VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 3] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[DeviantFun]

She even says it herself: His jealousy (aka pain) gets her off. That's the whole reason for the bar-flirting event.

Hmmm, I am not sure about this, she is definitely an emotional vampire that feeds on MC's strong emotions (love, anger, jealousy etc) and this is stated in the material.

She enjoying his pain has not been confirmed yet, quite the opposite.

But who knows, since act 3 started everything we sort of knew about her got spun around, so this might be a point that will come up with the whole "resentment" part.

Personally, I don't think the whole cucking video incident was a result of her not realizing how she would be on K again, or anything along those lines. My theory is, the thought of knowing how much she would be making him jealous, how insanely in misery he would be in the moment got her so hot and bothered that she just let loose and that is why ALL the rules were broken because she knew every single broken rule meant he was suffering beyond belief and that is candy to her.

This I have theorized too, since the explanation was very....weak for me (thanks to MC I love sex now so K does not disassociate me anymore, like it is a fucking choice , you get enough K you disassociate, that is it.), but I stuck with the material knowing that the drug portrayal is....creative.

Now that we have some OS info, it could have been the OS influence flaring up under K.

 

[funnythings3785]

Exactly. 100% correct. That is how her brain is hard-wired thanks to the abuse she had to suffer through. But she isn't mentally stable enough to face the demons in the abyss that is her psyche.

It is a reasonable assumption, but... as it is always... will this come to be the reality of her character or will it end up... well... being ignored while some resolution is given that completely ignores everything to force a specific state the professor is focused on.

 

[funnythings3785]

This I have theorized too, since the explanation was very....weak for me (thanks to MC I love sex now so K does not disassociate me anymore, like it is a fucking choice , you get enough K you disassociate, that is it.), but I stuck with the material knowing that the drug portrayal is....creative.

Now that we have some OS info, it could have been the OS influence flaring up under K.

Yeah, it is hard to really say. I have given up on any specific direction due to the massive writing changes, so who knows, this could all be memory holed by Act 4 and what we see after that is a different Lacey.

It really is so confusing.

 

[Lady Lydia]

Yes, but she hates, literally hates the aftermath of it. You are right, she absolutely craves his misery when she is making him jealous.

Personally, I don't think the whole cucking video incident was a result of her not realizing how she would be on K again, or anything along those lines. My theory is, the thought of knowing how much she would be making him jealous, how insanely in misery he would be in the moment got her so hot and bothered that she just let loose and that is why ALL the rules were broken because she knew every single broken rule meant he was suffering beyond belief and that is candy to her.

What she hates is seeing the consequence of her actions, the results of him in misery after her "high" is over with, having to deal with the fallout, the sadness and despair.

I still think whether she admits it or not, Lacey would love to have it where she could cuck him in the most hurtful ways, see him suffer in the moment, then have him massively angry, take her home and punish her near to death with extreme brutal sex... ending with them falling asleep in each others arms and him waking the next day with no thought or care to what happened.

If she could have his pain and suffering without the consequences later, I think she would eat it right up.

Yep I agree with what you say here, but I wonder if that was merely a callous thought process she had under the K or her deciding in the first place to cuck the MC was for that reason, which is why I believe that Lacey is trying to corrupt the MC, try to make what she does acceptable so the MC will be able to overlook it in the long run, so she'll still be able to do sexual stuff with others and your notion she goes it so she can make him jealous and he'll 'reclaim' her make perfect sense. She is trying to bring the MC further along the line of corruption to be more sexually open and flexible, but not so far as she is, she want him more along the line of a middleground, sexually liberated but not a slut.

As I said I think when the cat got out of the bag and the MC got hurt by what she did in College she figured their is no undoing the past, but their is changing her husband to make it acceptable so he'll be able to get over it, its a twisted way to figure things out, but I can see the logic, intellectually speaking it make sense, emotionally speaking its questionable.

 

[NewGuy2022]

Hmmm, I am not sure about this, she is definitely an emotional vampire that feeds on MC's strong emotions (love, anger, jealousy etc) and this is stated in the material.

She enjoying his pain has not been confirmed yet, quite the opposite.

But who knows, since act 3 started everything we sort of knew about her got spun around, so this might be a point that will come up with the whole "resentment" part.



This I have theorized too, since the explanation was very....weak for me (thanks to MC I love sex now so K does not disassociate me anymore, like it is a fucking choice , you get enough K you disassociate, that is it.), but I stuck with the material knowing that the drug portrayal is....creative.

Now that we have some OS info, it could have been the OS influence flaring up under K.

I'm sorry; OS means?

 

[DeviantFun]

I'm sorry; OS means?

Other side, should have been clearer, apologies.

 

[NewGuy2022]

Other side, should have been clearer, apologies.

No worries. By that, I'm assuming you mean her other personality?

 

[funnythings3785]

Yep I agree with what you say here, but I wonder if that was merely a callous thought process she had under the K or her deciding in the first place to cuck the MC was for that reason, which is why I believe that Lacey is trying to corrupt the MC, try to make what she does acceptable so the MC will be able to overlook it in the long run, so she'll still be able to do sexual stuff with others and your notion she goes it so she can make him jealous and he'll 'reclaim' her make perfect sense. She is trying to bring the MC further along the line of corruption to be more sexually open and flexible, but not so far as she is, she want him more along the line of a middleground, sexually liberated but not a slut.

As I said I think when the cat got out of the bag and the MC got hurt by what she did in College she figured their is no undoing the past, but their is changing her husband to make it acceptable so he'll be able to get over it, its a twisted way to figure things out, but I can see the logic, intellectually speaking it make sense, emotionally speaking its questionable.

Well, it is one theory. Also your mention falls in line with that as well I think. Lacey doesn't want him to be like her, because if he was, he would be doing things outside of her control and she gets seriously jealous of him as well. What it "seems" that she may want is to bring him to just that point as you say to allow her to do as she likes, but still be reigned in enough where she gets to decide how things go, who he gets to be with, etc...

As to if that is completely supported in the dialogue, DeviantFun would be able to say, but it is at times how I see her act.

If we were at Act 2 though, I wouldn't be pushing this theory as much as there were different vibes and directions seeming to develop, but after Act 3, honestly... I don't think anything is truly off the table.

 

[WannabeShady90]

I still think whether she admits it or not, Lacey would love to have it where she could cuck him in the most hurtful ways, see him suffer in the moment, then have him massively angry, take her home and punish her near to death with extreme brutal sex... ending with them falling asleep in each others arms and him waking the next day with no thought or care to what happened.

If she could have his pain and suffering without the consequences later, I think she would eat it right up.

It is actually even more fucked up than that. Lacey uses the people like Anna who feel genuine affection for Captain SaveAHoe as an emotional tampon to pick up the broken pieces she left behind. There is a reason why I said multiple times that this relationship is beyond toxic. My theory is that Lacey tried "shock therapy" to make Captain SaveAHoe like her. Now she emphasizes everything must be built up with care like a garden. I fear she tries to gaslight him slowly into accepting some kind of open relationship, that's why she's building her "escorts" aka his harem and emotional support group up for him. Maybe that is even the reason our "antagonists" become more human over time like in: If he likes the people I cuck him with and give him control over it, he will accept it. If that is the case, I hope we at least get the option to back out like during the last events. If I am forced to stay with Lacey, I at least want her to be a loving, faithful wife. Otherwise I probably will drop the game. I want to see some resolution and path forward, not just continued suffering,

 

[funnythings3785]

It is actually even more fucked up than that. Lacey uses the poeple like Anna who feel genuine affected for Captain SaveAHoe as an emotional tampon to pick up the broken pieces she left behind. There is a reason why I said multiple times that this relationship is beyond toxic. My theory is that Lacey tried "shock therapy" to make Captain SaveAHoe like her. Now she emphasizes everything must be built up with care like a garden. I fear she tries to gaslight him slowly into accepting some kind of open relationship, that's why she's building her "escorts" aka his harem and emotional support group up for him. Maybe that is even the reason our "antagonists" become more human over time like in: If he likes the people I cuck him with and give him control over it, he will accept it. If that is the case, I hope we at least get the option to back out like during the last events. If I am forced to stay with Lacey, I at least want her to be a loving, faithful wife. Otherwise I probably will drop the game. I want to see some resolution and path forward, not just continued suffering,

I wouldn't mind a variation of Frankenstein's monster sort of ending in there that is the result of Lacey driving him mad with her manipulation and it backfires. At least one ending like that and some other types on the bad endings.

 

[WannabeShady90]

I wouldn't mind a variation of Frankenstein's monster sort of ending in there that is the result of Lacey driving him mad with her manipulation and it backfires. At least one ending like that and some other types on the bad endings.

Do you know what would actually be funny? If we get a "tragic romance" ending similar to what Slim Shady sang about in his song "Kim".

 

[monkeyqueen]

I will not go into the rest of your post on which I might even agree, especially on the trauma and meds part.

But she started loving sex when she started having sex with MC, which if you look at the scenes, is not the "most hurtful forms of sex".
And feels love differently than what you are implying.

In theory what you are saying it might make sense, but it is not corroborated by the material, check the marriage night, damian and other sex scenes with MC (maybe not the wine bottle one haha)

I've blocked the person you are responding to so I can't see BUT I think you are partially right.

Check out my red bench theory. I think the bra colors matter.

White bra - loving intimate sex
Red bra- masochistic sex with her favorite monster
Black bra - drug addict, party girl, everyone's sex toy

Note what she is saying in the fisting scene - she thinks of those three as different women living inside of her. And we actually hear white bra and black bra Lacey fighting each other

Why was sadistic-masochistic sex the best sex she had since the wedding night? Because the wedding was white bra Lacey's big night. This was red bra Lacey's big night

You know the text very well - why does the MC think it's hard to do red bra night without the bra? Theory: he also needs to change personas to deal. Brown suit MC had to give red bra Lacey what she needed. And that is the job of red leather pants MC.

Second question for you - when Lacey is out drunk all night and texts him time and time again but he never receives them where did those texts go? Who got them. This is an informational question.

 

[DeviantFun]

I've blocked the person you are responding to so I can't see BUT I think you are partially right.

Check out my red bench theory. I think the bra colors matter.

White bra - loving intimate sex
Red bra- masochistic sex with her favorite monster
Black bra - drug addict, party girl, everyone's sex toy

Note what she is saying in the fisting scene - she thinks of those three as different women living inside of her. And we actually hear white bra and black bra Lacey fighting each other

Why was sadistic-masochistic sex the best sex she had since the wedding night? Because that was white bra Lacey's big night. This was red bra Lacey's big night

You know the text very well - why does the MC think it's hard to do red bra night without the bra? Theory: he also needs to change personas to deal. Brown suit MC had to give red bra Lacey what she needed. And that is the job of red leather pants MC.

Second question for you - when Lacey is out drunk all night and texts him time and time again but he never receives them where did those texts go? Who got them. This is an informational question.

So it is a common this for traumatized people or even with couples that work on their intimacy to give "non verbal signals".

You dress in a specific way, so that you do not have to explain, it is an agreed code of sort that allows and helps the partner to understand your needs.

It is done also in the opposite: dress in a specific way to communicate that any intimacy is off the table, to avoid refusing your partner, which is often painful for both parties.

Maybe you are right on the whole allegory of colours, but since it is a theory I do not go along with it until it is confirmed.

as for your questions:

You know the text very well - why does the MC think it's hard to do red bra night without the bra?

MC doesn't think it is hardER per se, but red bra is very ritualistic, Mc in other occasions such as punish path wants to "compartmentalize" (sp?) their sessions.
Red bras are HARD for MC, he spent his whole life trying to not hurt Lacey and now he has to do to just that, he will do anything for her (both healthy and unhealthy things due to his trauma but this one comes from love) so he forces himself to do it.
Remember red bra in act 2 with the cockknocker 250? (in punish path we might get the 500!) He is absolutely disgusted for reasons, he will still complete his task, because that is what Lacey needs.
So, in synthesys, MC is surprised that their ritual is broken, and if it is broken it means it is a clear emergency, as he has also seen just before with the OS flaring up.
Oh and you might be right, MC needs to act his role, or "persona" as you mention.

Second question for you - when Lacey is out drunk all night and texts him time and time again but he never receives them where did those texts go? Who got them. This is an informational question.

If you mean the texts when Lacey is at the Brimley party and dances with Will, she sends the texts to Mia instead of MC (they both start with an M so it is an honest mistake ), Mia then proceeds to insult Lacey (either because she is angry and is preparing her devious plan in act 2 or because that is how they talk to each other regularly).
What never sat well with me is why Lacey actually goes to the party, as she asks MC to be home so they can talk properly about some important things.

 

[monkeyqueen]

So it is a common this for traumatized people or even with couples that work on their intimacy to give "non verbal signals".

You dress in a specific way, so that you do not have to explain, it is an agreed code of sort that allows and helps the partner to understand your needs.

It is done also in the opposite: dress in a specific way to communicate that any intimacy is off the table, to avoid refusing your partner, which is often painful for both parties.

Maybe you are right on the whole allegory of colours, but since it is a theory I do not go along with it until it is confirmed.

as for your questions:

You know the text very well - why does the MC think it's hard to do red bra night without the bra?

MC doesn't think it is hard per se, but red bra is very ritualistic, Mc in other occasions such as punish path wants to "compartmentalize" (sp?) their sessions.

Red bras are HARD for MC, he spent his whole life trying to not hurt Lacey and now he has to do to just that, he will do anything for her (both healthy and unhealthy things due to his trauma but this one comes from love) so he forces himself to do it.

Thanks! Your response to my text question works against one of my theories - I was wondering if she was sending them to one of MC's alternates.

I think there's a red MC, a brown MC and the original black shirt MC.

For me developing theories before they are confirmed is one my favorite things to do - one of my fan theories for Game of Thrones actually turned out to be right (that Sansa would become a sadistic tyrant and queen in the north - most fans weren't getting it because the clues were in DeSade's stories)

 

[NewGuy2022]

Well, it is one theory. Also your mention falls in line with that as well I think. Lacey doesn't want him to be like her, because if he was, he would be doing things outside of her control and she gets seriously jealous of him as well. What it "seems" that she may want is to bring him to just that point as you say to allow her to do as she likes, but still be reigned in enough where she gets to decide how things go, who he gets to be with, etc...

As to if that is completely supported in the dialogue, DeviantFun would be able to say, but it is at times how I see her act.

If we were at Act 2 though, I wouldn't be pushing this theory as much as there were different vibes and directions seeming to develop, but after Act 3, honestly... I don't think anything is truly off the table.

She can't allow the MC to be like her because then they would be equal and she couldn't be in control. She craves control (MC, the harem girls, etc.).

As others have said, she wants him to be corrupt enough to do what she wants and orders, but not corrupt enough to self-determine.

 

[NewGuy2022]

What never sat well with me is why Lacey actually goes to the party, as she asks MC to be home so they can talk properly about some important things.

Control

 

[funnythings3785]

Do you know what would actually be funny? If we get a "tragic romance" ending similar to what Slim Shady sang about in his song "Kim".

That song is pretty rough (I had to look up the lyrics, never listened to him really).

I think a "mental break" ending is possible, but it would have to fit the character and reason it. I am not big on revenge in this story (though act 3 is pushing my buttons) as up until now, Lacey has always been... questionable in motive, but never nailed down as specifically an intent of such hateful motive and disregard for the MC.

A "break" ending where something crazy happens is reasonable though, where he runs off the cliff so to speak mentally, but I seriously doubt the professor is going to allow his favored characters to be "put to the axe" so to speak. Heck, I even think the MC getting any sort of self empowered ending is likely off the tables due to what we have seen so far...

At best, we can hope for an ending where the MC isn't completely left in the dark as it concerns the "happy" of that ending, but still comes up short. It is very possible what the professor terms as "good" could end up making many of us want to throw up.

Now most of the other NTR games I have played out there, honestly... they need revenge endings, and they need seriously punishing ones. The women in those games are evil to the core.

 

[monkeyqueen]

Control

Never in my life have ever seen a work so misinterpreted. Really and truly. People are really falling for the "evil wife" trope . . .

People imaging that the MC is the abuse / manipulation victim are hallucinating. Gristle is the dom Lacey is the sub. He the abuser, she is the abused - Lacey only controls other women

I finally found that scene btw. It's strange that Gristle - not Lacey - decides that she mistakenly texted Mia. I'm not giving up the theory that she accidentally sent them to Red MC instead of black shirt MC. And we never get any confirmation from Mia.

Granted, Mia is her best friend but she has other contacts and "Gristle" and "Mia" are two very different names . . .

 

[monkeyqueen]

She can't allow the MC to be like her because then they would be equal and she couldn't be in control. She craves control (MC, the harem girls, etc.).

As others have said, she wants him to be corrupt enough to do what she wants and orders, but not corrupt enough to self-determine.

bullshit. Lacey seeks to be loved, protected, dominated and punished.

You are buying into the sexist NTR trope that The Prof is challenging

MC "The one thing you need to know about her."
MC "is that she's never done anything to purposefully hurt me."
MC "And it took me way too long to come to terms with that."
MC "Everything she does is because one of three things."
MC "One, she's trying to help me."
MC "Two, she doesn't realize what's going on."
MC "Or three, she's just being stupid. And we all do stupid things and need forgiveness for them."

 

[NewGuy2022]

Heck, I even think the MC getting any sort of self empowered ending is likely off the tables due to what we have seen so far...

It is very possible what the professor terms as "good" could end up making many of us want to throw up.

Now most of the other NTR games I have played out there, honestly... they need revenge endings, and they need seriously punishing ones. The women in those games are evil to the core.

Agree x3.

But since this game is really about Lacey, "good" will be with respect to her viewpoint. MC's view will be irrelevant unless it supports what Lacey wants. I'm fully prepared to be sickened by what are termed "good" endings.

I've softened my view on revenge; at this point I'd be thrilled with mere escape for the MC

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I hope I have to report that I'm wrong when this is over; I just don't see that happening with this author's work so far.

I'm surprised the dev considered this story to be about NTR because the real major character (Lacey) hasn't been cheated on or lost her LI; on my playthroughs only 2 girls have even seen Gristle's penis, much less touched it, and those two were Lacey and once by Anna (on Lacey's orders). On those rare occasions the player was allowed to choose, I chose "no." Always.

It bothers me that the MC will be forced into sex with yet another LI in Act 4. I'm trying to distance Gristle from those NPCs, not tie him closer. I want to see Gristle heal...