Ren'Py Lust Theory [v0.9.0] [Inceton Games]

[rebellare]

And secondly...

Official Statement Regarding Inceton Games and F95
Inceton Games would like to formally address ongoing misinformation regarding our status on the F95 platform.

We confirm that Inceton Games is currently not operating on F95. However, this situation did not occur due to review-bombing or DRM implementation, or any attempt to restrict player access, as has been incorrectly claimed in some public discussions.

For the sake of full transparency, the actual reason for the conflict with F95 is as follows:




The Actual Cause of the Dispute
Inceton Games entered into direct communication with F95 administrators with two specific requests:

1. A short grace period (a few days) before new game updates were mirrored on F95, so that:
   
   • Paying supporters on Patreon would receive early access and value for their support
     
     
   • Development funding would remain viable
     
2. The ability to moderate the discussion threads for our own games, which:
   
   • Is a privilege granted to many other developers on F95
     
     
   • Is necessary to:
     
     • Remove impersonation
       
       
     • Prevent malicious misinformation
       
       
     • Maintain accurate patch notes and developer communication
       

These were standard, professional requests aimed at protecting paying supporters, maintaining project stability, and ensuring responsible community management.

F95’s Response
Both requests were formally denied by F95 administration.

Following this refusal, a breakdown in cooperation occurred. This is the sole and direct reason for the "conflict" between Inceton Games and F95.

The disagreement was purely policy-based and administrative in nature.


Final Position
The dispute with F95 exists because:

• We requested time-limited Patreon exclusivity
  
  
• We requested basic moderation control over our own official threads
  
  
• These requests were denied
  
  
• As a result, cooperation ceased

We are aware that this message might be deleted by the F95 administrators because sharing this is not in their interest.
No further comments will be made Inceton games.

 

[James-of-alabama]

The core reason how lancelot treats the people is financial,pure capitalism coming from people of ex socialist country.but seriously if LT 3 sell very well on steam who will take the credit.curious to know.

 

[matko2004]

The core reason how lancelot treats the people is financial,pure capitalism coming from people of ex socialist country.but seriously if LT 3 sell very well on steam who will take the credit.curious to know.

I love how that's your conclusion after reading all that.

 

[James-of-alabama]

I love how that's your conclusion after reading all that.

I just read conviction,not the other wall of text.the other was just babbling how embercat didnt synchronize with the rest of the team and made them lose time and resources

 

[CJAM2002]

Thanks for these official statements rebellare, it's good to see some official words from Inceton themselves.

I won't debate either of these, I've looked on the official Discord and it doesn't look like either of these statements are there yet, be curious to see what the reaction will be on the Discord server. That said, render limits is certainly something interesting to have in place, and might indeed be affecting writers ability to write a good story. Execution comes down to many people of course.

Regarding the conflict with f95. The reason their games are banned from being promoted is indeed because of rating manipulation of Lust Bound (it's why you can't post a proper review of that game), and quite possibly the DRM stuff. Although the rating manipulation was 100% a thing that happened, you can look back at around when that happened on the Lust Bound thread, and you can see the note from the moderators to ban Inceton from being promoted. That said, Inceton's requests are quite reasonable, and asking for a few days before the game is leaked is a fair call. Moderation can lead to many things, and can go either good or bad, we just don't know.

 

[James-of-alabama]

I remember well the cause of the games be banned from front Page was the review bombing of lust bound,only that.The day after, his games stopped to be promoted.In the past lancelot said to all people of f95zone go fuck themselves too.

 

[matko2004]

From what I read in the statement, the review bombing is not denied.
We confirm that Inceton Games is currently not operating on F95. However, this situation did not occur due to review-bombing

It just states that they refuse to be active on F95 because their requests were not met by F95 admins.

 

[James-of-alabama]

I just said about the games be banned from front page because review bombing,they stopped be active after they said to all f95zone go fuck themselves,prolly after the requests not be attended.

 

[Asukaki]

Well, this is a nice surprise. For a moment I forgot about this game until I saw it yesterday on my GOG library.
I must say, holy shit!. They really were able to fix the story and save the game (for the most part).

By how the story was going up to version 6 (last time I play it) I thought they would go with the "Alice is a villain and consciously or unconciously trapped the MC in the timeloop, When she noticed MC being conscious of the loop she thought of having an opportunity with him, but after seeing all his shennigans with other women, jelously got the best of her and schemed all the simulation-end of the world thing. Just to snap out of it (Perhaps with Carol's intervention, erasing her memory, making her forget her broken heart) and finally revealing herself (Or Carol hitting the reset button in the panic). Giving him an opportunity to fix his mess in hopes he redeem himself and thus saving the world from the broken heart of Alice?" or something along those lines but the whole Mother-Carol plot, even tho it kinda feel rushed, it works!.

I would say this has some potential for a 4th and final season (Alice feels betrayed by Carol's actions and develops some tools to help MC fix each girl life while she tries to deal with MC's past in the loop. This leads her to rediscover her sexuality and a new angle of interest for MC (more kinky). And something something with the butterfly effect, unexpected consequences each time they "fix" the life of a girl. everyone gets more involved and that leads to everyone being aware of time loops and the only solution is being aware of each other place in MC's Bed, a.k.a the Harem ending, oooh yeah! . Lmfao). But reading all the drama, Im good if this is the definitive end.

 

[dkatryl]

Well, obviously, im just a random dude on the internet chiming in on the whole Lancelot vs Embercat nonsense, and even after skimming over Lancelot's 'official' response, i dont know where the truth lies, although history shows it is often in the middle.

(Also seemed like some of the reasons were versions of explaining away 'Our original script/vision had massive issues, which is what led us to this mess, and Embercat didnt want to accept that.')

But *as* one of the aforementioned random dude on the internet, the only thing i care about is the finished product. And the finished product during Embercat's brief tenure was (subjectively) better than where it had been going.

Oh well, guess there's nothing left.to do other than wait to see if they stick the landing or bungle it at the very end.

 

[Embercat]

Hey everyone,

I've read the official statement about my termination that was released on F95. There's a lot here, and I could write a lengthy rebuttal to most of these complaints. At the same time, I do not want to be drawn into a dragged-on online dispute with Inceton and Lancelot.

Given Inceton's statement that it will not engage in public arguments (though doesn't their statement actually count as engaging?) I will make this my final say regarding my firing and the matter.

I am trying to move forward, focus on my career and next steps, and begin my own AVN writing venture so I can continue to work in the medium I so enjoy. It is a tricky position to be in, as I do not wish to let my work on LT or LB go undefended or to back away from accusations I believe are unfair. At the same time, I cannot let my future be defined by my choosing to die on a hill for a project that is now behind me.

The most succinct way to respond to this latest message is to compare it to the original one I received about my termination, which I posted here shortly after being let go.
While several of the complaints have been upheld between their new message and the one initially sent to me, a key aspect that has been dropped is the mention of Lancelot's distaste for the story I was writing and his feelings that:

I "made the game boring."

Whatever else has been brought forward as grounds for my termination, the simple fact remains that much of Lancelot's primary focus at the time of my firing was on my writing and story, which took up the lion's share of his message.

Much has already been discussed and written about his ending to the game and the decision to implement an 11th-hour 'bad ending' that relies on players having made correct decisions that were never previously implemented, and which I was not asked to write with a view toward at any point in the writing process. The reception of this new ending, I feel, can stand as evidence of my writing skills, understanding of the plot, dynamics, and characters compared to Lancelot's. To some degree, I feel any shade cast over my writing can be easily countered by examining the difference in quality between Lancelot's Balloon ending vs my own.

At the end of the day, the strongest proof I'll be able to present that my work, my drive, my vision, and my work ethic are better than portrayed in the message above is simply to get on with what I am now doing: working on my AVN as a solo dev, bringing my dreams and visions to life, and proving myself to those audiences and players who want to follow me and who appreciate my style. So that is what I intend to do.

This whole drama of the last few weeks has really threatened my love of AVNs. I've had to do a lot of touching grass (playing updates to other titles I enjoy and which I haven't had a chance to catch up on while working with the Inceton team) to help keep my enthusiasm for the genre alive, while taking my first steps in designing my own title.

Inceton has a game to finish, and I have mine to start. I have already begun work on scripting and am slowly learning 3d design and Daz3d with an online course. I have people helping me with Ren'Py coding and understanding that, and I'm excited for what the future holds.

Hopefully, this will be the end of it. Inceton has made their statements, I have made mine. Discussion can now shift back to the game and its endings, which, despite everything, I hope turn out well and lead to a satisfactory finale for the fans.

 

[HughMungusMan]

Well, obviously, im just a random dude on the internet chiming in on the whole Lancelot vs Embercat nonsense, and even after skimming over Lancelot's 'official' response, i dont know where the truth lies, although history shows it is often in the middle.

(Also seemed like some of the reasons were versions of explaining away 'Our original script/vision had massive issues, which is what led us to this mess, and Embercat didnt want to accept that.')

But *as* one of the aforementioned random dude on the internet, the only thing i care about is the finished product. And the finished product during Embercat's brief tenure was (subjectively) better than where it had been going.

Oh well, guess there's nothing left.to do other than wait to see if they stick the landing or bungle it at the very end.

There's hardly anything left for them to bungle to be fair. I'd be shocked if they somehow managed to fuck it up at the eleventh hour like that.

I mean, next week (and maybe the one after that if they can't cram it all in one crunch) is literally just the endings. So you'll either end up with Alice, or you'll end up with one or more of the other LIs and have your final sex scenes to close the game. Sure they can make those unsatisfying but the plot is pretty much resolved now.

 

[dkatryl]

There's hardly anything left for them to bungle to be fair. I'd be shocked if they somehow managed to fuck it up at the eleventh hour like that.

I mean, next week (and maybe the one after that if they can't cram it all in one crunch) is literally just the endings. So you'll either end up with Alice, or you'll end up with one or more of the other LIs and have your final sex scenes to close the game. Sure they can make those unsatisfying but the plot is pretty much resolved now.

You say that, but they added that inferior ending last update.

So in between smelling his own farts, and maybe adding in Lust Time with each and every LI ending, there are plenty of ways to create a very unsatisfying ending!

Defeat out of the jaws of victory! Lol

 

[dkatryl]

Hey everyone,

I've read the official statement about my termination that was released on F95. There's a lot here, and I could write a lengthy rebuttal to most of these complaints. At the same time, I do not want to be drawn into a dragged-on online dispute with Inceton and Lancelot.

Given Inceton's statement that it will not engage in public arguments (though doesn't their statement actually count as engaging?) I will make this my final say regarding my firing and the matter.

I am trying to move forward, focus on my career and next steps, and begin my own AVN writing venture so I can continue to work in the medium I so enjoy. It is a tricky position to be in, as I do not wish to let my work on LT or LB go undefended or to back away from accusations I believe are unfair. At the same time, I cannot let my future be defined by my choosing to die on a hill for a project that is now behind me.

The most succinct way to respond to this latest message is to compare it to the original one I received about my termination, which I posted here shortly after being let go.
While several of the complaints have been upheld between their new message and the one initially sent to me, a key aspect that has been dropped is the mention of Lancelot's distaste for the story I was writing and his feelings that:

I "made the game boring."

Whatever else has been brought forward as grounds for my termination, the simple fact remains that much of Lancelot's primary focus at the time of my firing was on my writing and story, which took up the lion's share of his message.

Much has already been discussed and written about his ending to the game and the decision to implement an 11th-hour 'bad ending' that relies on players having made correct decisions that were never previously implemented, and which I was not asked to write with a view toward at any point in the writing process. The reception of this new ending, I feel, can stand as evidence of my writing skills, understanding of the plot, dynamics, and characters compared to Lancelot's. To some degree, I feel any shade cast over my writing can be easily countered by examining the difference in quality between Lancelot's Balloon ending vs my own.

At the end of the day, the strongest proof I'll be able to present that my work, my drive, my vision, and my work ethic are better than portrayed in the message above is simply to get on with what I am now doing: working on my AVN as a solo dev, bringing my dreams and visions to life, and proving myself to those audiences and players who want to follow me and who appreciate my style. So that is what I intend to do.

This whole drama of the last few weeks has really threatened my love of AVNs. I've had to do a lot of touching grass (playing updates to other titles I enjoy and which I haven't had a chance to catch up on while working with the Inceton team) to help keep my enthusiasm for the genre alive, while taking my first steps in designing my own title.

Inceton has a game to finish, and I have mine to start. I have already begun work on scripting and am slowly learning 3d design and Daz3d with an online course. I have people helping me with Ren'Py coding and understanding that, and I'm excited for what the future holds.

Hopefully, this will be the end of it. Inceton has made their statements, I have made mine. Discussion can now shift back to the game and its endings, which, despite everything, I hope turn out well and lead to a satisfactory finale for the fans.

Eh, that is probably the more wise and mature approach for you, to be honest.

...

Fortunately, the rest of us are free to be as immature as we want and can keep talking shit!

Cuz Fuck Lust Time!

 

[Brellium]

Hey everyone,

I've read the official statement about my termination that was released on F95. There's a lot here, and I could write a lengthy rebuttal to most of these complaints. At the same time, I do not want to be drawn into a dragged-on online dispute with Inceton and Lancelot.

Given Inceton's statement that it will not engage in public arguments (though doesn't their statement actually count as engaging?) I will make this my final say regarding my firing and the matter.

I am trying to move forward, focus on my career and next steps, and begin my own AVN writing venture so I can continue to work in the medium I so enjoy. It is a tricky position to be in, as I do not wish to let my work on LT or LB go undefended or to back away from accusations I believe are unfair. At the same time, I cannot let my future be defined by my choosing to die on a hill for a project that is now behind me.

The most succinct way to respond to this latest message is to compare it to the original one I received about my termination, which I posted here shortly after being let go.
While several of the complaints have been upheld between their new message and the one initially sent to me, a key aspect that has been dropped is the mention of Lancelot's distaste for the story I was writing and his feelings that:

I "made the game boring."

Whatever else has been brought forward as grounds for my termination, the simple fact remains that much of Lancelot's primary focus at the time of my firing was on my writing and story, which took up the lion's share of his message.

Much has already been discussed and written about his ending to the game and the decision to implement an 11th-hour 'bad ending' that relies on players having made correct decisions that were never previously implemented, and which I was not asked to write with a view toward at any point in the writing process. The reception of this new ending, I feel, can stand as evidence of my writing skills, understanding of the plot, dynamics, and characters compared to Lancelot's. To some degree, I feel any shade cast over my writing can be easily countered by examining the difference in quality between Lancelot's Balloon ending vs my own.

At the end of the day, the strongest proof I'll be able to present that my work, my drive, my vision, and my work ethic are better than portrayed in the message above is simply to get on with what I am now doing: working on my AVN as a solo dev, bringing my dreams and visions to life, and proving myself to those audiences and players who want to follow me and who appreciate my style. So that is what I intend to do.

This whole drama of the last few weeks has really threatened my love of AVNs. I've had to do a lot of touching grass (playing updates to other titles I enjoy and which I haven't had a chance to catch up on while working with the Inceton team) to help keep my enthusiasm for the genre alive, while taking my first steps in designing my own title.

Inceton has a game to finish, and I have mine to start. I have already begun work on scripting and am slowly learning 3d design and Daz3d with an online course. I have people helping me with Ren'Py coding and understanding that, and I'm excited for what the future holds.

Hopefully, this will be the end of it. Inceton has made their statements, I have made mine. Discussion can now shift back to the game and its endings, which, despite everything, I hope turn out well and lead to a satisfactory finale for the fans.

I will wait in anticipation for what works you produce, because quite frankly your part of Lust Theory was the best so far. Ruining the fun Inceton and lost the plot Lancelot can go fuck themselves

 

[duckydoodoo]

i had zero opinions about all that bullshit, til the corporate speak op ed posted. seriously, they shoulda just said, let em go due to creative differences, like normal people. no one absent of fault would post all that legal jargon on a pirate site. and no sane person who did would expect pervs to give a fuck if in articles of your mothers panty drawer, sub section fuckoff, dash the guy who gave your wife herpes was let go.

yeah i know, none of that made sense. just word vomit. but without pretention

 

[dkatryl]

i had zero opinions about all that bullshit, til the corporate speak op ed posted. seriously, they shoulda just said, let em go due to creative differences, like normal people. no one absent of fault would post all that legal jargon on a pirate site. and no sane person who did would expect pervs to give a fuck if in articles of your mothers panty drawer, sub section fuckoff, dash the guy who gave your wife herpes was let go.

yeah i know, none of that made sense. just word vomit. but without pretention

Naw man, the court of public opinion is vital on a pirate site!

Not, ya know, who wrote the better story.

 

[grey_shadow]

i had zero opinions about all that bullshit, til the corporate speak op ed posted. seriously, they shoulda just said, let em go due to creative differences, like normal people. no one absent of fault would post all that legal jargon on a pirate site. and no sane person who did would expect pervs to give a fuck if in articles of your mothers panty drawer, sub section fuckoff, dash the guy who gave your wife herpes was let go.

yeah i know, none of that made sense. just word vomit. but without pretention

My reading of their statement is "he was difficult to work with, and we have receipts".

It is plausible that Embercat was difficult to work with - a lot of their complaints are consistent with his being too enthusiastic, and so sending things off before they're properly polished or fully sorted out, leading to revisions and follow-ups being sent, or coming up with ideas that push the format, and engaging people to find out if/how they're possible.

When you have someone brimming with enthusiasm, it is often great for the quality of the eventual art, but terrible for smooth production pipelines, project management, and meeting deadlines. It's not unreasonable for someone focused on the business (and on keeping a roof over the heads of and food on the plates of their employees) to decide that keeping a business running smoothly is more important than creating better art.

On the other hand, the timing smells a little - it seems clear that, while Inceton did get an ending from Embercat, they are including additional endings that they're coming up with in other ways, and it's hard to imagine that writing entire endings themselves is going to be less time and effort than just waiting a couple more weeks to get Embercat's endings and then firing him. Either something specific happened to trigger the decision, or there are contractual shenanigans in play - like having to pay a bonus if Embercat finished the game, or having some specific time-limit where the corporate side of things becomes less favourable - which adjusted the timing of the decision.

 

[demonking69:(]

is the game completed??

 

[Viz117]

Just played season 3 for the first time. Holy shit, Inceton has leveled up their writing. Megan's path is top tier. Megan simps, we are blessed this fine day, and I will get my happy ending. (Not that the MC deserves it, but I do )

The bonus scenario with her was also a lovely alternate ending.