doppelgrammar

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Just started a new game to try out the new patch, and maaaaan Sloppy is rough. Adrienne apparently always has both Sloppy and Bratty, which makes her kind of a nightmare to deal with. Sloopy is a 15% chance to decrease discipline. All the ways to increase discipline (guard duty, stables, arena, academy, etc.) have a 15% or lower chance to proc, so unless you assign them to multiple sources, discipline gain will average out to zero.

You can reduce Sloppy by increasing perfectionist, but unless you start at character creation with the taskmaster trait, you're shit out of luck, because raising perfectionism requires 60 discipline. And the one source that COULD outpace the discipline loss, house maid with a maid dress and eventually the head maid title, straight up disables discipline gain.

So to actually get rid of Sloppy, you need to make them a liability in your tavern, keep them afraid, have them trained by a workaholic, and then reward their bad behavior by buying them a pony.

I'm mostly salty because Sloppy fucks up the one thing that Adrienne is supposed to be good at, which is accounting.
 
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Clemency

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So to actually get rid of Sloppy, you need to make them a liability in your tavern, keep them afraid, have them trained by a workaholic, and then reward their bad behavior by buying them a pony.
Guard Duty + Educator + a title is my go to. I do have a significant Medicine stat, so training her Medicine up is fairly routine for me.
Change sloppy for her from 100 to 0
Sloppy works like Pure/Malevolent and Shy/Extroverted. Sloppy is lumped with Perfectionist.
0-25 = Sloppy
26-75 (or some specific number I do not care to look up again) = none
75-100 = Perfectionist
 
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Zarkhy

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Just started a new game to try out the new patch, and maaaaan Sloppy is rough. Adrienne apparently always has both Sloppy and Bratty, which makes her kind of a nightmare to deal with.
Wait, she always has both? Since when? Mine just has superficial.

IIRC she (and some other mercs and such) does get somewhat randomized traits, but they're set at day start instead of upon recruitment.

So it sounds like you just got unlucky.

Sloopy is a 15% chance to decrease discipline. All the ways to increase discipline (guard duty, stables, arena, academy, etc.) have a 15% or lower chance to proc, so unless you assign them to multiple sources, discipline gain will average out to zero.
Guard duty gains depend on the skill of the captain, but it's way over 15% on a good captain. Also Educators exist. You definitely can gain way more discipline way faster than Sloppy loses it, at least up to 80.

You can reduce Sloppy by increasing perfectionist, but unless you start at character creation with the taskmaster trait, you're shit out of luck, because raising perfectionism requires 60 discipline. And the one source that COULD outpace the discipline loss, house maid with a maid dress and eventually the head maid title, straight up disables discipline gain.
From 0.8.4 changelog:
  • An assigned maid has a 15% daily chance of decreasing her Sloppy trait (upcoming feature).
Although I haven't tested it myself.

But nevertheless, as we've established, gaining discipline is way easier than you think, and all you need to do is keep it above 60 while the title you've given them increases their Perfectionist trait out of the Sloppy area.
 

Clemency

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Wait, she always has both? Since when?
Since the patch those traits were created. So 0.8.4.3 or 0.8.4.2. If you have a Perfectionist Adrienne already, then the autopatcher will not give her Sloppy. But those without (or maybe without max discipline, since my Bud had no perfectionist but no Sloppy), they get it. My Dexter suddenly got Sloppy and I did not realize it. As for Bratty, I am not fully sure what's the mechanic for that. I know my Dakota and Aisha got autopatched with Bratty, but other guaranteeds like Felix did not get it.
 

Zarkhy

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Since the patch those traits were created. So 0.8.4.3 or 0.8.4.2. If you have a Perfectionist Adrienne already, then the autopatcher will not give her Sloppy. But those without (or maybe without max discipline, since my Bud had no perfectionist but no Sloppy), they get it. My Dexter suddenly got Sloppy and I did not realize it. As for Bratty, I am not fully sure what's the mechanic for that. I know my Dakota and Aisha got autopatched with Bratty, but other guaranteeds like Felix did not get it.
Well, my Adrienne got neither, Dakota and Aisha got Bratty and Evelyn is the only Sloppy.

Bratty is not as bad as Sloppy, but I sure hope there's gonna be a better mechanic for getting rid of it.
 
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