VN Ren'Py Abandoned Lust Bloom [v0.3.1] [Don Lizard Studios]

[Fazed]

why then do the devs give so much weight to their story if not to cause emotions to the reader/player?

why do they change controversial topics if players call them out?

To make it relatable. Immersion etc. because sometimes the plot direction sucks and deserves to be called out. I play the game and I immerse myself like many others and when things happen I feel for the characters in the story. Thats what a good story is supposed to do. I am peeved when the MC is wronged and I feel good when he drop kicks the smug asshole in the teeth. Sure ofc. I am not saying otherwise.

But thats not where the it ends. If every time a MC acts in a way that I personally wouldnt, I flip out and quit the game, I'd probably never play another game again. The MC is not me, I am not the MC. I can relate to the MC sure and probably align myself to some degree with the personality the author wrote, but it's not me. Chances are he's gonna do or say some shit that I maybe wouldnt do but that is the story.

Now, sometimes devs have a brain fart and goes off the rails, or lets the devil whisper in their ear and adds some bullshit nobody was expecting, pissing off the player base in the process and and catches justified heat for it. That's all good. They can make the call to fix it, tell the whiners to stfu or implode...lol.

 

[Beast Within]

To make it relatable. Immersion etc. because sometimes the plot direction sucks and deserves to be called out. I play the game and I immerse myself like many others and when things happen I feel for the characters in the story. Thats what a good story is supposed to do. I am peeved when the MC is wronged and I feel good when he drop kicks the smug asshole in the teeth. Sure ofc. I am not saying otherwise.

But thats not where the it ends. If every time a MC acts in a way that I personally wouldnt, I flip out and quit the game, I'd probably never play another game again. The MC is not me, I am not the MC. I can relate to the MC sure and probably align myself to some degree with the personality the author wrote, but it's not me. Chances are he's gonna do or say some shit that I maybe wouldnt do but that is the story.

Now, sometimes devs have a brain fart and goes off the rails, or lets the devil whisper in their ear and adds some bullshit nobody was expecting, pissing off the player base in the process and and catches justified heat for it. That's all good. They can make the call to fix it, tell the whiners to stfu or implode...lol.

I 100% agree with everything you just said.

 

[SAHC]

Is this the reaction you're looking for?

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This is how the update ends. While MC was talking to the brunette girl (the one he has been seeing), they were discussing going on a date. Blonde girl suddenly shows up with another girl and tells MC that she bought him a lap dance. MC and the brunette were a bit shocked and didn't know what to do, as MC didn't want to upset brunette girl. But brunette gave him the go ahead after thinking about it for a while.

So, MC leaves to go get said lap dance. But when he returns, he doesn't see either of them (blonde and brunette). As he is heading back to the table, he spots them making out and that is his reaction. Seems rather pissed. Then the update ends.

So, blondie distracted MC and got him to go away, and then when he comes back, blondie has taken his girl and is making out with her.

So as it stands at the moment his reaction is shock, then the update ends. So we don't know if he likes it, or doesn't. Depending on how the next update starts, we can revisit the tags. As of now it's just cheating.

 

[Fazed]

so basically we have a scene which is...
"designed to cause jealousy by having the romantic interest involved with someone other than the MC"


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Yea....like I said, it's not how I would have written it at all and it does look sus. I'm generally not a fan of cheap cliffhangers and this seems like it's one of those. Not having it's intended effect...Or maybe it is since we(I) just cant seem to stop discussing it.

He's probably just surprised and will have the best night of his life next update. Unlikely to get the tag and I don't think it should if things play out the way I think they will. Doesn't fit. Its gotta be some form of malicious action of that nature towards the MC. Two girls snogging before eventually sucking off the MC together doesn't qualify. If it's not something you would see a typical antagonist do to cause tension of that nature then it probably doesn't fit the tag. Dont think there are any antagonists that have the hots for the MC and want to jump into bed with him and does this lmao. There I think there could possibly be hentai manga with that plot...Japanese mangaka put a spin on everything.

Oh shit actually no there is a game like that on this site. The MC is little wimp and a futa succubus wants him for herself so she goes around seducing all the women around him so eventually his only option left will be her. Now thats an insane twist lol.

 

[snideremark]

Honestly, if that situation (ending of 0.3.1) happened to me IRL I'd get my shit and leave and on the way home both get blocked.

 

[XV71]

would have liked some content with Jess before the dev executed her.

 

[micojive]

So as it stands at the moment his reaction is shock, then the update ends. So we don't know if he likes it, or doesn't. Depending on how the next update starts, we can revisit the tags. As of now it's just cheating.

The mental gymnastics...heres how I view it. If the blonde girl was a guy instead and nothing else changed about the scene at all do you think the MC yelling "what the fuck" isnt anger? Do people often yell out what the fuck to things they like after seeing their SO kissinig another person?

 

[SAHC]

The mental gymnastics...heres how I view it. If the blonde girl was a guy instead and nothing else changed about the scene at all do you think the MC yelling "what the fuck" isnt anger? Do people often yell out what the fuck to things they like after seeing their SO kissinig another person?

It's not about what I think. It's about what the MC thinks about it. We don't know because the update finished before he said anything else.

 

[hysepReC]

He's probably just surprised and will have the best night of his life next update. Unlikely to get the tag and I don't think it should if things play out the way I think they will. Doesn't fit. Its gotta be some form of malicious action of that nature towards the MC. Two girls snogging before eventually sucking off the MC together doesn't qualify.

So it's OK if the MC's girl cheats on him as long as he gets a threesome out of it, is that what you're saying? Umm... no thanks! Why would i want a girl that i can't leave alone for 5 minutes without her making out with someone else?

 

[SAHC]

So it's OK if the MC's girl cheats on him as long as he gets a threesome out of it, is that what you're saying? Umm... no thanks! Why would i want a girl that i can't leave alone for 5 minutes without her making out with someone else?

In that scenario it wouldn't be NTR, since it means he enjoyed it. So the kiss would just be cheating. Which the game is currently tagged as.

 

[Fazed]

So it's OK if the MC's girl cheats on him as long as he gets a threesome out of it, is that what you're saying? Umm... no thanks! Why would i want a girl that i can't leave alone for 5 minutes without her making out with someone else?

I know types like you like to tunnel vision and make things up to suit your own narrative so I wont bother spelling it out for you. You can either reread my comment, and this time pay attention to the words I actually typed or move on living in your delusion.

 

[SpyderArachnid]

It's not about what I think. It's about what the MC thinks about it. We don't know because the update finished before he said anything else.

I don't know, feels like you are trying to find whatever loophole you can to not tag this as NTR, when it is clearly NTR.

Even games that have sharing and hotwife content are tagged as NTR. And the MC loves that stuff, yet it is still tagged as NTR. Even games where the girlfriend cheats behind the MC's back are tagged as NTR.

There is no taking into account the MC's feelings when it comes to NTR. Whether he likes it or not, the NTR tag is still used.

This is the ruling for NTR on this site (as per the new definitions).

Netorare Tag

A love interest has sexual contact with someone else without the approval of the protagonist, either voluntarily or from some form of coercion (eg, drugs, mind control, blackmail, rape).

In that scenario it wouldn't be NTR, since it means he enjoyed it. So the kiss would just be cheating. Which the game is currently tagged as.

I feel you don't know your own rules, as the cheating tag is for the protagonist. It does not apply to partners.

Cheating Tag

The protagonist has sexual contact with someone other than their partner, without approval from their partner

 

[hysepReC]

In that scenario it wouldn't be NTR, since it means he enjoyed it. So the kiss would just be cheating. Which the game is currently tagged as.

"Umm ackshually it's just cheating not NTR" lol

I know types like you like to tunnel vision and make things up to suit your own narrative so I wont bother spelling it out for you. You can either reread my comment, and this time pay attention to the words I actually typed or move on living in your delusion.

Sorry, what am i making up? Jess buys the MC a lap dance to get rid of him and when he gets back he finds her making out with Lucy. It takes two to tango and clearly Lucy can't be trusted. I don't want a girl that i can't trust.

 

[SAHC]

I don't know, feels like you are trying to find whatever loophole you can to not tag this as NTR, when it is clearly NTR.

Even games that have sharing and hotwife content are tagged as NTR. And the MC loves that stuff, yet it is still tagged as NTR. Even games where the girlfriend cheats behind the MC's back are tagged as NTR.

There is no taking into account the MC's feelings when it comes to NTR. Whether he likes it or not, the NTR tag is still used.

This is the ruling for NTR on this site (as per the new definitions).






I feel you don't know your own rules, as the cheating tag is for the protagonist. It does not apply to partners.

We are not on the new system yet. The current system is "Netorare [Designed to cause jealousy by having the romantic interest involved with someone other than the MC - Cheating [A significant other having sex with someone other than their partner."

Once the new system is in place, which is soon ™, then a lot of games will have to be revisited for the correct tags.

 

[SpyderArachnid]

We are not on the new system yet. The current system is "Netorare [Designed to cause jealousy by having the romantic interest involved with someone other than the MC." Once the new system is in place, which is soon ™, then a lot of games will have to be revisited for the correct tags.

You seemed to pass over the rest of my post.

It doesn't matter if the MC likes it or not. The netorare tag is still used.

Seriously, do a search in the latest updates with netorare filtered and you'll find tons of games that use the netorare tag. Games that are sharing/swinging and ones that are full on cheating/cuck. They aren't differentiated, they all use the netorare tag.

So, unless all of these games are tagged wrong currently, then this should also have the netorare tag regardless if the MC likes it or not. Otherwise, you have a ton of games to go through and fix tags for. Seems unfair that they all have to have the netorare tag while this game that does the same thing doesn't.

 

[SAHC]

You seemed to pass over the rest of my post.

It doesn't matter if the MC likes it or not. The netorare tag is still used.

Seriously, do a search in the latest updates with netorare filtered and you'll find tons of games that use the netorare tag. Games that are sharing/swinging and ones that are full on cheating/cuck. They aren't differentiated, they all use the netorare tag.

So, unless all of these games are tagged wrong currently, then this should also have the netorare tag regardless if the MC likes it or not. Otherwise, you have a ton of games to go through and fix tags for. Seems unfair that they all have to have the netorare tag while this game that does the same thing doesn't.

I didn't skim over it. Our current system states jealousy has to be involved, which is the correct definition. You are correct though, that most games are tagged incorrectly. We stopped using the NTR tag for swinging,sharing etc months ago. If anyone is still uploading them with that, then they have made a mistake.

 

[Old Grumpy Wolf]

Look, I'm the more lenient of the anti-NTR crowd and even I feel like it's slightly over the border and into the zone I'm not a fan of. I'm not going to bitch about it, or get into some deep convo over it. The dev should write the game however they want. But this game isn't for me. So, I'll just wish the dev well and see myself out.

 

[SAHC]

Look, I'm the more lenient of the anti-NTR crowd and even I feel like it's slightly over the border and into the zone I'm not a fan of. I'm not going to bitch about it, or get into some deep convo over it. The dev should write the game however they want. But this game isn't for me. So, I'll just wish the dev well and see myself out.

Like I said a few times in the thread. It all depends on how the MC will react in the next update based on our current tag system. I have a feeling the MC is probably pissed, or at the very least super annoyed; but since the dev finished the update before we found out, I can't tag it. If the MC is shocked then gets horned up, it's just cheating. If he is shocked then gets annoyed by it, then it's NTR.

Once the new tagging system is in place, people will be a lot more clear on what is, and what isn't in games. We're rewriting current tags and adding new ones based off of more Western meanings, rather than the Japanese meaning of NTR.

At least you're calm

 

[Old Grumpy Wolf]

Like I said a few times in the thread. It all depends on how the MC will react in the next update based on our current tag system. I have a feeling the MC is probably pissed, or at the very least super annoyed; but since the dev finished the update before we found out, I can't tag it. If the MC is shocked then gets horned up, it's just cheating. If he is shocked then gets annoyed by it, then it's NTR.

Once the new tagging system is in place, people will be a lot more clear on what is, and what isn't in games. We're rewriting current tags and adding new ones based off of more Western meanings, rather than the Japanese meaning of NTR.

At least you're calm

For me, it doesn't matter how the MC takes it. It's how I take it. I'm not comfortable with it. I'm glad the dev is writing this his way and should continue to do so. As for being calm, I just don't see an actual reason to get upset. People have different tastes and I tried the game and it's not for me. I'm glad others can play and enjoy it.

 

[ThaDude1977]

The girl may be setting up a 3some. Who knows? But still ain't right she's cheating no matter how you look at it. She is doing it behind his back. What if he doesn't want a 3some with that woman? She doesn't know wether he wants it or not. I think you should be able to avoid both women for that. But of course the Dev will write it like the MC likes it and gets horny and won't make sense. I'll predict it now The MC is gonna think it's HOT and not even give a shit she is cheating on him and then at some point have a 3some because only way to set up a 3some is if they are Lesbian/Bi and only Bi chicks have 3somes. Am i right? This is not a cliff hanger if you can predict what's going to happen. By the way it's not the only way it's just lesbian lovers way of intergrating lesbians into the story NOT to set up a Harem.