BlasKyau

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You are still arguing a point I didn't make. I even spelled it out to you a second time that the issue I spoke about was PATRONS and the fact that saying he lost 90% of his fans was FALSE. You're arguing a completely separate point from that, and provided graphs that supported the point you were making but not refuting mine. You keep saying he lost money, but I never said he didn't, I said he didn't lose 90% of his patrons and his patron count was steady over 5 years. All that other shit you typed was a waste of time, arguing against shadows.

I have a question to those that have been here since before NTR and HATE that NTR was added. Why are yall still here? Keep in mind I'm not saying y'all can't be here, who tf am I right? I'm asking why are you still following a project you clearly dislike? Is it to stop others from enjoying it? Are you just hate playing all the updates now? Is it to run off new fans before they download?
Well, I arrived when chapter 5 was starting. And if I continue here it's simply because the Dev commented that in the future he will make a version of the game without anything of NTR, sharing, or actually other guys fucking (LIs or random girls)
 
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Xythurr

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You are still arguing a point I didn't make. I even spelled it out to you a second time that the issue I spoke about was PATRONS and the fact that saying he lost 90% of his fans was FALSE. You're arguing a completely separate point from that, and provided graphs that supported the point you were making but not refuting mine. You keep saying he lost money, but I never said he didn't, I said he didn't lose 90% of his patrons and his patron count was steady over 5 years. All that other shit you typed was a waste of time, arguing against shadows.

I have a question to those that have been here since before NTR and HATE that NTR was added. Why are yall still here? Keep in mind I'm not saying y'all can't be here, who tf am I right? I'm asking why are you still following a project you clearly dislike? Is it to stop others from enjoying it? Are you just hate playing all the updates now? Is it to run off new fans before they download?
Because the dev would rather have the extra money he used to make than all his new "fans" since he went NTR and drastically lowered his prices.
It's really quite simple you used his fan count as a metric of success and pointed out how steady it has been. MONEY is the actual measurement of success and the dev even admits shit went bad for him after his little genre transition so just come off it and quit being obtuse dude.
 
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You are still arguing a point I didn't make. I even spelled it out to you a second time that the issue I spoke about was PATRONS and the fact that saying he lost 90% of his fans was FALSE. You're arguing a completely separate point from that, and provided graphs that supported the point you were making but not refuting mine. You keep saying he lost money, but I never said he didn't, I said he didn't lose 90% of his patrons and his patron count was steady over 5 years. All that other shit you typed was a waste of time, arguing against shadows.

I have a question to those that have been here since before NTR and HATE that NTR was added. Why are yall still here? Keep in mind I'm not saying y'all can't be here, who tf am I right? I'm asking why are you still following a project you clearly dislike? Is it to stop others from enjoying it? Are you just hate playing all the updates now? Is it to run off new fans before they download?
Nah, you said adding cuck shit does nothing and people exagerate its FINANCIAL IMPACT. Thats why I focused on money.
Heres you saying that dumb shit
People always over exaggerate the financial impact adding NTR to a porn game has.
And I merely showed you how full of bs you were. The 90% stuff I never mentioned, it was you talking about some other dude. And I already explained why focusing on the amount of members instead of the money earned is dumb.

As to why I am here I was just checking a game that I used to like a lot because it was mentioned in a discussion I was having with someone on discord, so I came to check it out and found the discussion full of BS and wanted to share what I knew since I was here when it all went to shit.
But no, I dont play this game. I stopped playing several years ago. And I dont care to "scare" people away from it, the game does that by itself so after this discussion it is unlikely you'll see me here again.
 
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al.shm

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Well, I arrived when chapter 5 was starting. And if I continue here it's simply because the Dev commented that in the future he will make a version of the game without anything of NTR, sharing, or actually other guys fucking (LIs or random girls)
as i talked to him yesterday he already did this for chapter 1 with some changes in game and he will do for the rest of the chapters well I must ty to u for first step
 
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Griev

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Well, I arrived when chapter 5 was starting. And if I continue here it's simply because the Dev commented that in the future he will make a version of the game without anything of NTR, sharing, or actually other guys fucking (LIs or random girls)
Ahh. I didn't start until Chapter 5 as well. Aren't the Netorase scene optional though? So you'd have to choose to see them? Why would another version need to be made when you won't see it unless you want to?

Because the dev would rather have the extra money he used to make than all his new "fans" since he went NTR and drastically lowered his prices.
It's really quite simple you used his fan count as a metric of success and pointed out how steady it has been. MONEY is the actual measurement of success and the dev even admits shit went bad for him after his little genre transition so just come off it and quit being obtuse dude.
Obtuse like claiming dev lost 90% of his patrons? LOL
TF

Nah, you said adding cuck shit does nothing and people exagerate its FINANCIAL IMPACT. Thats why I focused on money.
Heres you saying that dumb shit

And I merely showed you how full of bs you were. The 90% stuff I never mentioned, it was you talking about some other dude. And I already explained why focusing on the amount of members instead of the money earned is dumb.

As to why I am here I was just checking a game that I used to like a lot because it was mentioned in a discussion I was having with someone on discord, so I came to check it out and found the discussion full of BS and wanted to share what I knew since I was here when it all went to shit.
But no, I dont play this game. I stopped playing several years ago. And I dont care to "scare" people away from it, the game does that by itself so after this discussion it is unlikely you'll see me here again.
The reason I focused on number of patrons was , as long as that stays steady, the game will/can recover and I gave the charts to show that it was doing just that.

I don't have this game on watch, but I'm sure I'll see all you guys next update, and the after that and so on.


I think 2019 had more problems than adding NTR, I don't think that's the only reason. Chapters 2-3 were barely playable at that time, and the family content was mostly done. I don't know how many stick around after that, even the Killer7 graph you posted shows people move on when they get what they want, If it wasn't for the new game he was making the numbers would've plummeted. And if most NTR haters were gone when NTR/Sharing scenes were added, then that means NTR/Sharing expecters keeping this game afloat. I think Dev knows this fact by now, because the shift moved from Max to Home now, which is clear to see. I don't know how many older players coming here for the Max content dev is putting rn over what's happening at home.
Looking back at it, he had that Daz Max's life remake and people that were interested in that game may have dropped off after he abandoned it. You may be right about there being more reasons for any decline, but correlation is not causation so I don't want push that personally. But you thought that it was more than one reason makes more sense, because if it was JUST NTR then there wouldn't be people coming back since there even more NTR now
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Ahh. I didn't start until Chapter 5 as well. Aren't the Netorase scene optional though? So you'd have to choose to see them? Why would another version need to be made when you won't see it unless you want to?


Obtuse like claiming dev lost 90% of his patrons? LOL
TF


The reason I focused on number of patrons was , as long as that stays steady, the game will/can recover and I gave the charts to show that it was doing just that.

I don't have this game on watch, but I'm sure I'll see all you guys next update, and the after that and so on.



Looking back at it, he had that Daz Max's life remake and people that were interested in that game may have dropped off after he abandoned it. You may be right about there being more reasons for any decline, but correlation is not causation so I don't want push that personally. But you thought that it was more than one reason makes more sense, because if it was JUST NTR then there wouldn't be people coming back since there even more NTR now
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The game is in no way recovering the profitability it already lost and chapter 5 is the last one according to the dev. Just come off it man you've already been proven wrong it's OK.
I'm glad you like it but the facts are what they are.
EDIT: If you had bothered to use the search function you would know the game doesn't flow right and shit bleeds through even with NTR toggled off. That's why he said he'll redo them.
 

BlasKyau

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Ahh. I didn't start until Chapter 5 as well. Aren't the Netorase scene optional though? So you'd have to choose to see them? Why would another version need to be made when you won't see it unless you want to?
I tried to start chapter 5 saying that I didn't want NTR, but the summary of the previous episodes included quite a few scenes of other guys fucking. So I didn't even finish the summary.

And I'll only try the game again when I'm sure I can make the only guy who has sex scenes (with the LIs or any other girls) be the MC. And the LIs don't think about other guys at any time, and all the NTR/shared feeling disappears from the game.
 

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I tried to start chapter 5 saying that I didn't want NTR, but the summary of the previous episodes included quite a few scenes of other guys fucking. So I didn't even finish the summary.

And I'll only try the game again when I'm sure I can make the only guy who has sex scenes (with the LIs or any other girls) be the MC. And the LIs don't think about other guys at any time, and all the NTR/shared feeling disappears from the game.
Ahhh ok. So even if you choose not to see any NTRS, the game forces it on you, so the choice to not see it doesn't really matter?
Well that sucks.

I had to stop playing Ravenous because I just wanted to interact with the adults, and chose to disable all loli stuff, but they still show it. So I can understand why you'd be against playing until its changed. Hope you find summin cool to play until then!
 
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Ahhh ok. So even if you choose not to see any NTRS, the game forces it on you, so the choice to not see it doesn't really matter?
Well that sucks.

I had to stop playing Ravenous because I just wanted to interact with the adults, and chose to disable all loli stuff, but they still show it. So I can understand why you'd be against playing until its changed. Hope you find summin cool to play until then!
Thanks for understanding that part now imagine the toggle not working and he also added NTR after the game had been in development for a few years.
He took peoples money for one kind of game and pulled the rug out from under them.
 

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Looking back at it, he had that Daz Max's life remake and people that were interested in that game may have dropped off after he abandoned it. You may be right about there being more reasons for any decline, but correlation is not causation so I don't want push that personally. But you thought that it was more than one reason makes more sense, because if it was JUST NTR then there wouldn't be people coming back since there even more NTR now
NTR would still have those no-ending arguments regardless. I think that Kuggazer made a good decision adding sharing scenes, but his way of implementing could def be better without touching the "mental cuck" people's ire and now he is trying to salvage stuff, this is always a hot topic. I think Kugga is making his best HS renders yet, but people focus on other things, and I feel sorry for him. Started this game around the end of chapter 2 with incest-harem, but no denying his work improved much more even with sharing-ntr stuff people like to parrot about(which is more exciting part of the game rn, because Max's content was getting dull.)

I hope these comments do not demotivate him, because his HS renders became great, I'll miss him a lot if he leaves the Honey Select completely in the future.
 
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NTR would still have those no-ending arguments regardless. I think that Kuggazer made a good decision adding sharing scenes, but his way of implementing could def be better without touching the "mental cuck" people's ire and now he is trying to salvage stuff, this is always a hot topic. I think Kugga is making his best HS renders yet, but people focus on other things, and I feel sorry for him. Started this game around the end of chapter 2 with incest-harem, but no denying his work improved much more even with sharing-ntr stuff people like to parrot about(which is more exciting part of the game rn, because Max's content was getting dull.)

I hope these comments do not demotivate him, because his HS renders became great, I'll miss him a lot if he leaves the Honey Select completely in the future.
We get it you got bored. Everybody else that like the content he was making didn't.
Your opinion on the best content he's ever made is not a fact.
 
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We get it you got bored. Everybody else that like the content he was making didn't.
Your opinion on the best content he's ever made is not a fact.
Pal, you love to stay and talk about content you hate a lot it seems. You okay? Why are you here commenting for 4 pages if you so detest the game's state? I never said my opinion was a fact either, but why are you talking for everybody else? Being loud does not make you right either, you said don't reply to me, but you're still here getting my comments to the heart, I don't mind if you don't like NTR content, it's fine, but why are you spewing negativity all over the thread still? While me saying Max content getting dull was obviously not a fact, but an opinion, you ringing the bells and saying "the game is dead!" does not make you right either. Hope you have a wonderful time, g'day or night.
 
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BlasKyau

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NTR would still have those no-ending arguments regardless. I think that Kuggazer made a good decision adding sharing scenes, but his way of implementing could def be better without touching the "mental cuck" people's ire and now he is trying to salvage stuff, this is always a hot topic. I think Kugga is making his best HS renders yet, but people focus on other things, and I feel sorry for him. Started this game around the end of chapter 2 with incest-harem, but no denying his work improved much more even with sharing-ntr stuff people like to parrot about(which is more exciting part of the game rn, because Max's content was getting dull.)

I hope these comments do not demotivate him, because his HS renders became great, I'll miss him a lot if he leaves the Honey Select completely in the future.
It's okay that you like it. But even if it is the most interesting part for you, I'm not going to like it. We each have different tastes.
 

Xythurr

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Pal, you love to stay and talk about content you hate a lot it seems. You okay? Why are you here commenting for 4 pages if you so detest the game's state? I never said my opinion was a fact either, but why are you talking for everybody else? Being loud does not make you right either, you said don't reply to me, but you're still here getting my comments to the heart, I don't mind if you don't like NTR content, it's fine, but why are you spewing negativity all over the thread still? While me saying Max content getting dull was obviously not a fact, but an opinion, you ringing the bells and saying "the game is dead!" does not make you right either. Hope you have a wonderful time, g'day or night.
I never said the game is dead and you weren't stating things as opinion. People can read your posts for themselves.
You have a good night too little buddy. ;)
 

killed_kaykay

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According to Walkthrough (Chapter 2) -
Common 3 -If everything goes well, when you get up in the morning, your mother must come to your room telling you Alvin came to visit you. If not try going to Sophia’s house and make Alvin spy on you doing something with his mother some more. -Fuck your mom, go meet Alvin outside your house +1ML -Go Alvin home, speak with his father but he doesn’t let you enter.

i have done everthing with elena and natalie still Alvin doesnt show up. Is There a Bug ?
Elena Score: 4EL, 7EC Natalie Score: 11NC

I have already tried all bug fixes of Chapter 2, Still Alvin Doesn't show up?
Am i missing something?
 
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According to Walkthrough (Chapter 2) -
Common 3 -If everything goes well, when you get up in the morning, your mother must come to your room telling you Alvin came to visit you. If not try going to Sophia’s house and make Alvin spy on you doing something with his mother some more. -Fuck your mom, go meet Alvin outside your house +1ML -Go Alvin home, speak with his father but he doesn’t let you enter.

i have done everthing with elena and natalie still Alvin doesnt show up. Is There a Bug ?
Elena Score: 4EL, 7EC Natalie Score: 11NC

I have already tried all bug fixes of Chapter 2, Still Alvin Doesn't show up?
Am i missing something?
Did u used any save? cuse game stuck in bug if u do that if not u should w8 for remake because chapter 2 is unplayable
 
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killed_kaykay

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Did u used any save? cuse game stuck in bug if u do that if not u should w8 for remake because chapter 2 is unplayable
Is it really unplayable? if yes then i should just stop wasting my time.
Also, I think the main problem lies somewhere in the Update018.rpy file which is located in scripts folder.
 
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