Bahamut Zero

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You are partially correct. Mom and Steve don't actually fuck in that scene.
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So at least so far, none of the girls have actual sex with other men unless Max says they can. The most they do is foreplay. You can argue if that is NTR or not, but the main thing is Max doesnt get his feelings hurt at any point, and he's not on a relationship with any of them, so to me calling that NTR is a bit much.

As for the sharing moments being too obvious, they kinda always were. But you are correct that the dev is caring less and less about the non-sharing route, like I said in the previous comment. "NTR on" is 100% the way the dev intends you to play ch 4. "NTR off" is basically cut scenes and cut dialogue (I check both routes). I don't like it either, but that's what the game has become.
If it weren't for the fact that he himself canonized that the canonical game is the one without share/NTR, however eh. Let's make it clear. So the developer should shed some light on his followers. Because like this i think that many patreon can go away if i do not make the thing more clear in future. I already see and hear some people say they don't like this direction. And that if he does not clarify the two paths well, many could leave the patreon. This is why I suggest being impartial with both paths. Because he cannot suddenly change the cards on the table only for the latest arrivals. When the game was born without sharing/NTR things.
I still have the latest version of chapter 1 of 12 saved in my archives and there was really no mention of any of this. Also in chapter two. Only in the remastered is mentioned. This all started only towards the end / beginning of chapter 3. So I sincerely hope the developer doesn't make any mistakes. I have been following this game for years now and I would hate to read that now the game is canon to the ntrs. So really hope he start to make the No Ntr path more better...

Also another things to clear is that max is in relationship with all his family! Its wrong to say he is not in relationship. In every chapter he say that them are his love... so really is wrong to say that they ar not.
Plus something that ppl need to understand is that the ntr not only go on the MC feeling, but also on the player. Is the player who is affect about the anger feeling.
Anyway i hope that everything go well with the next update
 
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If it weren't for the fact that he himself canonized that the canonical game is the one without share/NTR, however eh. Let's make it clear. So the developer should shed some light on his followers. Because like this i think that many patreon can go away if i do not make the thing more clear in future. I already see and hear some people say they don't like this direction. And that if he does not clarify the two paths well, many could leave the patreon. This is why I suggest being impartial with both paths. Because he cannot suddenly change the cards on the table only for the latest arrivals. When the game was born without sharing/NTR things.
I still have the latest version of chapter 1 of 12 saved in my archives and there was really no mention of any of this. Also in chapter two. Only in the remastered is mentioned. This all started only towards the end / beginning of chapter 3. So I sincerely hope the developer doesn't make any mistakes. I have been following this game for years now and I would hate to read that now the game is canon to the ntrs. So really hope he start to make the No Ntr path more better...

Also another things to clear is that max is in relationship with all his family! Its wrong to say he is not in relationship. In every chapter he say that them are his love... so really is wrong to say that they ar not.
Plus something that ppl need to understand is that the ntr not only go on the MC feeling, but also on the player. Is the player who is affect about the anger feeling.
Anyway i hope that everything go well with the next update
Don't know how long ago he said non NTR was canon, but I can say for sure that is no longer the case even if he says otherwise. Actions speak louder than words, and if you actually play both paths, its pretty clear which one is getting more attention.
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Not to mention the fact that even in NTR Off, you are forced to share Jessica in this update. Of course she's not one of the main girls, but it just shows the dev doesn't care that much anymore if you don't like that stuff.

And then there's the "NTR off" exclusive bugs. In this update, at least for me, "NTR off" crashes during the Bea x Junior x Alicia scene. Runs fine with "NTR On". A few updates ago, in the other Yacht trip, I couldn't progress with "NTR Off". I actually had to switch it to On so I could watch Rita's movie and move on with the plot.

Plus "NTR Off" has several inconsistencies. Like despite the fact the girls only have sex with Max, they're totally fine with making physical contact with other dudes while naked.

If you check both paths, it's pretty clear that the sharing route is the intended way to play. Maybe ignorance is a bliss in this case. More and more "NTR Off" is just becoming an incoherent edit of the actual game which the dev is forced to do to appease everyone. Sad but true.
 

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does anyone know if there should be a guide on pc in chapter 2 or have we just got the walkthrough to follow
 

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so the chapter 3 is finished? asking to decide what to download

I have to say this is one of my favorite games after playing more than 100. Congrats!
 

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Don't know how long ago he said non NTR was canon, but I can say for sure that is no longer the case even if he says otherwise. Actions speak louder than words, and if you actually play both paths, its pretty clear which one is getting more attention.
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Not to mention the fact that even in NTR Off, you are forced to share Jessica in this update. Of course she's not one of the main girls, but it just shows the dev doesn't care that much anymore if you don't like that stuff.

And then there's the "NTR off" exclusive bugs. In this update, at least for me, "NTR off" crashes during the Bea x Junior x Alicia scene. Runs fine with "NTR On". A few updates ago, in the other Yacht trip, I couldn't progress with "NTR Off". I actually had to switch it to On so I could watch Rita's movie and move on with the plot.

Plus "NTR Off" has several inconsistencies. Like despite the fact the girls only have sex with Max, they're totally fine with making physical contact with other dudes while naked.

If you check both paths, it's pretty clear that the sharing route is the intended way to play. Maybe ignorance is a bliss in this case. More and more "NTR Off" is just becoming an incoherent edit of the actual game which the dev is forced to do to appease everyone. Sad but true.
That's why I was saying that some patreons I've heard have complained a little bit about it. Some friends I know who are patreons are no longer very convinced of the direction it is taking... and is sad because this developer know very well how pleasure ppl. Many have begun to see that for a few updates, he has focused a little too much on share/NTR. Especially from some things you said yourself. Cut some scene and poorly finished scenes in the no NTR version. I remember that in the past he didn't cut, but gave the same space to both.
For example: take for example the scene of the mother with Steve. In the past he would not only remove Steve, but he would make sure that the mother would come back to the room and they would end up having a threesome Max/The mother/Joise.

Now in this update he cut here and there. Also the pissing scene where Nicole without ask anything to Max, she just go there in the whell event and piss in Bruno mouth. I also had pissing off, but the pissing scene is always there... and there is no choice to not let her piss in Bruno mouth. Anyway i play every update with NTR off and me game go well without any problem.
The problem with the other girls (no harem girls/women) depend of how Kuggazer wants to handle it. Because the way they have been used in these updates, it means that they cannot become future love interests. Because no NTR would let in the blonde or the others who have been fucked by everyone in these updates. He practically burned a lot of girls.
As you say is sad. I can only hope the he return to making impartial events and give the right space to both. As I see it, it should put the shared/ntr aside a bit and focus on the No NTR for a while. After that it has to become impartial and work on both paths in the exact same way. If you do 100% things on one path, you must have 100% on the other as well. In this update i feel like 80%/100%. there were scenes where I basically kept clicking to go forward. Because you see a little too much male dicks. And it bothered me a lot. And my excitement has dropped a lot. Otherwise I'm sorry to say... but I find it hard for him to stick with all the active fans he has now.

First let's see how he fix the bugs that have been noticed in this version. I'm talking about those in the gallery. In case maybe he could even fix those two scenes we're talking about. Even if I see it hard. Then for the future we will see how he intends to carry things forward :)
 
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That's why I was saying that some patreons I've heard have complained a little bit about it. Some friends I know who are patreons are no longer very convinced of the direction it is taking... and is sad because this developer know very well how pleasure ppl. Many have begun to see that for a few updates, he has focused a little too much on share/NTR. Especially from some things you said yourself. Cut some scene and poorly finished scenes in the no NTR version. I remember that in the past he didn't cut, but gave the same space to both.
For example: take for example the scene of the mother with Steve. In the past he would not only remove Steve, but he would make sure that the mother would come back to the room and they would end up having a threesome Max/The mother/Joise.

Now in this update he cut here and there. Also the pissing scene where Nicole without ask anything to Max, she just go there in the whell event and piss in Bruno mouth. I also had pissing off, but the pissing scene is always there... and there is no choice to not let her piss in Bruno mouth. Anyway i play every update with NTR off and me game go well without any problem.
The problem with the other girls (no harem girls/women) depend of how Kuggazer wants to handle it. Because the way they have been used in these updates, it means that they cannot become future love interests. Because no NTR would let in the blonde or the others who have been fucked by everyone in these updates. He practically burned a lot of girls.
As you say is sad. I can only hope the he return to making impartial events and give the right space to both. As I see it, it should put the shared/ntr aside a bit and focus on the No NTR for a while. After that it has to become impartial and work on both paths in the exact same way. If you do 100% things on one path, you must have 100% on the other as well. In this update i feel like 80%/100%. there were scenes where I basically kept clicking to go forward. Because you see a little too much male dicks. And it bothered me a lot. And my excitement has dropped a lot. Otherwise I'm sorry to say... but I find it hard for him to stick with all the active fans he has now.

First let's see how he fix the bugs that have been noticed in this version. I'm talking about those in the gallery. In case maybe he could even fix those two scenes we're talking about. Even if I see it hard. Then for the future we will see how he intends to carry things forward :)
I agree with your every word, but something tells me that Kuggazer doesn't give a damn about any of this.
 

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It's sad... There are so many women on the yacht that I would love to see in scenes with the MC but they're never involved in any of the good scenes.

Edit: What the actual fuck was THAT? Roxy, Cherry and Ana were near the top of that list of side characters I was talking about there ^ whom I wish there was more content with and what happens? They apparently gangbanged that little shit Steve.

I have NTR off normally but I just got to the end of this update and what the hell happened? Even with NTR off** I still got forced into the scene of Steve fucking Roxy while the MC was relegated to one of the women with a more masculine body than his own (which made this whole sequence even less enjoyable.)
Finally, to top it all off we skip the scene that resulted in this
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and we only get to see the aftermath, because who would ever have wanted to see the events that led to that situation? Right guys?


At this rate I'm giving what was once one of my favorite VNs one more chance before I cancel my patreon subscription. The only reason I'm giving one more chance is the inclusion of the scene with Amanda, that seemed more like the older chapters of the game (fucking the girl that was with some random dudes right in front of him). Nevertheless, with the porno presumably happening in the next update and goddamned Steve being one of the main actors I'm not super confident that the Dev won't release some bullshit update like, an the whole thing being centered around the MC doing nothing but setting up girls for Steve.


Edit 2: I was about to post about how I just got to the scene with Ana and Cherry and I was going to say that it almost makes up for Alisia and the MC's Aunt suddenly deciding to call up some random dude to grind on.

I was... Then I hit the part where for no reason Cherry decides to have every guy present INSTEAD OF the MC, when did this game shift from being the MC dealing with problems (usually solved by introducing his dick into the situation) while sorta unintentionally assembling a large number of the women in the city into a harem and turn into some sort of NTR/"sharing" project.

At this point I won't be surprised if Kuggazer continues more or less in this direction until eventually either he loses all those subscribers on patreon or the updates get worse about this change until they're nothing but Steve and the women treating the MC like a cuckold, whichever happens first.

**It's just AWESOME how many scenes get cut out of recent updates if you have NTR turned off by the way. Before I read some of the recent replies I didn't even know that the no-NTR option results in less content. This whole time I had been supporting this on Patreon never knowing that I was missing out on scenes just because I preferred to not watch that bullshit.
 
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It's sad... There are so many women on the yacht that I would love to see in scenes with the MC but they're never involved in any of the good scenes.

Edit: What the actual fuck was THAT? Roxy, Cherry and Ana were near the top of that list of side characters I was talking about there ^ whom I wish there was more content with and what happens? They apparently gangbanged that little shit Steve.

I have NTR off normally but I just got to the end of this update and what the hell happened? Even with NTR off** I still got forced into the scene of Steve fucking Roxy while the MC was relegated to one of the women with a more masculine body than his own (which made this whole sequence even less enjoyable.)
Finally, to top it all off we skip the scene that resulted in this
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and we only get to see the aftermath, because who would ever have wanted to see the events that led to that situation? Right guys?


At this rate I'm giving what was once one of my favorite VNs one more chance before I cancel my patreon subscription. The only reason I'm giving one more chance is the inclusion of the scene with Amanda, that seemed more like the older chapters of the game (fucking the girl that was with some random dudes right in front of him). Nevertheless, with the porno presumably happening in the next update and goddamned Steve being one of the main actors I'm not super confident that the Dev won't release some bullshit update like, an the whole thing being centered around the MC doing nothing but setting up girls for Steve.


Edit 2: I was about to post about how I just got to the scene with Ana and Cherry and I was going to say that it almost makes up for Alisia and the MC's Aunt suddenly deciding to call up some random dude to grind on.

I was... Then I hit the part where for no reason Cherry decides to have every guy present INSTEAD OF the MC, when did this game shift from being the MC dealing with problems (usually solved by introducing his dick into the situation) while sorta unintentionally assembling a large number of the women in the city into a harem and turn into some sort of NTR/"sharing" project.

At this point I won't be surprised if Kuggazer continues more or less in this direction until eventually either he loses all those subscribers on patreon or the updates get worse about this change until they're nothing but Steve and the women treating the MC like a cuckold, whichever happens first.

**It's just AWESOME how many scenes get cut out of recent updates if you have NTR turned off by the way. Before I read some of the recent replies I didn't even know that the no-NTR option results in less content. This whole time I had been supporting this on Patreon never knowing that I was missing out on scenes just because I preferred to not watch that bullshit.
It's just a game. Do you really care who's fucking with who? You could see the missing scenes just by using UnRen
 

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It's just a game. Do you really care who's fucking with who? You could see the missing scenes just by using UnRen
I don't feel like getting into the the subject of NTR and why I (and a not insignificant number of people who post here) strongly dislike scenarios involving it but I will say that I don't spend time playing these just to watch sex scenes with no real regard for who was participating .

If that was the only reason and it made no difference who was involved then I could save a ton of time just watching traditional porn.
 

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I don't feel like getting into the the subject of NTR and why I (and a not insignificant number of people who post here) strongly dislike scenarios involving it but I will say that I don't spend time playing these just to watch sex scenes with no real regard for who was participating .

If that was the only reason and it made no difference who was involved then I could save a ton of time just watching traditional porn.
I mean, this shouldn't be taken seriously. In this game, there is not even any choice of development of events. So it's more like watching a movie. The game has been in development for a very long time and there may already be no ideas. When all the girl in the game wants only Max, it also looks strange and quickly gets boring
 
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