VN Ren'Py Luna Reloaded [v0.29] [Frozen Synapse]

[Stan5851]

I'd go with the son and refuse Beachwood also getting engaded with some gives brothel and the ravenites.On the other hand according to spy girl the sissy son is also uite skilled emissary which can be useful with king against his father Beachwood on later updates.

Well, it's really stupid to get involved with brothel, you're right about that. (At least if you're playing canon Dark Queen route). However, we do not necessarily have to work there ourselves; we only need to ensure that its future operation will generate income for our treasury. So I gave Madame permission to engage in this activity.

As for the ravenites, I have chosen to cooperate with them for now. After all, this has great potential. First, with their help, we will spread the Raven religion throughout the Borderlands (the ban on other religions, if I remember correctly, was one of the conditions of the Ravenite Paladin), which will directly affect our supernatural Divine abilities.

In addition, right now they have offered to sacrifice bandits and murderers in order to receive divine blessing (or the curse of our enemies) in the coming battle with the raiders. And considering that we already have a huge shortage of troops, such help will be very useful to us.

As for this,

On the other hand according to spy girl the sissy son is also uite skilled emissary which can be useful with king against his father Beachwood on later updates.

I don't remember this dialogue off the top of my head, but if what you wrote was said, then I don't really understand why we should interfere in the future confrontation between the King and Beechwood.

After all, the King is our worst enemy, and Beachwood is not a friend at all. Therefore, imo, it would be more profitable to weaken them both, because in the end, we will still have to conquer the entire kingdom, and the victory of either side (the King or Beechwood) is unlikely to benefit us.

 

[sunaboz]

Stan5851
Quoting your own interpretation as an argument is just too funny. Here's what's actually in the game:

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It's also literally stated that Luna is an AVATAR of a goddess (the exact quote is: She became the avatar of a cruel Goddess, unfamous for her volatile personality and her penchant for violence) which consists of three "spirits" (that term is used in the game). When she would die or become a mindless slave Raven would have to wait for another reincarnation.

Either way Luna is not Raven. She might be her avatar (so human representation, a vessel) in certain scenarios, but they are not the same.

 

[Udayana]

Stan5851
It's also literally stated that Luna is an AVATAR of a goddess (the exact quote is: She became the avatar of a cruel Goddess, unfamous for her volatile personality and her penchant for violence) which consists of three "spirits" (that term is used in the game). When she would die or become a mindless slave Raven would have to wait for another reincarnation.

Either way Luna is not Raven. She might be her avatar (so human representation, a vessel) in certain scenarios, but they are not the same.

Avatāra means "descent" in Sanskrit. You emphasise the word but you end with a contradiction. In Hinduism, to which the term belongs, a god and his "descent" (on Earth or in another world), his avatar, are one and the same. So maybe the author chose the wrong word, or he knew what he did, in which case what you say is false.

 

[Stan5851]

Stan5851
Quoting your own interpretation as an argument is just too funny. Here's what's actually in the game:

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It's also literally stated that Luna is an AVATAR of a goddess (the exact quote is: She became the avatar of a cruel Goddess, unfamous for her volatile personality and her penchant for violence) which consists of three "spirits" (that term is used in the game). When she would die or become a mindless slave Raven would have to wait for another reincarnation.

Either way Luna is not Raven. She might be her avatar (so human representation, a vessel) in certain scenarios, but they are not the same.

A Divine avatar is the embodiment of a deity in material human form, in order to act in the mortal world. Therefore, there is no contradiction here with what I wrote about the Luna as the physical, material embodiment of the Goddess Raven.

But Luna is not a puppet remotely controlled by Raven from her otherworldly plane of existence. Now (after BadAssBitch ending) they are literally one and the same, which is why I am categorically opposed to the term “vessel,” which, incidentally, is never used anywhere in the game.

 

[Stan5851]

BTW, in the game, Raven is literally described as our “second self”... Which, imo, directly indicates that she is an integral part of Luna's personality. It's just that Luna hasn't yet fully realized who she really is.

In general, we have a rather unique situation here. Yes, Raven is our second self, but she is by no means someone who can take control of Luna's body, like Johnny Silverhand did with V in CP2077... but someone who can and is another facet, another side of Luna's personality. And that's actually amazing.

And I think it's one of the best moments in the game when we see their (Luna-Raven) internal dialogues, discussions, arguments, jokes, and much more...

In other words, they coexist in a unique symbiosis, understanding that they are inextricably linked by a common personality, consciousness, and even body, but at the same time having a certain autonomy, where no one forces anyone to do anything, but rather complements and helps to achieve common goals.

I don't even know what to call it... Perhaps something like this is only possible between a deity and a human being.

If it were any other way, Luna would have ended up in a mental hospital long ago with a diagnosis of split consciousness and schizophrenia, hehe.

 

[wildride69]

I'm going back to Luna's Fall from Grace because it has been so long since I played it. I forgot that JOKER - made a Joker Mod for that game that is a tremendous help for viewing the different paths and making changes. Does anyone know if he is still active making new mods and if he plans on making a mod for Luna Reloaded?

 

[sunaboz]

But Luna is not a puppet remotely controlled by Raven from her otherworldly plane of existence. Now (after BadAssBitch ending) they are literally one and the same, which is why I am categorically opposed to the term “vessel,” which, incidentally, is never used anywhere in the game.

This may seem counterintuitive, but she can’t take over unless you allow her to...or if you’re too weak. She needs a strong vessel and…a communion of intentions with the host. With you."

Also, if they were "literally one and the same" there would be no dialogue between Luna and Raven, there would be just Raven. Luna is a host/vessel for 3 goddesses (one of which is basically non-existent because she went mad) and in certain scenarios one might become dominant but Luna definitely isn't Raven.

EOT on my part.

 

[Stan5851]

This may seem counterintuitive, but she can’t take over unless you allow her to...or if you’re too weak. She needs a strong vessel and…a communion of intentions with the host. With you."

Also, if they were "literally one and the same" there would be no dialogue between Luna and Raven, there would be just Raven. Luna is a host/vessel for 3 goddesses (one of which is basically non-existent because she went mad) and in certain scenarios one might become dominant but Luna definitely isn't Raven.

EOT on my part.

Initially, Luna was the host; after the fusion ( BadAssBitch ending), they became interdependent and formed a single entity. Still, each preserved some degree of freedom. I noted this above.--> #785

I will remain on this hill to the very last. Should you disagree, the only option I can suggest is to "agree to disagree". Have a good day.

 

[Birdnman993]

Well, the variable is there for a reason and I don't see how it can mean anything other than that.As for my Dom Luna-Raven, she will never sink to working in a brothel...I don't understand this nonsense at all, why the dev gives players who play on the pure Dom route such dubious decisions...As for me, such desicions like "working in a brothel" or the possibility to take a loan from "Pale Coin" (slavery) should be rigidly fixed and available only for sub route and tied not just to the number of sub points of Luna, but also to the value of the key variable, when the player was given the choice between so-called “Forgiving mother” (sub) or canon Raven personality (Dark Queen).

Because “you can't climb a Christmas tree without getting pricked”. And either your Luna is a submissive whore (who is shamefully referred to here as the "Forgiving Mother"), or someone who is consistently moving towards realizing and embracing her Divine essence of the “Dark Queen” Raven. No third is given. But this is personally my private opinion...Ofc, the author may have his own vision.

That's exactly my point, put aside the porn logic, what are her reasons for whoring as a lady and a person of power? I'm not talking about a lover nor a pet as real life monarchs, we are talking about sex for money.

My initial game was also full Dom, but seeing how few coins I had, I had to rethink my strategies, so I had to play a mixed game, being Dom in most decisions, but if the opportunity arose to get coins by being sub, I would do so.

Reasons for prostituting herself? Money, simply money, and right now Luna needs to scrape money together from wherever she can to survive and rebuild Clifton Hold. I don't see why we should stigmatize Luna just for prostituting herself. She has said it many times: her body is her greatest asset, so why not use it to her advantage?

And I must praise Frozen Synapse for the versatility of options it gives us access to, whereas in other games you have to choose all the lewd options, even if you don't like them, because otherwise you won't have the points you need to access the next ones; here you can always approach a situation with a sub or dom approach, which gives you more freedom of action.

Not forcibly. I think you are assuming that the game will end with the big battle with the raiders, however, it would be perfectly possible to have the story continue after that, especially depending on the choices done before the raiders story arc kicked in.
I am against authors/developer trying to "milk the cow" by extending their video/game unnecessarily or doing update once a year on purpose, but in the case of Luna reloaded, there are still various paths that can be explored at least for a bit after the raiders battle without actually any need to stretch the thing by force.
If it ended right after the battle with the raiders, IMO (but is only my opionion, of course) would feel as a rushed end - of course depending also on the choices made before, there can be cases where that wouldbe possible, especially in case of a bad end.

I meant that some updates would be needed for the battle, not for the game to end. I doubt it will end until Luna owns the entire kingdom.

 

[Stan5851]

My initial game was also full Dom, but seeing how few coins I had, I had to rethink my strategies, so I had to play a mixed game, being Dom in most decisions, but if the opportunity arose to get coins by being sub, I would do so.

Reasons for prostituting herself? Money, simply money, and right now Luna needs to scrape money together from wherever she can to survive and rebuild Clifton Hold. I don't see why we should stigmatize Luna just for prostituting herself. She has said it many times: her body is her greatest asset, so why not use it to her advantage?

And I must praise Frozen Synapse for the versatility of options it gives us access to, whereas in other games you have to choose all the lewd options, even if you don't like them, because otherwise you won't have the points you need to access the next ones; here you can always approach a situation with a sub or dom approach, which gives you more freedom of action.

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I doubt it will end until Luna owns the entire kingdom.

Absolutely. Anything else would be pointless.

 

[PickerLewd]

While reading about Stan's numerous disputes with the sub fans, I remembered that Luna could summon a zombie for assistance.

Or was it in the other game? I can't remember. My head's spinning. I'll probably have to play through everything from the beginning after all this time.

I remember it was a guy with a scythe who chopped off heads and helped Luna hunt down the corrupt and immoral .

 

[Birdnman993]

While reading about Stan's numerous disputes with the sub fans, I remembered that Luna could summon a zombie for assistance.

Or was it in the other game? I can't remember. My head's spinning. I'll probably have to play through everything from the beginning after all this time.

I remember it was a guy with a scythe who chopped off heads and helped Luna hunt down the corrupt and immoral .

That was in the original game, when we raided an enemy hideout, we turned a guy into a monster to destroy the place. Interestingly, we could do that with sex or not.

Another great thing about all this was the multiple ways to solve the same problem, which ultimately gives the game a seal of quality.

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It's not simply a matter of money. Obviously, Luna Dom Dark would simply exploit her subjects and use them in her schemes as cannon fodder. So, if making money this way means I don't have to abuse the people who live on the borders, it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make. In my game, I want Luna to truly help people and ensure their safety, unlike in LFFG, where after taking over the Helios to hand them over as sex toys for the brothers, I know that the Helios weren't innocent either, but I don't think they deserved the end they got.

 

[Stan5851]

It's not simply a matter of money. Obviously, Luna Dom Dark would simply exploit her subjects and use them in her schemes as cannon fodder. So, if making money this way means I don't have to abuse the people who live on the borders, it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

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In my game, I want Luna to truly help people and ensure their safety, unlike in LFFG, where after taking over the Helios to hand them over as sex toys for the brothers, I know that the Helios weren't innocent either, but I don't think they deserved the end they got.

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[MorbinTime55]

My initial game was also full Dom, but seeing how few coins I had, I had to rethink my strategies, so I had to play a mixed game, being Dom in most decisions, but if the opportunity arose to get coins by being sub, I would do so.

Reasons for prostituting herself? Money, simply money, and right now Luna needs to scrape money together from wherever she can to survive and rebuild Clifton Hold. I don't see why we should stigmatize Luna just for prostituting herself. She has said it many times: her body is her greatest asset, so why not use it to her advantage?

And I must praise Frozen Synapse for the versatility of options it gives us access to, whereas in other games you have to choose all the lewd options, even if you don't like them, because otherwise you won't have the points you need to access the next ones; here you can always approach a situation with a sub or dom approach, which gives you more freedom of action.


I meant that some updates would be needed for the battle, not for the game to end. I doubt it will end until Luna owns the entire kingdom.

I see this as my take as well - I like the versatility that this game offers and the variety of hybrid ways I could pursue the story in both Dom and Sub paths. I do get the notion of some stuff not being optimal/making sense though (Like true pure dom players not having the chance to turn the tables on Domina instead of just subbing as per now, or the Pale Coin scenario playing out for overwhelmingly dominant personalities), but again - think this is the matter of to each their own. I appreciate the options offered nonetheless and personally get my kicks out of seeing a mighty ruler or someone naturally dominant being brought to kneel from time to time for the sake of her people/money/getting her personal jollies off etc. Just my cup of tea.

 

[Stan5851]

I do get the notion of some stuff not being optimal/making sense though (Like true pure dom players not having the chance to turn the tables on Domina instead of just subbing as per now, or the Pale Coin scenario playing out for overwhelmingly dominant personalities), but again - think this is the matter of to each their own.

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[MorbinTime55]

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Have not played LFFG extensively besides the (evil dominant? If that's the Dark Queen route) ending a long while ago, so can't comment too much on the events that transpired there. I just didn't like the fact that a few choices could result in such a hard pivot/branch at the time though, and can definitely see where the dev is coming from in terms of Reloaded's direction.

From the perspective of a lezdom-focused role-reversal/hybrid player, I do agree that for pure domme players (0 or so sub pts) it may be kind of immersion breaking to suddenly see a brothel/slave scenario, but for accessibility's sake even if I don't agree with it or think it makes complete sense narrative-wise, I actually do like what we have at the moment where I do not necessarily have to worry about decisions or stats completely locking me out of certain lezdom scenes (+ we have the option to back out of those scenarios like you mentioned). I really don't like reloading a bunch of saves or restarting the game proper to see what I potentially missed out on, but just a personal preference.

I really hope that there's a sort of middle line that can be realised here by the dev. Maybe a gallery? Or perhaps a pre-game specific setting to disable any possible immersion/lore breaking sub/domme routes for people with very specific alignments in mind (no role reversal or alternative paths)? Hard to say honestly.

 

[Stan5851]

Have not played LFFG extensively besides the (evil dominant? If that's the Dark Queen route) ending a long while ago, so can't comment too much on the events that transpired there. I just didn't like the fact that a few choices could result in such a hard pivot/branch at the time though, and can definitely see where the dev is coming from in terms of Reloaded's direction.

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