VN Ren'Py Luna Reloaded [v0.29] [Frozen Synapse]

[Stan5851]

I'd go with the son and refuse Beachwood also getting engaded with some gives brothel and the ravenites.On the other hand according to spy girl the sissy son is also uite skilled emissary which can be useful with king against his father Beachwood on later updates.

Well, it's really stupid to get involved with brothel, you're right about that. (At least if you're playing canon Dark Queen route). However, we do not necessarily have to work there ourselves; we only need to ensure that its future operation will generate income for our treasury. So I gave Madame permission to engage in this activity.

As for the ravenites, I have chosen to cooperate with them for now. After all, this has great potential. First, with their help, we will spread the Raven religion throughout the Borderlands (the ban on other religions, if I remember correctly, was one of the conditions of the Ravenite Paladin), which will directly affect our supernatural Divine abilities.

In addition, right now they have offered to sacrifice bandits and murderers in order to receive divine blessing (or the curse of our enemies) in the coming battle with the raiders. And considering that we already have a huge shortage of troops, such help will be very useful to us.

As for this,

On the other hand according to spy girl the sissy son is also uite skilled emissary which can be useful with king against his father Beachwood on later updates.

I don't remember this dialogue off the top of my head, but if what you wrote was said, then I don't really understand why we should interfere in the future confrontation between the King and Beechwood.

After all, the King is our worst enemy, and Beachwood is not a friend at all. Therefore, imo, it would be more profitable to weaken them both, because in the end, we will still have to conquer the entire kingdom, and the victory of either side (the King or Beechwood) is unlikely to benefit us.

 

[sunaboz]

Stan5851
Quoting your own interpretation as an argument is just too funny. Here's what's actually in the game:

Spoiler: Raven's origins

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It's also literally stated that Luna is an AVATAR of a goddess (the exact quote is: She became the avatar of a cruel Goddess, unfamous for her volatile personality and her penchant for violence) which consists of three "spirits" (that term is used in the game). When she would die or become a mindless slave Raven would have to wait for another reincarnation.

Either way Luna is not Raven. She might be her avatar (so human representation, a vessel) in certain scenarios, but they are not the same.

 

[Udayana]

Stan5851
It's also literally stated that Luna is an AVATAR of a goddess (the exact quote is: She became the avatar of a cruel Goddess, unfamous for her volatile personality and her penchant for violence) which consists of three "spirits" (that term is used in the game). When she would die or become a mindless slave Raven would have to wait for another reincarnation.

Either way Luna is not Raven. She might be her avatar (so human representation, a vessel) in certain scenarios, but they are not the same.

Avatāra means "descent" in Sanskrit. You emphasise the word but you end with a contradiction. In Hinduism, to which the term belongs, a god and his "descent" (on Earth or in another world), his avatar, are one and the same. So maybe the author chose the wrong word, or he knew what he did, in which case what you say is false.

 

[Stan5851]

Stan5851
Quoting your own interpretation as an argument is just too funny. Here's what's actually in the game:

Spoiler: Raven's origins

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It's also literally stated that Luna is an AVATAR of a goddess (the exact quote is: She became the avatar of a cruel Goddess, unfamous for her volatile personality and her penchant for violence) which consists of three "spirits" (that term is used in the game). When she would die or become a mindless slave Raven would have to wait for another reincarnation.

Either way Luna is not Raven. She might be her avatar (so human representation, a vessel) in certain scenarios, but they are not the same.

A Divine avatar is the embodiment of a deity in material human form, in order to act in the mortal world. Therefore, there is no contradiction here with what I wrote about the Luna as the physical, material embodiment of the Goddess Raven.

But Luna is not a puppet remotely controlled by Raven from her otherworldly plane of existence. Now (after BadAssBitch ending) they are literally one and the same, which is why I am categorically opposed to the term “vessel,” which, incidentally, is never used anywhere in the game.

 

[Stan5851]

BTW, in the game, Raven is literally described as our “second self”... Which, imo, directly indicates that she is an integral part of Luna's personality. It's just that Luna hasn't yet fully realized who she really is.

In general, we have a rather unique situation here. Yes, Raven is our second self, but she is by no means someone who can take control of Luna's body, like Johnny Silverhand did with V in CP2077... but someone who can and is another facet, another side of Luna's personality. And that's actually amazing.

And I think it's one of the best moments in the game when we see their (Luna-Raven) internal dialogues, discussions, arguments, jokes, and much more...

In other words, they coexist in a unique symbiosis, understanding that they are inextricably linked by a common personality, consciousness, and even body, but at the same time having a certain autonomy, where no one forces anyone to do anything, but rather complements and helps to achieve common goals.

I don't even know what to call it... Perhaps something like this is only possible between a deity and a human being.

If it were any other way, Luna would have ended up in a mental hospital long ago with a diagnosis of split consciousness and schizophrenia, hehe.

 

[wildride69]

I'm going back to Luna's Fall from Grace because it has been so long since I played it. I forgot that JOKER - made a Joker Mod for that game that is a tremendous help for viewing the different paths and making changes. Does anyone know if he is still active making new mods and if he plans on making a mod for Luna Reloaded?

 

[sunaboz]

But Luna is not a puppet remotely controlled by Raven from her otherworldly plane of existence. Now (after BadAssBitch ending) they are literally one and the same, which is why I am categorically opposed to the term “vessel,” which, incidentally, is never used anywhere in the game.

This may seem counterintuitive, but she can’t take over unless you allow her to...or if you’re too weak. She needs a strong vessel and…a communion of intentions with the host. With you."

Also, if they were "literally one and the same" there would be no dialogue between Luna and Raven, there would be just Raven. Luna is a host/vessel for 3 goddesses (one of which is basically non-existent because she went mad) and in certain scenarios one might become dominant but Luna definitely isn't Raven.

EOT on my part.

 

[Stan5851]

This may seem counterintuitive, but she can’t take over unless you allow her to...or if you’re too weak. She needs a strong vessel and…a communion of intentions with the host. With you."

Also, if they were "literally one and the same" there would be no dialogue between Luna and Raven, there would be just Raven. Luna is a host/vessel for 3 goddesses (one of which is basically non-existent because she went mad) and in certain scenarios one might become dominant but Luna definitely isn't Raven.

EOT on my part.

Initially, Luna was the host; after the fusion ( BadAssBitch ending), they became interdependent and formed a single entity. Still, each preserved some degree of freedom. I noted this above.--> #785

I will remain on this hill to the very last. Should you disagree, the only option I can suggest is to "agree to disagree". Have a good day.