VN Ren'Py Mila AI [v1.2.9b] [aDDont]

[wildride69]

So this VN is over before it really got started it seems. It was going so well but as usual a few idiot eggs spoil a promising VN.

 

[aDDont]

So this VN is over before it really got started it seems. It was going so well but as usual a few idiot eggs spoil a promising VN.

I am still here, working on the next update, most of the content is still in the game. The great purge affected only "old" CGs that were made with 1.5 model (before april).
I hope this whole situation will only make the game better and won't lead to its demise

 

[Trooyan]

It doesn't show me any photo. the message "Image not found" is displayed in the upper corner. Some solution?

 

[aDDont]

It doesn't show me any photo. the message "Image not found" is displayed in the upper corner. Some solution?

https://f95zone.to/threads/mila-ai-v1-2-8b-addont.188775/post-13923524

A part of the images has been deleted. Will be fixed later.

 

[Meteorica]

So 1.2.8b is the "purged" version?
Is there a link to 1.2.7b before the purge?

 

[MrJoZocker]

MilaAI-1.2.8b have there are a lot of pictures missing....

 

[Ragnar]

Well first of all thank you everyone for warm words.
I may overreacted a bit, but anyway - I decided to delete almost all CGs and sprites, that was made with 1.5 model, because some people find them disturbing and I want to have a bare minimum problems with the laws as possible in our shady bussines. This so called "Great Purge" should also help with the repetitive questions about inconsistency of AI and so on. Everything that was deleted will be reworked in new style (the one you can see in previews).
The "arts" still won't have a "soul", but I don't know how to add it to a picture, sorry.

Why overreacting?
I already had a dispute about similar stuff with civitai. That time I lost some of my models (wet hair for example), which had nothing to do with the examples, that some people found disturbing. Some honorable citizen came to my page and started bombing it with reports, and that lead to a ban. The same thing could happen on patreon and that made me realize my position.
If so happen, that my ID somehow get leaked, and I will be caught redhanded making adult content - The court (in my country especialy) won't listen to my explanation about anime style and stuff. I can live with the risk being caught doing adult game. But being caught doing adult game with kids? No, thank you.
I have some strange perception of underage aparently. I may be wrong, but I believe that there is no way a person could determine with certantity another person's age if the second person is after the puberty. I already told that, but there are porn stars who look like they are 15, and there are 13 yo girls, who look like your mom. The only way to know is to put this person into their context. But again, court won't listen to my explanation.
That's why the Great Purge happen. Everything that looks at least slightly like "too much" should be gone.
With the new style I have much more control of the model, so I'm trying to "count heads" to set the right ratio, and make Mila about 1:7.5 which is considered adult ratio for women in drawing. So it should be "safe" by all means. But if it won't be enough and some people still will be so hurt that they start pushing some buttons here and there - I'll better drop this stuff out, strip my name from it and do something else. I have my family to feed, game making is just a hobby for me after all.
I can deal with hate about AI and sharing/swinging. But this? This is too much to ignore.

What'll happen next?
I probably will continue working on the ending of netorase route. But something is telling me, that the next update will be filled with questions about missing pictures and sprites. So maybe it will worth it to turn back and redo all of the missing stuff. But the problem is - it's 400 images. It's at least 2 sprints with no "new" content. Should I, or should not do it - I'll let my patrons decide.

Is it playable?
Yep. I'll add a link to the menu to jump over the "hole" after the great purge. But everything after the 1.2.5 version is still in the game (it's about 900 images, which is more than twice more then amount that was deleted), and it's the most juicy content. For those who don't like reading - you can literaly just start from the main action. If you encounter an error saying that there is some pictures missing just press ignore. Eventually you'll come to the 1.2.5 content and then everything should be fine.

Answers on comments

Well... I think I need at least a couple months more to finish it. But it depends on what my patrons will like more - expanding this story or making another one. Plus now I have more work with redoing all of the deleted pictures. Probably even more.

Yeah, my initial plan was to make Bob slowly grow as a dom in their relationship with Mila. But then I understood, that people start to feel bored - the pace is too slow. So I made a split with dom|sub routes for a change. And it's kinda hard to develop dom\sub relationship between two subs. That's why I dropped a bunch of hints on Bob's split personality, for example when Mila feel like she will be raped soon when teasing is went too far. And Bob is struggling to control himself being teased, because when he is aroused he behaves differently. Like an inner self of sorts or a "Shadow" personality by Jung. Half assed explanation - yeah, but I needed it for a good pace.
In Mila dom route Bob will remain himself.
So Bob and Mila are in superposition. Who they are depends on the player's choice

No - I tried once to translate it from my native language, and it was shitty too. So I dropped the idea. Characters, plot, dialogs - all of it is originally my idea. Well, as far as in principle it is possible to consider something "your" idea in this industry. It is difficult to think of something completely new

There are some 2-framed animations. Originaly I thought of using

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to make 9-frames animations, but they are too unstable to use and affect style too much. Another way is using the aftereffect (as in scene with Mila making HJ for Paul) but my patrons voted against it.

Thanks, I'll fix that in the next release

Thank you again I'll come again after I write a bit more content - don't want to bother with just a couple words

We don't anymore That was an "old" CGs and sprites. My plan was to redo it bit by bit, by now all of it is gone, and I'll remake it in one style later.

I like still images. There are more details in that, and they have their own appeal, I think.
But yeah we will be able to make clips eventually. The big question is about control, so I would say it's may be more than 10 years. And it will still need a lot of work from the human side.
The main advantage of the AI technology is that it will give a whole new experience to the player and the creators. First of all (for now) one person can make a lot of stuff according for their and their alone vision. I worked with amazing artist in the past who was making a complete garbage for me and my ideas, because it's always a perspective a view. And his perspective was far away from mine.
Next layer is to give a freedom to player, that we haven't exerienced yet - like the story will have borders, characters and plot. But player will be able to change it by his actions. Almost any action. I think this stuff will come soon (2-3 years).
Complete freedom won't work in my opinion - we have it in real life. But it's kinda boring isn't it?

It won't degrade bellow current level (it's impossible). After ten years, you can create exactly the same picture using the same models, prompt and seed. They don't learn on prompting, their training is a different process. And for now they only getting better, and generated pictures don't make it any worse.
AI is not a killer for artists. There is no "make something cool" button. it's a tool as any other, like computer, a brush, a camera or photoshop, for example. Artists will learn to use it, tweak it and control it. As a tool. And arts will grow in quantity and quality as a result. As it was after the first digital images were drawn. Or first digital photo was made.
Progress can't be stopped.
And it's wonderful.

You mean new version looks hotter than older one? Or you like "old" anime style more?

I deleted less than third of all images in game. The best stuff still there. I'll make a quick jump to the new content with a brief explanation of what happened inbetween, and fill the gap with new CGs eventually. It's not ruined. But it's damaged yeah)

I'll make it better, in new style)

Looks like it's still will be my first priority. Maybe a part of the old NTR route will drift to the netorase as an option, but I'm not sure yet. Rest assured
But I will be slowly reworking missing pictures and CGs too. Loyal and NTR paths will be reworked last though - looks like that was my patrons want, but voting is still in process.

I mean the new one but the anime isn't bad either. Maybe I'm biased bc I'm not interested in the blacked route nor the vanilla one.
Imo you can add a new route with a fem dom who trains and shares Mila or viceversa.

 

[Jah-Ith-Ber]

I really like the split routes on the neotarase route. I want Mila to be submissive to her husband but dominate to other men. You can see it with her internal dialogue no matter what route you pick that Mila only really seems comfortable completely letting herself go with her husband otherwise that fear of being raped or even just seen as an object kicks in (which I like the dichotomy that she wants to be treated sexually as an object but still recognized as a person) so this Sub/Dom split in her personality makes the most sense to me. She gets from other men what she can't get in her own relationship (dom them)

 

[Alexeinya112]

Pain, I liked the old sprite more. Probably wont play anymore but I wont say anything negative bc the game was interesting, good luck with your game dev.

 

[troll822]

As the proofreader for this game, I can confidently say that the dialogue is not AI-generated. I use AI in my work very rarely because it tends to spew out phony word salad. Once in a blue moon, it creates something correct, and I mean a sentence, not a whole paragraph.

I suggest playing the game, you won't be disappointed.

If the text is not AI, then I am a bit disappointed. I want an AI-game.
And... what are you even talking about? I have AI write short stories for me to read. Say, you want a decent 3000 words story in 4 parts about a witch in Japan in the Shogunate wars of the 17th century? The Ai can make you one. It won't be the best, but it will not be the worst either and as heck it won't be "a word salad".
You just have to be careful on how you construct your prompt and after a bit of trial and error you get the hung of it.

I don't mean to trash any developer here so I won't say names, but about 60% or so of the games I have played here that were not from professionals had worse sentence structure and in some cases, plot and consistency, from what current AI can make.
And that may even be generous which brings me back to: I trust AI-made dialogue more than I trust human-made dialogue from an over-worked person that does this as a hobby and may not have English as his or her native language.
IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION: I do not mean this developer is bad! I talk generally. For all I know this game may have the best dialogue ever written. But the majority of games? No. Please developers, give your scene scripts to the AI and have it turn what you have to dialogue.

 

[troll822]

Characters, plot, dialogs - all of it is originally my idea. Well, as far as in principle it is possible to consider something "your" idea in this industry. It is difficult to think of something completely new

Characters and plot should be from the creator, I fully agree with that.
But often (as I mentioned to another poster) dialogue by AI can be better.

Translation with google-translate or ChatGPT sucks from my own language too. To be honest, google-translate works better that ChatGPT 4 or 4o still. And even that is bad.

About the Purge, my view and suggestions:
I haven't played the game. If half of it is "missing images" or requires me to skip entire parts, it is a pain. A real pain. I would honestly prefer to download a "Fixed" game, in 3 months, than start, go ??? and then continue.

That said, my real suggestion is: "Whatever you do, to avoid all this spam about "Missing images!" that we see flooding this, and even bad reviews that will come from this, put a big, big banner in the first post, RIGHT over the download, not hidden in "read this" spoilers, that "A lot of images are missing and will be reworked. New content from XXX is still there for old users to continue."


That said and suggestion over, here's some more thoughts:
The reason I say "I am not particularly interested in this" is because I am not attracted to the girl. And the reason I am not attracted to the girl is... well, she looks a bit too young. No, not a Loli. I wouldn't be pushing buttons. I just like them with bigger breasts and all.
So, to be honest, I 100% support the purge-and-replace! option because if she looked younger than that in some pictures, I would be :/

EDIT: Example: 4th pic, 126_cafe_smirk from the previews. Too young looking; She looks 16 there. No, not the small breasts. She looks young.

 

[Saint Blackmoor]

If the text is not AI, then I am a bit disappointed. I want an AI-game.

We all have our opinions; hopefully, those opinions come from real-life experience, not from a grandiose ego.

I disagree with everything you said. At this time, AI is great for certain things, such as writing a travel brochure, instructions on how to assemble a dresser, or creating a soulless speech to be spoken by a soul politician.

From the first story written until now, it has been created by a human or humans.

AI is the wizard behind the curtain, the Cubic Zirconia of Literature. The soul of the story has been subtracted for expediency.

That is a very appropriate user name.

 

[troll822]

We all have our opinions; hopefully, those opinions come from real-life experience, not from a grandiose ego.

I disagree with everything you said. At this time, AI is great for certain things, such as writing a travel brochure, instructions on how to assemble a dresser, or creating a soulless speech to be spoken by a soul politician.

From the first story written until now, it has been created by a human or humans.

AI is the wizard behind the curtain, the Cubic Zirconia of Literature. The soul of the story has been subtracted for expediency.

That is a very appropriate user name.

I appreciate your perspective, but my experiences with AI have been quite different.
I regularly use AI to delve into historical facts, seek specific internet content, and even enhance my programming skills through its suggestions. Each interaction has not only expanded my knowledge but also improved my capabilities.
While AI may not replace the human touch in storytelling yet, it can certainly contribute unique and valuable elements that enrich the narrative experience, challenging the notion that AI-generated content lacks soul.

 

[lkjfedasl]

damn had to check and homie out here gutted this game =(

 

[Saint Blackmoor]

If the text is not AI, then I am a bit disappointed. I want an AI-game.
And... what are you even talking about? I have AI write short stories for me to read. Say, you want a decent 3000 words story in 4 parts about a witch in Japan in the Shogunate wars of the 17th century? The Ai can make you one. It won't be the best, but it will not be the worst either and as heck it won't be "a word salad".
You just have to be careful on how you construct your prompt and after a bit of trial and error you get the hung of it.

I don't mean to trash any developer here so I won't say names, but about 60% or so of the games I have played here that were not from professionals had worse sentence structure and in some cases, plot and consistency, from what current AI can make.
And that may even be generous which brings me back to: I trust AI-made dialogue more than I trust human-made dialogue from an over-worked person that does this as a hobby and may not have English as his or her native language.
IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION: I do not mean this developer is bad! I talk generally. For all I know this game may have the best dialogue ever written. But the majority of games? No. Please developers, give your scene scripts to the AI and have it turn what you have to dialogue.

I appreciate your perspective, but my experiences with AI have been quite different.
I regularly use AI to delve into historical facts, seek specific internet content, and even enhance my programming skills through its suggestions. Each interaction has not only expanded my knowledge but also improved my capabilities.
While AI may not replace the human touch in storytelling yet, it can certainly contribute unique and valuable elements that enrich the narrative experience, challenging the notion that AI-generated content lacks soul.

Thank you for making my point for me.
AI, as in the written word, is helpful in many ways. For example, your first post is the real Troll822, and the second is the AI troll822.
I know why you used AI for the second. It reeks of being insincere compared to the first. Meaning you don't believe what you're stating in the second one.
Take yourself back beneath the bridge, Troll.

Yeah, Yeah, deleted for off-topic.

 

[Xander Fields]

not sure if anyone said it she looks like the sister/housemate from taffytales

 

[spaceman696]

absolutely disgusting how some people look at Mila and see a underage child. all it takes is one person to ruin it for everyone else. and you know, the fact you see a child says more about you/YOUR mind then it does about anyone else. thanks for fucking up this great game. im glad i saved the older versions so i can appreciate the original story without flaws.

this is clearly a ntr game that has absolutely nothing to do with loli. im sorry dev has to put up with this bullshit. fuck cancel culture

 

[Nurikabe]

I am really enjoying this story. I want to send a special thank you to the dev for providing a free link to how he creates the CG. It is very informative and sheds light on something I have no experience with. The explanation was fantastic and it really shows how much work you put into this story. It also shows how generous you are in sharing files, your process, and the behind-the-scenes work that most devs hide behind paywalls or won't release at all. So many people think using AI CG means a shortcut and requires very little skill. Your work on Mila and the information you provide show exactly how much work it takes to make a high-quality CG despite using AI. Thank you for the tutorial and Mila AI.

 

[ding00000]

Yeah great game, i would even go as far as to say that the "great purge" was a positive for character consistency. I played both and after it the character art feels way more consistent. Keep up the good work.

 

[Kulman]

Why was the purge done? To be more consistent? Because otherwise I dont see anything wrong with the stuff. Had to dl it elsewhere as my game suddenly started having images missing... kinda weird to just suddenly pull the plug like that.

But rather than having this horrible buggy experience, if you want to change renders you should do it continually. Not just delete everything. As is I am giving 1/5 stars, sorry. Its unacceptable to be hit with images missing in half the content.

EDIT: okay looked back and apparently the girl is supposed to be looking underage? Have you checked half the games that are out here and released? This is very far from even being a loli, not to mention a questionable loli. Dev being a scaredy cat, oh well. I guess being a petite woman is illegal now.

EDIT2: frankly from what I played from the previous version, getting to the non purged content, I do like the new artstyle more. You just cannot expect new players to skip through an hour of "image missing" content to get there... when this gets remedied I will remove/change my review.