VN Ren'Py Luminary Protocol [v0.42] [Jubs Games]

[Cedo0099]

If i may, i won't do early build reviews generally that's unfair but i have things to say to you dev about your game.

First i enjoyed the disclaimer as myself has tons of imagination and 0 artistic talent, sure there will always be AI haters and i do get some of their points.

Second: Nice world building skill. I play tabletop since.... ever. I like the world and all the mysteries and intricate political web you seems to have created. A bit too much information drop at the beginning you could pace a little more the discoveries of the world and all the info you need to tell. If you overdo like here, people can skip whole section of dialogue because they are bored. I do sometimes as i can read whole paragraph in few sec instead of carefully reading it.

Third: I don't get all this friendliness... People seems pretty "good" as character, i sincerely think it needs more neutrality or hostility in interactions. (But i have paused my game to write this.... so not sure i'm right)

I will follow this project with high expectations on the world building and intrigue. For Ai stuff not so much but hey each their own.

 

[Jubs!]

Third: I don't get all this friendliness... People seems pretty "good" as character, i sincerely think it needs more neutrality or hostility in interactions. (But i have paused my game to write this.... so not sure i'm right)

How far in are you? The game takes a darker turn in chapter 2.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

Second: Nice world building skill. I play tabletop since....

Right there with you... I was a tabletop wargame miniatures player when Chainmail fantasy rules came out... And started playing Dungeons & Dragons in 1977 (before it became Advanced Dungeons & Dragons), when it was a boxed set with the three digest-sized books and a set of cheap plastic dice that had rounded off edges in 6 months.

And like you, I am really enjoying the world building, character development and story.

 

[Cedo0099]

How far in are you? The game takes a darker turn in chapter 2.

Yeah i knew what you talked about. If there is no opposition or difficulties there is no story.

Not finished yet (i don't like to binge a game except when it's completed) but have so many points i want to point out if it is okay with you. I prepared a list and bear with me as i'm french so i hope i will be understandable.

SPOILER ALERT!!!!







- My first point is: i say again, your chapter 1 is too much friendly. Walk with me: the earth mundaners if i may, are servitors near slave for what crime? to be teleported in this world and you tell me there is no prejudice against them? I don't believe everyone should be that cool with the main characters. Sure they are trained sure they can be dangerous but after the training not before!

- On the chapter 2 and the attack. I get the defenses of the city are rubbish but you treat this raid as if the city was not a big political power in this world. That's your take on this and will respect it, but it does not sit well with me. You even made a little comment in your dialogue about how a big city like this neglected defense sounds completely stupid. That's a harsh world ok, there's cold wars everywhere and a big city like this don't think about their defense? come on. I don't get the ruins part of the city, the weakness etc... You could have pointed out to at least a little bit to foreign intervention and not a bandit king.

- Dialogue on the liberation of future slaves there was a comment about: checking the barn she likely gonna be there!!! WTF, how so? there were multiple groups who splitted up, there is a big farm house but they surely are in the barn

- The thugs appearance is dead on! They emit some danger and some ruggedness they are well designed.

- Someone a thug told made me laugh: Sarah your mother is a catch for what??? fertility AHAHAHA a mother of a young adult has no fertility left or she had her children at 13.... Make the math please.

- Sarah use if i'm not wrong a random dress to be able to cast this wonderful and spectacular spell. Nope! How in hell this clothes in infused with magic? The only point that could be taken is that's the callgirl (don't recall the name Nina?) dress . A farm girl's ? lool

- I got grief with the MC.... he undergoes 6 month of severe training. And cry about killing people? on the moment? Sure he can still be shaken to the ground AFTER the experience but not during it. Ask soldiers man....

- Zara told he went not by the chain of command. During a raid, not knowing who is in charge? i think this dialogue should be rewritten as for my point of view he respected the chain of command as looking for his teachers. They are the ones to blame.

- I got smoked with the transition with the VN type and the future you reveal with the desk menu. I got very excited.

- Cartography was nicely described, i like it. Then 2 people to roam the land as dangerous as this one? Sure they can handle themsleves with a few thieves but a whole group? and then what about mages? There should be guards, regular ones plus the elite as the mc. Then for your story and the development of the relationship with the woman, you kill them with anything you want and here you go not much of modifications.

- Goblins aka speluncids are awesome. Look, culture all sounded perfect!

- About the aftermath of the fight in the cavern, i know a lot of dev who will put a sex scene there. You didn't because it doesn't make sense at all! You don't, wounded, flirt and fuck in enemy territory. Nice job!

- I looked upon the Isabella rochin profile and i got 0/0 but i fucked her i didn't get this point at all. Then i saw a romance= true so nvm i guess?


There you are. I stopped just after the mission because i want to enjoy, savor the rest and not that quick cause i know how games dev are: slow and steady win the race!

I hope, my 2 cents were appreciated i'm in constructive mood because your work needs it and deserves it too. I hope no offense were taken!

 

[Cedo0099]

Right there with you... I was a tabletop wargame miniatures player when Chainmail fantasy rules came out... And started playing Dungeons & Dragons in 1977 (before it became Advanced Dungeons & Dragons), when it was a boxed set with the three digest-sized books and a set of cheap plastic dice that had rounded off edges in 6 months.

And like you, I am really enjoying the world building, character development and story.

Yo man Tabletop went what it is today because of you and people like you! LOVE to the true ones ! I'm a bit younger so 1977 i was in the ball of my dad

 

[Idontplay]

1 - My first point is: i say again, your chapter 1 is too much friendly. Walk with me: the earth mundaners if i may, are servitors near slave for what crime? to be teleported in this world and you tell me there is no prejudice against them? I don't believe everyone should be that cool with the main characters. Sure they are trained sure they can be dangerous but after the training not before!

2 - On the chapter 2 and the attack. I get the defenses of the city are rubbish but you treat this raid as if the city was not a big political power in this world. That's your take on this and will respect it, but it does not sit well with me. You even made a little comment in your dialogue about how a big city like this neglected defense sounds completely stupid. That's a harsh world ok, there's cold wars everywhere and a big city like this don't think about their defense? come on. I don't get the ruins part of the city, the weakness etc... You could have pointed out to at least a little bit to foreign intervention and not a bandit king.

1 You are completely right except for a little details: the mundane aren't servitors or near-slave. They are immigrants, who have to pay for their grocery, their clothes and for the training get in the accademy. The only difference is: grocery and clothes must be payed immediately, the training must be paied after the graduation, doing some jobs for the guilds. It is like be a college student and have to pay for your student loan: you will pay after your graduation, non before.
2 Also the Roman Empire was a superpower, but at a certain point of its history it started to neglect its defence; with the outcome everybody know. The same thing has happened nowdays: the world is full of countries, which have neglected their defence (the European ones for example), the maintenance of their infrastuctures (the Russian Federation) or other expenses…

When I will read the rest of your post, I will comment it.

 

[Cedo0099]

Oh but they are? can they refuse? i didn't get the memo as they can refuse this academy. Or may be i skipped a little too much readings

For the remark on roman empire sure you get a point not about European union tho. For the most part we weren't in a cold war or anything. And FIY the European union is made foremost to avoid all future wars in europe.... so i don't get the point of arming yourself. Except when big brother, the world police abandoned its position because... they didn't feel like it nowadays?
To return to the subject, not sure the city of lumis is in this setting or not. Still a world as brutal and unforgiveness as magics users are common and lot of powerfull city states are in cold wars don't get it at all.

But hey i don't have the truth on all i say, just my take and i embrace any point of view different of mine

 

[Jubs!]

Yeah i knew what you talked about. If there is no opposition or difficulties there is no story.

Not finished yet (i don't like to binge a game except when it's completed) but have so many points i want to point out if it is okay with you. I prepared a list and bear with me as i'm french so i hope i will be understandable.

SPOILER ALERT!!!!







- My first point is: i say again, your chapter 1 is too much friendly. Walk with me: the earth mundaners if i may, are servitors near slave for what crime? to be teleported in this world and you tell me there is no prejudice against them? I don't believe everyone should be that cool with the main characters. Sure they are trained sure they can be dangerous but after the training not before!

- On the chapter 2 and the attack. I get the defenses of the city are rubbish but you treat this raid as if the city was not a big political power in this world. That's your take on this and will respect it, but it does not sit well with me. You even made a little comment in your dialogue about how a big city like this neglected defense sounds completely stupid. That's a harsh world ok, there's cold wars everywhere and a big city like this don't think about their defense? come on. I don't get the ruins part of the city, the weakness etc... You could have pointed out to at least a little bit to foreign intervention and not a bandit king.

- Dialogue on the liberation of future slaves there was a comment about: checking the barn she likely gonna be there!!! WTF, how so? there were multiple groups who splitted up, there is a big farm house but they surely are in the barn

- The thugs appearance is dead on! They emit some danger and some ruggedness they are well designed.

- Someone a thug told made me laugh: Sarah your mother is a catch for what??? fertility AHAHAHA a mother of a young adult has no fertility left or she had her children at 13.... Make the math please.

- Sarah use if i'm not wrong a random dress to be able to cast this wonderful and spectacular spell. Nope! How in hell this clothes in infused with magic? The only point that could be taken is that's the callgirl (don't recall the name Nina?) dress . A farm girl's ? lool

- I got grief with the MC.... he undergoes 6 month of severe training. And cry about killing people? on the moment? Sure he can still be shaken to the ground AFTER the experience but not during it. Ask soldiers man....

- Zara told he went not by the chain of command. During a raid, not knowing who is in charge? i think this dialogue should be rewritten as for my point of view he respected the chain of command as looking for his teachers. They are the ones to blame.

- I got smoked with the transition with the VN type and the future you reveal with the desk menu. I got very excited.

- Cartography was nicely described, i like it. Then 2 people to roam the land as dangerous as this one? Sure they can handle themsleves with a few thieves but a whole group? and then what about mages? There should be guards, regular ones plus the elite as the mc. Then for your story and the development of the relationship with the woman, you kill them with anything you want and here you go not much of modifications.

- Goblins aka speluncids are awesome. Look, culture all sounded perfect!

- About the aftermath of the fight in the cavern, i know a lot of dev who will put a sex scene there. You didn't because it doesn't make sense at all! You don't, wounded, flirt and fuck in enemy territory. Nice job!

- I looked upon the Isabella rochin profile and i got 0/0 but i fucked her i didn't get this point at all. Then i saw a romance= true so nvm i guess?


There you are. I stopped just after the mission because i want to enjoy, savor the rest and not that quick cause i know how games dev are: slow and steady win the race!

I hope, my 2 cents were appreciated i'm in constructive mood because your work needs it and deserves it too. I hope no offense were taken!

I like it when people have questions, suggestions or criticisms, it shows interest and active engagement, which is nice to see.

A lot of your comments/questions here will be revealed in good time.

The state of the city - it's in trouble. It suffered a major catastrophe that devastated parts of it, including defensive walls and structures. They still haven't repaired it all. They probably should have, but resources were prioritised elsewhere. The political and diplomatic situation with their neighbours is becoming increasingly unstable and in some cases outright hostile.

Luminaria is the smallest of the 3 Triumvirate cities. Arrivals to Luminaria are different than arrivals elsewhere on the planet. They arrive with property, with order, a place for them - The Weaver's direct involvement. Their patron deity brought these people, the citizens aren't then going to treat them like dirt. Elsewhere, they arrive differently and are treated differently. Remember also that cities and countries have patron deities that are actively involved maintaining power and influence within their territories. Luminaria is seen as weak because The Weaver doesn't seem to get involved in the same way as other gods do. Luminaria is the most technologically advanced city on the planet and it owes that to the arrivals that The Weaver brings. It's technology acts a force multiplier but also paints a target on them as other powers covet what they have. There will be some more info about this in the next 0.45 update as this involves putting in all the mission debrief conversations with Zara.

Luminaria is comparatively safe, but things have been going wrong and there are destabilising influences all around them, making the countryside less and less safe a place to be. 2 people travelling on their own move faster and quieter, attract less attention and can react faster to changing situations. It also shouldn't be as dangerous as it is. In the second mission there is a comment about how unlucky they have been.

I just dont agree about the MC being able to kill without it affecting him. Most people these days couldn't kill a chicken to eat it without feeling bad or sick about it, I certainly would feel that way. Soldiers undergo a minimum of 6 months training, usually more before they are deployed and they are people that volunteered for it. If there are active warzones they can reasonably expect to be involved in them and more effort will have been spent preparing them for it. They also tend to kill at a distance, by pulling a trigger, not right next to them by cutting their throats. He also witnessed other horrific sights, it isn't just the fact he killed someone, it's the whole experience of that rescue mission. I don't think a well educated western teenager dropped into that situation would shrug that off without some kind of mental trauma. He does get better at dealing with it, as time goes on, as you would expect as someone is exposed to more of it. Lilly also helps him with it.

The bit with Zara isn't criticism of him, or any comment on the leadership of the rescue. It's her feeling out his nature; her first time interacting with him as his mistress/commander/manager (however you want to phrase it). She wants to see how he will react to probing questions and to matters of authority. There are other reasons why she wants to push him, but they will become clearer later on.

The points scores for each character relate to how you have built on the relationship you start with. As you start already in a very positive place with her, there aren't any points to gain at this stage. There will be points with her, but that will be about how you grow your friendship and professional relationship with her over time.

The clothes were loot stolen by the slavers. They were all enchanted to some extent and therefore had value. The dress was a pure "tap", a magical battery. What she did with it though, wasn't supposed to be possible.

Hope you enjoy the rest of it

 

[DarthSpitz717]

I like it when people have questions, suggestions or criticisms, it shows interest and active engagement, which is nice to see.

A lot of your comments/questions here will be revealed in good time.

The state of the city - it's in trouble. It suffered a major catastrophe that devastated parts of it, including defensive walls and structures. They still haven't repaired it all. They probably should have, but resources were prioritised elsewhere. The political and diplomatic situation with their neighbours is becoming increasingly unstable and in some cases outright hostile.

Luminaria is the smallest of the 3 Triumvirate cities. Arrivals to Luminaria are different than arrivals elsewhere on the planet. They arrive with property, with order, a place for them - The Weaver's direct involvement. Their patron deity brought these people, the citizens aren't then going to treat them like dirt. Elsewhere, they arrive differently and are treated differently. Remember also that cities and countries have patron deities that are actively involved maintaining power and influence within their territories. Luminaria is seen as weak because The Weaver doesn't seem to get involved in the same way as other gods do. Luminaria is the most technologically advanced city on the planet and it owes that to the arrivals that The Weaver brings. It's technology acts a force multiplier but also paints a target on them as other powers covet what they have. There will be some more info about this in the next 0.45 update as this involves putting in all the mission debrief conversations with Zara.

Luminaria is comparatively safe, but things have been going wrong and there are destabilising influences all around them, making the countryside less and less safe a place to be. 2 people travelling on their own move faster and quieter, attract less attention and can react faster to changing situations. It also shouldn't be as dangerous as it is. In the second mission there is a comment about how unlucky they have been.

I just dont agree about the MC being able to kill without it affecting him. Most people these days couldn't kill a chicken to eat it without feeling bad or sick about it, I certainly would feel that way. Soldiers undergo a minimum of 6 months training, usually more before they are deployed and they are people that volunteered for it. If there are active warzones they can reasonably expect to be involved in them and more effort will have been spent preparing them for it. They also tend to kill at a distance, by pulling a trigger, not right next to them by cutting their throats. He also witnessed other horrific sights, it isn't just the fact he killed someone, it's the whole experience of that rescue mission. I don't think a well educated western teenager dropped into that situation would shrug that off without some kind of mental trauma. He does get better at dealing with it, as time goes on, as you would expect as someone is exposed to more of it. Lilly also helps him with it.

The bit with Zara isn't criticism of him, or any comment on the leadership of the rescue. It's her feeling out his nature; her first time interacting with him as his mistress/commander/manager (however you want to phrase it). She wants to see how he will react to probing questions and to matters of authority. There are other reasons why she wants to push him, but they will become clearer later on.

The points scores for each character relate to how you have built on the relationship you start with. As you start already in a very positive place with her, there aren't any points to gain at this stage. There will be points with her, but that will be about how you grow your friendship and professional relationship with her over time.

The clothes were loot stolen by the slavers. They were all enchanted to some extent and therefore had value. The dress was a pure "tap", a magical battery. What she did with it though, wasn't supposed to be possible.

Hope you enjoy the rest of it

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You are doing good, and you got the skills plus you have a vision you are sharing with us, but I caution you to be careful the criticisms. If your MC is a cold-blooded killer, he is but if he's not that is just the way it is. Your explanation about soldiers and training, killing etc. doesn't pass the test of time. Republic and early Imperial Romans, in their heyday had two throwing weapons and one nasty stabbing weapon. Napoleonic armies mostly used firepower but had a bayonet. But in your world build this is the way things are done and its story canon.

You are not using magic as a fix-all for all plot problems, and the only problem your story has is some human-to-human dynamics and it's really not a problem just a need for some improvement so it's not as clear with Zara. And with what your tags that describe your game as having, it will be really tricky to nail them all down. I actually applaud your ambitious efforts

 

[Idontplay]

Oh but they are? can they refuse? i didn't get the memo as they can refuse this academy. Or may be i skipped a little too much readings

Actually the mc said something about take a job to help the family, but the stepmother replied that the best thing to do was to graduate quickly and with high grades, since this would have improved the family's situation more than take a normal job. So, no they didn't have choice since go to the Academy was by far the best thing to do and they can go to the Academy because the Weaver doesn't take random people to Luminaria. He takes only the people with some talent and the Academy is the best place to find what that talent is, train and make it useful for the (ex)student and the city.

 

[BigAlzBub]

Yeah i knew what you talked about. If there is no opposition or difficulties there is no story.

Not finished yet (i don't like to binge a game except when it's completed) but have so many points i want to point out if it is okay with you. I prepared a list and bear with me as i'm french so i hope i will be understandable.

SPOILER ALERT!!!!







- My first point is: i say again, your chapter 1 is too much friendly. Walk with me: the earth mundaners if i may, are servitors near slave for what crime? to be teleported in this world and you tell me there is no prejudice against them? I don't believe everyone should be that cool with the main characters. Sure they are trained sure they can be dangerous but after the training not before!

- On the chapter 2 and the attack. I get the defenses of the city are rubbish but you treat this raid as if the city was not a big political power in this world. That's your take on this and will respect it, but it does not sit well with me. You even made a little comment in your dialogue about how a big city like this neglected defense sounds completely stupid. That's a harsh world ok, there's cold wars everywhere and a big city like this don't think about their defense? come on. I don't get the ruins part of the city, the weakness etc... You could have pointed out to at least a little bit to foreign intervention and not a bandit king.

- Dialogue on the liberation of future slaves there was a comment about: checking the barn she likely gonna be there!!! WTF, how so? there were multiple groups who splitted up, there is a big farm house but they surely are in the barn

- The thugs appearance is dead on! They emit some danger and some ruggedness they are well designed.

- Someone a thug told made me laugh: Sarah your mother is a catch for what??? fertility AHAHAHA a mother of a young adult has no fertility left or she had her children at 13.... Make the math please.

- Sarah use if i'm not wrong a random dress to be able to cast this wonderful and spectacular spell. Nope! How in hell this clothes in infused with magic? The only point that could be taken is that's the callgirl (don't recall the name Nina?) dress . A farm girl's ? lool

- I got grief with the MC.... he undergoes 6 month of severe training. And cry about killing people? on the moment? Sure he can still be shaken to the ground AFTER the experience but not during it. Ask soldiers man....

- Zara told he went not by the chain of command. During a raid, not knowing who is in charge? i think this dialogue should be rewritten as for my point of view he respected the chain of command as looking for his teachers. They are the ones to blame.

- I got smoked with the transition with the VN type and the future you reveal with the desk menu. I got very excited.

- Cartography was nicely described, i like it. Then 2 people to roam the land as dangerous as this one? Sure they can handle themsleves with a few thieves but a whole group? and then what about mages? There should be guards, regular ones plus the elite as the mc. Then for your story and the development of the relationship with the woman, you kill them with anything you want and here you go not much of modifications.

- Goblins aka speluncids are awesome. Look, culture all sounded perfect!

- About the aftermath of the fight in the cavern, i know a lot of dev who will put a sex scene there. You didn't because it doesn't make sense at all! You don't, wounded, flirt and fuck in enemy territory. Nice job!

- I looked upon the Isabella rochin profile and i got 0/0 but i fucked her i didn't get this point at all. Then i saw a romance= true so nvm i guess?


There you are. I stopped just after the mission because i want to enjoy, savor the rest and not that quick cause i know how games dev are: slow and steady win the race!

I hope, my 2 cents were appreciated i'm in constructive mood because your work needs it and deserves it too. I hope no offense were taken!

1) People being friendly to the newcommers...meh, everyone is in the same boat, and vast generational wealth and privilage hasn't had a chance to build up, also depending on the governance this might never be a thing, equality could end up being baked into the society, particularly if some moral people were the first rulers and made the laws accordingly, folks will just tend to go along with it. Also you need to be really careful when treating with new arrivals, as they could manifest desvasting powers if placed in a highly stressful situtation.

2) It is virtually impossible to have the sort of defence which can (at all times) throw back any enemy force, you need a wartime economy and practically martial law to ever have a hope of it, and civilian populaces tend to get pissed if there is no obvious threat but their freedoms are heavily limited, and their sons and daughter pressed into military service.

3&4) I have nothing to add.

5) Typically the big drop off in fertility is at age 35, at 39 Sahrah is beyond that, but that just means she is on the downward slope of fertility, which could be a benefit if someone is a drop dead beautiful MILF but not going to be popping sprogs every time you do the horizonal tango. Menopause typically happens 45-55, so Sarah could still have a good few kids in her, particularly when you consider that fertility magic is a thing.

6) I think the point you are trying to make is that farm girls' clothing disintegrated? Remember that clothing is used to store magical energy so that you don't deplete your own bodily resources, if there were a tiny bit of magic stored in her clothing, it would disintegrate like any other tap, and then pull the rest of the power need from the spell from her, shreding her clothing. Given that the world is highly magical it is possible that even mundane clothing will act as a (limited) tap, and unless you are a skilled magic user and avoid pulling on the stores of magic to preserve your decency.

7) Killing is always traumatic, there is a HUGE difference between sparing and suddenly feeling the hot wet blood of an enemy wash over you, to feel the life leave their body, to smell them lose control of their bowels. Modern soldiers are somewhat immune to this because (for the most part) they are doing it from long range. Additionally after Vietnam, America found that a good portion of their soldiers had been firing high because the bulk of normal people specifically didn't like the idea of killing, so they implemented a program to desensitized them and get them used to it. The main character is still a student when the event happens, so either the academy doesn't have this sort of training, or he hasn't done it yet.

8 & 9) N/A

10) I can certainly get behind this point, you would want camp helpers to make and break camp, forage for food, guard you while you sleep, etc. However, from a narrative point of view, you don't want these people hanging around because it removes the intimancy from the scenes. So you kind of just have to accept that while it doesn't make ANY sense it is the way it is going to be this way, like scantily clad female fighters in high heeled boots and chainmail bikinis who don't have a single scar on them, utterly ridiculous, but a solid fantasy trope none the less.

11) N/A

12) Normally having sex in enemy territory is a massively stupid idea, but it is well established that the MCs power makes people horny as hell, with coming off the adrenaline high from battle, people are often prone to doing stupid things, combine the two and it makes for a decent excuse to get Emilia to start down a path she otherwise almost certainly would not. In short, game logic...makes no sense, but is good for the story, try not to think about it too much.

13) Sex and romance are two very different things. Although I think you are probably right it should have a relationship point, it isn't exactly a casual fling, unless you don't go down the love path and have a quick bit of pleasure.

14) You are in for a treat then, the early stuff is decent, but Jubs has come on leaps and bounds since then.

 

[Jubs!]

Oh Yea, in that scene with the farmgirl, Nia and Sarah weren't the most fertile in general, they were the most fertile that night; they were ovulating, that was the difference. The men mention that they know this because they have a metaphysical device that tells them when a female is receptive. A lot of the women taken were prostitutes, under the effects of metaphysical form of birth control. The leader of that gang has a fetish for impregnating his victims and so those three, as the receptive ones, were kept back for him so he could indulge his fetish.

 

[Cedo0099]

Solid answers overall. Don't sweat on my critics as i'm just one isolated opinion. You have answers to most of all my question, there should be some hints about some of the thing you answered. Not direct answer as i'm for people to try to understand the level they want in a game. They just want sex here you go, you want to understand every thing? i slip some hints and let people do the math even hypothesis that can be very good for the community.

The point about traumatic experience, i didn't say they don't react or be traumatized i said: AFTER the action should be normal, during not so much. You still can play the card this is a young man for a world in peace so not prepared at all to violence if that's your take! Still i know for sure people are going to dislike this side of him.

Lastly, that's commendable to see people roasting positively my critics as they show engagement for your game

 

[BigAlzBub]

Solid answers overall. Don't sweat on my critics as i'm just one isolated opinion. You have answers to most of all my question, there should be some hints about some of the thing you answered. Not direct answer as i'm for people to try to understand the level they want in a game. They just want sex here you go, you want to understand every thing? i slip some hints and let people do the math even hypothesis that can be very good for the community.

The point about traumatic experience, i didn't say they don't react or be traumatized i said: AFTER the action should be normal, during not so much. You still can play the card this is a young man for a world in peace so not prepared at all to violence if that's your take! Still i know for sure people are going to dislike this side of him.

Lastly, that's commendable to see people roasting positively my critics as they show engagement for your game

I appologise if you thought I roasted you. That wasn't really my intent, I just wanted to make some points which you might not have considered.
Exposition is very hard to balance in these sorts of games, you want to give the players enough information so that they will accept the situation, but not so much that people get bored reading all the minutia of why everybody did what they did.

 

[Cedo0099]

I appologise if you thought I roasted you. That wasn't really my intent, I just wanted to make some points which you might not have considered.
Exposition is very hard to balance in these sorts of games, you want to give the players enough information so that they will accept the situation, but not so much that people get bored reading all the minutia of why everybody did what they did.

Don't man, i said positively ^^ Just a vocabulary limit thing. And if done right roasting can be fun.

About exposition you are 100% i said before they were a little too much info dump in too short notice and then i want to add some details

 

[DarthSpitz717]

"BigAlzBub, post: 18957601, member: 2624842"]

1) People being friendly to the newcomers...meh, everyone is in the same boat, and vast generational wealth and privilege hasn't had a chance to build up, also depending on the governance this might never be a thing, equality could end up being baked into the society, particularly if some moral people were the first rulers and made the laws accordingly, folks will just tend to go along with it. Also, you need to be really careful when treating with new arrivals, as they could manifest devasting powers if placed in a highly stressful situation. That assumes several things. First how open is society. Now if exposure to newcomers and strangers is common like if there is a lot of trade conducted-- it's almost a requirement to be friendly. But what are the security concerns of new arrivals... are there agents that monitor possible threats and spies. I haven't seen a wide gulf between the classes

2) It is virtually impossible to have the sort of defense which can (at all times) throw back any enemy force, you need a wartime economy and practically martial law to ever have a hope of it, and civilian populaces tend to get pissed if there is no obvious threat but their freedoms are heavily limited, and their sons and daughter pressed into military service. Your talking mobilizations and armies. Does the story need cannon fodder troops? Only if it fits the world build. Historically militia type troops don't fare well against trained professionals. One thing I don't understand or see are seasoned military leadership and chains of command. Regardless of the story's type of army it has, someone has to lead and make strategy

3&4) I have nothing to add.

5) Typically the big drop off in fertility is at age 35, at 39 Sahrah is beyond that, but that just means she is on the downward slope of fertility, which could be a benefit if someone is a drop dead beautiful MILF but not going to be popping sprogs every time you do the horizonal tango. Menopause typically happens 45-55, so Sarah could still have a good few kids in her, particularly when you consider that fertility magic is a thing. That would explain the woman's side of fertility but does magic make one male with greater power more potent than one who isn't?

6) I think the point you are trying to make is that farm girls' clothing disintegrated? Remember that clothing is used to store magical energy so that you don't deplete your own bodily resources, if there were a tiny bit of magic stored in her clothing, it would disintegrate like any other tap and then pull the rest of the power need from the spell from her, shredding her clothing. Given that the world is highly magical it is possible that even mundane clothing will act as a (limited) tap, and unless you are a skilled magic user and avoid pulling on the stores of magic to preserve your decency. Not to go all Harry Potter, but that would apply to things like rings and other jewelry as well as commonly worn objects. Considering the technology level of the story, it's possible your average peasant would have always on him a useful knife. Aristocrats likely would be passing down heirlooms over the generations... like something with a family crest or some badge of social rank.

7) Killing is always traumatic, there is a HUGE difference between sparing and suddenly feeling the hot wet blood of an enemy wash over you, to feel the life leave their body, to smell them lose control of their bowels. Modern soldiers are somewhat immune to this because (for the most part) they are doing it from long range. Additionally, after Vietnam, America found that a good portion of their soldiers had been firing high because the bulk of normal people specifically didn't like the idea of killing, so they implemented a program to desensitized them and get them used to it. The main character is still a student when the event happens, so either the academy doesn't have this sort of training, or he hasn't done it yet. Desensitizing isn't really how the US army trains its troops like as if they have troops watch blood and gore till, they get used to it. It's not to see the target as a person but the target as just being a target and positive rewards and affirmation are the training that is used. Now in the past say 15th century and such, nobles hunted a lot, but this world build isn't based on that much of a feudal caste system. Am not sure how the MC and the rest of society treated war and conflict, guess that is still somewhat in development

8 & 9) N/A

10) I can certainly get behind this point, you would want camp helpers to make and break camp, forage for food, guard you while you sleep, etc. However, from a narrative point of view, you don't want these people hanging around because it removes the intimacy from the scenes. So, your kind of just have to accept that while it doesn't make ANY sense it is the way it is going to be this way, like scantily clad female fighters in high heeled boots and chainmail bikinis who don't have a single scar on them, utterly ridiculous, but a solid fantasy trope none the less. Camp followers and specialist is/was the norm of armies all the way beyond the Franco-Prussian War (1870). But you do need a logistical element to any army if only to bring in supplies never mind weapon and armor repair-- and a lot of the camp followers were the entertainment with music, drink and other services.

11) N/A

12) Normally having sex in enemy territory is a massively stupid idea, but it is well established that the MCs power makes people horny as hell, with coming off the adrenaline high from battle, people are often prone to doing stupid things, combine the two and it makes for a decent excuse to get Emilia to start down a path she otherwise almost certainly would not. In short, game logic...makes no sense, but is good for the story, try not to think about it too much. I'll throw this one as, but you realize up until modern times in modern armies, rape and pillage was a thing. Your camp followers I mentioned earlier were often the worst offenders if the army was victorious and also the first victims if the army lost. Thankfully this story isn't taking a page out of the English/French Hundred Years War, because 90% of the war was raiding, burning and terrorizing the local populations

13) Sex and romance are two very different things. Although I think you are probably right it should have a relationship point, it isn't exactly a casual fling, unless you don't go down the love path and have a quick bit of pleasure. That is who is involved with who. Old Victorian England was really raunchy that all levels got involved in from low born to Dukes and Kings. But those with means often took mistresses and created second families of bastards and the like

14) You are in for a treat then, the early stuff is decent, but Jubs has come on leaps and bounds since then.

 

[Cedo0099]

Just one point if needed: The militia against armies sure but against bandit? they are generally formed for this. Army are for battles and wars.

 

[MiltonPowers]

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Over the last week I have been working on 0.45's content. This is mostly getting the 3 debrief scenes in with Zara. If time is on my side I'll also look to add in a visit to Isabella to add in a more adult orientated debrief as well.

Speaking of Isabella, in preparation for adding in more content with her I spent some time working on her look. She looked too similar to a famous person and I didn't intend for that to happen. The famous person in question has a very striking look and seems to appear very strongly in training data, so when creating similar looking people her look can come through quite strongly. I've now got a prompt that is working consistently and creates someone who has a similar look, but clearly isn't anyone specific. Examples of her new look are included here. These are unprocessed images, so messy hands and other weirdness may well be present.

I've included a few screenshots of the content for 0.45 as well as a few Christmas bonus shots I made as cover images for the xmas patreon bonus updates; as an excuse to mess around with some different image creation tools. I've been playing around more and more with omni reference image generation. This is where you can give the generator one or more images and ask them to use those images to create something new, based on the prompt you give it. Nano Banana 3 Pro can do this, and I used it a little in the Academy mission. I found NB3 quite inconsistent though. You also have to constantly wrestle with a ludicrously aggressive nsfw filter - gave it an image of Zara dressed as she is in the screens here and asked it to show her looking irritated; it refused because the irritated expression might make make her lean forward and she is wearing a low cut top. Asked it to make her look thoughtful and that was OK because it made her lean back. Then half the time it decides the image looks too much like a "public figure" and refuses to do anything with it. So... it's painful to use. Some versions of Flux have this feature, and it's OK, but not great image quality. Kling O1 is a new generator based on the animation tool, and.. again it's ok. I used it for some of the stuff on the train in the last update. But the image quality is not great (it often looks like a still from an animation, rather than a crisp freshly generated image). Which is a shame because it's actually pretty good at doing what you ask it.

Hands down the best though is SeeDream 4.5. It just seems to work. I used it for the xmas images and some of the new Zara stuff. It's not perfect, I asked it to make Gabriella "slightly shorter" or " a couple of inches shorter" and she ended up looking like a dwarf compared to a giant Emelia. But it adds new possibilities as now I can have characters in SFW situations properly interacting with each other and the environment. I can also work with more elaborate outfits because I can pick one good image of a more complex outfit, then feed it to SeeDream. The only problem is I have to pay for SeeDream generations out of the same budget for creating the higher quality SFW animations and fixing hands, changing expressions etc. It's not horrendously expensive, but it all adds up. I get 24000 credits to use a month, a Kling01 5 second clip costs me 150 credits, a single SeeDream image costs 15. Changing a characters expression is typically about 5 credits, fixing hands is 10-50. 24,000 sounds a lot but i do usually run out by the end of the month.

What Nano Banana 3 is useful for is creating new backgrounds that are based on existing ones. I've included an example in the screenshots - Zara's office as you have seen it so far, then the other side of Zara's office. I also used Flux 2 to create a POV shot of sitting in the chair in front of her desk. Both were based on the first image. You'll also notice in the screenshots that the chair has moved. I was tired of having to script in the MC having to move the chair every time Zara told him to sit down, so decided to get it moved. I cant remember if it was NB3 or Flux 2 that I did that with, but both are very capable of doing it.

Lastly, I've been trying out a new animation tool called LTX-2. I believe it's another open source one. It's interesting, some of Zara's animations in the next update were done with it. It's very good at animating women in a risqué way. It won't do NSFW, or certainly the way I access it wont do it. But the way it animates SFW has quite pleasing realistic physics. It's quite happy to have clothing material movements reveal what's underneath right up to the point of nearly being NSFW. I've included a few examples of LTX2 animations plus one Kling01 version to show the difference. These LTX2 animations didn't end up being used as Zara's emotions here were way too much or they just weren't right. You can download from this link:

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In terms of actual progress, the first mission debrief is in and completed with sprites and animations all in. The second one is written and I should have completed by the end of the week. I expect to get the third one done next week and then hopefully I can work on something with Isabella in the week before EA release.

All that's left is for me to wish you a Merry Christmas!

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[pilapila3]

Interesting... Very interesting indeed. Great story.

 

[beingadiksimone]

Where is the full game with video ? !!!!!!!!!1