Ren'Py Max's Life [Ch. 5 v0.52] [Kuggazer]

[Bloodguard]

That's not on the people that's on the Dev. He chose to drag it out and should've put a bow on it and given everybody the pregnancy ending they wanted back in 2019.
He could then make his NTR game but no he chose to morph his fan favorite game into something completely different and lose 90% of his patrons and fans.
Brilliant move all in all.

To be Fair, Kuggazer has never really had a lot of Patrons. I think he lives in a country where he can survive on a pretty low income. Told him years ago to look into Subscribestar and Itchio, but no luck.
When you compare this to other Honey Select games, like Waifu Academy, Once in a Lifetime, My New Family, and Harem Hotel, with loads of supporters, I feel bad for the guy.

 

[Xythurr]

To be Fair, Kuggazer has never really had a lot of Patrons. I think he lives in a country where he can survive on a pretty low income. Told him years ago to look into Subscribestar and Itchio, but no luck.
When you compare this to other Honey Select games, like Waifu Academy, Once in a Lifetime, My New Family, and Harem Hotel, with loads of supporters, I feel bad for the guy.

Well it's still true he shot himself in the foot so I don't feel too bad for him. Actions meet consequences.
EDIT: The dudes Italian. Not exactly a 3rd world nation.

 

[Griev]

People always over exaggerate the financial impact adding NTR to a porn game has. Someone claims he lost 90% of his fans lol. Tracking from the game's highest point to now he's actually got more PAID members since adding NTR than he had before it if Graphtreon is remotely accurate. His patron numbers looks steady AF actually over the course of 5 years.

 

[al.shm]

Well it's still true he shot himself in the foot so I don't feel too bad for him. Actions meet consequences.
EDIT: The dudes Italian. Not exactly a 3rd world nation.

I talked with him and he will do remake from chapter 1 until 5 and eliminate ntr sharing scenes

 

[Xythurr]

I talked with him and he will do remake from chapter 1 until 5 and eliminate ntr sharing scenes

We'll see. Talk is cheap.

 

[fajiker145]

People always over exaggerate the financial impact adding NTR to a porn game has. Someone claims he lost 90% of his fans lol. Tracking from the game's highest point to now he's actually got more PAID members since adding NTR than he had before it if Graphtreon is remotely accurate. His patron numbers looks steady AF actually over the course of 5 years.

Look, I am no expert but the grapheon graph you refer to looks like its constantly dropping,

He might have slight more paid members now than when he started but he is earning way less and the trend is negative or if you want to look at it being overly positivy, 'constant'.
And it is a game that is more than 5 years old and in all those years its been making less and less money consistently after the inclusion of NTR which was in 2019, from there is a constant negative, is that just a coincidence??
Call me crazy but most GOOD/GREAT games (which Max's life was in the beginning until it went all cuck) get more support with time, and people dont get tired of it check these other creator who are also going for a long time: killer 7 started in 2019, jestur in early 2020 and they keep going strong with shitty Honey select graphics


Kuggazer's case is the exact opposite if these two because he betrayed his main demographic after his game blew up and instead of growing, his support started declining.
And thats not all, it also has damaged his reputation to the point people are not comfortable supporting his new game because they dont know when he is going to add ntr/sharing again to "spice things up".
So I think people actually underestimate what adding ntr does to a game that was aiming at a entirely opposite demographic. It is like opening a vegan restaurant and start adding meat options after the second year, it will not go over well with the people who were supporting you.
Either make a normal game or a cuck game but dont betray your supporters by shitting on what was once a great vanilla game by turning it into whatever this is now by this point.

 

[Xythurr]

Look, I am no expert but the grapheon graph you refer to looks like its constantly dropping,
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He might have slight more paid members now than when he started but he is earning way less and the trend is negative or if you want to look at it being overly positivy, 'constant'.
And it is a game that is more than 5 years old and in all those years its been making less and less money consistently after the inclusion of NTR which was in 2019, from there is a constant negative, is that just a coincidence??
Call me crazy but most GOOD/GREAT games (which Max's life was in the beginning until it went all cuck) get more support with time, and people dont get tired of it check these other creator who are also going for a long time: killer 7 started in 2019, jestur in early 2020 and they keep going strong with shitty Honey select graphics
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Kuggazer's case is the exact opposite if these two because he betrayed his main demographic after his game blew up and instead of growing, his support started declining.
And thats not all, it also has damaged his reputation to the point people are not comfortable supporting his new game because they dont know when he is going to add ntr/sharing again to "spice things up".
So I think people actually underestimate what adding ntr does to a game that was aiming at a entirely opposite demographic. It is like opening a vegan restaurant and start adding meat options after the second year, it will not go over well with the people who were supporting you.
Either make a normal game or a cuck game but dont betray your supporters by shitting on what was once a great vanilla game by turning it into whatever this is now by this point.

Damn bro he was already dead but you kept on beating the shit out of him...KUDOS!

 

[Joey's Conscience]

Talked about that in the above comments, the game dragged on for too long and it was bound to happen, Max did everything in this game; newer Max content would've never felt fresh. Honestly, even with avoidable NTR, the complaining wouldn't stop because people love to complain about NTR, and most newer content being better Sharing/NTR stuff compared stale Max content. But giving them an option to avoid would be the sensible thing to do even with all those realities.

Glad to see other people notice this as well. Seems clear to me that the whole point of Steve is because Max's possibilities had run dry, yet the dev wanted to keep the game going.

The apex of the story happens in Ch2 (even if it's the worst chapter), with Max making a harem out of his family. Can't outdo that, so Ch 3 comes around and here's more family members out of nowhere, including a cousin to go through the same sexual initiation Max did back in Ch 1 for a "fresh start". And since you have nowhere to go with Max story wise, the only way to try to have "progress" is to have new sexual situations, which leads to the increase in sharing, NTR, and so on. This game's whole development really reminds me of what happened to DMD.

 

[Xythurr]

Glad to see other people notice this as well. Seems clear to me that the whole point of Steve is because Max's possibilities had run dry, yet the dev wanted to keep the game going.

The apex of the story happens in Ch2 (even if it's the worst chapter), with Max making a harem out of his family. Can't outdo that, so Ch 3 comes around and here's more family members out of nowhere, including a cousin to go through the same sexual initiation Max did back in Ch 1 for a "fresh start". And since you have nowhere to go with Max story wise, the only way to try to have "progress" is to have new sexual situations, which leads to the increase in sharing, NTR, and so on. This game's whole development really reminds me of what happened to DMD.

I disagree. The characters could have been more fleshed out on a personal level and the Aunt and female cousin added in chapter 3 are great.
As it is in we really don't have a lot of in-depth knowledge of the family because the game focused on the corruption and seduction first.
Plenty more could've been done and this has been shown by other successful developers.

 

[Griev]

Look, I am no expert but the grapheon graph you refer to looks like its constantly dropping,
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He might have slight more paid members now than when he started but he is earning way less and the trend is negative or if you want to look at it being overly positivy, 'constant'.
And it is a game that is more than 5 years old and in all those years its been making less and less money consistently after the inclusion of NTR which was in 2019, from there is a constant negative, is that just a coincidence??
Call me crazy but most GOOD/GREAT games (which Max's life was in the beginning until it went all cuck) get more support with time, and people dont get tired of it check these other creator who are also going for a long time: killer 7 started in 2019, jestur in early 2020 and they keep going strong with shitty Honey select graphics

Kuggazer's case is the exact opposite if these two because he betrayed his main demographic after his game blew up and instead of growing, his support started declining.
And thats not all, it also has damaged his reputation to the point people are not comfortable supporting his new game because they dont know when he is going to add ntr/sharing again to "spice things up".
So I think people actually underestimate what adding ntr does to a game that was aiming at a entirely opposite demographic. It is like opening a vegan restaurant and start adding meat options after the second year, it will not go over well with the people who were supporting you.
Either make a normal game or a cuck game but dont betray your supporters by shitting on what was once a great vanilla game by turning it into whatever this is now by this point.

First, I objected to the silly and stupid exaggeration that Kuggs lost 90% of his audience. He hasn't. Even the graph you posted proves it, if you mouse over the peak patron number in 2018 which was 260+ , which was 240+ in December of last year. How is that not consistent? How is that 90% less? It's not even 9% less...
There're 2 graphs that gauge both his financial earnings and patrons. You just so happened to post the one you THINK help makes your point, which was the daily earnings graph, and ignored the monthly earning graph that shows consistency over the entire 5 year span since 2019, which is when you said NTR was added right? I wasn't playing then so I don't know.
I'll post both to show that his monthly , hasn't really changed. It shows a dip, as you said, but also a resurgence of support that brings the total number of paying fans just short of it's all time peak around Christmas last year. If NTR is the reason that you are attempting to frame as the reason "90%" of his fans left, how do you reconcile that with the fact that it's been steadily gaining support and even after going on for so long is almost back to its all-time peak Patron count?
I'll state again Peak in 2018 was 260+, December 2023 was 240+ how is that NOT consistent? He's been adding more and more Netorase content each update too, so how is he seeing such consistency if the Netorase is running away the vast majority (90% lol) of his fans?

I'm not going to compare him to other artists that have better numbers because that has nothing to do with the point being made and only serve to be an attempt to strawman into a different point that not even being argued. Other artist's successes and failures have nothing to do with Kugg's. I'm also not going to argue NTR vs anti-NTR because idgaf about that debate. One point that I WILL agree with that you brought up, I wholeheartedly agree that a Dev should NOT slide in kinks without warning, if they accepting financial payments for the product. If I'm supporting a dev and there's no loli tag, then I see some pedo/loli shit I'd immediately stop any support and unfollow the game. So I don't blame anyone that doesn't like Netorase from no longer supporting the title. But don't just make up lies to fit a narrative you're looking to create just because you can no longer get off to your pixel porn. It's weird, and lame.

 

[fajiker145]

First, I objected to the silly and stupid exaggeration that Kuggs lost 90% of his audience. He hasn't. Even the graph you posted proves it, if you mouse over the peak patron number in 2018 which was 260+ , which was 240+ in December of last year. How is that not consistent? How is that 90% less? It's not even 9% less...
There're 2 graphs that gauge both his financial earnings and patrons. You just so happened to post the one you THINK help makes your point, which was the daily earnings graph, and ignored the monthly earning graph that shows consistency over the entire 5 year span since 2019, which is when you said NTR was added right? I wasn't playing then so I don't know.
I'll post both to show that his monthly , hasn't really changed. It shows a dip, as you said, but also a resurgence of support that brings the total number of paying fans just short of it's all time peak around Christmas last year. If NTR is the reason that you are attempting to frame as the reason "90%" of his fans left, how do you reconcile that with the fact that it's been steadily gaining support and even after going on for so long is almost back to its all-time peak Patron count?
I'll state again Peak in 2018 was 260+, December 2023 was 240+ how is that NOT consistent? He's been adding more and more Netorase content each update too, so how is he seeing such consistency if the Netorase is running away the vast majority (90% lol) of his fans?

I'm not going to compare him to other artists that have better numbers because that has nothing to do with the point being made and only serve to be an attempt to strawman into a different point that not even being argued. Other artist's successes and failures have nothing to do with Kugg's. I'm also not going to argue NTR vs anti-NTR because idgaf about that debate. One point that I WILL agree with that you brought up, I wholeheartedly agree that a Dev should NOT slide in kinks without warning, if they accepting financial payments for the product. If I'm supporting a dev and there's no loli tag, then I see some pedo/loli shit I'd immediately stop any support and unfollow the game. So I don't blame anyone that doesn't like Netorase from no longer supporting the title. But don't just make up lies to fit a narrative you're looking to create just because you can no longer get off to your pixel porn. It's weird, and lame.

I showed the graph the clearly shows the tendency of both number of patreons and earnings throught the years and it shows that it stopped growing at the same time ntr was added. I remember when this game came out and it had a strong start, partially because there wasnt much competition back then so it was one of the best HS games around, similar games have kept growing throughout the years yet this one has stagnated and, as I said in my post, if you want to be postitive you can say it managed to maintain its members but not its earnings, thats why the graph I showed is better because it shows what actually matters which is how much money the game is making, the green line, and unless you are blind you would be able to see that the game was earning close to 1000 and had a tendency to grow then it went to shit when ntr was added in 2019 and it fell to close to 600 and from there its been getting down little by little, unlike most games that get increasing support. I focus on the money aspect because it is what matters. I mean do you think the dev cares about actual money or number of supporters?? Go and ask him. You can easily get more supporters by lowering your prices, it is not the metric to measure success.

Also, I never claimed he lost 90% of support though and I never said that, I was calling bullshit on you saying adding ntr doesnt have much of an effect when this game's decadence is the living proof that it does. This was one of the best games back in 2019 earning close to 1000 per month, it was out there with other greats, if it hadnt gone to shit it would have kept growing like most other games, thats why I posted how games that also started close to this one kept growing and didnt experience this harsh drop in earnings.
If you want to pretend that kugazzer doing a 180 on a game that was having great success
had no effect then be my guest, the data is there and it shows what happened,
no point in discussing with someone so delusional.
Hell, even Kugazzer himself admitted it was a mistake to do it and surely cries tears of blood when he sees other creators that were below him at the time and are now earning 6x more than him or much more than that even lmao. Because thats what happens when you are working on a project, you expect it to grow consistently, if the tendency shows that you are doing worst everyday or show no growth at all in the span of 5 fucking years then you are doing/or did something wrong.

 

[Letstryitout]

I showed the graph the clearly shows the tendency of both number of patreons and earnings throught the years and it shows that it stopped growing at the same time ntr was added. I remember when this game came out and it had a strong start, partially because there wasnt much competition back then so it was one of the best HS games around, similar games have kept growing throughout the years yet this one has stagnated and, as I said in my post, if you want to be postitive you can say it managed to maintain its members but not its earnings, thats why the graph I showed is better because it shows what actually matters which is how much money the game is making, the green line, and unless you are blind you would be able to see that the game was earning close to 1000 and had a tendency to grow then it went to shit when ntr was added in 2019 and it fell to close to 600 and from there its been getting down little by little, unlike most games that get increasing support. I focus on the money aspect because it is what matters. I mean do you think the dev cares about actual money or number of supporters?? Go and ask him. You can easily get more supporters by lowering your prices, it is not the metric to measure success.

Also, I never claimed he lost 90% of support though and I never said that, I was calling bullshit on you saying adding ntr doesnt have much of an effect when this game's decadence is the living proof that it does. This was one of the best games back in 2019 earning close to 1000 per month, it was out there with other greats, if it hadnt gone to shit it would have kept growing like most other games, thats why I posted how games that also started close to this one kept growing and didnt experience this harsh drop in earnings.
If you want to pretend that kugazzer doing a 180 on a game that was having great success
had no effect then be my guest, the data is there and it shows what happened,
no point in discussing with someone so delusional.
Hell, even Kugazzer himself admitted it was a mistake to do it and surely cries tears of blood when he sees other creators that were below him at the time and are now earning 6x more than him or much more than that even lmao. Because thats what happens when you are working on a project, you expect it to grow consistently, if the tendency shows that you are doing worst everyday or show no growth at all in the span of 5 fucking years then you are doing/or did something wrong.

I think 2019 had more problems than adding NTR, I don't think that's the only reason. Chapters 2-3 were barely playable at that time, and the family content was mostly done. I don't know how many stick around after that, even the Killer7 graph you posted shows people move on when they get what they want, If it wasn't for the new game he was making the numbers would've plummeted. And if most NTR haters were gone when NTR/Sharing scenes were added, then that means NTR/Sharing expecters keeping this game afloat. I think Dev knows this fact by now, because the shift moved from Max to Home now, which is clear to see. I don't know how many older players coming here for the Max content dev is putting rn over what's happening at home.

 

[fajiker145]

I think 2019 had more problems than adding NTR, I don't think that's the only reason. Chapters 2-3 were barely playable at that time, and the family content was mostly done. I don't know how many stick around after that, even the Killer7 graph you posted shows people move on when they get what they want, If it wasn't for the new game he was making the numbers would've plummeted.

Sigh.... Let the dev speak then

Dev know he not only lost support going from 1000 to $600 but also kept declining when before he was growing. Thats all, it was the ntr, it wasnt luck, it wasnt tehnicall issues or people "getting boring" ( lmao as if you get bored of what you like). Many games where you fuck the family members early and they keep going strong after that.
Killer7 just reached the peak of what you could earn with shitty HS1 graphics that why he stopped growing, and tbh he is earning a lot more than he should imo, the games finished now and his other game isnt all that great even with Daz.

And if most NTR haters were gone when NTR/Sharing scenes were added, then that means NTR/Sharing expecters keeping this game afloat.
. I think Dev knows this fact by now, because the shift moved from Max to Home now, which is clear to see. I don't know how many older players coming here for the Max content dev is putting rn over what's happening at home.

On this we can agree. He is desperately clinging to ntr fans because he knows everyone else left, youd have to be a buffoon to pay for this game if you are not into ntr/sharing. And that made the game irrelevant after being on of the most popular and great potential back then.

 

[Xythurr]

I think 2019 had more problems than adding NTR, I don't think that's the only reason. Chapters 2-3 were barely playable at that time, and the family content was mostly done. I don't know how many stick around after that, even the Killer7 graph you posted shows people move on when they get what they want, If it wasn't for the new game he was making the numbers would've plummeted. And if most NTR haters were gone when NTR/Sharing scenes were added, then that means NTR/Sharing expecters keeping this game afloat. I think Dev knows this fact by now, because the shift moved from Max to Home now, which is clear to see. I don't know how many older players coming here for the Max content dev is putting rn over what's happening at home.

Nothing you just typed out addresses or refutes the points he made and a lot of it is pure speculation. Other stuff going on in 2019? So other games weren't successful that year huh?
As he stated it has been confirmed to me personally that the dev had admitted he made a mistake and it has been detrimental to him.
That's why he's already rewrote the first part of his newer game in regards to two love interests because people got on him about them and he wasn't risking it.
As for NTR players being what's left? Probably so.

 

[Xythurr]

Sigh.... Let the dev speak then
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Dev know he not only lost support going from 1000 to $600 but also kept declining when before he was growing. Thats all, it was the ntr, it wasnt luck, it wasnt tehnicall issues or people "getting boring" ( lmao as if you get bored of what you like). Many games where you fuck the family members early and they keep going strong after that.
Killer7 just reached the peak of what you could earn with shitty HS1 graphics that why he stopped growing, and tbh he is earning a lot more than he should imo, the games finished now and his other game isnt all that great even with Daz.

On this we can agree. He is desperately clinging to ntr fans because he knows everyone else left, youd have to be a buffoon to pay for this game if you are not into ntr/sharing. And that made the game irrelevant after being on of the most popular and great potential back then.

Wait a minute are you slandering "My New Memories" somewhere in there!? REEEEEEE

 

[Letstryitout]

Sigh.... Let the dev speak then
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Dev know he not only lost support going from 1000 to $600 but also kept declining when before he was growing. Thats all, it was the ntr, it wasnt luck, it wasnt tehnicall issues or people "getting boring" ( lmao as if you get bored of what you like). Many games where you fuck the family members early and they keep going strong after that.
Killer7 just reached the peak of what you could earn with shitty HS1 graphics that why he stopped growing, and tbh he is earning a lot more than he should imo, the games finished now and his other game isnt all that great even with Daz.

On this we can agree. He is desperately clinging to ntr fans because he knows everyone else left, youd have to be a buffoon to pay for this game if you are not into ntr/sharing. And that made the game irrelevant after being on of the most popular and great potential back then.

Dev Response seems to quell the ragers, I don't think this game would've reached that high of potential as you make it, game was lagging for 10-15 seconds after animations or changing location and Sandbox wasn't very clear on what you should be doing. Are you sure the 2019 was NTR beginning? Making Porn event was optional If I'm not remembering wrong, even in the early chapter Alvin's mother's could be shared, no? Game heavy Sharing shift was mostly around mid-chapter 4, If I'm not mistaking. I'm sorry, but if people had left the game before that mark then they would be fooling themselves about NTR making this game worse(Also, dev made those optionals better back than, ngl)because Max was still the main focus back then, no reason leaving over 2-3 optional content, no?

Also, I don't want to shit on other dev in a completely irrelevant thread, but agreed on Killer7 content getting more than it deserves, far better HS games out there, that one was just boring to me.

 

[cevirmenimsi]

Chapter 2 is unplayable

 

[Xythurr]

Dev Response seems to quell the ragers, I don't think this game would've reached that high of potential as you make it, game was lagging for 10-15 seconds after animations or changing location and Sandbox wasn't very clear on what you should be doing. Are you sure the 2019 was NTR beginning? Making Porn event was optional If I'm not remembering wrong, even in the early chapter Alvin's mother's could be shared, no? Game heavy Sharing shift was mostly around mid-chapter 4, If I'm not mistaking. I'm sorry, but if people had left the game before that mark then they would be fooling themselves about NTR making this game worse(Also, dev made those optionals better back than, ngl)because Max was still the main focus back then, no reason leaving over 2-3 optional content, no?

Also, I don't want to shit on other dev in a completely irrelevant thread, but agreed on Killer7 content getting more than it deserves, far better HS games out there, that one was just boring to me.

That's great you have a lot of opinions and you are welcome to them but your opinions aren't facts. He presented facts.
What you do with them is up to you but you ain't a seer and you don't know what would have happened or not.
There is empirical data that suggests he would've continued his growth like other developers though but we'll never know now.
Also admitting proven fact that it was bad for business did not quell the ragers or bring people back.
Good on him to learn his lesson though and admit it. (If he really did learn anything.)

 

[fajiker145]

Dev Response seems to quell the ragers, I don't think this game would've reached that high of potential as you make it, game was lagging for 10-15 seconds after animations or changing location and Sandbox wasn't very clear on what you should be doing. Are you sure the 2019 was NTR beginning? Making Porn event was optional If I'm not remembering wrong, even in the early chapter Alvin's mother's could be shared, no? Game heavy Sharing shift was mostly around mid-chapter 4, If I'm not mistaking. I'm sorry, but if people had left the game before that mark then they would be fooling themselves about NTR making this game worse(Also, dev made those optionals better back than, ngl)because Max was still the main focus back then, no reason leaving over 2-3 optional content, no?

Also, I don't want to shit on other dev in a completely irrelevant thread, but agreed on Killer7 content getting more than it deserves, far better HS games out there, that one was just boring to me.

Yeah I am sure, you can bother a few second and check the thread to see for yourself.
But if even the dev himself admitting this shit is not enough then what is lmaoo. Have a nice day, dude. We just wasting our time here

 

[Griev]

Also, I never claimed he lost 90% of support though and I never said that, I was calling bullshit on you saying adding ntr doesnt have much of an effect when this game's decadence is the living proof that it does. This was one of the best games back in 2019 earning close to 1000 per month, it was out there with other greats, if it hadnt gone to shit it would have kept growing like most other games, thats why I posted how games that also started close to this one kept growing and didnt experience this harsh drop in earnings.
If you want to pretend that kugazzer doing a 180 on a game that was having great success
had no effect then be my guest, the data is there and it shows what happened,
no point in discussing with someone so delusional.
Hell, even Kugazzer himself admitted it was a mistake to do it and surely cries tears of blood when he sees other creators that were below him at the time and are now earning 6x more than him or much more than that even lmao. Because thats what happens when you are working on a project, you expect it to grow consistently, if the tendency shows that you are doing worst everyday or show no growth at all in the span of 5 fucking years then you are doing/or did something wrong.

You are still arguing a point I didn't make. I even spelled it out to you a second time that the issue I spoke about was PATRONS and the fact that saying he lost 90% of his fans was FALSE. You're arguing a completely separate point from that, and provided graphs that supported the point you were making but not refuting mine. You keep saying he lost money, but I never said he didn't, I said he didn't lose 90% of his patrons and his patron count was steady over 5 years. All that other shit you typed was a waste of time, arguing against shadows.

I have a question to those that have been here since before NTR and HATE that NTR was added. Why are yall still here? Keep in mind I'm not saying y'all can't be here, who tf am I right? I'm asking why are you still following a project you clearly dislike? Is it to stop others from enjoying it? Are you just hate playing all the updates now? Is it to run off new fans before they download?