Ren'Py Lustful Desires [v0.74.1] [Hyao]

[GoldenStag]

the door there says : "
The entrance to a cavern was closeby. It had to be the real den, the place where most
of the wolves and werewolves lived. As you should have expected they weren't going to
let you enter. There was no way for you to deal with such a danger, so you turned back
while you still could. No reason for you to keep going forward.
"
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so how to i actually go there?? or maybe go to the swamp? to see black wolf/beta

As I said, you need to have completed the "Troubles in the Den" event with normal Logan. Do you have bottom!Logan on your save? Because his bottom route will lock you out of this area and you won't be able to start the Black Wolf event.

 

[Uu4]

As I said, you need to have completed the "Troubles in the Den" event with normal Logan. Do you have bottom!Logan on your save? Because his bottom route will lock you out of this area and you won't be able to start the Black Wolf event.

well that's dumb

 

[Uu4]

Honestly it's better if you just drop the game (like I did) than wait for this to change since it's been a long time that the content is unbalanced and heavly punishing for top/dom players, the likes and dislikes system is just broken, and I don't think this will ever change.

Exactly, that's why I play Tavern of Spear instead, because at least it's much more balance

 

[nackedsnake]

Yeah, but what I meant is this, when you want to be top, the position that you mark yourself as, you would only find very few NPCs that you can fuck, or only the enemy you can fuck, while most of the characters are top, which is unbalance, and become a problem, because one of them, aka BLogan won't allow you watch the rest of the stories, because you would also be locked out, as you can only get access, by going Top Logan route, which I don't want to, because I want to stay top.

For example, once you have BLogan, you can't even have a date with him, Maul, you can't fight him and teach him a lesson.

The only moment you can do that, is with Roth and Gunnar, where you can fight back. Because, you can't tell me, that I shouldn't say that, when the game would even punish the player heavily if the game can't seen to stop punishing the player heavily with dislikes, if they ever tried to make a move to be top.

Because at this point, this just reminds me why I would mostly play tavern of spear, than lustful desire, because at least it doesn't punish the player too much. All NPCs don't need to be player-sexual for every player. But when you can see that the game is focusing at one side of the audience and not the others, then yeah, this would raise complaints, like the lack of characters that are big bottom, and I meant truly big bottom

You are shouting at the cloud man.

This game has a MC Bottom bias since day 1, even tho not very overt like many others,
and it will stay that way, no matter how many Top MC contents will be added.

If you think this Game "SHOULD" be the way you want it to be, why not make a game yourself?
In fact, No game will ever be exactly what you want, unless you are the one making it.
If you can't, angriling ranting won't change anything.
This game will NEVER be the one you want.

 

[Maywrote]

Honestly it's better if you just drop the game (like I did) than wait for this to change since it's been a long time that the content is unbalanced and heavly punishing for top/dom players, the likes and dislikes system is just broken, and I don't think this will ever change.

Honestly agree, you're better off playing a game you know has the content you enjoy than waiting for another that pretends to give players choices when they're actually just bricks for your save if you want to progress on any quest-lines. Doesn't help that the "argument" against wanting top player content is always "hurr im a bottom and i like it so there is no issue", and it's not even exclusive to this game, like these people have never heard of different tastes.

 

[Kessel Gilmore]

The game is definitely biased when it comes to sexual roles and even gender. Since the very beginning when the game came out you could tell Hyao's preferred POV was submissive male bottom. Most guest writers also are inclined to write this way. Even when playing as a female character and having a vagina you can see the game prioritizes anal sex and it's almost exactly as the bottom male dialogue. Plus many of Hyao's Patreons prefer bottom content. And it's really common with this type of games where romanceable characters are super masculine. They will give you the option to top but art and dialogue will always be better as a bottom.

The like and dislike system also plays against top players because many characters have this super macho man attitude and alpha male personality, obviously someone this dominant wouldn't bottom, and if they do they will not be happy about it because is more ''masculine'' giving dick than taking it. Sabal, Arion, any of the orc characters, the bandits and mercenaries, the lizards, the dwarfs, the soldiers, the werewolves, they all come from tribes, groups or spaces where you need to be strong and dominant so they will present themselves with big dick energy by default. While bottom characters don't present themselves like that. Scrap is the only wererat in the whole Junkyard that doesn't think about sex 24/7, Tao comes from a tribe of peaceful scholars, Everett hides that he's a bottom and you need to catch him first while Booner is fucking him to unlock more dialogue about it, even BLogan needs to get gangraped by bandits to break that 'tough guy' personality. Also look at the male/female character ratio.

I have played as a top, a bottom, a woman and the faithful Logan route, now I only have bottom. If you top enemies they hate you, if you defeat them in battle by just fighting without seducing them they hate you, playing as a female character is basically the exact same as a bottom except one or two characters will be more inclined to fuck you but you would't be able to top anyone ever. And the fact that the game has so many story branches doesn't help much either.

Edit. Forgot to mention that guest characters also tent to be tops in their original games so they will most likely mantain their role.

 

[MelonHeart]

How's this game been going? I haven't touch it for over a year or two ever since I suddenly notice that Zoroj wasn't present for the past several years since. it also didn't help that there wasn't any clarification from Hyao either.

what's new has it been added?

 

[Sant3224]

How's this game been going? I haven't touch it for over a year or two ever since I suddenly notice that Zoroj wasn't present for the past several years since. it also didn't help that there wasn't any clarification from Hyao either.

what's new has it been added?

Hyao is mostly adding Main Story content, so 95% of the time is not lewd content. Other contributors like Virile are focusing on the lewd part of the updates. Artists like StanG and Narram are helping in filling the emptiness that Zoroj left (I don't know the reason why he left), by illustrating some npcs and itens.

So far, we have new content for Barrel and Caleb, a new Orc called Maul who is a dommy bastard, Everett got a new lewd scene with the MC and a new scene with the Rhot, which was supposed to have a continuation but until now, nothing. That's all I can remember.

 

[MingeMaster]

So far, we have new content for Barrel and Caleb, a new Orc called Maul who is a dommy bastard, Everett got a new lewd scene with the MC and a new scene with the Rhot, which was supposed to have a continuation but until now, nothing. That's all I can remember.

Off the top of my head, there's also a lot of the Black Wolf stuff that's been continued (which also "previews" a new character), and is seemingly close to at least somewhat of a conclusion for the quest line.

 

[Kessel Gilmore]

Off the top of my head, there's also a lot of the Black Wolf stuff that's been continued (which also "previews" a new character), and is seemingly close to at least somewhat of a conclusion for the quest line.

I don't know how much more they're gonna stretch the Black Wolf stuff. We know where he is, we basically know what we most do to save him. All should be wrapped up by the next two updates, and I'm being generous.

 

[Sant3224]

I don't know how much more they're gonna stretch the Black Wolf stuff. We know where he is, we basically know what we most do to save him. All should be wrapped up by the next two updates, and I'm being generous.

Tbh I'm tired too, like "mmm'kay what am I supposed to do with that backstory?"

 

[Kessel Gilmore]

Tbh I'm tired too, like "mmm'kay what am I supposed to do with that backstory?"

Seriously. Spoiler Alert

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It's not rocket science.

 

[Frenzyyy]

Black wolf (Beta) has something to do with Everett cause in Stan's stream yesterday, he shows the uncropped version of Everett in Armour, which is a part of incoming Update, he's doing a CG involves Beta fucking Everett.

We getting CG in every update, I learned that Stan insist of adding at least One CG per update to hyao. He takes the initiative, he did not demand hyao to pay for the artwork, in fact he's doing it for free. But hyao insisting of paying for it. So Stan just gave him fair prices. (If hyao couldn't afford it since he couldn't accept the CG for free.) He also said that he was invested in the game and likes to create more CG in the future, fill the void when the last artist left.

One in plans (CG in future) is the 2 Scene of BLogan X Ste depending what you choose to peak in Ste's bedroom. )

 

[MingeMaster]

Tbh I'm tired too, like "mmm'kay what am I supposed to do with that backstory?"

Yeah lol, I really love the Black Wolf stuff, and I get that a little literary edging (so to speak) can make the conclusion all the sweeter, but at this point I do feel like it's starting to drag and I really hope we can finally just cure him and actually meet him for real in the next patch.

 

[nackedsnake]

The game is definitely biased when it comes to sexual roles and even gender. Since the very beginning when the game came out you could tell Hyao's preferred POV was submissive male bottom. Most guest writers also are inclined to write this way. Even when playing as a female character and having a vagina you can see the game prioritizes anal sex and it's almost exactly as the bottom male dialogue. Plus many of Hyao's Patreons prefer bottom content. And it's really common with this type of games where romanceable characters are super masculine. They will give you the option to top but art and dialogue will always be better as a bottom.

The like and dislike system also plays against top players because many characters have this super macho man attitude and alpha male personality, obviously someone this dominant wouldn't bottom, and if they do they will not be happy about it because is more ''masculine'' giving dick than taking it. Sabal, Arion, any of the orc characters, the bandits and mercenaries, the lizards, the dwarfs, the soldiers, the werewolves, they all come from tribes, groups or spaces where you need to be strong and dominant so they will present themselves with big dick energy by default. While bottom characters don't present themselves like that. Scrap is the only wererat in the whole Junkyard that doesn't think about sex 24/7, Tao comes from a tribe of peaceful scholars, Everett hides that he's a bottom and you need to catch him first while Booner is fucking him to unlock more dialogue about it, even BLogan needs to get gangraped by bandits to break that 'tough guy' personality. Also look at the male/female character ratio.

I have played as a top, a bottom, a woman and the faithful Logan route, now I only have bottom. If you top enemies they hate you, if you defeat them in battle by just fighting without seducing them they hate you, playing as a female character is basically the exact same as a bottom except one or two characters will be more inclined to fuck you but you would't be able to top anyone ever. And the fact that the game has so many story branches doesn't help much either.

Edit. Forgot to mention that guest characters also tent to be tops in their original games so they will most likely mantain their role.

Female is never the focus, It's like an afterthought as the Bottom MC bias very convenient for addin' a female MC.
But The Hero (Top) / Slut (Bottom) fame system falls off very quick, and it really feels stupid at this point.

In a perfect world,
If you Play Hero (Top), you beat shit out of enemies, and choose to fuck whomever you want whenever you like. (This is likely what the other "Strictly Top player" wish to happen)
If you are faithful Logan, you should have more Logan in your life.
Only when you play Slut (Bottom), NPCs start to take initiatives.
(Not sure about female tho since LD is a male focused game after-all).

BUT the fact is, you are gutter yourself of loads of contents if you are not playing a bottom MC.
Even when there's rare Top MC elusive, you can just drink a top potion to see the scenes, without changing any dynamics at all.

Unfortunately, this is Never (and will Not become) that game.
And IMO it already has way better meaningful variety than most other games. Many NPCs hv rich characters, dynamic personalities, interesting interactions, and many are not player-sexual / or just another cookie-cutter sex machine.
(Not sure where's your "Many hv super macho man attitude and alpha male personality" comes from, there's literally only a few)

 

[nackedsnake]

Black wolf (Beta) has something to do with Everett cause in Stan's stream yesterday, he shows the uncropped version of Everett in Armour, which is a part of incoming Update, he's doing a CG involves Beta fucking Everett.

We getting CG in every update, I learned that Stan insist of adding at least One CG per update to hyao. He takes the initiative, he did not demand hyao to pay for the artwork, in fact he's doing it for free. But hyao insisting of paying for it. So Stan just gave him fair prices. (If hyao couldn't afford it since he couldn't accept the CG for free.) He also said that he was invested in the game and likes to create more CG in the future, fill the void when the last artist left.

One in plans (CG in future) is the 2 Scene of BLogan X Ste depending what you choose to peak in Ste's bedroom. )

IIRC someone said StanG doen't stay in one project for long?
But from what you said, feels like StanG wish to be something more long term?
Wonder if this is what the early days when Hyao and ZoroJ working together be like.

At any rate, Glad StanG is working as part of the team, instead of just a commission artist (it never works well for non-gacha games).
Well, enjoy while it last and when over be glad it happened.

 

[Frenzyyy]

IIRC someone said StanG doen't stay in one project for long?
But from what you said, feels like StanG wish to be something more long term?
Wonder if this is what the early days when Hyao and ZoroJ working together be like.

At any rate, Glad StanG is working as part of the team, instead of just a commission artist (it never works well for non-gacha games).
Well, enjoy while it last and when over be glad it happened.

Rest assured I already ask him about that and here's some proof. And Glad he's stepping in to become as artist for the game.

Hope this satisfied your curiousity

 

[Uu4]

You are shouting at the cloud man.

This game has a MC Bottom bias since day 1, even tho not very overt like many others,
and it will stay that way, no matter how many Top MC contents will be added.

If you think this Game "SHOULD" be the way you want it to be, why not make a game yourself?
In fact, No game will ever be exactly what you want, unless you are the one making it.
If you can't, angriling ranting won't change anything.
This game will NEVER be the one you want.

Okay, but then that just raise question, like why didi the game have to add role, if it meant nothing, I'm not even fighting or demanding it

 

[Onlypasserbywatcher]

Okay, but then that just raise question, like why didi the game have to add role, if it meant nothing, I'm not even fighting or demanding it

to choose a route and stick to that route maybe, altough a lot of foes dont have a sexscene based on the role at winning them

 

[Frenzyyy]

Modern kind of Look Art of Everett and Logan by StanG

Ps. It's not part of the game.