Comics Collection Melissa N. Collection [2024-12-24] [Melissa N.]

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I love the name "Mollie." It's the perfect name for a fat girl. The great thing about fatties like this is they have to be more submissive because they're self-conscious about their weight. I hope Melissa leans into this angle, especially in the sex scenes. She's getting quite chunky. Can't wait to see more.
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I'm lovin' it.

Erm....

 

[misseva88]

I'm sure text can help in that you can get inner thoughts, or be able to suspend your disbelief because your imagination fills in the blanks. I think a visual format can work, but I'd say that the CG models is probably working against you in that regard. Trying to show the gradual change means doing a lot of micro adjustments and almost remaking a whole model that might just be used for a few panels. So a lot of these CG comics tend to be "slow" but the jumps between steps in the feminization are usually pretty drastic.

Also, I think a major part of Sweet Change that makes it harder to buy that the MC still thinks they aren't being feminized is just how unclear it is what the level of conditioning (if any!) is happening. If the story supported it where we understood the MC's delusions, then I'd buy it a lot more.

The problem is that it's easy for a disparity between the main character's inner thoughts and the reader can see in the visuals. So for the main character to be blind to changes in their gender appearance it rarely makes sense. To have it make sense just a tad bit we're forced to assume there is some sort of drugs, hypnosis or other form of mind control at play.

I feel there are different interpretations of the 'slow change' concept. I feel most people who like it, like the minor tweaks in a character's look and attitude to go from male to ultimately female. Such a story doesn't have to go on for hundreds of pages (nor is it necessarily bad when it does). I've probably shared it before, but Tom Reynolds'

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(aka Pauls New Curves) proves this point. It comes in at a neat 30 pages and still offers a ton of re-readability. The CG generated main character changes a lot through most of those 30 pages. I'm not saying every creator should be at Tom Reynold's level, but he does use the art to tell the story. If the art doesn't match the story, what is even the point of having all these CG models to try and enhance the story? Or the other way around, what's the point of the words if the visuals tell a different story? They should enhance one an other.

 

[rebirth095]

To have it make sense just a tad bit we're forced to assume there is some sort of drugs, hypnosis or other form of mind control at play.

I assume that if if it's going to make sense there has to be some level of either mind alteration OR the person is willing. My point about inner thoughts is that they can sell that the mind control is working and we can have a rationale for how they're able to perceive a situation as not being out of the ordinary.

For instance, I think that taken by itself, you could do a scene where with inner thoughts and pictures, the person is convinced that they're male still despite having the figure that Molly has. If they'd been mind altered to fixate on the weight growth, then they'd be upset about their "man boobs" or be worried about their sudden "bloating".

But with the makeup and in the dress and heels, that's a LOT that needs to be explained away as to how they're perceptions are missing all that. In my opinion, I think most of these types of unaware TF stories almost need a point where mentally, you transition from messing with whether they notice the change to messing with their biases so that they accept the change.

I feel there are different interpretations of the 'slow change' concept. I feel most people who like it, like the minor tweaks in a character's look and attitude to go from male to ultimately female.

Yes, but part of it is that people are also either not precise or they're using terms that don't have an agreed upon meaning. "Slow Change", "Gradual Change", "Detailed Change". All of these can refer to the same type of work or different types of works. People prefer different aspects of those. At least for me, the way I differentiate those terms are:

- A slow change can refer to either the "slowness" of the story or the "slowness" of the in universe time. As such, I tend to assume when I see people talk about "slow changes", it's basically the umbrella term for the following two terms. But the term helps differentiate between these slow changes, and fast changes (body swaps, mind possession, certain "poof!" type magic stories or sci fi "transporter accident" stories). To me, a slow change indicates there is both time and different states between the body they start with, and the body they end (or mind in the case of mental TFs).

- A gradual change is one where the transformation occurs incrementally over time. The key part of this is that we dwell on each stage of the transformation long enough for the person to react to it. Generally, this also means the transformation occurs over a lot if in-universe time.

- A detailed change is one where we are given a lot of details over each stage of the transformation.

Gradual changes and detailed changes aren't mutually exclusive.

- A gradual change that isn't detailed would like some of MelissaN's short comics. We see that there's a passage of time and we can clearly see the changes. But they aren't detailed. We know what the changes are but we don't get the sense of how they occurred.

- Conversely, a detailed change that isn't gradual are situations like a werewolf transformation or kannelart's autocloset stories. We get lots of details about every single step of the transformation and how they happened. But in-universe, the transformation takes mere minutes. And while the person reacts to the changes, they don't have a chance to reflect and internalize that change before another change occurs.

- And of course, you can have a detailed gradual change story.

All of the above doesn't refer to the length of the story. Some of these types of changes lend themselves well to longer or shorter stories, but it isn't part of my definition when I'm referring to a "slow change".

If the art doesn't match the story, what is even the point of having all these CG models to try and enhance the story? Or the other way around, what's the point of the words if the visuals tell a different story? They should enhance one an other.

True, and that's why I'm always complaining about these TG comic makers gravitating to this single panel format and not using any time compression. Or not letting the expressions tell the story. If you have a panel where a character gets corseted, and you have a picture of the process and the person is clearly wincing, you don't also need an inner thought monologue of "this corset is so tight. It's crushing my insides, etc etc". We already know that from the visuals!

 

[Jackjons]

Isn't it barrosbr used same technique,!

 

[misseva88]

For instance, I think that taken by itself, you could do a scene where with inner thoughts and pictures, the person is convinced that they're male still despite having the figure that Molly has. If they'd been mind altered to fixate on the weight growth, then they'd be upset about their "man boobs" or be worried about their sudden "bloating".

But with the makeup and in the dress and heels, that's a LOT that needs to be explained away as to how they're perceptions are missing all that. In my opinion, I think most of these types of unaware TF stories almost need a point where mentally, you transition from messing with whether they notice the change to messing with their biases so that they accept the change.

Are you talking about general stories with images, or specifically stories like Melissa's that are more like comics? Because when I was talking about the disparity between the clearly female person in A Sweet Change versus her inner thoughts I was talking about comics like that story. I feel we need a lot more text to be convinced about an obviously female presenting person to not see that she doesn't look masculine any more.

And if the CG models limit the story to be told, there should be tweaks to the story to account for those limitations.

Yes, but part of it is that people are also either not precise or they're using terms that don't have an agreed upon meaning. "Slow Change", "Gradual Change", "Detailed Change". All of these can refer to the same type of work or different types of works. People prefer different aspects of those. At least for me, the way I differentiate those terms are:

- A slow change can refer to either the "slowness" of the story or the "slowness" of the in universe time. As such, I tend to assume when I see people talk about "slow changes", it's basically the umbrella term for the following two terms. But the term helps differentiate between these slow changes, and fast changes (body swaps, mind possession, certain "poof!" type magic stories or sci fi "transporter accident" stories). To me, a slow change indicates there is both time and different states between the body they start with, and the body they end (or mind in the case of mental TFs).

- A gradual change is one where the transformation occurs incrementally over time. The key part of this is that we dwell on each stage of the transformation long enough for the person to react to it. Generally, this also means the transformation occurs over a lot if in-universe time.

- A detailed change is one where we are given a lot of details over each stage of the transformation.

Gradual changes and detailed changes aren't mutually exclusive.

- A gradual change that isn't detailed would like some of MelissaN's short comics. We see that there's a passage of time and we can clearly see the changes. But they aren't detailed. We know what the changes are but we don't get the sense of how they occurred.

- Conversely, a detailed change that isn't gradual are situations like a werewolf transformation or kannelart's autocloset stories. We get lots of details about every single step of the transformation and how they happened. But in-universe, the transformation takes mere minutes. And while the person reacts to the changes, they don't have a chance to reflect and internalize that change before another change occurs.

- And of course, you can have a detailed gradual change story.

All of the above doesn't refer to the length of the story. Some of these types of changes lend themselves well to longer or shorter stories, but it isn't part of my definition when I'm referring to a "slow change".

Well explained. I was making a general statement, not implying anything about you there.

 

[rebirth095]

Are you talking about general stories with images, or specifically stories like Melissa's that are more like comics? Because when I was talking about the disparity between the clearly female person in A Sweet Change versus her inner thoughts I was talking about comics like that story. I feel we need a lot more text to be convinced about an obviously female presenting person to not see that she doesn't look masculine any more.

And if the CG models limit the story to be told, there should be tweaks to the story to account for those limitations.

In the part you quoted, I was speaking about this specific story. To be clear:

I 100% agree with you that the story has not done a great job of illustrating how the person is able to think they don't look like a woman. I note that the story does imply some amount of mind alteration. But the text has not done a great job of showing that warped perception to sell the idea that when they look in a mirror, they're somehow able to convince themselves that they're still a man that's just gained a little weight.

More specifically, in what you quoted, my biggest criticism is that I can almost buy the idea that the little hints of mind alteration cause the MC to filter out the body changes as being weight gain. HOWEVER, what I can't buy (because I see very little evidence of in the inner thoughts NOR the steps done in the mind control) is I don't understand how he puts on makeup, dresses, and heels, and doesn't think "Hang on... this seems egregiously feminine. Not even just slightly feminine unisex clothing, but absurdly feminine".

I was making a general statement, not implying anything about you there.

Totally understand. Your comment gave me an opportunity to rant about a common thing I see in TG fiction reviews so I wanted to put my words down. Beyond "slow tfs", I think the most abused other category in terms of inaccuracy/misunderstanding is "realistic tf",

 

[misseva88]

In the part you quoted, I was speaking about this specific story. To be clear:

I 100% agree with you that the story has not done a great job of illustrating how the person is able to think they don't look like a woman. I note that the story does imply some amount of mind alteration. But the text has not done a great job of showing that warped perception to sell the idea that when they look in a mirror, they're somehow able to convince themselves that they're still a man that's just gained a little weight.

More specifically, in what you quoted, my biggest criticism is that I can almost buy the idea that the little hints of mind alteration cause the MC to filter out the body changes as being weight gain. HOWEVER, what I can't buy (because I see very little evidence of in the inner thoughts NOR the steps done in the mind control) is I don't understand how he puts on makeup, dresses, and heels, and doesn't think "Hang on... this seems egregiously feminine. Not even just slightly feminine unisex clothing, but absurdly feminine".

There are a few hints to some mind control. The boss character implying hypnosis after the salon makover ("listen to my voice", p69) is the main one. The main character forgetting her own name after that is an other one.

But other than that, I feel the story went off the rails after page 49. The image we get on page 43:


I can buy the main character still seeing himself as presenting male at this tage, being confused why people would read him as female. The breast growth is still pushing it in terms of realism in such a short time period, but he looks androgynous enough in this image to be interpreted both ways. I am generous as I'm ignoring the high heels already implemented to their life, but still.

But I'm with you (and I feel we're largely in agreement), any changes after this are difficult to rhyme with her idea of still presenting as male. Those changes are the blonde hair, the eyelash extensions, general makeup, nail extensions and multiple ear piercings. She doesn't recognise herself after her makeover and even complains to her boss she "looks like a chick". This is all probably due to that off-screen hypnosis session, but personally I think hypnosis is a cheap shortcut to have stories happen. It's a bit like a deus ex machina saving the day in a film. I suppose at the end of the day this is all just a kink story and maybe we shouldn't set the bar too high, but I think stories tend to be hotter when we can see ourselves in the main character and experience her change with her.

 

[rebirth095]

This is all probably due to that off-screen hypnosis session, but personally I think hypnosis is a cheap shortcut to have stories happen. It's a bit like a deus ex machina saving the day in a film. I suppose at the end of the day this is all just a kink story and maybe we shouldn't set the bar too high, but I think stories tend to be hotter when we can see ourselves in the main character and experience her change with her.

I don't mind hypnosis. I'll even say that personally, I think the pendulum has swung a bit too far for me in recent years where most stories try to be "realistic" but it's extremely unevenly applied. It's "realistic", but the person always (unrealistically) ends up with a body like a supermodel. It's "realistic", but the author still includes things that are just plain wrong about the subject matter (how to put on clothes, makeup, chastity equipment, sex toys, etc).

So I am personally all for a unrealistic mechanism that's very powerful to be the impetus of the plot. If we got steadily escalating suggestions and we got to see the turmoil and squirming of the main character... If we got to see how the character deludes themselves and how their mind is being warped... That would be very appealing to me.

For instance, a story like

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steps through the mental alterations and I can see how the alterations cause the character to delude themselves until they're too far gone where it doesn't even matter whether they see it or not. Granted, the physical transformation is less extreme, but given it's pacing, maybe that's what throws me off a bit about Sweet Change. Some of the scenes we're getting feel like they should have been earlier in the TF?

In any case, while the weight gain hasn't really appealed to me, I won't deny that I like the outfits.

 

[misseva88]

I don't mind hypnosis. I'll even say that personally, I think the pendulum has swung a bit too far for me in recent years where most stories try to be "realistic" but it's extremely unevenly applied. It's "realistic", but the person always (unrealistically) ends up with a body like a supermodel. It's "realistic", but the author still includes things that are just plain wrong about the subject matter (how to put on clothes, makeup, chastity equipment, sex toys, etc).

So I am personally all for a unrealistic mechanism that's very powerful to be the impetus of the plot. If we got steadily escalating suggestions and we got to see the turmoil and squirming of the main character... If we got to see how the character deludes themselves and how their mind is being warped... That would be very appealing to me.

For instance, a story like

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steps through the mental alterations and I can see how the alterations cause the character to delude themselves until they're too far gone where it doesn't even matter whether they see it or not. Granted, the physical transformation is less extreme, but given it's pacing, maybe that's what throws me off a bit about Sweet Change. Some of the scenes we're getting feel like they should have been earlier in the TF?

In any case, while the weight gain hasn't really appealed to me, I won't deny that I like the outfits.

The original Star Wars trilogy was inspired by all sorts of things. Heavy Metal magazine (Mœbius), Hinduism, Akira Kurosawa, Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers, obviously Joseph Campbell, John Carter from Mars, Dune, Isaac Asimov, Tolkien etc. The original films were inspired by a broad and diverse set of aspects, all piled together by George Lucas and his team to create Star Wars. With Lucas gone, Disney Star Wars (outside of Andor) isn't about anything. It's about Star Wars. Disney Star Wars is inspired by Star Wars and I feel that's a large part of why it doesn't hit cross-generational any more.

Many transgender transformation stories are inspired by other transgender transformation stories. Hypnosis stories appear to be inspired by other hypnosis stories and with every new story more creative liberties appear to be used to the methods and effects. I feel we're several copied copies removed from the original people describing wearing the clothes, makeup, chastity equipment and sex toys you've mentioned. It's descriptions of such minor actions and feelings that truly sell a story. While it's probably the intention of authors of the stories you're talking about to tell a realistic story, they simply don't know any better.

I hadn't read the story you linked, thank you for sharing. That's a good hypnosis story. My issue with hypnosis tends to be that it's used as a bandaid over flawed storytelling. 'Need an explanation to make a transition make sense? Hypnosis!' Joe Six-Packs

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is a story I really enjoy, but I feel hurts a lot from the hypnosis angle. Take it out and there's some mumbo science to forgive, but I think it works much better. So that's why I generalise in saying I don't really feel hypnosis stories, as I tend not to like how it's applied. Like it's tacked on afterwards. Date Coach has it be an integral part of the story, which makes it work much better.
But hey, I'm just an audience of one. I'm perfectly fine being in the minority, or even if an other minor group does enjoy it. I don't want to sink anyone's boat here.

 

[rebirth095]

I hadn't read the story you linked, thank you for sharing.

Glad you liked it! That Author has a few stories that had some ideas I really liked, even if sometimes the actual execution didn't quite deliver. FYI, they also have TG stories on fictionmania, in addition to the mind control ones on MCstories. On MCstories,

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has always stuck with me and has some of the age change elements I was looking for from Job for a Milf.

I feel we're several copied copies removed from the original people describing wearing the clothes, makeup, chastity equipment and sex toys you've mentioned. It's descriptions of such minor actions and feelings that truly sell a story. While it's probably the intention of authors of the stories you're talking about to tell a realistic story, they simply don't know any better.

To a certain extent, I'm willing to be a little bit forgiving. When I was first writing TG fiction, I was barely a teen, living with my parents and beyond secretly trying on a pair of heels that didn't fit, I didn't have access nor the guts to be crossdressing and trying out most of the outfits that are in these stories. So I had to read up about it from what other people wrote. So I can be sympathetic to young writers who are getting into the genre for the first time and don't have much first hand experience.

However, something VERY different from when I first started is that there's just so much more information readily accessible. In 10 seconds, you can find video tutorials on how to walk in heels, how to put on makeup, how to tuck, etc. It's so different compared to when I was a kid.

And maybe this is me getting judgemental as I get older, but I've gotten the distinct impression that there's almost an apathy by a lot of young writers towards doing it "right" and instead they'd rather do it "quickly". Couple that with people just not reading much anymore means that a lot of young writers have a much more limited toolset (vocabulary, experience, and worldly experience) to draw upon for their writing.

Something that really stood out to me was when I was randomly recommended a GameTheory video. And the host said something that baffled me. He mentioned that he loves consuming pop culture because by consuming all this pop culture he can see the patterns and uses that for his analysis, since the answer HAS to be one of these tropes. And that was incredibly reductive to me. First off, as you mentioned, if you restrict your experience and breadth of knowledge to only contemporary pop culture, you're not going to be able to go very deep. It's going to be a very superficial analysis.

And regarding TG and feminization fiction, I think a lot of younger writers have gotten "stuck" on the same very superficial elements. TG/feminization by checklist if you will. Don't get me wrong: I can find "permanent" changes really sexy in a "no going back" sort of way. Permanently removing body hair or having makeup tatooed on has its appeal. But there's so many stories where the character shaves their legs once, or puts on their makeup once and it's as if they just look perfect like that from now on. Just some acknowledgement that there's been a change to routine would be nice. But half the time it's like we're speedrunning the feminization despite pretending it's a "realistic" story.

 

[Thalantyr]

The next part of AM is up on

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. We're finally getting to the meat of Nikos' involvement...
Horny asshole theory is still in full effect.

 

[rebirth095]

Good lord, if this was meant to make Nikos seem more sympathetic, it's not working for me. He just gets creepier and creepier. Like real incel levels of entitlement. Visits and creeps on Elena while she's unconscious but not when she's actually up. Real victim blaming energy, as if it's Elena's problem he's lonely and he's attracted to her. Every bit of his desires are superficial (how attractive Elena is).

And after hearing all this, Andrew decides to double down? Good lord, even if he couldn't foresee the amnesia, how the hell is this a good plan?!

There's the tiniest lip service paid towards Marina's feelings. Considering all the following actions and the fact that he speedruns past her to get to his own feelings, I can't exactly give him credit for it. But I'm glad the story is finally acknowledging it.

I'm genuinely confused why Elena thinks about how Eva and Sofia didn't tell Nikos about Seferi's history... and then proceeds to herself not tell him about Seferi and his history to prove to Nikos how dangerous Toska is. It's not like she's trying to keep up appearances; she's already publicly talking about Toska. So why wouldn't you lay out all the cards? Seems better than lying more. But to the story's credit, that's in character for Andrew from what we've learned. When there's an opportunity for a smart action, he'll pick the worse, more complicated choice every single time.

Some major takeaways to me:

1) Nikos is really emphasizing his attraction to Elena's femininity. It's pretty clear he's attracted to people presenting as women. This doesn't rule out an underlying feminization fetish, but it's pretty consistent with how he's treated Elena.

2) My interpretation of the *sigh* Elena gives in response to Nikos professing his love, coupled with her expression, is that she does not actually reciprocate. That doesn't read to me as a "heart flutter" sigh, but a "disappointed I need to manipulate this man" sigh.

3) I'm not entirely sure if this is meant to be the reveal of what Nikos said about Elena when she refused penetrative sex:



In the past, I assumed this dialogue referred to something they talked about during the amnesia. But "I'm also in love with you", doesn't really make sense to me in this context. Looking back, I'm willing to chalk this up as not being meant to set up a mystery, but just a bit of clunky dialogue meant to convey that he thought she was ready for sex, and decide to vocalize his confusion.

4) Looking at this again, and reading the latest part, I'm actually a bit confused as to whether Nikos thinks Elena was in an accident or not. He realizes she went through surgery. But did he think Elena signed up for those herself, or that she was in an accident and then went "while I'm already here, might as well get my dick cut off!"?

 

[Thalantyr]

"while I'm already here, might as well get my dick cut off!"?

As Melissa's characters are oft wont to say:
When in doubt, get that dick cut out!

After all, you can always have it reversed later. Right?






RIGHT?!

 

[Stevedore100]

I'm gonna defend Nikos here a bit....he starts off here saying no way to Elena's "we have to be h&w at all times" because of his daughters AND Marina; he even proposes to blow off the Toska deal. Only then does he go into the rather icky " your kinda hot" spiel. And makes some vague and weird talk about not being allowed to have a partner (fits in with gay Nikos theory).
Then Elena admits to liking Nikos! Which seems a little strange, she has hardly interacted with him at this point in the story, but... whatever. Anyway mutual attraction. What to do, what to do?

I think what's next is Andrew's story to Nikos about what is wrong with the Andrew/Marina relationship that had Marina and Nikos pissed at Elena. If that happens here, it is the excuse these two need to pursue their relationship with less guilt (in theory) over Marina.

Some of the dialogue here was a bit strained, like Melissa is trying to provide clues, but not give it away - the talk about Seferi and Nikos attempt at explaining his family and romantic relationships both were a little off.

 

[Alicia Mae]

Ah, horn dog Nikos. I knew it was you all along!

My new working theory is that the girls are the primary driving force behind everything. They saw how Nikos was smitten with Elena. Nikos never settled down because he didn’t feel a spark with other women. But now that he has it, they’re determined to keep the two together.

The girls pretend to not see Theodora in the street when they past her in Chapter 10. They gaslight her the rest of this scene with the “of course you’re a woman” talk, so it makes sense that they’d lie to her there too. I’ve always found that quick dismissal pretty odd. This also gives me reason to suspect one of them deleted the footage of Joanna drugging Elena at the clinic. As members of the beautification field, they may have a connection with somebody in the building for easy access.

Then the girls edit the list of procedures with the doctor to make sure she’s even more feminine for their dad to drool over. Maybe suggest some things to the doctor that “mom had mentioned, but was too nervous to ask for”.

They pretend that there is danger at home by planting a camera. They hire an actor with a gun to threaten Marina, and another actor to save her- hoping that his bravery will pull Marina further from their precious new mommy. They even have the actor’s picture presented to Elena in the hospital so Seferi can “confirm” he’s a threat.

Meanwhile, Nikos is convinced that all of the procedures are reversible… Somehow. If we accept this as true, it means either the girls knew and don’t want to scare him, or that Marina is the only one that knows at this point. I doubt that.

I think it’s more likely that Marina didn’t know the surgeries were permanent at first, since she doesn’t react that way in the clinic. And then when she talks to her cousin about Elena and Nikos out on the water alone, the cousin tells her that Elena got her little dick snipped so she could finally be her true self. She probably also shares with her that Elena told Nikos she was in love with him. I’m guessing somehow that got back to the cousins, and then Marina. Which is why I’m the current part of the timeline, Marina and Nikos are angry at each other.

If the girls are working with James and Joanna, it also gives them the means to distract Marina and drug Elena without actually doing so themselves.

In a really dark and twisted way it’s kind of sweet lol. Elena is literally made for Nikos, because he wouldn’t be happy with just any woman. And she is a goddess in his eyes- a perfect woman.

 

[rebirth095]

My new working theory is that the girls are the primary driving force behind everything. They saw how Nikos was smitten with Elena. Nikos never settled down because he didn’t feel a spark with other women. But now that he has it, they’re determined to keep the two together.

We go back to motive, means and opportunity.

Motive: They want to make Daddy happy.
- I this is possible, but it's not a particularly strong motive. Generally, I don't feel as if we've had particularly strong characterization that the sisters are that devoted to their father. So I'd find such a "selfless" motive to be a bit unbelievable, but I can see how this kind of motive could work.

Means: Assuming they have access to daddy's checkbook, then the money part might be possible. I doubt their salon business is enough to fund the surgery, and paying off all the people involved in the conspiracy. However, the other part of the "means" is, how did they have all these contacts in the first place? They seem to have on speed dial a lot of crucial people for this plot to work.

Opportunity: And this is where it really falls apart for me: Based on this theory, this wasn't preplanned. The sisters decided to feminize Andrew after seeing that Nikos was interested. If that's the case, this means that shortly after that first meeting with Toska, they made connections with Seferi, Roan, Joanna, and others, not to mention the doctor, to pull this off. If Roan and James are just paid off actors, then Seferi needs to be involved.

So I feel there's a bit of a contradiction here. From an opportunity standpoint, the plot doesn't seem possible unless this was preplanned. Crucial things like Joanna initially drugging Elena during the Toska meeting, Nikos suggesting Andrew dress up, or how Seferi is involved in the plot seem to necessitate some plan involving feminizing Andrew from the start. But if that's the case, then that works against the motive, because there's no way the sister's could have anticipated Nikos being attracted to Elena.

And honestly, the more I think about it, the less Nikos' attraction to Elena makes sense to me, and the less it makes sense to me to be using Andrew specifically for this. Fine, let's say he's got a kink for transwomen. You're telling me (especially in a setting where the medical tech is this advanced), neither the daughters nor Nikos were able to find a single transwoman? If Nikos is "picky" about her physical appearance (which it almost doesn't seem as if he is), then he can afford to give her whatever surgeries she (and him) wants! This whole "woe is me, I'm so lonely" but fixating on Elena's looks is... weird.

Now, obviously a lot of feminization stories can have the issue of answering the question "why are we feminizing a man instead of finding a woman, or even a willing man"? And usually, that can have a reasonable answer of either:

- The person doing the feminization has the primary motive of doing the feminization. Hooking that person up with someone else is a byproduct, not the actual motive

Or

- They trust that the person they're feminizing is easier to control than an "outsider".

The main problem for me here is that the sisters simply haven't known Andrew long enough for the second. And the first: I haven't seen any good direct evidence that the sisters are running a feminization scheme.

 

[misseva88]

I'm not sure if there are any people downloading older parts of the running stories from the opening post, but up until today we've had most chapters still divided in multiple parts. I've finally streamlined that, so rather than having to download 9 parts for chapter 23 of Mirror, I've now accumulated all of them in one file. Hopefully that helps people joining us late in reading the stories. I'm also planning to have one file for the entire A Sweet Change story when that's wrapped up.

Also, the latest update to Mirror can be found

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.

 

[Alicia Mae]

We go back to motive, means and opportunity.

Motive: They want to make Daddy happy.
- I this is possible, but it's not a particularly strong motive. Generally, I don't feel as if we've had particularly strong characterization that the sisters are that devoted to their father. So I'd find such a "selfless" motive to be a bit unbelievable, but I can see how this kind of motive could work.

Means: Assuming they have access to daddy's checkbook, then the money part might be possible. I doubt their salon business is enough to fund the surgery, and paying off all the people involved in the conspiracy. However, the other part of the "means" is, how did they have all these contacts in the first place? They seem to have on speed dial a lot of crucial people for this plot to work.

Opportunity: And this is where it really falls apart for me: Based on this theory, this wasn't preplanned. The sisters decided to feminize Andrew after seeing that Nikos was interested. If that's the case, this means that shortly after that first meeting with Toska, they made connections with Seferi, Roan, Joanna, and others, not to mention the doctor, to pull this off. If Roan and James are just paid off actors, then Seferi needs to be involved.

So I feel there's a bit of a contradiction here. From an opportunity standpoint, the plot doesn't seem possible unless this was preplanned. Crucial things like Joanna initially drugging Elena during the Toska meeting, Nikos suggesting Andrew dress up, or how Seferi is involved in the plot seem to necessitate some plan involving feminizing Andrew from the start. But if that's the case, then that works against the motive, because there's no way the sister's could have anticipated Nikos being attracted to Elena.

And honestly, the more I think about it, the less Nikos' attraction to Elena makes sense to me, and the less it makes sense to me to be using Andrew specifically for this. Fine, let's say he's got a kink for transwomen. You're telling me (especially in a setting where the medical tech is this advanced), neither the daughters nor Nikos were able to find a single transwoman? If Nikos is "picky" about her physical appearance (which it almost doesn't seem as if he is), then he can afford to give her whatever surgeries she (and him) wants! This whole "woe is me, I'm so lonely" but fixating on Elena's looks is... weird.

Now, obviously a lot of feminization stories can have the issue of answering the question "why are we feminizing a man instead of finding a woman, or even a willing man"? And usually, that can have a reasonable answer of either:

- The person doing the feminization has the primary motive of doing the feminization. Hooking that person up with someone else is a byproduct, not the actual motive

Or

- They trust that the person they're feminizing is easier to control than an "outsider".

The main problem for me here is that the sisters simply haven't known Andrew long enough for the second. And the first: I haven't seen any good direct evidence that the sisters are running a feminization scheme.

Their motive goes beyond making Nikos happy. They grew up without a mom, and finally have one. This is an opportunity for them to make a lifelong dream come true. It’s alluded to several times in the story that they’re excited to have a mom.


The reason they’re feminizing Andrew specifically is because Nikos has feelings for him. This likely predates the feminization too. Nikos thinks Andrew would make a pretty woman, which is why he suggests it. Nikos may have tried dating trans women before, but just never felt a spark. Something about Elena is special to him, so that’s why it has to be Andrew.

I don’t think this story is going to have one big master villain who pre-planned everything from before the honeymoon even started. But the girls have had a keen interest in having a mom, and seem to genuinely enjoy femming her up. Most of the other characters have less means, motive and opportunity than this, so they’re still my front runners for pushing things further.

 

[Stevedore100]

We go back to motive, means and opportunity.

Motive: They want to make Daddy happy.
- I this is possible, but it's not a particularly strong motive. Generally, I don't feel as if we've had particularly strong characterization that the sisters are that devoted to their father. So I'd find such a "selfless" motive to be a bit unbelievable, but I can see how this kind of motive could work.

Means: Assuming they have access to daddy's checkbook, then the money part might be possible. I doubt their salon business is enough to fund the surgery, and paying off all the people involved in the conspiracy. However, the other part of the "means" is, how did they have all these contacts in the first place? They seem to have on speed dial a lot of crucial people for this plot to work.

Opportunity: And this is where it really falls apart for me: Based on this theory, this wasn't preplanned. The sisters decided to feminize Andrew after seeing that Nikos was interested. If that's the case, this means that shortly after that first meeting with Toska, they made connections with Seferi, Roan, Joanna, and others, not to mention the doctor, to pull this off. If Roan and James are just paid off actors, then Seferi needs to be involved.

So I feel there's a bit of a contradiction here. From an opportunity standpoint, the plot doesn't seem possible unless this was preplanned. Crucial things like Joanna initially drugging Elena during the Toska meeting, Nikos suggesting Andrew dress up, or how Seferi is involved in the plot seem to necessitate some plan involving feminizing Andrew from the start. But if that's the case, then that works against the motive, because there's no way the sister's could have anticipated Nikos being attracted to Elena.

And honestly, the more I think about it, the less Nikos' attraction to Elena makes sense to me, and the less it makes sense to me to be using Andrew specifically for this. Fine, let's say he's got a kink for transwomen. You're telling me (especially in a setting where the medical tech is this advanced), neither the daughters nor Nikos were able to find a single transwoman? If Nikos is "picky" about her physical appearance (which it almost doesn't seem as if he is), then he can afford to give her whatever surgeries she (and him) wants! This whole "woe is me, I'm so lonely" but fixating on Elena's looks is... weird.

Now, obviously a lot of feminization stories can have the issue of answering the question "why are we feminizing a man instead of finding a woman, or even a willing man"? And usually, that can have a reasonable answer of either:

- The person doing the feminization has the primary motive of doing the feminization. Hooking that person up with someone else is a byproduct, not the actual motive

Or

- They trust that the person they're feminizing is easier to control than an "outsider".

The main problem for me here is that the sisters simply haven't known Andrew long enough for the second. And the first: I haven't seen any good direct evidence that the sisters are running a feminization scheme.

I concur with this - the daughters seem pretty convinced even much later on, that it's all reversible.
The sequence, I think, is this: Andrew and Marina go in to meet the doc. James, at a most convenient moment, contacts Marina and she leaves. Andrew is drugged, sees Joanna (is she checking to make sure he is loopy?) and then meets doctor and agrees to surgery cornucopia. Elena and Marina are later shocked by extent of surgery.

Then later on, doc decided he can do dick job, tells Elena, she agrees and Marina confirms.
What happens between these two events to change their attitude? Is it just, hey, we are 98% there, why not the rest, or something more? As far as we know, Elena is out of it for most of the intervening time.

 

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