Rutonat

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We all have our own preferences, certainly. And its good to have a very wide spectrum available to suit all interests.

Me personally, I'm not here for stories that are all that deep or meaningful. Somewhere in the middle. I want to be entertained with something thats interesting and fun, but with lots of sex, nudity and eroticism. And I badly and deeply need to be able to have some control over the pacing and order. There are some extremely well done hallway VNs that I would have liked ten times more if they were a semi-sandbox.
Well you're not gonna find what you want with this one, if you get bored if there's not regular controllable sex scenes...
 

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Well you're not gonna find what you want with this one, if you get bored if there's not regular controllable sex scenes...
I like this one. It has unique content and very likably characters. And actually, you can visit various locations and enjoy repeatable sex scenes. Not all of them, but with most of the characters. I really like to do that in between moving the story along.
 

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I like this one. It has unique content and very likably characters. And actually, you can visit various locations and enjoy repeatable sex scenes. Not all of them, but with most of the characters. I really like to do that in between moving the story along.
Ho wait, my bad. Had multiple tabs open to check replies and I mixed this tab with Elvensang's one. Woops. :FacePalm:
 

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... Or it's the creator wanting to make a story with sex in it, not a freaking gonzo sex romp ? You're aware that exists, right ? Otherwise every porn game would just be a collection of animations with no text needed...
You seem to have completely missed that the point I was making was about sandbox vs. standard VN and are making a bunch of assumptions about what I like. I actually like a good story and some buildup which is why I play AVNs and don't just watch porn. However, these are still adult VNs and it's not unreasonable to expect some action without playing for hours.
 

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I think the reason many people prefer VNs is that it's much more difficult to make a good sandbox game. Beyond the story and characters, you've also got to figure out the GUI (locations, navigation, stats display, etc.), what stats are available and important (I've played too many adult games where you spent more time managing your health, hygiene, hunger etc than you do romancing/seducing/corrupting the LIs. That's really not fun), what times of day are available(ideally once you're past the early game there should not be a time when you're skipping), whether or not an inventory is important, where are the NPC characters at what time of day, and most important (to me) what kind of hints do you give the player to help them move the story forward. Because of this, most sandboxes are executed poorly.

This sandbox is better than most but it still has its warts. However, that doesn't mean that sandboxes are bad in general, just that significantly more care needs to be put into designing them.
 
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I think the reason many people prefer VNs is that it's much motlre difficult to to make a good sandbox game. Beyond the story and characters, you've also got to figure out the GUI (locations, navigation, stats display, etc.), what stats are available and important (I've played too many adult games where you spent more time managing your health, hygiene, hunger etc than you do romancing/seducing/corrupting the LIs. That's really not fun), what times of day are available(ideally once you're past the early game there should not be a time when you're skipping), whether or not an inventory is important, where are the NPC characters at what time of day, and most important (to me) what kind of hints do you give the player to help them move the story forward. Because of this, most sandboxes are executed poorly.

This sandbox is better than most but it still has its warts. However, that doesn't mean that sandboxes are bad in general, just that significantly more care needs to be put into designing them.
No doubt about that. Not that just anyone can make a VN, but its the simpler process. Just like making a 3D comic is the step before the VN.
 
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I think the reason many people prefer VNs is that it's much motlre difficult to to make a good sandbox game. Beyond the story and characters, you've also got to figure out the GUI (locations, navigation, stats display, etc.), what stats are available and important (I've played too many adult games where you spent more time managing your health, hygiene, hunger etc than you do romancing/seducing/corrupting the LIs. That's really not fun), what times of day are available(ideally once you're past the early game there should not be a time when you're skipping), whether or not an inventory is important, where are the NPC characters at what time of day, and most important (to me) what kind of hints do you give the player to help them move the story forward. Because of this, most sandboxes are executed poorly.

This sandbox is better than most but it still has its warts. However, that doesn't mean that sandboxes are bad in general, just that significantly more care needs to be put into designing them.
This is 100% true and there's so many things I've learned from making Lunar's Chosen that I want to implement into my next game to make the sandbox much better.
 

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You seem to have completely missed that the point I was making was about sandbox vs. standard VN and are making a bunch of assumptions about what I like. I actually like a good story and some buildup which is why I play AVNs and don't just watch porn. However, these are still adult VNs and it's not unreasonable to expect some action without playing for hours.
Just because you think "adult" VNs should have sex scenes every XX minutes doesn't mean it's a rule.
Your wishes aren't a requierment.
There are plenty other games that have barely justified sex scenes every 5 minutes. Yet you come here to complain about having to suffer hours of story before you see some fucking happening...
What am I assuming wrong, again ? The idea that you complain because you want to be right and for games to cater to your liking ?
 

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Just because you think "adult" VNs should have sex scenes every XX minutes doesn't mean it's a rule.
Your wishes aren't a requierment.
There are plenty other games that have barely justified sex scenes every 5 minutes. Yet you come here to complain about having to suffer hours of story before you see some fucking happening...
What am I assuming wrong, again ? The idea that you complain because you want to be right and for games to cater to your liking ?
I never complained about anything; I replied to someone saying sandbox games take too long to get to the action. It appears either your reading comprehension is awful or you're just making shit up to troll. Either way, I'm done with this conversation.
 
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I personally do not like VN games, even with a good story, it is just that, a story, no feeling of interaction.
Sandbox all the way, even the slow burn ones, as long as they are good.

If I look at latest updates, if it's not Sandbox, I move on to the next.
I do not however go to every VN game page and complain saying "Not another VN" i.e. trolling your dislike.

I'd suggest people who hate sandbox to do the same.
It seems that every game I follow here and like, you can guarantee someone moaning about 'Oh no, not another Sandbox game' in the games respective threads. Don't like them, leave the page.
 

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I want the latest update compressed I want a link, I don't want to consume a lot of data Can someone help me
 

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Hello, I downloaded the game today, lot of good reviews. Liking it so far, but ran into an issue when trying to work out at the gym for the first time. An exception error comes up, it's very long so I just copied the last part:

File "game/places.rpy", line 223, in script
jump gymworkout1
File "renpy/ast.py", line 1757, in execute
rv = renpy.game.script.lookup(target)
File "renpy/script.py", line 918, in lookup
raise ScriptError("could not find label '%s'." % str(original))
ScriptError: could not find label 'gymworkout1'.

I can attach the whole thing if needed. Not sure if it's something on my side?
 
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