[Makura cover soft] Dungeon and Bride (alpha, upcoming, DEMO RELEASED)

Lletya

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so far, the main heroines don't really look very unique at all. Like they can be subbed in with the same character model (mercs) with different hair colors or whatever. Pregnancy system is still lacking. Feels like there's no consequences to getting NTRed yet. hopefully the full game is released soon and proves me wrong. Was still fun to play the current demo with mods.
 

megamanx06

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so far, the main heroines don't really look very unique at all. Like they can be subbed in with the same character model (mercs) with different hair colors or whatever.
Unfortunately that's just his art style, he has like one face he can draw. Take a look at either of his other games and you'll see the same looking characters
 

reaver34

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I'm kind of amazed that nobody took the concept and made a copy of the game before it even got out.

and I must say that i'm starting to believe that if someone started now,he could pull it off before the original goes live.

is there some sort of copyright that prevent other people from doing it?
 

FrogFrozen

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I'm kind of amazed that nobody took the concept and made a copy of the game before it even got out.

and I must say that i'm starting to believe that if someone started now,he could pull it off before the original goes live.

is there some sort of copyright that prevent other people from doing it?
Its because there's legit no chance of that happening. Japanese coders are horrifically fucking bad at coding on the PC platform. Like worse than your typical western amateur fresh out of high school.

Go pickup any VN from the mid-2000s. It'll run an i9 and somehow even an RTX 2000s series card into overdrive because the memory leaks are so fucking bad. Even the AAA Japanese companies are bad at the PC platform and rarely make PC ports. And when they do, they always suck. Capcom and Idea Factory are the only Japanese companies that take PC seriously and actually learn how to code for them.

It's why most of them just use RPG Maker, SRPG Maker, or other such engines instead of learning to code. Makura is one of the few coders there who, while he still has issues with optimization and bugfixing, is capable of doing shit with his games the code was never meant for.

This eroge is in the KiriKiri Engine, which was only ever designed to scroll text, display boxes, display standing pictures/CGs, have interact-able buttons, and play sound files. There's nothing in its code to do more than that. And this unhinged madman pulled off miracle code to get that engine to run a fucking blobber. Which is a genre so obscure its nearly dead as it is. This whole game is a venn diagram of several different things, each as rare as a unicorn, layering on top of each other. And it somehow doesn't set your computer on fire like most VNs would despite all the custom code.

This dude is almost certainly the only one in the whole eroge industry of Japan that would even attempt this. Let alone be able to pull it off.

And even if there was a second person who tried it, it would still probably take them about as much time. Remember how I mentioned Kaga Shouzou in an earlier post? Creator of Fire Emblem. Seasoned, genre-defining pro with 40 years of experience. He's been a one-man-team for the last 25 years and a pace of roughly 6-8 years between his releases.

This game having a pace of 5 years is actually rather fast for a one-man-team on that side of the Pacific. People are getting frustrated at Makura not because of "slow-pacing." No, for a one-man-team, he's actually got pretty good pacing. It's people just not having perspective on this, and also him repeatedly setting deadlines and then missing them.

This isn't one of those usual scam games over here where its just a bunch of text with minimal gameplay or little to no custom code in Java, or a Ren'Py game with Koikatsu art assets. Those really have little reason to not be done in a year or two since there's next to nothing happening under the hood with little to no overhead for asset creation. (Because text-only or Koikatsu.) It's all just script writing and then mild code tedium. Yet somehow the development keeps going with a funded Patreon for 12 years.

Honestly, Makura seems like something of a perfectionist because he keeps going back and adding shit. Which is the real thing that causes the delays. However, if he wasn't a perfectionist, he probably wouldn't be able to pull off a cosmic-level rarity of game development like this in the first place. I've begun to think its just a the natural downside of what allows him to do this at all.

I still think the man needs a manager, or assistant, or something to help keep him focused and on track, though.
 
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Ghost1005

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Tbh they shouldn't have really dropped any release dates to begin with if they were not confident they would have been better off with semi frequent progress reports and or devlogs the thing people are getting pissed about is the forever moving release date i personally only came across this game a few months back and i'm a fan of their previous works so it doen't bother me too much but some people have been chasing it for years from the looks of it
 
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Tbh they shouldn't have really dropped any release dates to begin with if they were not confident they would have been better off with semi frequent progress reports and or devlogs the thing people are getting pissed about is the forever moving release date i personally only came across this game a few months back and i'm a fan of their previous works so it doen't bother me too much but some people have been chasing it for years from the looks of it
You're absolutely right. I only picked it up a bit more than a year ago, and I've already gone through 3 release date delays. And if he doesn't release in April, that would be 4.
 
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Wish he could release this game on steam. I'm not a fan of credit cards so I'll probably not going to buy the game on dlsite
(The game being japanese only doesn't help the case either)
 

megamanx06

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Wish he could release this game on steam. I'm not a fan of credit cards so I'll probably not going to buy the game on dlsite
(The game being japanese only doesn't help the case either)
DLsite doesn't even let you use credit cards lol. Visa and Mastercard blacklisted them
 

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You can still use them to buy points on DLsite, and then use the points to purchase the games. But otherwise, yeah... no direct game purchases allowed.
Yeah but that's not giving them your credit card directly which is what I was assuming he meant
Although I just went to DLsite to verify, and it looks like you actually CAN use western credit cards again? Interesting
 

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Tbh they shouldn't have really dropped any release dates to begin with if they were not confident they would have been better off with semi frequent progress reports and or devlogs the thing people are getting pissed about is the forever moving release date i personally only came across this game a few months back and i'm a fan of their previous works so it doen't bother me too much but some people have been chasing it for years from the looks of it
YEP, I am a firm believer that you only give dates when you can ship right now. And all you are doing is fine tuning things for a better experience. That way, you will 100% be able to keep the release date you say.
 

Mana Renard

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Tbh they shouldn't have really dropped any release dates to begin with if they were not confident they would have been better off with semi frequent progress reports and or devlogs the thing people are getting pissed about is the forever moving release date i personally only came across this game a few months back and i'm a fan of their previous works so it doen't bother me too much but some people have been chasing it for years from the looks of it
In fact, the delay in the release time was not a big problem. In 2024, it was said that a new system needed to be added and a new trial version was released. At that time, the user response was quite positive.
The problem came after that. From then on, the frequency of announcement updates by the production team became very unstable and long. Many users waited for three months and finally waited for the update announcement, but they only got a few sentences that were almost irrelevant to the production progress.
If you have only paid attention for a few months, you will find that since the announcement at the end of December 2024, the only two updated announcements until now are a delay announcement in March and a comic announcement. Those of us who have been waiting since the beginning have basically been waiting since the last trial version patch in June 2024.
The fundamental reason for the anger among users is the lack of effective progress reports and the extremely long announcement update time while the game is delayed.
 
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I'm kind of amazed that nobody took the concept and made a copy of the game before it even got out.

and I must say that i'm starting to believe that if someone started now,he could pull it off before the original goes live.

is there some sort of copyright that prevent other people from doing it?
this game basically is wizardry with hentai MOD and CG
 
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reaver34

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this game basically is wizardry with hentai MOD and CG
i've seen his code for Leane2, it's amazing that it even works.
It's impressive because he made it on kirikiri engine. i have a hard time understanding why the same couldn't be achieved in godot or unity.

we act like it's an artifact made from exotic material that human can't comprehend, it isn't.
I'll piss people off by saying that but regarding Dungeons and bride, there's pretty much nothing that happens unless there is a player input. therefore, it could be achieved on ren'py.

i'm not saying it's a good idea, but...
 

FrogFrozen

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Yeah but that's not giving them your credit card directly which is what I was assuming he meant
Although I just went to DLsite to verify, and it looks like you actually CAN use western credit cards again? Interesting
You can use western cards again, but only because Visa/Mastercard whinged until they got what they wanted. Certain tags are now IP-blocked. For example, if you search the Loli tag and you're from a Western IP, everything in that tag is just treated as if it doesn't exist. You just get a "No products matched your search conditions." result.

Of course, its a western company. So, the logic behind the chosen blocked tags is wildly incomprehensible. Loli is IP-blocked, but Shota is fine, apparently? Either its the usual double-standard nonsense, or Visa/Mastercard execs are card-carrying members of NAMBLA, confirmed.

Which also means this game might be IP-blocked as well considering it has at least 4 Lolies in it. (Gnome, Sylph, Miredy, and Satan.) You can get around the IP-block with a VPN, though. The products will show up as normal, then.
 

megamanx06

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i have a hard time understanding why the same couldn't be achieved in godot or unity.
Mostly because western commercial engines usually have dogshit Japanese documentation. Combine that with the opportunity cost of having to spend time and effort learning a new engine, which could have been spend actually working the game in the engine you already know, it's understandable that small indie Japanese developers wouldn't want to bother switching
 

LewdGamer9000

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Of course, its a western company. So, the logic behind the chosen blocked tags is wildly incomprehensible. Loli is IP-blocked, but Shota is fine, apparently? Either its the usual double-standard nonsense, or Visa/Mastercard execs are card-carrying members of NAMBLA, confirmed.
Not exactly that incomprehensible. Bad publicity is actually bad publicity and lawsuits for the companies. This is similar to like how female nudity and lewdness get huge outrage in the west while the male version get nothing but positivity.

Some very bitter people are way too free and yet terrible in parenting.
 
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