VN Ren'Py Lustia Sexfight of the Realms [v0.5a] [Frost Games]

[frostgames]

Opinions
Feels like you're leaning in wayyy too heavily on the drama/basic villainous caricatures/strawman stereotypes in oni/dragon girls' worlds to the point that it's not fun to even bother with those routes, the heroines themselves are likable out of context but their routes/worlds are not fun at all they feel unnecessarily morbid.

Also I think the power creep is going to become a major issue sooner rather than later at the rate you're going.

I really enjoyed Iris/Lila's content as a mostly self contained story but that's about it. The elf's character/route/world felt empty, like the character is just a haughty plot device instead of a person. Dragon/Oni girls despite being pleasant people weren't fun due to their routes.

Suggestions
I suggest removing the excessive hate against the characters from their worlds just let people find a poison dragon unattractive on the basis of the poison or finding her naturally unattractive because they have different tastes in appearance instead of tying it into a racism subplot(meaning they pass her up or ignore her NOT actively antagonize her), let her insecurity be a natural character flaw to overcome instead of the result of systematic oppression, as for oni girl at first her world sounded really fun, I was hyped for a role player from a technologically advanced world playing in a virtual world(oni girl) unknowingly interacts with real magic subplot like the one in tsubasa reservoir chronicles given how the first few moments played out, where the different sides(including the people playing purely monster races) act all edgy and antagonistic against each other when there's conflict but all get along well with each other once the competitions are over, instead there's just more mindless hate for no good reason. I'd recommend reducing how morbid the situation is with that world somehow, maybe don't make it so the world is designed to encourage wars of extermination/extinction. I hope that the elf/wolf girls' world's don't devolve into unjustifiable hate/discrimination narratives for no reason/just for the sake of drama.

Oh also it might be a good idea to just have the boss lady(succubus) allow the player to wonder the other worlds to visit the girls on his own with the warning that she won't bail him out or that she gets to keep his soul if she's ends up having to be the one to save/revive him(effectively a game over), just not allowing the girls' to visit the players world since she doesn't want them there for some reason, it's apparently where the succubus is based maybe she just doesn't want them causing a scene/drama there as a result, or if you wanna lean in on the elf's conspiracy theories you could go with that. Having the succubus give him a means of teleporting but only if he accepts ending up naked would fit thematically and could be what the elf reverse engineers to give her something to gloat about, she could still end up in the players world naked by testing the spell/breaking the rules. It could enable two modes for visiting the girls, a less time restrictive naked version from the succubus for socializing, raising the stakes with sudden encounters, or prolonged stays and a time restrictive but practical version that allows him to bring stuff that he can carry with him(no matter what the stuff he brings goes with him when he leaves though, can't have them abusing the spell to game the system excessively), can still have the summonable equipment just as an extra for emergency/combat thing(I'd advise against it working with naked mode for the sake of limiting power creep though, if you really want to give the naked transportation protection maybe consider a fast/strong barrior spell that burns mana fast, good for a last second save but completely impractical for actual combat).

Lastly a gameplay suggestion
Instead of blocking the player from doing stuff if they haven't progressed far enough in another route to get special gear/moves/macguffins allow the player a stat check(maybe check for more than one stat), if the player passes let them accomplish the feat without the special macguffin, if they don't let them game over, this allows the player a greater sense of control/freedom, maybe adding a save warning before the checks regardless of the macguffin could work but that could just annoy people instead, hm... maybe add warnings before checks but allow the player to toggle them off in options. Point being allow the players to choose where they go enforced play order/restricting choice can make people question why you bothered adding the hub area with such few choices, instead of going full kinetic novel. (Only disabling rollback when you're in the arena would also be nice, renpy without rollback just feels weird.)

About the Oni world.

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You start to see more of Auriel world and Lilith starts to get more involvement in the stories in 0.3.1 where I finally implement the money system. Until 0.3 you don't even leave Auriel room in her world. Since you don't like the drama of social problems you will probably like Iris world, the only real problem there are the rifts.

I try to avoid true game over situations but there will be a few in the future(with warning). Right now if you have or not some powers/spells or high atributes can change some scenes and give you more choices, but some are just necessary. The only disable rollback in the arena is a good sugestion, I will do that from the next version onwards.

Now something out of context, I wonder if anyone was able to find the two hard modes. Although they probably make the fights impossible to win.

 

[zypnexx]

any femdom ?

 

[frostgames]

any femdom ?

Only if you consider when you are dominated during the fights femdom.

 

[Kalsaphix`]

is there a way to tell when we've finished the current content for one of the girls/game?

 

[frostgames]

is there a way to tell when we've finished the current content for one of the girls/game?

There is a guide on the top left, just click it and you will see.

 

[Kalsaphix`]

There is a guide on the top left, just click it and you will see.

thank you. I hadn't noticed that before. turns out I've already done everything sofar. fun game and I like how there are unlining issues that don't wrap around the MC's dick. a fun change from the games you can play on here. I'm really enjoying it so far.

 

[Succubus Hunter]

Only if you consider when you are dominated during the fights femdom.

Darn. Great game but definitely needs moar femdom.

 

[track989]

isnt the demon/oni in this game just himika from monster girl dream just the pose inverted

For real I don't particularly care tbh, more Night-Games-Likes sounds good to me as it's a great implementation of BF mechanics and anything that wants to build from it as inspiration I'll be willing to check out, whether it's pure text, pixel sprites, porn jpegs (shudder) or palette swaps etc. Haven't played this yet but will when I get a chance!

But whoever drew that oni obviously had Himika in mind while drawing it (which is fine) and probably even outright used her as a reference (a bit less fine if you're running a patreon). Compare the extremity points of the hair with 4 points on the top left and 3 points on the top right, similar on the bottom left except for a couple of strands being merged into one, still all the same angles though.

Again... this is just h-games, nobody's gonna sue you or burn you at the stake, but the similarities here obviously go beyond just inspiration, and probably makes more sense for a deliberate tribute/parody side character referencing MGD in game rather than a major character featured in the first post. Or else this topic is gonna crop up again every 2 pages when some idiot like me raises it again

 

[frostgames]

Main page updated with 0.3.1a, feedback is welcome and if anyone have ideas for interesting feats you can post here and if I like I may add it or a variation of it to the game in a future version.

 

[StratoSquir]

that sound like a interesting game... having a more polished UI and visuels would help
but for now it sound interesting, i'll give it a go to try the gameplay and then give some feedback

 

[StratoSquir]

everyone is saying the red-oni look like the one from "Monster Girl Dream"
but to be fair it's hard to make a red-oni girl that dosn't look like that

every itterations of oni-waifues i've seen, be in mangas, animes, hentai, or eroges all look pretty-much like that,
they all look like red giant tomboys with long hair, it's pretty-much the stereotype for this type of character
it's like how every elves-girls are slims with long blonde-hair and green/blue-eyes
so it's kind of a unfair comparaison i think

 

[Nait Sieve]

just gave this a look after quite some time (kinda skipped the last update).
only had a few encounters with Jade so far. charisma-based attacks seem like the way to go (my char sucks at this though) and fucking/69ing her seems suicide. also got an error when bringing up "dragon maid":

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nice to see more options during combat. an option that i missed during combat with shion: she was on top and started fucking me, i reversed. now my best option was to completly disengage, when i woud have prefered to just pull out and stay on top.
originally i was gonna complain how 69 position is a trap that does more harm than good, but after testing it on iris i had my most convincing victory against my old nemesis, so i guess it's fine.
minor thing i noticed when teleporting to auriel and asking her questions was that her image was missing. it just shows up once you clcik on training.
a thing you may wanna tune down, at least for now, is the amount of fights needed to progress things. i feel like i've fought shion at least a dozen times by now, but i've still not unlocked her route (and as that lilith's route).
currently i'm at the choice of heroic cumback or sho(u)nen power. the latter is certainly the more interesting choice, but also a double edged sword. we had a similar perk choice in the past, right (sorry, bad memory)? i'm honestly not sure what to pick here, as the cumback feels too situational and unreliable, but also has no drawbacks. not sure how you wanna go about this in the longer run, like if we can improve those perks later on or something, but for now i kinda woud prefer a list of choices you get every x levels, and a way to look at them later on ingame.
i might add some further feedback later once i unlocked the shion/lilith/jewel stuff.
anyway, gg. keep up the good work

 

[frostgames]

just gave this a look after quite some time (kinda skipped the last update).
only had a few encounters with Jade so far. charisma-based attacks seem like the way to go (my char sucks at this though) and fucking/69ing her seems suicide. also got an error when bringing up "dragon maid":

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nice to see more options during combat. an option that i missed during combat with shion: she was on top and started fucking me, i reversed. now my best option was to completly disengage, when i woud have prefered to just pull out and stay on top.
originally i was gonna complain how 69 position is a trap that does more harm than good, but after testing it on iris i had my most convincing victory against my old nemesis, so i guess it's fine.
minor thing i noticed when teleporting to auriel and asking her questions was that her image was missing. it just shows up once you clcik on training.
a thing you may wanna tune down, at least for now, is the amount of fights needed to progress things. i feel like i've fought shion at least a dozen times by now, but i've still not unlocked her route (and as that lilith's route).
currently i'm at the choice of heroic cumback or sho(u)nen power. the latter is certainly the more interesting choice, but also a double edged sword. we had a similar perk choice in the past, right (sorry, bad memory)? i'm honestly not sure what to pick here, as the cumback feels too situational and unreliable, but also has no drawbacks. not sure how you wanna go about this in the longer run, like if we can improve those perks later on or something, but for now i kinda woud prefer a list of choices you get every x levels, and a way to look at them later on ingame.
i might add some further feedback later once i unlocked the shion/lilith/jewel stuff.
anyway, gg. keep up the good work

At least it is a minor bug that can be skiped without problem, I will wait to see if there is more before releasing a bugfix. You are just skipping Lilith warning you that you are there to fight not to talk.

To unlock Shion you need to reach a level of affection and strength(I think it is 18) and when meeting her one of the choices gives a big boost to her affection, I spoiled it in a post here but I will take a look to see exactly how many fights it takes with each choice. Jade is quite easy to unlock because unless you used the last option she starts with really high affection. Lilith is based on your choices at the begining of the game, the best or worst choices for her can give you a variation of 10 days to when her events begin.

About shounen power is a buff because it align in a way that when you are taking less damage you are dealing more so you don't spend equal time in all phases, you spend more in the ones you are more powerful.

I don't think it would be good to have all feats listed inside the game but I can put them in a text file outside for those who want to plan their path. I will think on it.

 

[Nait Sieve]

At least it is a minor bug that can be skiped without problem, I will wait to see if there is more before releasing a bugfix. You are just skipping Lilith warning you that you are there to fight not to talk.

To unlock Shion you need to reach a level of affection and strength(I think it is 18) and when meeting her one of the choices gives a big boost to her affection, I spoiled it in a post here but I will take a look to see exactly how many fights it takes with each choice. Jade is quite easy to unlock because unless you used the last option she starts with really high affection. Lilith is based on your choices at the begining of the game, the best or worst choices for her can give you a variation of 10 days to when her events begin.

About shounen power is a buff because it align in a way that when you are taking less damage you are dealing more so you don't spend equal time in all phases, you spend more in the ones you are more powerful.

I don't think it would be good to have all feats listed inside the game but I can put them in a text file outside for those who want to plan their path. I will think on it.

oh wow, i think level 18 is too high/late, at least for now. i'm just at 13. pretty sure i didn't tell her what she wanted to hear, so i guess that's my bad. still feels kinda punishing considering these choices come up at the very first meeting, with the player having no real clue about their personalities at that point.
i'm no native english speaker myself, but the way i understood shounen power is that you deal less damage and take more damage when your arousal is low, and deal more damage and take less damage when arousal is high, making it a comeback mechanic (start weak, get stronger as the fight goes on) that almost guarantees to have close fights.

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if that's not how it goes, then i suggest changing the text.

 

[frostgames]

oh wow, i think level 18 is too high/late, at least for now. i'm just at 13. pretty sure i didn't tell her what she wanted to hear, so i guess that's my bad. still feels kinda punishing considering these choices come up at the very first meeting, with the player having no real clue about their personalities at that point.
i'm no native english speaker myself, but the way i understood shounen power is that you deal less damage and take more damage when your arousal is low, and deal more damage and take less damage when arousal is high, making it a comeback mechanic (start weak, get stronger as the fight goes on) that almost guarantees to have close fights.

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if that's not how it goes, then i suggest changing the text.

It is not level 18, it is strength 18. If you are level 13 you should have it by default so it is affection you are missing if you didnt unlock her yet. It should take a max of 10 victories or 20 defeats or a mix between them it you took the worst choice when you met her. Also, I noticed that I delayed shion world until you progress a little into Jade world.

It decribes what I explained, you begin doing 80% damage and taking 120% and end up doing 120% damage and taking only 80%. Here with the breakpoints.
at 0 arousal: 80%|120% (damage done | damage taken)
at 20% arousal: 90%|110% (damage done | damage taken)
at 40% arousal: 100%|100% (damage done | damage taken)
at 60% arousal: 110%|90% (damage done | damage taken)
at 80% arousal: 120%|80% (damage done | damage taken)

 

[Nait Sieve]

It is not level 18, it is strength 18. If you are level 13 you should have it by default so it is affection you are missing if you didnt unlock her yet. It should take a max of 10 victories or 20 defeats or a mix between them it you took the worst choice when you met her. Also, I noticed that I delayed shion world until you progress a little into Jade world.

It decribes what I explained, you begin doing 80% damage and taking 120% and end up doing 120% damage and taking only 80%. Here with the breakpoints.
at 0 arousal: 80%|120% (damage done | damage taken)
at 20% arousal: 90%|110% (damage done | damage taken)
at 40% arousal: 100%|100% (damage done | damage taken)
at 60% arousal: 110%|90% (damage done | damage taken)
at 80% arousal: 120%|80% (damage done | damage taken)

oh, read that wrong. my bad. my strength is at 40 lol. i guess jade is the one to focus on then.
and ok, so i understood shounen power correctly after all, and the numbers just work out in a way that it's a buff. i'll stick with it being a double edged sword though, as it makes winning onesidedly less likely/slower, but i'll take it. it's certainly the more interesting one. an upgraded cumback that guarantees said cumback woud be great though (that's why i previously asked about improving those feats).

 

[frostgames]

oh, read that wrong. my bad. my strength is at 40 lol. i guess jade is the one to focus on then.
and ok, so i understood shounen power correctly after all, and the numbers just work out in a way that it's a buff. i'll stick with it being a double edged sword though, as it makes winning onesidedly less likely/slower, but i'll take it. it's certainly the more interesting one. an upgraded cumback that guarantees said cumback woud be great though (that's why i previously asked about improving those feats).

Considering heroic cumback is in the determination line of feats, I could change it to always work, most of the times with greatly reduced effect so it only gives you one extra turn but with a chance to give the full effect. It would feel less random, you would always get something with a chance for greater effect.

 

[Nait Sieve]

Considering heroic cumback is in the determination line of feats, I could change it to always work, most of the times with greatly reduced effect so it only gives you one extra turn but with a chance to give the full effect. It would feel less random, you would always get something with a chance for greater effect.

ah, so i got those two choices based on the other choice before? so there are two other feats if you don't pick determination? if so then i'd even more say that you shoud make this more transparent. and making that ingame woud certainly be better than a text file that half the players won't even notice.
i'm just a single random dude, but i like that alternative way better. quite a few encounters end up being a close call, and reliably having an extra turn sounds great.

 

[frostgames]

ah, so i got those two choices based on the other choice before? so there are two other feats if you don't pick determination? if so then i'd even more say that you shoud make this more transparent. and making that ingame woud certainly be better than a text file that half the players won't even notice.
i'm just a single random dude, but i like that alternative way better. quite a few encounters end up being a close call, and reliably having an extra turn sounds great.

At level 2 you choose your path, level 4 are the first feats, both paths have a unique feat for the path and a shared one that you can choose. In this version you have more choices at level 6 and 8 working the same way, one feat exclusive for the path and one shared. The other 9 feats are in Jade world, you will be able to choose 3 of them. If you are using an old save you should get all feat choices apropriate to your level as soon as you level up once.

 

[Dagma]

hey Frostgames I've noticed a bug it happens from day 1 to day 50 (i presume its a permanent persistent bug) if you save mid fight say after dealing 30 arousal dmg then reload the save where you did that 30 arousal dmg your opponents arousal Resets to zero