VN Ren'Py Lovephobia [v0.80v4] [Kuviragames]

[ChubbyFatBoy]

I hope nobody. The story is quite good and more realistic than the average porn game, and the characters are likeable; it would be a shame if this game turns into another mess where MC is an idiot or the female love interest an uncaring slut.

I hope the dev can keep up the positive vibe of the story and the personality of the characters, and also the healthy relationship between MC and his love. They are really cute together and it's unfortunately rare in porn games with NTR that a couple has a healthy and positive relationship. It's almost as if people think a dysfunctional relationship is required for NTR.

So, instead of MC doing stupid things and / or Ava turning into a spiteful slut, I hope there will be an antagonist who can attract and dominate Ava, exploit her weaknesses and just be somebody whom she can't say no to (and of course, this guy should not only get Ava, but also the mom, the sister and all the other women around MC ). Some kind of counter part to the cute, white knight that MC is; not a brute bully, but a smart, but selfish, uncaring and immoral boy.
MC shouldn't do anything wrong, he just shouldn't be this antagonist; the women love MC, but they submit (sexually) to the antagonist.

So in short, imho: NTR shouldn't happen because of a stupid, "tripping" MC or a vengeful girlfriend, but because of an interesting, "dangerous" antagonist.

You can't have a more realistic portrayal, a healthy relationship, and a magical antagonist who can somehow steal everyone away. All without a retarded MC. Something within that concoction you want to see, has to give. The dev would actively have to start tossing in landmines. Leading to a series of unfortunate events that just happen to cause more damage then expected. Hell Ava alone would require fighting uphill to make it make sense. If the players aren't expected to be the reason for a rift to happen.

 

[Eleanorduval]

No. Not yet. Will still take a good amount of updates before it happens what you are waiting for.

Hope the mom ntr is avoidable,not everyone here are ntr fan.Plus remember u said before u don’t want bad thing happen to the mom,and said u love belly rub…

 

[Kuviragames]

Also correct me if I'm wrong but if there is no sexual relationship between the mom and sister and the MC doesn't it then step away from the NTR side of things and become more of a humiliation theme eg I fucked your mom or I fucked your sister , unless I have misread and the NTR is to do more with your dad and the sister bf

I am not 100% sure what the yellow part is exactly saying. Sorry still working on my English.
But so I can't give you really an answer or comment here.

Also I will admit I've been fucking all round me in this game like a dog in heat , but with Ava she's my ride or die I absolutely love the dynamic between her and the MC , now with that being said I just don't see her cheating on the MC it would just feel unnatural now would she maybe put him and in the dog house and absolutely go through him because of it damm right see would

Totally not gonna spoil Avas NTR part. I just say.. I thought a huge amount of time what I consider the best way to make her cheat in way that you think.. that sucks that she did it but it's not bullshit. Don't saying it is a good NTR/cheating scene.. just saying it won't be bullshit which is for me the most important part... on the other hand maybe some people will still call it bullshit. Well we all just have to wait a bit longer.

Also if she was to do something I see it being with a woman rather than a man but I also see it as more of a way to tease the MC rather than hurt him - don't know if this is connected to a certain bed scene in the hospital with a certain someone haha

Haha. The option is not just for fun but it has nothing to do with the NTR/cheat part on Ava.

But back to my point yes I've been fucking around but I've also just had a scene where Ava is like let's be clear this is my dick il tattoo my name on it if I have too , could be that's unavoidable but I would also say that adds to the fact that yes she does care about the MC deeply the only way I could see her getting mad is if you sleep with a certain someone from her household haha so I have no idea what path I'm on then

Isn't it more fun if not everything is clear
That scene is not avoidable. No matter if Ava is your girlfriend or not. But I can tell you if you continue fucking around she is going to mad.

So I used my incredible highly professional Paint skills to show the difference between a normal branching game and the mess that I created. Of course it is not 100% correct but it should just give you an idea.

On top is how you usually structure a game and below the total mess I did. I guess its self explaining. And the blue line is Jenny and not Jonny.

 

[jeans0910]

How to masturbate in front of mom?

 

[Kuviragames]

I'm more interested in what Jenny has been up too based on those pictures haha

There is one picture a few pages back if you really want to know.

 

[Kuviragames]

You can't have a more realistic portrayal, a healthy relationship, and a magical antagonist who can somehow steal everyone away. All without a retarded MC. Something within that concoction you want to see, has to give. The dev would actively have to start tossing in landmines. Leading to a series of unfortunate events that just happen to cause more damage then expected. Hell Ava alone would require fighting uphill to make it make sense. If the players aren't expected to be the reason for a rift to happen.

I couldn't phrase it in a better way.

 

[Kuviragames]

Hope the mom ntr is avoidable,not everyone here are ntr fan.Plus remember u said before u don’t want bad thing happen to the mom,and said u love belly rub…

Yes. You can save the mom.

 

[Kuviragames]

How to masturbate in front of mom?

That doesn't work. That is more a joke because I played so many games with unnecessary choices. No incest and no masturbating in front of mom.

 

[Eleanorduval]

That doesn't work. That is more a joke because I played so many games with unnecessary choices. No incest and no masturbating in front of mom.

One today u find yourself tied on a chair,with all joke u made lol

 

[Kuviragames]

One today u find yourself tied on a chair,with all joke u made lol

At least I had my fun on the way to that point.

 

[Eleanorduval]

Yes. You can save the mom.

Great don’t forget I have alway bow and arrow next me lol i dunno breham are annoying me,maybe because i don’t approve his relation with the sister x)

 

[Ursus4321]

Indeed, that's me. And I agree. The NTR in that game is incredibly weak. It's more sharing/voyeurism and MC fucking everyone. There is a German translation, but not made by me and that guy hasn't updated it yet to the most recent version.

Anyway... yeah, the anti-NTR crowd are pretty weak and lame. They often feel obligated to post that they won't play a game if it has NTR, let alone support it. They must leave their faggy, limp dick, angry reactions for all NTR games. They sometimes send death threats to devs who dare include content they hate in their games. Basically... completely irrational, small dick, virgin, losers. But... they're not all bad... some of them just want to be able to avoid that content and still enjoy the game. Those are the ones I like.

It's funny when a defender of playing with a cuckold avatar talks about small, flaccid penises and describes those who don't think like him as "faggots" and "weak." Which is exactly the picture of the avatar they're defending. Do you like cuckolds? Fine for you, but don't try to insult and belittle those who don't like cuckolding.

 

[Kuviragames]

Great don’t forget I have alway bow and arrow next me lol i dunno breham are annoying me,maybe because i don’t approve his relation with the sister x)

That's good to know Legolas.

Well it was my intention that people are annoyed/dislike her boyfriend. I just wanted to take another approach than the usual College Quarterback asshole.

 

[Kuviragames]

GetOutOfMyLab and Ursus4321

Please guys do me a favor and don't start a war in here. If you want to continue talking about that I would highly appreciate if you would do that over private messages.

 

[Eleanorduval]

At least I had my fun on the way to that point.

That's good to know Legolas.

Well it was my intention that people are annoyed/dislike her boyfriend. I just wanted to take another approach than the usual College Quarterback asshole.

i give up and let other player punish u for your trick behram have weak personality what the sis see in him?she must be blind.Hope there will be Scene with Zuni,2nd change if we missed 1st scene with her?

 

[Eleanorduval]

GetOutOfMyLab and Ursus4321

Please guys do me a favor and don't start a war in here. If you want to continue talking about that I would highly appreciate if you would do that over private messages.

Actually it is a kinks shaming and not allowed by rules.Plus he don t have rights to force players to adhere to his opinion.Pointless post and nothing justify to be aggressive.Plus u have never said you want to make a strict NTR game .U always said it doesn’t fit with the character in the game

 

[Chaoticjustice]

I am not 100% sure what the yellow part is exactly saying. Sorry still working on my English.
But so I can't give you really an answer or comment here.


Totally not gonna spoil Avas NTR part. I just say.. I thought a huge amount of time what I consider the best way to make her cheat in way that you think.. that sucks that she did it but it's not bullshit. Don't saying it is a good NTR/cheating scene.. just saying it won't be bullshit which is for me the most important part... on the other hand maybe some people will still call it bullshit. Well we all just have to wait a bit longer.


Haha. The option is not just for fun but it has nothing to do with the NTR/cheat part on Ava.


Isn't it more fun if not everything is clear
That scene is not avoidable. No matter if Ava is your girlfriend or not. But I can tell you if you continue fucking around she is going to mad.

So I used my incredible highly professional Paint skills to show the difference between a normal branching game and the mess that I created. Of course it is not 100% correct but it should just give you an idea.

On top is how you usually structure a game and below the total mess I did. I guess its self explaining. And the blue line is Jenny and not Jonny.

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Sorry for the layout on this I'm replying on my phone so I can't quote it how I'd like so il take it point by point

So the bit in yellow -The Japanese netorare translates to “to be taken off.” The term is often loosely translated as “cuckold” as well, which refers to the husband or boyfriend of an adulteress - so with that definition you wouldn't apply that to the MC as typically it only applies where there is a sexual relationship already in place hence why it would apply only to the dad and jenny's boyfriend, so with there being no incest tag nothing with in the spectrum of NTR would apply to the MC , now depending on who bangs the mum and or sister I will say for the sake of an example it's a friend of the MC if said friend slept with the mum or sister it would be humiliation if anything like haha bro guess what I banged your mum/ sister - hope this makes more sense?

Interesting with Ava I've a few questions so I get that you'll try and answer them without spoilers or if you want to DM me around them that's fine -1, if it does happen does Ava consistently cheat or is it a one of or does it trigger more often depending how often you cheat , but I also get the impression with Ava she would do it to be like look it's not so fucking nice is it haha rather than her being bored of the MC or wanting to leave him . 2, is there set girls that won't trigger Ava cheating or is it that you can play around with her consent as she has given it for one female so far or does it remain at that - this question I'm aware it will be a tough one to answer without spoilers so I do apologize

Also the hospital bed scene so that would suggest a potential casual fun situation or the dynamics of the mcs and Ava's relationship become a bit more free haha

Interesting I look forward to it but I would imagine if Ava finds out that someone else In her household has been involved she would be mad haha but on the other hand part of me is like don't rule it given what she has already agreed too haha

In regards to the story I do like the fact you have made it intertwined so it all connects or that's what your plan is at least rather than individual branches which don't really have a knock on effect to other branches

I'm going to have to do another play through now haha as much as I love fucking around Ava holds a special place in my heart , also I just wanted to say I really like your choices in regards to love interests and largely each of them has something that connects them to eachother so they have a past together sort of thing rather than it just being a selection of strangers and your only worry is that you don't run into one Li while out with another haha

Also any plans for a walkthrough at any stage? - forget about this just seen there is a walkthrough mod haha

 

[Chaoticjustice]

That doesn't work. That is more a joke because I played so many games with unnecessary choices. No incest and no masturbating in front of mom.

This made me laugh tho I do wish there had of been like an internal fight like god dam it let me do it ,then it sort of goes you really thought I would haha naughty naughty your teasing me haha

 

[Power Broker]

You can't have a more realistic portrayal, a healthy relationship, and a magical antagonist who can somehow steal everyone away. All without a retarded MC. Something within that concoction you want to see, has to give. The dev would actively have to start tossing in landmines. Leading to a series of unfortunate events that just happen to cause more damage then expected. Hell Ava alone would require fighting uphill to make it make sense. If the players aren't expected to be the reason for a rift to happen.

I disagree with this statement. The development of an NTR-storyline in a realistic setting with a healthy relationship between non-retarded people and a competent antagonist is possible without landmines and unfortunate events. It happens in real life, too.

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The assumption that a wife only ever cheats when he makes a mistake or is a retard or their relationship is over is a bit short sighted.

 

[Chaoticjustice]

I disagree with this statement. The development of an NTR-storyline in a realistic setting with a healthy relationship between non-retarded people and a competent antagonist is possible without landmines and unfortunate events. It happens in real life, too.

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The assumption that a wife only ever cheats when he makes a mistake or is a retard or their relationship is over is a bit short sighted.

I agree with your points here also with the story and the characters isn't that the back story for every blackmail NTR game ever haha the wrong thing for the right reasons haha

But for me personally I don't see the MC as a white knight I just think he's not a dick , I think with there being so many ntr games as of late it has muddy the lines in the aspect that we only see characters as dominant males , submissive push overs and white knights so to speak , that we forget that an MC could have little to no flaws and is generally just a nice person and not a massive dick or has no spine whatsoever , how ever everyone has there own opinion that's just my say on the matter