren't who they were meant to be"

So she has her idea of what is genuine, and if I were Lacey I would be VERY diappointed, considering that she thinks the genuine version of Lacey is a gutter whore with no self respect (the pimp refer it as glorious) and she just pushes and manipulates people in that direction.

No matter who they are, no matter what they think, no matter the emotional and mental damage that she can cause.

Writers fail sometimes, he probably wanted to create this misunderstood, good natured and somewhat naive person that tries to get the best from people and as a result he wrote an abusive monster.
He needs to go back and retcon some stuff / give her a VERY powerful redemption arc, where she recognizes her mistakes, ATONES, separates from the group understanding the damage she has done and then maybe be accepted again.

1. Perhaps and a fair point.
2. The fact Lacey did not slap her senseless and throw her out of the apartment (and ring/msg the MC, like she promised him, only 12 fucking hours earlier that she would do the minute she came into any kind of contact with the drug) should really tell you everything you need to know. It does for me at least.
3. Fair...but I doubt it would have any real resolution because...see #2.

4. She also isn't going to speak to her 'supposed, so called therapist' before the vacation, so there won't be any friction while away.

5. If her best friend (lol), brought K around, told her what it was for...and why...and still the vampire did nothing, do you really, honestly think some words from a 'therapist' is going to make any difference (in this story, after everything the pimp has already done and said)?

She didn't slap her senseless because she intends to use her. During the king weekend, the visual choice for Mia was very intentional. That's the kind of dynamic Lacey wants for her in the sharing scheme. And Lacey having a dominant position in their relationship, is very obvious in their interactions when alone.

She was never threatened by the K scheme, because it wasn't even a scheme. Would have never worked like that. That's why she chastised her like a silly child and moved on.

I've said it before, in terms of manipulation skill and general intelligence, Lacey dunks on Mia with both hands.

edit : Btw, what happened to that bag full of drugs?

We don't know where the bag is, we don't know where it came from and we will probably won't know unless it is tied to familiar voice or used as a plot point later.
The pimp doesn't have money to get a new bikini but she does to get at least 6 grams of K, which in my country if you get it cheap would be around 200$ give or take, from internet research I see that in the Us it would have been more than double.

Anyway, you both discount what we see of the relationship between the pimp and her bitch.
The friendship is strong, for some reason they act like comrade in arms and they do not manage to stay angry at each other.

This is especially true for Lacey, she forgives and forgets in an extremely wasy way.
She, despite everything, tries to see the good in people and in their actions.

I know this will trigger you as you both despise her profoundly (well Maviarab has more of a love/hate relationship but he is pretty no nonsense with her), but in this case I don't see anything different from what Lacey usually does.

When the pimp exposed her past I would have expected a pretty gruesome confrontation, we don't see anything, because the pimp got forgiven instantly and the "sharing" plan was not even on the table then.

 

[Fmedic]

Well, Lacey has never cucked her other husbands, so thats a first.

God, that is so bad

 

[AL.d]

Dianne is a device for the wake up call for Lacey, for sure.

You see it in pretty bleak terms, I seen people recovering from abuse by changing the "scenery", that is obviously not the only ingredient, but for Lacey, MC is one of those ingredients.

Lacey willingness to get over her sexual hangup is clear, in my view, at some point she would have tried to overcome it even with MC.

If MC were there she would not have sought validation in that way, she would have probably sought isolation with him and only him.
MC would have needed to try and open her up softly, like he opened her up to eating chocolate.

That said this is all speculation of the highest degree, so it comes from our ideas and personal experiences, those might not reconcile.



I am willing to listen to you if you have a different opinion or you see things in a different way.
Since it is you I promise I won't pounce .

The motivations behind Pimp behaviour are these:

MC_nvl "She thinks that people aren't genuine enough"
MC_nvl "And that people aren't their true selves until everything gets turned upside down"
MC_nvl "She does it because she thinks people can't be happy if they aren't who they were meant to be"

So she has her idea of what is genuine, and if I were Lacey I would be VERY diappointed, considering that she thinks the genuine version of Lacey is a gutter whore with no self respect (the pimp refer it as glorious) and she just pushes and manipulates people in that direction.

No matter who they are, no matter what they think, no matter the emotional and mental damage that she can cause.

Writers fail sometimes, he probably wanted to create this misunderstood, good natured and somewhat naive person that tries to get the best from people and as a result he wrote an abusive monster.
He needs to go back and retcon some stuff / give her a VERY powerful redemption arc, where she recognizes her mistakes, ATONES, separates from the group understanding the damage she has done and then maybe be accepted again.




We don't know where the bag is, we don't know where it came from and we will probably won't know unless it is tied to familiar voice or used as a plot point later.
The pimp doesn't have money to get a new bikini but she does to get at least 6 grams of K, which in my country if you get it cheap would be around 200$ give or take, from internet research I see that in the Us it would have been more than double.

Anyway, you both discount what we see of the relationship between the pimp and her bitch.
The friendship is strong, for some reason they act like comrade in arms and they do not manage to stay angry at each other.

This is especially true for Lacey, she forgives and forgets in an extremely wasy way.
She, despite everything, tries to see the good in people and in their actions.

I know this will trigger you as you both despise her profoundly (well Maviarab has more of a love/hate relationship but he is pretty no nonsense with her), but in this case I don't see anything different from what Lacey usually does.

When the pimp exposed her past I would have expected a pretty gruesome confrontation, we don't see anything, because the pimp got forgiven instantly and the "sharing" plan was not even on the table then.

What you are describing is not exclusive to Lacey and Mia. For some reason the game has a weird sisterhood type of thing, where everything is promptly forgotten to keep them together. It's even more evident with Anna, because she doesn't even have their shared past.

And even new additions seem to form close bonds without any meaningful interaction. I think there is a lot of shit happening in the background between the girls, that the dev isn't showing. Because then it kinda becomes mutiple protag game.

Btw only reason I dislike Lacey more than Mia, is because MC isn't married to Mia. They are just as shitty, but in different ways.

And as a personal principle, I will never assign more blame for an adult's decisions to anyone other than the adult themselves. No matter the circumstance. Unless they literally have a gun on their head. So while I recognize Mia's part, the bulk of the blame for the college events falls on Lacey. The "they made me do it" mentality infantalizes adults and removes accountability. And I'm not about that.

 

[Fmedic]

Just on the toothbrush incident it annoyed me as well , but I don't get why she's opposed to stuff like that sober , cause let's face it fuck knows what she's had in her mouth in her past

You could tell me she's sucked on a prolapsed anus and I'd believe it

So what is she trying to achieve by trying to act all reserved around the MC even though he knows the worst of the worst

There are several things about the never have I ever that bothered me. It will never end for MC. One person on here said it is in the past and just forget about it BUT this isn't just a little college baggage, this is a ship load of baggage.

 

[Maviarab]

edit : Btw, what happened to that bag full of drugs?

This is where the writing utterly falls apart. I know, I know, I'm a broken fucking record lol...but seriously. What person, knowing your wife, knowing what her best friend did, after a mystery stranger has warned you...when your addict wife tells you what happened...would...not...ask...where...are....the....fucking....drugs...now ???

Seriously...it godamn infuriates me.

She didn't slap her senseless because she intends to use her. During the king weekend, the visual choice for Mia was very intentional. That's the kind of dynamic Lacey wants for her in the sharing scheme. And Lacey having a dominant position in their relationship, is very obvious in their interactions when alone.

She was never threatened by the K scheme, because it wasn't even a scheme. Would have never worked like that. That's why she chastised her like a silly child and moved on.

I'm not so sure on the use her angle myself. Remember what Lacey's biggest fear is? Mia just told her that's what she was/wanted to do....right to her face. I'm going to steal your husband and take this shit so you either no longer give a fuck or die.

And still...nothing happened. Why I said to anon, there will never be any antagonism or arguments between them. So even though she might be able to convice her to share....no blow up at all? Nothing...not even a bad word to the pimp? Just, beggers belief. Praise the writing, he a so called professional? No one acts like the morons in this story do.

When the pimp exposed her past I would have expected a pretty gruesome confrontation, we don't see anything, because the pimp got forgiven instantly and the "sharing" plan was not even on the table then.

This. Betrayed for the prupose of destroying your marriage. See my comment above to Ald....the biggest sole thing Lacey is scared of, the MC leaving. Oh that's ok Mia, don't worry about it.

Twice...

 

[Chaoticjustice]

There are several things about the never have I ever that bothered me. It will never end for MC. One person on here said it is in the past and just forget about it BUT this isn't just a little college baggage, this is a ship load of baggage.

I agree even if the MC is proactively trying to get past it , it will take months if not years to do so as there is just sooooooooo much he has to come to terms with

The main thing about act 2 that really rubbed me the wrong way was the three core girls all became quite unlikeable or more unlikeable depending who you ask

 

[DeviantFun]

What you are describing is not exclusive to Lacey and Mia. For some reason the game has a weird sisterhood type of thing, where everything is promptly forgotten to keep them together. It's even more evident with Anna, because she doesn't even have their shared past.

And even new additions seem to form close bonds without any meaningful interaction. I think there is a lot of shit happening in the background between the girls, that the dev isn't showing. Because then it kinda becomes mutiple protag game.

Btw only reason I dislike Lacey more than Mia, is because MC isn't married to Mia. They are just as shitty, but in different ways.

And as a personal principle, I will never assign more blame for an adult's decisions to anyone other than the adult themselves. No matter the circumstance. Unless they literally have a gun on their head. So while I recognize Mia's part, the bulk of the blame for the college events falls on Lacey. The "they made me do it" mentality infantalizes adults and removes accountability. And I'm not about that.

I often reduced your thought with: women in L&J do not get consequences, in act 1 before we know what is happening in act2 (which is still a tacked on storyline imo) barty is chastised heavily banned from the home etc.
And what Barty did was way less harmful compared to what Veronica, Christine or the pimp did.

I hold the same.principles as you, but I have seen firsthand how a broken, abused and drug filled individual will be way more susceptible to manipulation.

People in hospitals with their loves ones on their deathbed that are offered miracle cures or prayers or whatever always as a "modest price".
Desperation and pain make you vulnerable to evil people like the pimp.

There are several things about the never have I ever that bothered me. It will never end for MC. One person on here said it is in the past and just forget about it BUT this isn't just a little college baggage, this is a ship load of baggage.

Yes my brother, we need to burn this heresy to the ground.
Just as a curiosity, what were the parts that bothered you?

 

[Diosvincenccio]

Well, Lacey has never cucked her other husbands, so thats a first.

Either so far or as far as we know.

One of the points of Act 1 is that even with all those grand speeches Lacey is not beyond hurting MC for the "greater good", whatever she considers the greater good to be. Nor for her own gratification, sure she shows remorse later, but still goes with it. And this point is shown in a lenghty way, several times.

Now comes Act 2, and sudenly she is all proper and prim, or as much as she can be. Sure she hides things but passes an entire act without outright lying for example, as far as we know.

Act 1 has destroyed our trust in Lacey, and like MC, we believe her capable of doing anything that hurts.

 

[Maviarab]

this is a ship load of baggage.

It's a whole damn airport's worth lol.

 

[anongamer1983]

Writers fail sometimes, he probably wanted to create this misunderstood, good natured and somewhat naive person that tries to get the best from people and as a result he wrote an abusive monster.

I actually don't think that that was the writer's intention. I think that part of Lacey's recovery is learning to let go of toxic relationships that keep her in the past. I do think that Mia will take steps to get better and get back in the picture in the very next Act after the breaking point hits, but I think Mia is purposefully written as toxic and one of the anchors that holds Lacey at the bottom of the ocean. Until the line is cut, Lacey will never be able to swim to the surface.

Obviously I could be totally wrong here, but I just think that MC and Lacey aren't mentally equipped to recognize toxicity yet and what is hurting their relationship.

 

[Saphfire]

I enjoy reading all the different opinions in the thread, the deep thinking of somer people, the interpreting, the what if´s
Some people are missing logic and consistence in every sentence the prof wrote. Well you have to keep in mind that L&J
was initially just a short break before continuing OTMT. It took him just 4 weeks! to create the whole art, scripting, writing etc for act 1.
Here is what he wrote on patreon, maybe this makes people less harsh on the writing abilities:

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