VN Ren'Py Lovephobia [v0.80v4] [Kuviragames]

[Kuviragames]

Well that kinda goes back to my point... why make it avoidable for only mom, but not sis?

Also, I'll have to disagree a bit. Why would someone have a negative feeling (apart from wanting to protect their family from scummy bastards) about them having relationships?

Because:

2. And the "NTR/Cheating" whatever you wanna name it is a bit connected to other things/parts.. and because I am a drama mama and I need some drama.

That means I need Jenny to cheat on her boyfriend for future parts/things not gonna name it yet.

Also, I'll have to disagree a bit. Why would someone have a negative feeling (apart from wanting to protect their family from scummy bastards) about them having relationships?

I only have a brother and I don't care who he has sex with. But let's say I did some research. That guys are not so amused talking about her sister having sex with her boyfriends. It's more like tolerating because they can't change it anyways.
And like I said better save than sorry. It doesn't harm to mention that mom and sister will have sex with other men.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

That means I need Jenny to cheat on her boyfriend for future parts/things not gonna name it yet.

That's still not NTR. NTR only applies to the protagonist lol.

I only have a brother and I don't care who he has sex with. But let's say I did some research. That guys are not so amused talking about her sister having sex with her boyfriends. It's more like tolerating because they can't change it anyways.
And like I said better save than sorry. It doesn't harm to mention that mom and sister will have sex with other men.

Again. Not NTR in a more realistic setting. And also my point, you highlight mom NTR not avoidable but not sister NTR, as if they are different.

And just to be clear... I'm in the pro-NTR (mostly swinging) gang. Look at the image in my sig making fun of the retarded anti-NTR gang.

Anyway, it really doesn't matter all that much to me, I'm just playing devil's advocate.

 

[Kuviragames]

That's still not NTR. NTR only applies to the protagonist lol.


Again. Not NTR in a more realistic setting. And also my point, you highlight mom NTR not avoidable but not sister NTR, as if they are different.

And just to be clear... I'm in the pro-NTR (mostly swinging) gang. Look at the image in my sig making fun of the retarded anti-NTR gang.

Anyway, it really doesn't matter all that much to me, I'm just playing devil's advocate.

Haha the Anti-NTR brigade. Luckily most of the time I just get an Angry reaction face instead of full comments. But the picture is nice.

Wait you are the creator of the Renpy port of long story short? Haha I remember the first time I found out there is a renpy port.. I was so happy. Unfortunately in LSS there is no real consequences chosing the NTR path. So having Ann doing all that and MC is fine with it felt kinda off for me so I did not play it for a while. Oh and I saw you also have a translation in German. Seems like I have to take a look again soon.

 

[EnTeeArrr]

No. Still not yet.

And thus my watch continues.

 

[Jah-Ith-Ber]

Fine with sister having a boyfriend having sex good for her but MC really needs to fucking get that douchebag backwards cunt away from her. Dispelling his Sharia law nonsense on his own sister is one thing but he dares to tell MC's sister what to do? Hell no. Find someone deserving (Though sister is clearly no saint and seems like she is already cheating on him based on her disappearing at that sex party when MC went to pick her and her friends up)

Sex scene with Ava was fire. Invokes memories of being young and embarrassed getting caught having sex just made it so naughty and thrilling (and ah fuck mentioning pregnancy dude no fair)

I'm a little worried that the way it's going it's going to be like - MC rehabs Zoe from her trauma gets her happy and confident then sends her off to marry and fuck other people - hell no. If were getting emotionally invested in Zoe then Ava + Zoe need a monogomous throuple ending haha

The MC will seriously have to be a massive tool though to fuck things up with Ava. Like the girl is so chill shes fine with sharing MC with her co-worker, her sister, and potentially Mila. Who is there as a landmine to trip up MC causing Ava to go down the NTR path? Zuni? Lisa? Both easily side stepped so far. Need some real temptations/roadblocks

 

[Kuviragames]

Dispelling his Sharia law nonsense on his own sister is one thing but he dares to tell MC's sister what to do? Hell no.

The drama <3

Sex scene with Ava was fire. Invokes memories of being young and embarrassed getting caught having sex just made it so naughty and thrilling (and ah fuck mentioning pregnancy dude no fair)

Happy that you liked it. I am worried a lot since in my opinion the sex scenes are not so advanced like in other games.
So I often hope that people don't get mad since it's an Adult game.
Oh hand.. hehe to the pregnancy thing.

then sends her off to marry and fuck other people

No. Honestly I could not even do that anymore. Zoe went trough a lot already. She get's the throuple ending in case the player said he is interested in her story. It's not perfect for her but if I decide to really make Lovephobia 2 in the future.. I make her the happiest person every.

Who is there as a landmine to trip up MC causing Ava to go down the NTR path?

We will find out sooner or later.

 

[Jacowboy]

got curious and played the update.... I'm still confused with the "branching" in this game... played both paths and ava behaves the same way and says the exact same things... except on one path they're not dating =/

same for the conversation in the hospital... also: why give an option to start a romance with zuni on the ava gf branch now all of a sudden?

I'm not exactly sure what the dev's going on for with their game... I'm just puzzled by it all. I guess I'll just let this one cook for a while.

 

[Nemesiz691]

Mc mom ntr update?

 

[Power Broker]

Who is there as a landmine to trip up MC causing Ava to go down the NTR path?

I hope nobody. The story is quite good and more realistic than the average porn game, and the characters are likeable; it would be a shame if this game turns into another mess where MC is an idiot or the female love interest an uncaring slut.

I hope the dev can keep up the positive vibe of the story and the personality of the characters, and also the healthy relationship between MC and his love. They are really cute together and it's unfortunately rare in porn games with NTR that a couple has a healthy and positive relationship. It's almost as if people think a dysfunctional relationship is required for NTR.

So, instead of MC doing stupid things and / or Ava turning into a spiteful slut, I hope there will be an antagonist who can attract and dominate Ava, exploit her weaknesses and just be somebody whom she can't say no to (and of course, this guy should not only get Ava, but also the mom, the sister and all the other women around MC ). Some kind of counter part to the cute, white knight that MC is; not a brute bully, but a smart, but selfish, uncaring and immoral boy.
MC shouldn't do anything wrong, he just shouldn't be this antagonist; the women love MC, but they submit (sexually) to the antagonist.

So in short, imho: NTR shouldn't happen because of a stupid, "tripping" MC or a vengeful girlfriend, but because of an interesting, "dangerous" antagonist.

 

[Chaoticjustice]

I am really happy to read that, thank you.

Actually I never thought about "risks" or anything. It might sound a bit harsh but I don't really care if someone wants to have it in another way. Of course I am sad if someone is dissapointed and all but that is something me and this person has to live with.

I do had some people trying to talk to me about things I should change or how I should do things because else I would not have any success.
That might be true but like I mentioned a few pages back I am not doing this for a living and so I don't need to aim getting as much paying supporters as possible which means I can do what I want.. no wait.. I mean give me all your money!

In regards to the risks I mean on the aspect that they can be quite triggering conversations

And the fact you have said you don't care if someone wants it another - praise to the gods I've always had the mindset that as the Dev you should stick to your vision and only implement suggestions if it's actually something you genuinely want rather that forced on you by the community

In regards to a roadmap for the game do you have a release timeline that you roughly want to stick too?

And in regards to story do you want it to be multiple seasons sort of thing or keep keep it simple as a start to finish game

Tho a thought that I've just had and again do with this what you want I think it would be an incredibly interesting concept but with the name it made me think that if you wanted too you could almost go down the route American horror story did - largely the same characters each season but a different story and location each season

Now would something like that work in an avn I don't know , would I play it because it has my interest and I'm curious to see how it's done absolutely

 

[Kuviragames]

I'm still confused with the "branching" in this game... played both paths and ava behaves the same way and says the exact same things... except on one path they're not dating

Fair enough. There are a few differences specially in the earlier scenes. I don't want to seperate the branches to much. I explained the relationship between Ava and MC and while creating the scenes it just feels wrong doing all lovely on one branch and cold on the other. That's not how their relationship has been in the past. On Avas GF brachn.. you won't have the earlier Zuni scenes, some scenes are just extended, than just differences in what they are saying, or Ava just visits MC at the hospital on the GF path. It's not a huge differences all the time but there are differences. And on Zuni's path you are technically not cheating. Even if people in the game might think differently/still going to be sad about it.

same for the conversation in the hospital

Not sure exactly what you mean. If you mean Ava.. well Ava only joins on the GF branch.

why give an option to start a romance with zuni on the ava gf branch now all of a sudden?

Freedom. It also will be possible to tell Ava how much MC loves her and they become a couple. I had an interesting conversation here with someone about leaving out those option at all. And he had some very good points. So I thought about it and decided.. I don't have arguments against it so I let the player decide if he want't to join the other branch later on.
But.. it will be different. The scenes won't be the same if you are on Zunis beginning path or later on.

 

[Kuviragames]

Mc mom ntr update?

No. Not yet. Will still take a good amount of updates before it happens what you are waiting for.

 

[Power Broker]

I do had some people trying to talk to me about things I should change or how I should do things because else I would not have any success.

Fortunately, nobody but you decides when you consider your game to be a success. At the moment, the game is really good, so keep up the good work and don't let your idea of the game be changed by what other people want.

That said, some feedback:

I liked the scene when his mom just entered the bathroom while he was showering. She didn't care at all and he was kind of embarassed. I like this confidence in her and this "Don't make a big deal out of it" attitude while crossing lines. This could even play into future NTR content ("It's no big deal that your nemesis fucks me, he is not shy like you, just the opposite: he makes me embarrassed, which is hot.")

The last scene with the drunken guy and MC playing the white knight was a bit too much cliche. Realistically, there would have been a horde of men who would have wanted to help the damsel in distress. Also, drunken guy could have put up more of a fight; if you challenge somebody who is drunk and doesn't fight for the first time while you are not a martial artist, there is a good chance you lose. And I hoped that MC would have been beaten and drunken guy got his way .

Speaking of sex, the girls seem to have fun with other boys, will MC see this kind of action at some point in the story? And maybe not in the voyeuristic "He wants to see it" kind of way, but in the unavoidable "forced to watch" kind of way?

 

[Kuviragames]

I hope nobody. The story is quite good and more realistic than the average porn game, and the characters are likeable; it would be a shame if this game turns into another mess where MC is an idiot or the female love interest an uncaring slut.

I hope the dev can keep up the positive vibe of the story and the personality of the characters, and also the healthy relationship between MC and his love. They are really cute together and it's unfortunately rare in porn games with NTR that a couple has a healthy and positive relationship. It's almost as if people think a dysfunctional relationship is required for NTR.

So, instead of MC doing stupid things and / or Ava turning into a spiteful slut, I hope there will be an antagonist who can attract and dominate Ava, exploit her weaknesses and just be somebody whom she can't say no to (and of course, this guy should not only get Ava, but also the mom, the sister and all the other women around MC ). Some kind of counter part to the cute, white knight that MC is; not a brute bully, but a smart, but selfish, uncaring and immoral boy.
MC shouldn't do anything wrong, he just shouldn't be this antagonist; the women love MC, but they submit (sexually) to the antagonist.

So in short, imho: NTR shouldn't happen because of a stupid, "tripping" MC or a vengeful girlfriend, but because of an interesting, "dangerous" antagonist.

First of all thank you very much. There will be a few scenarios but none of them is because of an interesting/dangerous antagonist. I would like to tell you something different but to create such a person I would need to put so much more time into that antagonist and for that it's already to late.

I am an NTR fan. And at the beginning the NTR part in my head was much bigger that it is and it will be. Because I just realized that my characters doesn't really fit anymore into a strong NTR branch. I still think that the way it is currently planned will be good. Not perfect, not amazing, not the best you ever saw but like.. yes that makes sense and it's ok.
The main reason is that specially for Ava..

exploit her weaknesses and just be somebody whom she can't say no to

That does not work at all with her and her personality. Without throwing everything overboard and make it an NTR focuse game. And I won't do that. Therefore my next game will be a bit more focused on NTR but not with the Lovephobia characters and again not full NTR. But on my next game I have a much much better starting point to implement that without sacrificing other things.

Just my two cents to that.

 

[Chaoticjustice]

No. Not yet. Will still take a good amount of updates before it happens what you are waiting for.

Also correct me if I'm wrong but if there is no sexual relationship between the mom and sister and the MC doesn't it then step away from the NTR side of things and become more of a humiliation theme eg I fucked your mom or I fucked your sister , unless I have misread and the NTR is to do more with your dad and the sister bf

Also I will admit I've been fucking all round me in this game like a dog in heat , but with Ava she's my ride or die I absolutely love the dynamic between her and the MC , now with that being said I just don't see her cheating on the MC it would just feel unnatural now would she maybe put him and in the dog house and absolutely go through him because of it damm right see would

Also if she was to do something I see it being with a woman rather than a man but I also see it as more of a way to tease the MC rather than hurt him - don't know if this is connected to a certain bed scene in the hospital with a certain someone haha

But back to my point yes I've been fucking around but I've also just had a scene where Ava is like let's be clear this is my dick il tattoo my name on it if I have too , could be that's unavoidable but I would also say that adds to the fact that yes she does care about the MC deeply the only way I could see her getting mad is if you sleep with a certain someone from her household haha so I have no idea what path I'm on then

 

[Kuviragames]

In regards to a roadmap for the game do you have a release timeline that you roughly want to stick too?

I just try to release an update once a month until the game is finished. But it's done when it's done.

And in regards to story do you want it to be multiple seasons sort of thing or keep keep it simple as a start to finish game

I am not a fan of that concept. Neither on AVNs or on TV series. At some point you will lose. You can't drag things forever. And constantly trying to create new interesting things while being limited to the current setup.. that is just work not fun at all.
So Lovephobia will be done between the Day 20 and Day 30. Somewhere there I think.

Tho a thought that I've just had and again do with this what you want I think it would be an incredibly interesting concept but with the name it made me think that if you wanted too you could almost go down the route American horror story did - largely the same characters each season but a different story and location each season

First.. not all characters that I use are fun to work with. And I am not talking about the end result but during posing and shaping.. sometimes pain in the ass.
Also there are so many characters that I want to use but I can't because I don't want to fill the game with 1000 characters.

The idea is still interesting but I don't think I will consider this. Specially not for my next game. There it would be just impossible.

 

[Chaoticjustice]

I just try to release an update once a month until the game is finished. But it's done when it's done.


I am not a fan of that concept. Neither on AVNs or on TV series. At some point you will lose. You can't drag things forever. And constantly trying to create new interesting things while being limited to the current setup.. that is just work not fun at all.
So Lovephobia will be done between the Day 20 and Day 30. Somewhere there I think.


First.. not all characters that I use are fun to work with. And I am not talking about the end result but during posing and shaping.. sometimes pain in the ass.
Also there are so many characters that I want to use but I can't because I don't want to fill the game with 1000 characters.

The idea is still interesting but I don't think I will consider this. Specially not for my next game. There it would be just impossible.

Honestly kurvia I feel like your talking dirty to me here with your answers haha - in the words of Jordan Belfort and in my best impression "I'm not fucking leaving" haha

Honestly I would rather it be it's done when it's done situation rather than you feeling that you have to rush something then it feels forced then it just takes away from the game overall

Also that is a completely fair point and I agree it's a you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain situation when you do that

And somewhere between day 20 and 30 interesting, my only suggestion to that would be round it up to a month as my OCD would go mad and I think with it being a month it feels more complete rather than say three weeks like my time wasn't cut short sort of thing - I probably haven't worded this overly well hope the point carrys tho

Honestly I agree it would be a nightmare to do unless you had a big team to help with it and I mainly mentioned it due to the game name it doesn't haven't any direct ties to a set storyline hence why it could change , but with that said I don't know what way it would work in an avn or if it even would but the idea of it is still incredibly interesting, I guess I've got to the point now where with avns the "market" feels very stale , now I wouldn't say it's at the point where they are directly ripping each off but it feels very rinse and repeat like at the moment , which is one of the reasons I like your game so much like there is a good aspect of real life realism to it I find , one of my favourite scenes and it's not even an exciting scene , so the MC sees Lisa doing something at the party and it then shows her trying to catch up and talk about they matter and the MC is essentially like we will talk about it but it won't be today , like that's how these things happen it was nice to see

 

[Kuviragames]

Fortunately, nobody but you decides when you consider your game to be a success. At the moment, the game is really good, so keep up the good work and don't let your idea of the game be changed by what other people want.

That said, some feedback:

I liked the scene when his mom just entered the bathroom while he was showering. She didn't care at all and he was kind of embarassed. I like this confidence in her and this "Don't make a big deal out of it" attitude while crossing lines. This could even play into future NTR content ("It's no big deal that your nemesis fucks me, he is not shy like you, just the opposite: he makes me embarrassed, which is hot.")

The last scene with the drunken guy and MC playing the white knight was a bit too much cliche. Realistically, there would have been a horde of men who would have wanted to help the damsel in distress. Also, drunken guy could have put up more of a fight; if you challenge somebody who is drunk and doesn't fight for the first time while you are not a martial artist, there is a good chance you lose. And I hoped that MC would have been beaten and drunken guy got his way .

Speaking of sex, the girls seem to have fun with other boys, will MC see this kind of action at some point in the story? And maybe not in the voyeuristic "He wants to see it" kind of way, but in the unavoidable "forced to watch" kind of way?

Thank you <3

I like the way you think. But it is to much NTR for the game.

Was the drunk guy scene to much clique? maybe. The script just said that this night after Mila turned worse than expected and ending with Jenny ending on some other guys places.
So what happened to Rika and Mila were created on the fly. And since they are not main characters I still wanted to give them some time instead of just Hi and bye.

I don't have any idea to put a "forced to watch" scene naturally in the game. So it won't happen like that.
There will be a very lightly but similar situation.. it's hard to explain without any spoilers.. but that is just for one girl and not like your comment described it.

The Moms revealing scenes if she cheated or not will be the only pictures the player will see that MC did not see like it happened.
Everything else is based on what MC can see or witness. And for the not visible scenes.. like I said a few pages before I create those in a small version for my patreon members and post them on my discord as a bonus.

Like this:

Spoiler: Rika and Chris

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[MrBeaver]

- No incest

wait for the story to develop and rewrite the dialogs to fix it

looks promising, goodluck dev

 

[Chaoticjustice]

Thank you <3

I like the way you think. But it is to much NTR for the game.

Was the drunk guy scene to much clique? maybe. The script just said that this night after Mila turned worse than expected and ending with Jenny ending on some other guys places.
So what happened to Rika and Mila were created on the fly. And since they are not main characters I still wanted to give them some time instead of just Hi and bye.

I don't have any idea to put a "forced to watch" scene naturally in the game. So it won't happen like that.
There will be a very lightly but similar situation.. it's hard to explain without any spoilers.. but that is just for one girl and not like your comment described it.

The Moms revealing scenes if she cheated or not will be the only pictures the player will see that MC did not see like it happened.
Everything else is based on what MC can see or witness. And for the not visible scenes.. like I said a few pages before I create those in a small version for my patreon members and post them on my discord as a bonus.

Like this:

Spoiler: Rika and Chris

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I'm more interested in what Jenny has been up too based on those pictures haha