Ren'Py Lustful Desires [v0.83.0 G] [Hyao]

[bchurklo]

Not hanging around here for the last few months so idk what's going on. But can anyone tell me why ZoroJ didn't draw LD character's sprites anymore? I miss his art, Naram's is fine ig, but it didn't give me as much impact as ZoroJ's.

ZoroJ is having personal issues and is generally just less active, I think? He deleted his social media a while ago, his Patreon updates have become more infrequent, and it doesn't help that he caught Covid a while ago. But yeah, personal issues are the problem. There doesn't seem to have been any falling out between ZoroJ and Hyao.

 

[ngodolac]

ZoroJ is having personal issues and is generally just less active, I think? He deleted his social media a while ago, his Patreon updates have become more infrequent, and it doesn't help that he caught Covid a while ago. But yeah, personal issues are the problem. There doesn't seem to have been any falling out between ZoroJ and Hyao.

Thanks. Hope he recovers and comes back to us soon. also hope he redraws some of the characters Naram made. I like Naram's art but some of his works look off to me, especially Torben

 

[Polarthief]

Not hanging around here for the last few months so idk what's going on. But can anyone tell me why ZoroJ didn't draw LD character's sprites anymore? I miss his art, Naram's is fine ig, but it didn't give me as much impact as ZoroJ's.

ZoroJ is having personal issues and is generally just less active, I think? He deleted his social media a while ago, his Patreon updates have become more infrequent, and it doesn't help that he caught Covid a while ago. But yeah, personal issues are the problem. There doesn't seem to have been any falling out between ZoroJ and Hyao.

While I'm sure those are the reasons, it's also a slight point against him that he doesn't draw ferals, and until Narram, we've had silhouettes for enemies that have been in the game since near-release(?).

That said, he still has his "appreciation thread" on the Discord, so it's entirely possible he's not going anywhere, just has been out of commission as of late.

 

[ppadjake]

While I'm sure those are the reasons, it's also a slight point against him that he doesn't draw ferals, and until Narram, we've had silhouettes for enemies that have been in the game since near-release(?).

That said, he still has his "appreciation thread" on the Discord, so it's entirely possible he's not going anywhere, just has been out of commission as of late.

You mean the thread that's only for spamming emoji?

LMAO

 

[HornypasserbyX]

Oh. I thought narrams art was ugly this corner of degeneration on another level

 

[fat_fingers_ma_gee]

You mean the thread that's only for spamming emoji?

LMAO
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I was wondering why he needed one, I thought they did it to cheer him up? Its what I got from it..

 

[Polarthief]

You mean the thread that's only for spamming emoji?

LMAO

If there was a falling out between them/Hyao fired or stopped commissioning him/etc., the thread wouldn't be there. What the thread is used for is irrelevant, as the fact that it simply continues to exist is what's important here.

 

[nackedsnake]

I was wondering why he needed one, I thought they did it to cheer him up? Its what I got from it..

Given everyone is saying he's hving personal issues and all the head pets I'm with you.

The reality is whatever the issue, ZoroJ won't return - at least for the time being.
People should made peace with alternatives if they wish to see continuation.

The problem is not using different artist, it's Narram didn't handle it proper.
Just go to E621 browse randomly, how many bizarre drawings you'll see as mood killer as Narram's recently addition?

And That's why you don't dig too many rabbit holes in your game. So that when this kind of thing happens, you don't need to worry about keeping arts' consistency.

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Even Fan arts does a better job to setting up the horny mood...

 

[nackedsnake]

That reminds me, if ZoroJ and the server does has this tendency,

but only nonsensical topics and sharing their private fuckup lives in the Patreon-only room,

Here's a Popular Copy/Pasta among Discord Servers:

"Please don't publicly discussing Depression, self-harm, suicide topics.
Everyone has difficulties that we face in our lives, but please do not utilize the chats as a vent area.
This is for the safety of others who may also be in a mentally or emotionally compromised state of mind,
as well as for yours since we are not mental health professionals who can ensure you're getting the proper support.
Resources are listed and available at

You must be registered to see the links

"

Maybe that server could also use one?
ppadjake, fat_fingers_ma_gee, Polarthief

 

[ppadjake]

That reminds me, if ZoroJ and the server does has this tendency,
Maybe that server could also use one?
ppadjake, fat_fingers_ma_gee, Polarthief

nah. it's not that bad. They are conversing like friends. to friends. they were friends. maybe. The thing is they don't care about their game is getting worse, that's why I said that they talking nonsense, sometimes about their life. So I'm out. I don't wanna be an instant friend on the internet and share about my life for no reason. that is not why I'm here or there. but it's just only my opinion. If someone there just wants to make a friend or just wants someone to talk to. it's their life. let's go. I don't care. it's not my life. my friend has depression too, so I know how to handle it. I wouldn't let them do it if they were my friend.

I hope someone there has the courage to speak up that the game is going down.

 

[Polarthief]

Even Fan arts do a better job....

...why are you talking about Narram when Barrel is a ZoroJ-drawn character?


Also Hyao just made a post basically regarding how there's been a lot of feedback. I'm absolutely paraphrasing here, but it boils down to:
"You can absolutely be constructive with feedback, but don't be an asshole or it can kill peoples' eagerness to work on projects like this."
^ Which is what I literally said just days ago. He's also asking for people to stop comparing the two artists, and also mentioned that ZoroJ wasn't replaced, simply that he's busy with his own life. He also calls to people that they should stop (monetarily) supporting him if they think his "best isn't good enough for them".

I'm only sharing this because I don't want people to break Hyao down and cause him to just say fuck the whole thing. I'd rather have what people consider "the game has gone bad" to no game at all. If you guys didn't care about the game at all, you wouldn't be acting like this in the first place, you'd just move on to stuff you do care about.

The takeaway here is that Hyao has clearly heard a lot about this update and that's a good thing. Whether this affects future updates or not is what we shall see, but again, just don't be an asshole to the guy or Narram, because that's not how you get what you want (unless you want the game to be abandoned, then I guess keep doing that).

 

[nackedsnake]

...why are you talking about Narram when Barrel is a ZoroJ-drawn character?


Also Hyao just made a post basically regarding how there's been a lot of feedback. I'm absolutely paraphrasing here, but it boils down to:
"You can absolutely be constructive with feedback, but don't be an asshole or it can kill peoples' eagerness to work on projects like this."
^ Which is what I literally said just days ago. He's also asking for people to stop comparing the two artists, and also mentioned that ZoroJ wasn't replaced, simply that he's busy with his own life. He also calls to people that they should stop (monetarily) supporting him if they think his "best isn't good enough for them".

I'm only sharing this because I don't want people to break Hyao down and cause him to just say fuck the whole thing. I'd rather have what people consider "the game has gone bad" to no game at all. If you guys didn't care about the game at all, you wouldn't be acting like this in the first place, you'd just move on to stuff you do care about.

The takeaway here is that Hyao has clearly heard a lot about this update and that's a good thing. Whether this affects future updates or not is what we shall see, but again, just don't be an asshole to the guy or Narram, because that's not how you get what you want (unless you want the game to be abandoned, then I guess keep doing that).

Edit: I said I'm stopping, so I'll just edit here Polarthief

• I agree there are better ways to say things ("constructively" or not, as it can be a very subjective term).
  • And I did use some strong words towards Narram's works which could be phrased better
• Nobody wants to hear negativity / denial. But again, "It's the internet, random people say random things. " You need to deal with it. People are upset for a reason.
• "Free" Doesn't make you immune to criticise. Using it as an argument point is really laughable
  • Like all of your posts can be summarised into 2 points,
    • it's non-constructive
    • It's free, so stop talking about it
  • and you just keeping repeating them, again, again and again
• Hyao can also handle the matters better, like:
  • Be upfront what's difficulty he's facing;
  • Don't make statement that invites further blasting
• I though Narram is a professional artist, if he's still fairly new and need additional care, Hyao should also mention it
• People get upset all the time, like many are still can't get past Extracurricular Activities' artist changing (Man the New MC is really "Not Service-able"), but that doesn't hinder it's development

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• I was talking about arts that "setting up the horny mood" if you failed to read the context;
• It's the internet, random people say random things. The dev's shouldn't be affected just cuz some strangers said something negative - Unless it has malicious intent.
  • Especially when those random people are not wrong;
• If the devs are so fragile that need to be put into a glass castle and only honey talking, there's definitely something wrong ongoing;
• After the statement you mention, who would still want to give constructive critiques?
  • It's basically "OK We know it's bad, don't you dare talk about it or we'll just quit"

But this is really getting old. I'll totally stop here.
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[Polarthief]

I was talking about arts that "setting up the horny mood" if you failed to read the context;

Ah okay, my bad.

It's the internet, random people say random things. The dev's shouldn't be affected just cuz some strangers said something negative - Unless it has malicious intent.

• Especially when those random people are not wrong;

Saying stuff like "Hyao is cheap for hiring another artist over ZoroJ", which is not only blatantly false on two fronts, it's just rude, or saying how "Narram's art is shit", is not in any way constructive or useful.

Asking what's going on with ZoroJ or pointing out how some things are incorrect (not "shit") with the art (e.g., the boar having a bat nose) is constructive.

If the devs are so fragile that need to be put into a glass castle and only honey talking, there's definitely something wrong ongoing;

There's a difference between needing a safe space because you're a precious snowflake and people blasting you (non-constructively) for your project when it's literally free to play.

After the statement you mention, who would still want to give constructive critiques?

• It's basically "OK We know it's bad, don't you dare talk about it or we'll just quit"

The post didn't explicitly state the quality of Narram's art, just that there were comparisons to ZoroJ and asking if ZoroJ's gone for good. From the sounds of it, very little was constructive and a lot was demands for ZoroJ and/or saying Narram's art is bad ("X is bad" != constructive).

 

[KuraDKuruta]

The only problem I have with Narram is his inconsistency with the quality of his arts. Dude gotta stop trying to mimic ZoroJ's style/color palette and using his own because his art is really good imo. It's a shame.

 

[Zorrscha]

Ah okay, my bad.



Saying stuff like "Hyao is cheap for hiring another artist over ZoroJ", which is not only blatantly false on two fronts, it's just rude, or saying how "Narram's art is shit", is not in any way constructive or useful.

Asking what's going on with ZoroJ or pointing out how some things are incorrect (not "shit") with the art (e.g., the boar having a bat nose) is constructive.



There's a difference between needing a safe space because you're a precious snowflake and people blasting you (non-constructively) for your project when it's literally free to play.



The post didn't explicitly state the quality of Narram's art, just that there were comparisons to ZoroJ and asking if ZoroJ's gone for good. From the sounds of it, very little was constructive and a lot was demands for ZoroJ and/or saying Narram's art is bad ("X is bad" != constructive).

Hyao as a content creator should be able to handle criticism but you're talking like they are actually here. Narram is just downgrade when compared to ZoroJ and it's a bit silly to not expect people to talk out about it, especially for the people who have stuck with Hyao/ZoroJ since the start. There was better choices to be made in terms of direction such as focusing on existing characters THAT wouldn't have required a new artist and probably would of made lots of people more happy as we have been waiting for the main story for ages.

 

[nitobe-san]

Hyao as a content creator should be able to handle criticism but you're talking like they are actually here. Narram is just downgrade when compared to ZoroJ and it's a bit silly to not expect people to talk out about it, especially for the people who have stuck with Hyao/ZoroJ since the start. There was better choices to be made in terms of direction such as focusing on existing characters THAT wouldn't have required a new artist and probably would of made lots of people more happy as we have been waiting for the main story for ages.

Creators lurk around this site a lot. I wouldn't be surprised if Hyao or Narram themselves have read what you post. I wouldn't be surprised if other people have screenshotted stuff here and sent it to the creators through discord. Hell, I remember that happening in the morenatsu fan translation forums with screenshots posted on 4chan.

But of course, Hyao has the discretion to take our unsolicited criticism since we're not paying for his work. There's probably some people here who are patreon supporters who come here to complain because they probably can't complain in the discord.

 

[MuskyGorilla]

Lmao it's literally one of the worst VN just with that disgustingly ugly MC alone
Not to mention some routes Coach poor storytelling.

The porn CGs are really good though. The only reason I finished Grifter's route.

Man idk why everyone hates EA because of that, I don't mind the MC too much he's not that bad. Coach's route sucks tho every other route is orders of magnitude better.

Coach's route I'd argue borders on satire/commentary because it's so dumb. "I have depression and it's totally not your responsibility except you're literally the only thing stopping me from quitting my job and letting the car drift off the highway into the Arizona Desert like that one scene in Breaking Bad and also you're just going to have to live with the fact that I still definitely haven't moved on from my literal psychopath ex-wife lmaoo because I 'still think there's a chance she'll forgive me'."

All the other characters have reasonably mature/nuanced issues, Coach's feels like a fanfic. at least he's hot

 

[haceous]

Also the continous excessive mentions of "My Wolf" in FBTW.

I tough I was the only one annoyed by that, whenever I play that game I feel like I'm whore who will do anything for said "my wolf" for goodness sake at this point in the story were walking around in a dress and a collar and you have no say in that, the "game" just shoves everything into you and not a single choice matters

 

[PaleAngel_90]

I tough I was the only one annoyed by that, whenever I play that game I feel like I'm whore who will do anything for said "my wolf" for goodness sake at this point in the story were walking around in a dress and a collar and you have no say in that, the "game" just shoves everything into you and not a single choice matters

Which is why I don't play fbtw anymore, that and the clear abusive relationship between both of them.

 

[ImmaDumBum]

> clear abusive relationship

Where have I heard that before, definitely not from Stockholm Syndrome the VN