VN Ren'Py Luna Reloaded [v0.29] [Frozen Synapse]

[Stan5851]

how about making her put her sissy betrothed to work at the brothel as well?

Well, the variable is there for a reason and I don't see how it can mean anything other than that.

I hope the sub requirement for the brothel won't be to high, as I am mostly playing the dom route, but want to make her a whore as well.

As for my Dom Luna-Raven, she will never sink to working in a brothel...I don't understand this nonsense at all, why the dev gives players who play on the pure Dom route such dubious decisions...As for me, such desicions like "working in a brothel" or the possibility to take a loan from "Pale Coin" (slavery) should be rigidly fixed and available only for sub route and tied not just to the number of sub points of Luna, but also to the value of the key variable, when the player was given the choice between so-called “Forgiving mother” (sub) or canon Raven personality (Dark Queen).

Because “you can't climb a Christmas tree without getting pricked”. And either your Luna is a submissive whore (who is shamefully referred to here as the "Forgiving Mother"), or someone who is consistently moving towards realizing and embracing her Divine essence of the “Dark Queen” Raven. No third is given. But this is personally my private opinion...Ofc, the author may have his own vision.

 

[sunaboz]

As for Dom Luna, she will never sink to working in a brothel...

And why not? You can have dominant whores (and she might be wearing a mask so it's not like she will be degrading herself openly). Being dominant doesn't mean it's all work and no play. As for "pale coin", if she will pay them up there won't be any issue and if she won't she can always resist them. If she will be powerful enough they wouldn't be able to do a thing so anything is on the table currently (unless dev will make them so powerful that even her divine powers won't help her).

I can see dev making it work for a hybrid build even though these are submissive choices (so you're basically right and it's just wishful thinking on my part).

 

[Theodora76]

Amabel my bitch...

 

[Sigrsim]

such desicions like "working in a brothel" or the possibility to take a loan from "Pale Coin" (slavery) should be rigidly fixed and available only for sub route and tied not just to the number of sub points of Luna, but also to the value of the key variable, when the player was given the choice between so-called “Forgiving mother” (sub) or canon Raven personality (Dark Queen).

Because “you can't climb a Christmas tree without getting pricked”. And either your Luna is a submissive whore (who is shamefully referred to here as the "Forgiving Mother"), or someone who is consistently moving towards realizing and embracing her Divine essence of the “Dark Queen” Raven. No third is given.

I find this whole notion that seems to be pervasive in most H-games, and even normal RPG's that your character has to be 2-dimensional, so tiring.
Just because I pick some "good" choices, doesn't mean that my character should always pick good aligned choices, etc.
I see no reason why a person that is dominant, can't also enjoy whoring herself off in some ways. I never make my Luna truly submit to another person, but I still want her to willingly take on a "submissive" role when it suits her, or when she feels like it.
The brothel is a perfect avenue for this. It's a way to "cut loose" while staying incognito.
Another example is making Luna submit to Domina. I hate maledom, so I don't want her to submit to a man. But having her submit to another woman, I find hot. Most games don't let you do this. You either pick dom route or sub route, and doesn't allow for you to choose a middle ground.

 

[honeryx]

You dudes talking about being a dominant whore need to go out and do some whoring of your own. Get some actual play irl for once. Then come back to us and tell us how dominant you felt being a prostitute.

 

[wildride69]

You dudes talking about being a dominant whore need to go out and do some whoring of your own. Get some actual play irl for once. Then come back to us and tell us how dominant you felt being a prostitute.

Luna Reloaded is a FANTASY game... Like Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny or hell the porno pizza delivery guy showing up and a sorority all wants to play hide the sausage with him.

If you have real life trauma go and seek professional help, you won't find any here with people who realize this is make believe.

 

[ouch2020]

Just use URM, it's easier. You can change the statistics in real time.

Actually,

Perhaps there are two or three left at most. The raven priestess has already given us the option to invoke the powers of the Raven, so there should be very little left.

Not forcibly. I think you are assuming that the game will end with the big battle with the raiders, however, it would be perfectly possible to have the story continue after that, especially depending on the choices done before the raiders story arc kicked in.
I am against authors/developer trying to "milk the cow" by extending their video/game unnecessarily or doing update once a year on purpose, but in the case of Luna reloaded, there are still various paths that can be explored at least for a bit after the raiders battle without actually any need to stretch the thing by force.
If it ended right after the battle with the raiders, IMO (but is only my opionion, of course) would feel as a rushed end - of course depending also on the choices made before, there can be cases where that wouldbe possible, especially in case of a bad end.

And hopefully there won't be a deus ex machina to save Luna, and all that preparation will have been for nothing because Gandalf came out to save the day.

That depends also on your definition of "deus ex machina", even without the "machina" (well, aside the computer we are using to play the game ), there is a deus (Luna herself, protective mother or vengeful queen does not matter), though at the same time, that does not mean automatically that no matter how bad your situation, you will be able to get out of it with the "divinity points" , and even if you can use them to modify the results, it does not automatically mean that you will be able to win just by using those - it may just allow you to avoid the direst hipothesis, not to reverse completely an outright bad situation (if that is what you have).

 

[Fairlight0306]

Luna Reloaded is a FANTASY game... Like Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny or hell the porno pizza delivery guy showing up and a sorority all wants to play hide the sausage with him.

Really? Ok let's play a game, a role play game. We are in a FANTASY set in our time where you are the ceo of a low/mid corp, do you whore yourself out? And if yes what are the motivations?Obviously not the money, because it's fun? What are the cosequences if your workers finds out? A lot of people thinks that fantasy means that all is possible, it's not, for a fantasy world to be immersive and plausible it must have rules and accountability for your actions and that's exactly why i love this game.

 

[MorbinTime55]

I find this whole notion that seems to be pervasive in most H-games, and even normal RPG's that your character has to be 2-dimensional, so tiring.
Just because I pick some "good" choices, doesn't mean that my character should always pick good aligned choices, etc.
I see no reason why a person that is dominant, can't also enjoy whoring herself off in some ways. I never make my Luna truly submit to another person, but I still want her to willingly take on a "submissive" role when it suits her, or when she feels like it.
The brothel is a perfect avenue for this. It's a way to "cut loose" while staying incognito.
Another example is making Luna submit to Domina. I hate maledom, so I don't want her to submit to a man. But having her submit to another woman, I find hot. Most games don't let you do this. You either pick dom route or sub route, and doesn't allow for you to choose a middle ground.

Wholeheartedly agree with this - having an option to see a normally dominant Luna submitting and cutting loose behind closed doors to someone else is definitely a plus (The option to opt out of it is nice too for those that don't enjoy the content). Not everything has to be black and white all the time imo, esp if it involves getting locked out of content from a very early option or having to go through some sort of convoluted route to see everything.

Also yeah - hoping for more Domina/lezdom scenes myself. Love the addition of those so far.

 

[sunaboz]

Really? Ok let's play a game, a role play game. We are in a FANTASY set in our time where you are the ceo of a low/mid corp, do you whore yourself out? And if yes what are the motivations?Obviously not the money, because it's fun? What are the cosequences if your workers finds out? A lot of people thinks that fantasy means that all is possible, it's not, for a fantasy world to be immersive and plausible it must have rules and accountability for your actions and that's exactly why i love this game.

Except Luna is not a CEO but a lady of Clifton Hold and she has absolute power over her subjects. Even if some would find out that she was whoring herself out she could suppress that info before it spread (it's not like they have internet or phones). And even if not, they would learn about it and what would they do? Would they rebel just because of this fact? As long as people would prosper that would be unlikely.

Monarchs throughout history were one of the most perverse people you could think of (especially Roman emperors but not only). People knew about it and what did they do? Nothing. Some monarchs were killed by other nobles but in case of Luna that might happen regardless of whether she's dominant or submissive because she has enemies all around her.

Either way dev gives us some leeway so that the game won't be linear once we decide on a path and thankfully we can make a submissive decision on occasions (sometimes we won't meet requirements but a hybrid build is possible).

 

[Sigrsim]

You dudes talking about being a dominant whore need to go out and do some whoring of your own. Get some actual play irl for once. Then come back to us and tell us how dominant you felt being a prostitute.

You don't think some girls feel empowered by having men pay them for sexual services? Women who are forced into it, or are whoring because they are desperate, surely don't feel dominant. But I know for a fact that many who willingly whore themselves out do. And people are not always black and white caricatures.
Edited because I realized my original argument didn't apply to Luna's case.

 

[Theodora76]

Btw buying armor and conscripting villagers to army is nice option as an alternative of pale coin troop offer.

 

[Fairlight0306]

Except Luna is not a CEO but a lady of Clifton Hold and she has absolute power over her subjects.

That's exactly my point, put aside the porn logic, what are her reasons for whoring as a lady and a person of power? I'm not talking about a lover nor a pet as real life monarchs, we are talking about sex for money.

 

[sunaboz]

That's exactly my point, put aside the porn logic, what are her reasons for whoring as a lady and a person of power? I'm not talking about a lover nor a pet as real life monarchs, we are talking about sex for money.

So what you're saying basically is that we shouldn't even have a choice to work in a brothel (regardless whether we're submissive or not) because Luna is a person of power and it's illogical, lol.

To answer your question - high libido is a good enough reason. Luna will be wearing a mask AND wig/makeup that will minimise the chances of someone recognising her. She will have sex AND get money for it, win-win in her book. The alternative here is that she would go to some random village and fuck some random stranger which could pose even more problems or she could try to seduce someone in the castle which would be even more dangerous especially if she would be betrothed to that sissy (plus anyone around her has some agenda).

And in the first place, what happens in the bedroom might differ from your typical life. There are dominant and important people who are willing to be submissive during sex and vice versa. It might not be always the case, it might happen on occasions but it's something to spice things up or do something new and fresh. I see no contradiction here. Luna working in a brothel will allow her to scratch her itch, give her money and let loose in ways otherwise not possible for a person of her stature.

P.S.
Look up Valeria Messalina.

 

[Fairlight0306]

So what you're saying basically is that we shouldn't even have a choice to work in a brothel (regardless whether we're submissive or not) because Luna is a person of power and it's illogical, lol.

To answer your question - high libido is a good enough reason. Luna will be wearing a mask AND wig/makeup that will minimise the chances of someone recognising her. She will have sex AND get money for it, win-win in her book. The alternative here is that she would go to some random village and fuck some random stranger which could pose even more problems or she could try to seduce someone in the castle which would be even more dangerous especially if she would be betrothed to that sissy (plus anyone around her has some agenda).

And in the first place, what happens in the bedroom might differ from your typical life. There are dominant and important people who are willing to be submissive during sex and vice versa. It might not be always the case, it might happen on occasions but it's something to spice things up or do something new and fresh. I see no contradiction here. Luna working in a brothel will allow her to scratch her itch, give her money and let loose in ways otherwise not possible for a person of her stature.

P.S.
Look up Valeria Messalina.

I said put the porn logic aside but whatever. She can fuck any one any time, she may have a sissy pet, that s her "typical life" and (your words) she has absolute power over her subjects but for some weird reason she feels the urge to do the harlot in a brothel, perfectly logic sure, go on you play as fits for you but please leave the logic alone. And the third part of the message: you are absolutely right and i am not arguing about that but she can "scratch her itch" in thousands different ways that are not a brothel. Mine is not a puritan or moral objection to be clear, it is about opportunity and logic.

 

[Sigrsim]

but for some weird reason she feels the urge to do the harlot in a brothel, perfectly logic sure

How is that illogical? Letting yourself be sexually submissive, does not mean you have to be a submissive person in general. Dominating people can, and often are, submissive in bed. Just ask any femdom escort what their typical customer is. It's not some weak sissy. It's powerful and rich men.

 

[Fairlight0306]

How is that illogical? Letting yourself be sexually submissive, does not mean you have to be a submissive person in general. Dominating people can, and often are, submissive in bed. Just ask any femdom escort what their typical customer is. It's not some weak sissy. It's powerful and rich men.

I am not against being sexually submissive (well i am for Luna honestly), i am against the brothel part. If she pays some dome to play submissive i will find the thing more acceptable because she is a powerful and rich woman quoting you.

 

[Stan5851]

You guys and gals are missing something important. And that something is called game lore.

Let me remind those who don't know (or have forgotten) that our Luna in this game didn't come out of nowhere, but appeared here, roughly speaking, 300-500 years after the events of the first game, LFFG.
(I'm leaving Diatima Isekai aside, because nothing has changed there that is fundamental to the personality of Luna-Raven).

Let's start from the beginning...

So, in fact, we have a canon (according to the idea and opinion of the game's dev himself) pure Dom ending, which players could get by playing the BadAssBitch route.

As you probably remember (if you played LFFG), in addition to the canon BadAssBitch ending, in which our mortal Luna merges with the immortal essence of the Goddess Raven and carries out her revenge and justice, there were other endings.

They were submissive (including many different sub utcomes), but in them Luna never attained divinity and, at best, only the Mad and insane “yellow” essence could remain in the back of her consciousness... In other words, it was a bad ending for Luna.

The third ending (Hero route) allowed her to take on a different form, merging with her other (“green”) divine sister/essence and becoming the Goddess of Justice, then we went our own way, bloody but fair.

So, after several centuries, our Luna wakes up in a post-apocalyptic world and tries to remember her past, understand who she is and what she is doing here. In one of the first versions of the game, she partially succeeds, and during her trance (or sleep), we are shown a colorful flashback of what happened to her before the nuclear apocalypse struck the planet, after which Goddess Raven-Luna, having preserved her physical embodiment (Luna) from disintegration, fell asleep for many centuries.

And this flashback shows nothing other than the canon BadAssBitch (Dom) ending of LFFG, in which Raven-Luna was victorious.

Yes, we know that Raven is not only a Goddess whose “area of responsibility” includes the Domains of War, Dominance, and Vengeance, but she also has more peaceful domains such as mercy and others mentioned in the game. However, the truth is that Raven has never been submissive, and there has never been any aspect of a “forgiving mother,” which completely contradicts her main domain, Domination.

Therefore, in my opinion, such an invention by the author (“forgiving mother”) looks like an attempt to come up with a justification for the existence of a submissive whore route in the new game, when we are playing for the Goddess of Domination, who cannot be a submissive whore in principle.

Yes, I understand that the author decided to simplify the game, remembering what a complex branching structure LFFG ultimately turned into, the ending of which he barely managed to cope with.

But in my opinion, it would have been worth coming up with something else, although I understand that it was quite difficult to do, and if I were in the author's shoes, who led only one of the three divine sisters to victory—the dominant Raven—I wouldn't have known what to do either.

As an alternative, it would have been possible to allow the awakening of that "yellow" insane divine entity/sister, which was loyal to Luna's manifestations of submission and obedience. But that would have complicated the writing of the game... In general, it's bad either way.

So, in essence, the author kind of trapped himself...Yes, he simplified the game, but Raven was never responsible for submission and obedience; she is, first and foremost, a goddess of War, Dominance, and Vengeance. And if anyone remembers that Raven is also a merciful goddess, let me remind you that mercy has nothing to do with submission and obedience.

For me, the lore in this game is also important, and it's one of the things I particularly like. And that's exactly why it seems crazy to me when we (Goddess of Dominance) are offered to go work in a brothel or sign a contract for voluntary slavery! ... At least in the latter case, her second divine self Raven openly tried to dissuade her from this idiocy. At least here the author had the courage to remember who Raven really is.

 

[sunaboz]

Luna isn't Raven, she's just a vessel that contains her. She has her own mind and she can resist this "goddess". Raven couldn't just take over her body, otherwise we wouldn't even have bad endings for LFFG. Once she wakes up all is reset, she's a blank slate (which all the zeros are a proof of). Raven of course tries to influence Luna so that she would do what Raven wants but ultimately Luna (i.e. the player) decides what course of action we should take.

 

[Stan5851]

Luna isn't Raven, she's just a vessel that contains her. She has her own mind and she can resist this "goddess". Raven couldn't just take over her body, otherwise we wouldn't even have bad endings for LFFG. Once she wakes up all is reset, she's a blank slate (which all the zeros are a proof of). Raven of course tries to influence Luna so that she would do what Raven wants but ultimately Luna (i.e. the player) decides what course of action we should take.

Nope, that's not true. #377 Luna is not some kind of vessel, but the physical embodiment of Raven. They are one and the same, a single personality, and this has been discussed many times. So there's not much to debate here.

You should replay LFFG following the BadAssBitch route and make sure that the merger of the mortal Luna and the divine disembodied essence of Raven, who rules on another plane of existence but is also present within Luna's consciousness as her alter ego for most of the game, has indeed taken place.

However, it all depends on the player's choice; we could have merged with another divine sister, but the canon is exactly that: Luna-Raven.

Luna knew something had changed, though she didn't know what exactly.

She felt powerful, more confident, more sure of herself and of her place in the world.

She was awake now and many things that seemed important before no longer mattered.

She was the Dark Queen. And everyone, enemies, and allies alike, would learn to fear her.