Ren'Py Lust Theory [v0.9.0] [Inceton Games]

[Corambis]

Agreed. Much like the endless arguments about defining NTR, there's several things in this game that are arguably rape, but the line seems to have been drawn before violent rape. The only characters that have suffered from significant physical violence are the MC (at Nicole's hands) and Amy's stalker/cockblocker Tom - who deserved much more. I can't recall any equivalent violence against female characters, but I haven't played every possible path, either.

The strange thing is that violence in time loop stories is kind of common. Not sexual violence, but people getting hurt or even killed by the protagonist precisely because there are no consequences. Thinking back a ways to the Xena:Warrior Princess tv show, I still remember the scene where Xena is stuck in a time loop and hilariously just kills Joxur for some peace and quiet, and because she knew that it wasn't permanent. So you wouldn't think it would be that odd for sexual violence to occur in a sex game. Granted, the term "sexual violence" is a broad one, and many would say it already occurs in the game. And I don't want a truly violent sexual scene either, in the sense of physical damage. But if Ellie had not been able to stop the MC from having sex with her, or the MC had chosen to force his younger sister to have sex with him, while sexual violence and obviously rape, wouldn't need to be violent scenes on an absolute level. I realize making that distinction is probably pretty odd, although so too is the Devs drawing the line where they have so far. I kind of get the feeling they don't consider anything that happened to be actually be rape, while I don't kid myself about it or that I want things to be taken a little bit further. But not that far. But I'm sure there are people that would, so really I guess it comes down to a matter of taste and perversion where you say that a line has been crossed.

True, but the moral decisions taken by characters inside these games frequently defy our comprehension.

They so often do. Its frustrating to not be given the choices you want in a game, or to be given the illusion of choice but then have it be an empty promise. So often it's done so the developers don't have to worry about tracking different variables or writing and programming diverging story lines, or the actions would result in a game over for the story because of their severity. But a time loop story is the perfect vehicle for giving players more options, and then having them be meaningless for the outcome of the story. No one would remember what the MC did other than the MC, and they are shown to not really be the type to dwell on it too much.

 

[Pi Quantum]

But a time loop story is the perfect vehicle for giving players more options, and then having them be meaningless for the outcome of the story. No one would remember what the MC did other than the MC, and they are shown to not really be the type to dwell on it too much.

If we consider the consequences beyond the time loop, the MC's memories will influence his future actions, even when nobody else can remember them. This might also apply to some of the players controlling him, who have issues separating reality and fantasy.

A game like that could get very dark, very fast. What happens after the MC has raped every woman in town hundreds of times and needs something more extreme to excite him? Torturing Tom to death in thousands of different ways might be satisfying for the first few days, but the longer you did it, the more extreme and graphic you'd have to become to maintain that level of satisfaction - with predictable effects on your own mental stability. If the time loop ended, the MC would have to be incarcerated or killed for the safety of the public, as he'd be beyond redemption by that point.

Slapstick violence for comedic purposes is part of human nature, as well as pushing the limits of propriety because 'its only a game'. Go too far past those limits and you can open the door to some real horrors in human behaviour, which might be one reason why Inceton appear to have set theirs. If we end up killing Tom or his equivalent in future chapters, I'm sure they'll find a way to make it funny, without dwelling on the negative possibilities. Joxer was an irritating character most of the time, but he had his good points. Tom doesn't.

Agree that no game will ever satisfy everybody with the choices available for MC's, but these same strictures can inspire personalised fantasies from each player, letting them rewrite the basic structure of the plot to suit their own fetishes. If the game provides a decent foundation, well thought out characters and leaves lots of possibilities open, we all win.

 

[Corambis]

If we consider the consequences beyond the time loop, the MC's memories will influence his future actions, even when nobody else can remember them. This might also apply to some of the players controlling him, who have issues separating reality and fantasy.

A game like that could get very dark, very fast. What happens after the MC has raped every woman in town hundreds of times and needs something more extreme to excite him? Torturing Tom to death in thousands of different ways might be satisfying for the first few days, but the longer you did it, the more extreme and graphic you'd have to become to maintain that level of satisfaction - with predictable effects on your own mental stability. If the time loop ended, the MC would have to be incarcerated or killed for the safety of the public, as he'd be beyond redemption by that point.

Slapstick violence for comedic purposes is part of human nature, as well as pushing the limits of propriety because 'its only a game'. Go too far past those limits and you can open the door to some real horrors in human behaviour, which might be one reason why Inceton appear to have set theirs. If we end up killing Tom or his equivalent in future chapters, I'm sure they'll find a way to make it funny, without dwelling on the negative possibilities. Joxer was an irritating character most of the time, but he had his good points. Tom doesn't.

Agree that no game will ever satisfy everybody with the choices available for MC's, but these same strictures can inspire personalised fantasies from each player, letting them rewrite the basic structure of the plot to suit their own fetishes. If the game provides a decent foundation, well thought out characters and leaves lots of possibilities open, we all win.

Nothing really seems to influence the MC though. They haven't really changed. They're still fairly stupid and also just kind of an asshole in general. I'd personally like to see some kind of personal growth in them, but failing that I'd settle for decay. Especially if perhaps it led to a turnaround at some point. Bill Murray in Groundhog Day abused his power for the longest time. He didn't rape anyone (presumably) although he did basically trick that one woman into having sex with him. He tried the same thing on his main love interest, but it never worked and he never escaped the loop until there was that turnaround.

I'm also not advocating that the MC become a serial rapist and rape every woman he comes cross. Although... he is kind of a serial rapist already. But you know what I mean. What I'd love to see though is him being caught up in the moment, and having a quick internal debate of "I can't, because it's wrong" and maybe "I can't, because she's my family", and then the counterargument of "except this is all going to be erased at the end of the day, so fuck it". The MC really wouldn't sweat it after the fact any more than they've worried about any of their other, "lesser" sexual assaults. Unless of course the day doesn't reset, which again hasn't really factored into too many of their decisions. But as far as scenes go, I'd again reference the scene with Ellie at the party when you get the option to put it inside of her pussy. Except in this case she's unable to stop you after you start. I'd see the scene with the younger sister playing out similarly. The MC just keeps going when she says to stop, and is unable to stop him.

I'm fully conscious of how messed up some of this sounds, and probably how messed up I sound for arguing in favor of this. I personally couldn't do this in real life, but then again I couldn't some of the other stuff the MC has done. But I'm not the MC, and this is not real life. And I think having the choice to have scenes like those play out that way would appeal to a lot of people, and actually make for a more satisfying game overall. Anyone with a zero-tolerance for rape-y stuff should have been scared away by now, and the scenes should all be optional. That's how I'd do it at least.

 

[Corambis]

After talking about the game today, I remembered that I hadn't played the bonus scenes yet. So I played the duct tape one, because that's the one I remembered hearing the trigger for.

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[Pi Quantum]

Nothing really seems to influence the MC though. They haven't really changed. They're still fairly stupid and also just kind of an asshole in general. I'd personally like to see some kind of personal growth in them, but failing that I'd settle for decay.

It is frustrating to see this behaviour, because he's been in the loop for a long time and is still only looking for short term gratification. Its like watching a rat in a maze, running around trying to find the cheese. I felt the same way after almost completing every quest, but was still unable to progress until desperate Googling showed me the exact sequence of choices required to continue. The funny moments in this game are great, but the hellish repetition and need for better guidance really hurt at times.

I'm fully conscious of how messed up some of this sounds, and probably how messed up I sound for arguing in favor of this. I personally couldn't do this in real life, but then again I couldn't some of the other stuff the MC has done. But I'm not the MC, and this is not real life.

We're all perverts here, so we shouldn't be judging each other.

Options are great, because players that aren't into a particular kink can easily skip them, but they can mean a lot to players that are. I'm not sure how they'd introduce them for this scenario though, because the sex animations assume a willing partner, rather than one who's either fighting back or passively resisting. Aiming for simultaneous orgasms would no longer be an option and partners that are crying or screaming for help would rapidly attract unwelcome attention. Sex stories in this genre often rely on the magical power of the rapist's big dick, which sees the victim overwhelmed by pleasure and unable to resist its all conquering stimulation! Not even remotely realistic, but that's porn fiction for you.

I'd be more interested in seeing if the MC's personality changed as a result, assuming he felt guilt for his actions later and tried to make up for them, even if the victims had no memory of it. That might lead to the turnaround you mentioned, where he could either grow up Bill Murray style, or descend into darkness and a possible 'bad end'. That's just two possibilities, but I'm sure the devs can think of many more.

 

[Corambis]

It is frustrating to see this behaviour, because he's been in the loop for a long time and is still only looking for short term gratification. Its like watching a rat in a maze, running around trying to find the cheese. I felt the same way after almost completing every quest, but was still unable to progress until desperate Googling showed me the exact sequence of choices required to continue. The funny moments in this game are great, but the hellish repetition and need for better guidance really hurt at times.

There are indeed a lot of funny moments in this game. There's a lot of frustrating ones in it to. That's about on par with most other games I guess. To be clear, a lot of what I say can be applied to other games, although this game lends itself to "let's go the rape route a little more than some others due to the time loop storyline.

We're all perverts here, so we shouldn't be judging each other.

Options are great, because players that aren't into a particular kink can easily skip them, but they can mean a lot to players that are. I'm not sure how they'd introduce them for this scenario though, because the sex animations assume a willing partner, rather than one who's either fighting back or passively resisting. Aiming for simultaneous orgasms would no longer be an option and partners that are crying or screaming for help would rapidly attract unwelcome attention. Sex stories in this genre often rely on the magical power of the rapist's big dick, which sees the victim overwhelmed by pleasure and unable to resist its all conquering stimulation! Not even remotely realistic, but that's porn fiction for you.

I'd be more interested in seeing if the MC's personality changed as a result, assuming he felt guilt for his actions later and tried to make up for them, even if the victims had no memory of it. That might lead to the turnaround you mentioned, where he could either grow up Bill Murray style, or descend into darkness and a possible 'bad end'. That's just two possibilities, but I'm sure the devs can think of many more.

I've seen rape scenes re-used as sex scenes, although it isn't easy. I think they'd more likely have to just do a special rape scene. Again, I'm not talking about the MC going around raping everyone. These scenes would be continuations of other scenes where things seemed to be leading up to sex before the woman shot the MC down. There wouldn't be a non-rape version, because that particular scene wasn't meant to have a non-rape sex scene to it. I realize this would be more work for the devs, but I think it would be worth it. We're not talking about too many of this scenes. They spent an awful lot of time on that threesome with the MC, Megan, and Zoe that never resulted in any sex. It was good, but ultimately a tease. They could afford to take time away from stuff like that and give us a special scene like what I'm describing now and then. Maybe if you work the expressions right, or the angles, some or all of the scenes could be reused in the future. But many games today are riddled with scenes that many players will never see because they opted out of certain fetishes. NTR ones are the ones that come to mind, but there are also games with other optional fetishes. In general I think that's a bad idea, but I suspect you'd have most people checking out the optional scenes I'm describing at some point.

I would like the MC have to deal with what he did, even if his victim didn't remember it. Or what if he does go way too far, the timeline resets, but suddenly his victim is skittish around him, even if they don't know why themselves? Or of course there is the option that the timeline does not reset, and the MC has to live with the consequences of his actions. Or as I mentioned earlier, they suddenly find themselves having to figure out how this time loop works and see if they can reset things to the day before their crime. Not because he doesn't want to go to jail, but he realizes that he did something awful, and that it did have a lasting effect.

 

[HorttoKaalo]

I think either extreme could be fun to experience in the story, and given the time loop, both could easily be possible.

Except that they couldn't, and that's because of the business side of things. Inceton's main goal is to get EoL Season 2 to Steam after it's done and Steam won't accept any rape scenes or stuff like that. That's why EoL Season 1 didn't pass for Steam release, because there was too rapey scenes in it with main character basically raping Elizabeth multiple times in the living room while she was sleeping. They had to make changes to the Steam version of Summer with Mia too so they got it accepted there. Why would they make rape scenes just for Patreon version, and then have to redo those parts of the game later on so they can get it accepted to Steam when they can just make it right on the first try and save time, effort and money. So there is no raping and there won't be any raping in the future for Season 2.

 

[Corambis]

Except that they couldn't, and that's because of the business side of things. Inceton's main goal is to get EoL Season 2 to Steam after it's done and Steam won't accept any rape scenes or stuff like that. That's why EoL Season 1 didn't pass for Steam release, because there was too rapey scenes in it with main character basically raping Elizabeth multiple times in the living room while she was sleeping. They had to make changes to the Steam version of Summer with Mia too so they got it accepted there. Why would they make rape scenes just for Patreon version, and then have to redo those parts of the game later on so they can get it accepted to Steam when they can just make it right on the first try and save time, effort and money. So there is no raping and there won't be any raping in the future for Season 2.

There are already rape or at the very least rapey scenes in season 2. At least a lot of people would see them as such and Steam would too. The second season as it stands right now would never appear on Steam barring a lot of editing.

I do recall that Patreon bans rape content, although I'm not sure what their criteria is. As we've seen, their enforcement of their rules is spotty and seems more reactive based on when enough people complain loudly enough. Technically, this game shouldn't really fly on Patreon, but maybe the devs know how to keep the rapey stuff to an acceptable level for Patreon, and that's what is driving their choices here. I could see that as a reason for not pushing things further with their content.

 

[Dragon59]

I do suspect that some cases are when someone has reported a game to Patreon, then they do an in-depth investigation of content and discussions. It wouldn't be cost-effective to monitor everyone all the time, and I expect bots would have a difficult time with some of this.

 

[Sterkh90]

Haven't played since the first episode of the second season. Does the MC continue to commit idiotic actions?

 

[mordred93]

Haven't played since the first episode of the second season. Does the MC continue to commit idiotic actions?

You mean is the MC an 18 year old boy with raging hormones? Yep, it is literally the next day for him from Season 1.

 

[demude]

Guys, I need a little help here. I couldn't get all the scene for S1 and S2.

As what i attached as below, S1 total scene should be 27 exclude I forgot to blackmail Nicole the second time, what else that I miss? There is 1 more scene for Megan but how to get it? Hidden Event is also able to unlock 3 of 8. any way to get it?

While for S2, Total scene 22 i unlocked 20, the remain 2 fall under Zoe path, even I unlocked Zoe lust scene. But this scene actually shared with Megan if u choose to bring Megan along the ride. Cannot get both scene together.

 

[Pi Quantum]

Guys, I need a little help here. I couldn't get all the scene for S1 and S2.

I used the cheatmod to unlock the rest of the events, so I can only tell you the ones you're missing. You need:-

Megan: Barged in Megan's room
Nicole/Teacher: Blackmail 2

Hidden Events: Zoe masturbating, Spying on Megan, "No fucks given" Day 3, "No fucks given" Day 4 and "Perfect Day"

 

[Incest games fan]

Hidden events pls. Where mc can fuck all the girls in home. I really hates hidden events

 

[BOBJevent]

Hidden events pls. Where mc can fuck all the girls in home. I really hates hidden events

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[Dragon59]

Hidden events pls. Where mc can fuck all the girls in home. I really hates hidden events

If you hate them, why do you want them?

 

[Incest games fan]

If you hate them, why do you want them?

because they're hidden

 

[Mars88]

I unlocked all of Zoe's content but still 20/22? Why?

 

[HorttoKaalo]

I unlocked all of Zoe's content but still 20/22? Why?

Fail in the code.

 

[Mars88]

Fail in the code.

Thanks